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[bhutocracy]

The Eros foundation which is our peak lobby group here and a helpful resource to those in need is launching themselves as a politcal party to campaign against the BS situation we find ourselves in at the moment where Family First and Nick Xenophon can hold the balance of power and we're looking at the most socially conservative internet push ever from Labor. Essentially it looks like censorship at ISP level is going to go ahead. And there are already calls for it to extend to all pornography not just X rated as well as gambling. This is our chance to fight back against the religous freaks that always seem to find a way to exert influence far out of proportion to their size and want to treat us all as though we're children. When they finally let up from ACTUALLY abusing children in churches they manage to abuse them by using them in arguments for censorship and abdicating all parental responsibility.

Regardless of whether you are left or right, liberal, labor, green or independant.. this is your chance to stand up and fight for your business, your industry and your freedoms. We can't afford to go the way or China or Iran and become the laughing stock of the western democracies.

Please seriously consider joining the party:
http://australiansexparty.org/

[$5 submissions]

Bump for free speech. I live in the Philippines and do I sympathize with your plight.

[quantum-x]

And being able to tell people you're a member of a sex party, hey :D

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by quantum-x

And being able to tell people you're a member of a sex party, hey :D

heheheheh at least they are not hypocritical about it. I can't even begin to list the 3rd world moralistic hypocrisies

[Machete_]

I support what they do and have done what I can to spread the word both in Australia and here in Europe - but why use a loaded name like "australiansexparty.org"

Seriously not a very smart name when you want the general public to support you, and take you seriously

[nekrom]

Eros can get fucked. They've never given a shit about online till now & they can revenue raise. Especially after last years comments by Robbie Swan in "The Australian", who stated that Aussies who run websites that aren't retailers have no conscience.

-N

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Bump for free speech. I live in the Philippines and do I sympathize with your plight.

Thanks mate, I only hope aussies aren't too apathetic to do something about it!

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by nekrom

Eros can get fucked. They've never given a shit about online till now & they can revenue raise. Especially after last years comments by Robbie Swan in "The Australian", who stated that Aussies who run websites that aren't retailers have no conscience.

-N

wow!
did he really say that? that is like undercutting 95% - or more - of the internet

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by quantum-x

And being able to tell people you're a member of a sex party, hey :D

Heheh, yeah it's a bit weird, but worth it. I'm very political and i've met with a lot of major figures especially within the Labor party so it's a little bit disconcerting to have a flippant name, but the cause is worth it.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

I support what they do and have done what I can to spread the word both in Australia and here in Europe - but why use a loaded name like "australiansexparty.org"

Seriously not a very smart name when you want the general public to support you, and take you seriously

I agree to a certain extent, something to do with "free speech" or "freedom" would have been more palatable for a lot of people in the same way that the pentecostal church party calls themselves "Family First", but there is a method to the madness, they're launching at Sexpo on November 20 and driving membership and votes from your average aussie isn't going to be as hard as you might think under that moniker, and it cuts through a lot of the BS, you know where they stand and what they're for. The votes are the most important thing, once they're in I don't really care if they're called "Dildo Patrol" when dealing with the more "respectable" parties if they represent our interests and will finally be an antidote to the religous nuts in a way the Greens don't really fulfill.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by nekrom

Eros can get fucked. They've never given a shit about online till now & they can revenue raise. Especially after last years comments by Robbie Swan in "The Australian", who stated that Aussies who run websites that aren't retailers have no conscience.

-N

As a normal webmaster off the street I was able to ring Fiona personally back in 2001 to get free legal and industry advice in setting up online. I can only speak from personal experience that they do care about online, how can they not? It's true they have traditionally spoken more for the retail side as that has been far bigger and they used to have a lot more interaction with the retail side of things. Your guy submitting TGP gals from their basement mostly weren't aware of them and didn't really think about hitting them up back in the day but that has changed.
The Australian story was in relation to Scott PB.. Who the article described as a "highly brazen, violent psychopath". The Brisbane industry WAS known for a time to have cornered the market on beast spam. You can't really expect Swan to publically support those guys. Also it wasn't a direct quote, he was obviously trying to distance the legit guys from the seedier side, which has had a lot of publicity in the area... you know.. the heroin.. the beast porn.. the great "internet hijacking" and the spamming that all came out of Brisbane when the nascent scene was a major world player (AKA the "good times" ;), and i'm not saying Scott PB had anything to do with that, more that the press has always publicised that side of the brisbane porners.). You can't really say they don't support online porn when they're warning about the death of the industry if these new laws come in.

[Adam_M]

I had the pleasure of meeting Fiona from Eros a few months ago and found her the be a very intelligent and motivated lady going awesome work in the Australia adult industry. What the Government in Australia is going with ISP filtering is against what around 80% of Australia voters want but the Government has no interest what the people want on this subject and seem very focused on pushing this through.

Fiona, Eros and the sexparty have our full support but if they fail blocking this bill then we will be forced to move on and Australia can say goodbye to our tax dollars forever!

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Heheh, yeah it's a bit weird, but worth it. I'm very political and i've met with a lot of major figures especially within the Labor party so it's a little bit disconcerting to have a flippant name, but the cause is worth it.

heh.. This probably makes it sound like i'm some kind of machiavelli, I mean met with more like dropping around to the local campaign office while someone is there to support the local member to get gladhandled like a political groupie, the next person they shake hands with is the local tuckshop lady kind of thing heh.

[stickyfingerz]

You guys gave up your guns without a fight. That was step 1. Good luck.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Humm I thought Religeous freaks were only an American problem.

Good to know my country is not the only one loaded with em. See if you people had guns it would keep zeolots paranoid enough to leave well enough alone. Here in the USA we keep these forces at bay and if they want to bring it, they get it. Thats the American way.

Now yer fucked.

SO you Aussies are gonna get shut down? Thats cool there will be plenty of guys around to replace you. Have fun serving shrimp to the tourists.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You guys gave up your guns without a fight. That was step 1. Good luck.

We don't have a real gun culture in Australia. You saying that is like me saying how stupid it is that everyone has a gun in America. It's completely ignorant of the history of the situation. Most people have never even seen a gun. Farmers still have their rifles. We never had the "Hey lets go boar hunting with an AK47" culture you guys do. So the majority of people supported the move. We don't have that insane militia fringe paranoid about the government and blowing up government buildings that you guys do. We've got a few kooks sure, especially up north.. but our cultures are really very different in this respect even though we are VERY VERY similar in a lot of others. We never had a civil war. We never had slaves... We never had that many reasons to really have a paranoid gun culture...

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You guys gave up your guns without a fight. That was step 1. Good luck.

we don't want no stinking guns man

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

You call having a gun "Culture"? HAhahahahah!

Bitches they are made to defend rights.

What you guys are experiencing are the first steps of oppression.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

The Eros foundation which is our peak lobby group here and a helpful resource to those in need is launching themselves as a politcal party to campaign against the BS situation we find ourselves in at the moment where Family First and Nick Xenophon can hold the balance of power and we're looking at the most socially conservative internet push ever from Labor. Essentially it looks like censorship at ISP level is going to go ahead. And there are already calls for it to extend to all pornography not just X rated as well as gambling. This is our chance to fight back against the religous freaks that always seem to find a way to exert influence far out of proportion to their size and want to treat us all as though we're children. When they finally let up from ACTUALLY abusing children in churches they manage to abuse them by using them in arguments for censorship and abdicating all parental responsibility.

Regardless of whether you are left or right, liberal, labor, green or independant.. this is your chance to stand up and fight for your business, your industry and your freedoms. We can't afford to go the way or China or Iran and become the laughing stock of the western democracies.

Please seriously consider joining the party:
http://australiansexparty.org/

just downloaded the membership form

[Peter Romero]

Originally Posted by Adam_WildCash

I had the pleasure of meeting Fiona from Eros a few months ago and found her the be a very intelligent and motivated lady going awesome work in the Australia adult industry. What the Government in Australia is going with ISP filtering is against what around 80% of Australia voters want but the Government has no interest what the people want on this subject and seem very focused on pushing this through.

Fiona, Eros and the sexparty have our full support but if they fail blocking this bill then we will be forced to move on and Australia can say goodbye to our tax dollars forever!

You can move in with us... In Greenbo... (from Forest Gump if you don't catch the reference)

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Adam_WildCash

I had the pleasure of meeting Fiona from Eros a few months ago and found her the be a very intelligent and motivated lady going awesome work in the Australia adult industry. What the Government in Australia is going with ISP filtering is against what around 80% of Australia voters want but the Government has no interest what the people want on this subject and seem very focused on pushing this through.

Fiona, Eros and the sexparty have our full support but if they fail blocking this bill then we will be forced to move on and Australia can say goodbye to our tax dollars forever!

Adam moving seems a little extreme... what about just using a VPN ?

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Humm I thought Religeous freaks were only an American problem.

Good to know my country is not the only one loaded with em. See if you people had guns it would keep zeolots paranoid enough to leave well enough alone. Here in the USA we keep these forces at bay and if they want to bring it, they get it. Thats the American way.

Now yer fucked.

SO you Aussies are gonna get shut down? Thats cool there will be plenty of guys around to replace you. Have fun serving shrimp to the tourists.

The problem arises when a minor party achieves balance of power, ie the house is that divided that one vote can make or break legislation. If the Greens had one just one more seat we'd be fine. We're far more irreligous than the US but the parlimentary system allows for occasional leverage of one's position far beyond the actual constituent representation. It works both ways though. If the Greens got a few more votes they'd be holding the government over the barrel for environmental legislation and decriminalising things.

No. Once again, you're completely ignorant. Guns wouldn't help anything. It's not our culture. In the places where they had the most guns when guns were legal, and the most "independant" culture, porn was the MOST censored. Hell you STILL can't see pussy in Queensland magazines. Not to mention you're ignorant of your own situation. If you think it's guns and not your first amendment rights keeping porn legal you're a fucking idiot. We don't have freedom of speech here, we don't have a Bill of Rights. We only have "inferred" freedom of speech. Thats something America got very right and that we implemented badly coming from the English legal system. We need a Bill of Rights, not guns. lol. You don't know how crazy you'd sound to an average Australian. We have organisations fighting against this and in many ways we streets ahead of you guys in the freedom stakes, just this is one of those quirks of our system than arises. So you have your guns, we have our legal weed, free to air nudity, every-beach-is-a-topless-beach policy and hookers. Personally I think we got the better end of the deal. If we had that much pent up that we went nuts over a nipple slip we'd probably have to go out and shoot guns ourselves. We only get upset when two guys hold a girl down and slap her with their cocks on a reality show and it's broadcast.

Australians have always had a disproportionately large chunk of the online adult business and thats not going to change legislation or not, so i'll keep the prawns for my own BBQ thanks.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Like I said its just a first step.

After your internet porn is gone and porn for that matter is gone, they will knock out the weed. After that say bye to the nude beaches, and well before that prostitution.

And all along the way you aint got nothing to put in thier face as a deterrant.

Bummer.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

You call having a gun "Culture"? HAhahahahah!

Bitches they are made to defend rights.

What you guys are experiencing are the first steps of oppression.

Gun culture ignoramous, gun culture. it's a term used to define gun politics within a country. We have a gun culture... you have a gun culture. They are different. Try reading or something.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Like I said its just a first step.

After your internet porn is gone and porn for that matter is gone, they will know out the weed. After that say bye to the nude beaches, and well before that prostitution.

And all along the way you aint got nothing to put in thier face as a deterrant.

Bummer.

This is what happens when you don't know WTF you're talking about. It's humourous listening to your crap I guess, and it's giving the thread bumpage so it's all good, but what you're saying is the equivalent of me saying "If guns were banned in America, Americans would be better off, I know for a fact given my experience in Australia" Ie total bullshit for the American situation.
We weren't founded by religous nuts, we'll always have far more natural and liberal attitudes to sex... It's part of our CULTURE even though our parliamentary system occasionally allows things like this to arise.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Gun culture ignoramous, gun culture. it's a term used to define gun politics within a country. We have a gun culture... you have a gun culture. They are different. Try reading or something.

So what your gun culture do? They can't own em, they can't sell em. What they do? Talk about guns now?

How do you people hunt? Use a bow and arrow or an aborgini blow gun with poison? Or the old fasioned way using a club?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

OH I know... Maybe ya throw StingRays at people?

[Bake]

Bump for goodness

[nekrom]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

As a normal webmaster off the street I was able to ring Fiona personally back in 2001 to get free legal and industry advice in setting up online. I can only speak from personal experience that they do care about online, how can they not? It's true they have traditionally spoken more for the retail side as that has been far bigger and they used to have a lot more interaction with the retail side of things. Your guy submitting TGP gals from their basement mostly weren't aware of them and didn't really think about hitting them up back in the day but that has changed.
The Australian story was in relation to Scott PB.. Who the article described as a "highly brazen, violent psychopath". The Brisbane industry WAS known for a time to have cornered the market on beast spam. You can't really expect Swan to publically support those guys. Also it wasn't a direct quote, he was obviously trying to distance the legit guys from the seedier side, which has had a lot of publicity in the area... you know.. the heroin.. the beast porn.. the great "internet hijacking" and the spamming that all came out of Brisbane when the nascent scene was a major world player (AKA the "good times" ;), and i'm not saying Scott PB had anything to do with that, more that the press has always publicised that side of the brisbane porners.). You can't really say they don't support online porn when they're warning about the death of the industry if these new laws come in.

While I understand where you're coming from, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. From when I started in 2000 until now I can't think of anything Eros has done to support online adult, offline retail sure can't deny that.

It all comes across to me as a case of band wagoning. If you want to support a group that are already and have been fighting this for quite a while, then donate to stopthecleanfeed or nocleanfeed.

-N

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

So what your gun culture do? They can't own em, they can't sell em. What they do? Talk about guns now?

How do you people hunt? Use a bow and arrow or an aborgini blow gun with poison? Or the old fasioned way using a club?

You hunt with a rifle. You got to the shooting range to shoot pistols. I can go out and get a rifle to hunt with if I want. But we really don't have a hunting culture in Australia... not like the states anyways. You won't see a politician wearing an orange vest shootin' roo's to show how "tough" he is lol. Only 5% of people live in the bush where you can actually find something to hunt. So whilst it's bigger there, it's not really part of our overall culture and although we do tend to concentrate on the outback in movies it's romanticising things. The overwhelming majority of people live in urban areas and don't really give a shit. They don't want handguns or ak47's.
That said I did grow up around shotguns and rifles because my grandfather was a farmer and i've shot my share of birds on the farm with an air rifle lol. Thats the difference.. It's more one of need.. If you're a farmer theres no problems at all having a rifle. It's just about the lack of need for a nutjob in a hirise in sydney to have 3 M-16's and a sniper rifle. Once again.. we've never had that kind of gun culture. I've NEVER seen a handgun.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by nekrom

While I understand where you're coming from, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. From when I started in 2000 until now I can't think of anything Eros has done to support online adult, offline retail sure can't deny that.

It all comes across to me as a case of band wagoning. If you want to support a group that are already and have been fighting this for quite a while, then donate to stopthecleanfeed or nocleanfeed.

-N

Well, you have to put your hand up for help. I have and they did. Can't really blame them if no one is making a noise to them and they're taking care of the only people that are. But I can understand where you're coming from and can totally agree to disagree. I just think webmasters have considered themselves global and independent from the local industry which hasn't helped us help ourselves.

I already support Electronic Frontiers. I emailed them just last week.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Well aside from my candor and joking, I hope that you guys can put a stop to whats happening over there.

You Aussie's make alot of cool shit

[Aka_Bluey]

It could be said, we could use a voice at the political level. With it reported mr krud and his labor mates, are going to go a head, with this censorship at ISP level.

Can not see the greens or family first helping adult webmasters out in Australia. If this new party is going to help our online industry out, it has to be all good.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

just downloaded the membership form

Cool I hope you follow through! I'm joining up today too, got the form printed out and signed.. I just have to scan it and email it to them..

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well aside from my candor and joking, I hope that you guys can put a stop to whats happening over there.

You Aussie's make alot of cool shit

heh thanks for the bumps

[spooky181]

How does this affect Australian webmasters? I assume we all have our sites hosted overseas so they can still keep running.

I do a lot of submitting, can they possibly block every single submit page etc etc

[born4porn]

thanks for the info! I have a lot of aussie webmasters at my forum, and just posted the info!

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by spooky181

How does this affect Australian webmasters? I assume we all have our sites hosted overseas so they can still keep running.

I do a lot of submitting, can they possibly block every single submit page etc etc

TBH i'm less concerned about being able to access our own sites than the principle of it. I'm sure there will be ways around the blocking for webmasters as more sophisticated internet users. But it's treating all the adults in Australia as though they are children or sicko's and that only the moral police truly know what is right for us that matters. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. 80% of us are against it and they're never going to get rid of x rated porn. There just isn't the public support for it. Hell 90% of the videos in your local porn shop are illegal but they leave them well enough alone most of the time because frankly the general public loves porn and we doesn't respect authority and don't like wowserism. But for most people, especially the less technologically savvy it really is going to restrict their freedom to access information if it goes ahead, and we shouldn't have to skirt around it as though we're criminals.. When the only reason it's going through is BULLSHIT wacko religious nuts pushing their agendas with whatever factions within the parties.. It's currently in trials.

[Dirty Dane]

Bump for the aussies!

[spooky181]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

TBH i'm less concerned about being able to access our own sites than the principle of it. I'm sure there will be ways around the blocking for webmasters as more sophisticated internet users. But it's treating all the adults in Australia as though they are children or sicko's and that only the moral police truly know what is right for us that matters. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. 80% of us are against it and they're never going to get rid of x rated porn. There just isn't the public support for it. Hell 90% of the videos in your local porn shop are illegal but they leave them well enough alone most of the time because frankly the general public loves porn and we doesn't respect authority and don't like wowserism. But for most people, especially the less technologically savvy it really is going to restrict their freedom to access information if it goes ahead, and we shouldn't have to skirt around it as though we're criminals.. When the only reason it's going through is BULLSHIT wacko religious nuts pushing their agendas with whatever factions within the parties.. It's currently in trials.

How do we get around it? I can build websites etc but I wouldn't have a clue how to bypass an IPS block?

[global-girl]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

And there are already calls for it to extend to all pornography not just X rated as well as gambling.

And this from the country where high stake gaming machines (pokies) are everywhere...

[thesexwax]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Bump for free speech. I live in the Philippines and do I sympathize with your plight.

Lols Sen. Legarda was looking for you.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by spooky181

How do we get around it? I can build websites etc but I wouldn't have a clue how to bypass an IPS block?

you cant bypass it no matter what you try

WE have the filter for CP in denmark, and you cant pass it

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

you cant bypass it no matter what you try

WE have the filter for CP in denmark, and you cant pass it

A VPN might do the trick. The filter won't be filtering P2P anwyays = mostly useless.

[Krusty]

Whoever called it the Australian sex party needs to be shot.

It doesn't take more than a few brain cells to realize its doomed from the start. Good idea though though under a slightly more appealing name maybe

[sexandcash]

100% with krusty...

Aussies know how to do it

[onwebcam]

Regardless of who the organization is that is bucking against this censorship everyone including non-Australians should support the effort in striking the block down. As several have said in this thread Australia is a very liberal culture and if they can get this block implemented there you can very well bet you'll be seeing it in a neighborhood near you. And guns aren't going to help you any when the religious freaks run for the voting booths.

[andy83]

bump for a country thats pretty near me. this needs more publicity

[Redmanthatcould]

Bump for human rights in Australia.

We can't have this be the new precedent.

[spooky181]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

A VPN might do the trick. The filter won't be filtering P2P anwyays = mostly useless.

Is that something our hosts will know how to give advice to setup??