How do you feel about tubes in 2014?

[SmutHammer]

Seems like so many more people are accepting of tubes and more and more programs are sending out full length videos and/or starting their own tube sites. I still see some people bitching about them and user uploads, honestly with so many people giving their content away there isn't even a need for user uploads anymore.

[TheSquealer]

No one that understands traffic and data is bitching about tubes.

[sandman!]

surfers want movies not pics overall so tubes will keep growing.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No one that understands traffic and data is bitching about tubes.

All those people would earn at least few times more if tubes were not invented.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

All those people would earn at least few times more if tubes were not invented.

My dad would be rich if he were Bill Gates.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Sly

My dad would be rich if he were Bill Gates.

That was spot-on!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Sly

My dad would be rich if he were Bill Gates.

Not correct analogy. My point is that even if these guys make money it does not mean they should not bitch, because they make less money than they would otherwise.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Seems like so many more people are accepting of tubes and more and more programs are sending out full length videos and/or starting their own tube sites. I still see some people bitching about them and user uploads, honestly with so many people giving their content away there isn't even a need for user uploads anymore.

Tubes are pretty much the only way to get massive and free traffic to a paysite these days.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Not correct analogy. My point is that even if these guys make money it does not mean they should not bitch, because they make less money than they would otherwise.

What is the marketing purpose of bitching about something that won't disappear?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Not correct analogy. My point is that even if these guys make money it does not mean they should not bitch, because they make less money than they would otherwise.

Unlike ever before, with the exception of the very early days,... high quality traffic is widely available to you cheaply, even free and in huge volumes. What you do with that opportunity is on you. ;)

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

What is the marketing purpose of bitching about something that won't disappear?

We are not speaking about bitching from marketing point of view. Maybe bitching to themselves. My point is that everybody in adult are not happy about tubes, they just adapted and accepted that they would make less money.
So they may not bitch but they know that it is not as good as it could have been without tubes. As simple as that.
Well there may be exceptions like manthief who implemented it on the grand scale first.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Unlike ever before, with the exception of the very early days,... high quality traffic is widely available to you cheaply, even free and in huge volumes. What you do with that opportunity is on you. ;)

Are you saying that traffic did not exist pre-tubes?
I would say it was even more available because back then people used to jump from site to site looking for something and nowadays they usually stick to their favorite tube.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

We are not speaking about bitching from marketing point of view. Maybe bitching to themselves. My point is that everybody in adult are not happy about tubes, they just adapted and accepted that they would make less money.
So they may not bitch but they know that it is not as good as it could have been without tubes. As simple as that.
Well there may be exceptions like manthief who implemented it on the grand scale first.

Most people I know that were successful pre-tubes are doing better than ever in the tube era. There is more traffic available than ever, more billing solutions than ever and more people getting online every single day.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Tubes are pretty much the only way to get massive and free traffic to a paysite these days.

Their conversion rates suck. But they would be the all mighty affiliates if they actually tried to sell memberships for sponsors. 2 minute or less clips with no money shots would make everyone way more money than the advertisements.

I understand you can't undo what is done, I was just curious to see how everyone feels about tubes now. Are there any paysite owners left who are sticking to their guns and won't do business with tube sites?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by geedub

Most people I know that were successful pre-tubes are doing better than ever in the tube era. There is more traffic available than ever, more billing solutions than ever and more people getting online every single day.

Those 2 are irrelevant to tubes. They would have existed even if tubes were not invented. Especially the last one.

Just take the average amount of what average person spends on memberships and you would see that it is way lower now than in pretube times.
The fact that some big players consolidated their revenue shares does not mean it is better.

100 people making 50$ each or 10 people making 150$ each and 90 people making 5$ each.
In total the pie got smaller, despite the fact that few big players got bigger slices.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Their conversion rates suck. But they would be the all mighty affiliates if they actually tried to sell memberships for sponsors. 2 minute or less clips with no money shots would make everyone way more money than the advertisements.

That is correct and somehow what I am trying to say. They would be better off, because surfers would not have free full movies and most of them would have to buy. As simple as that.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Are you saying that traffic did not exist pre-tubes?
I would say it was even more available because back then people used to jump from site to site looking for something and nowadays they usually stick to their favorite tube.

Do you really think i am saying "traffic did not exist...."?

I am saying that through a few brokers, you have now access to 75%+ of adult site traffic... and very very cheaply and even free. That was never the case in the past.

The past... is past. In business, you can only deal with what is,... not what was. You have every opportunity available to you to succeed. Lamenting what was, will not build your future.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Do you really think i am saying "traffic did not exist...."?

I am saying that through a few brokers, you have now access to 75%+ of adult site traffic... and very very cheaply and even free.

The past... is past. In business, you can only deal with what is,... not what was. You have every opportunity available to you to succeed. Lamenting what was, will not build your future.

You can also deal with What could be

My paysites came out while tubes were here. They made money and had much better ratio's than what you see most people posting. I can only imagine what they would have made before people had the (porn is free) mentality. What I'm doing now is looking to the future and trying to decide what way is best to do my sites.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

You can also deal with What could be

My paysites came out while tubes were here. They made money and had much better ratio's than what you see most people posting. I can only imagine what they would have made before people had the (porn is free) mentality. What I'm doing now is looking to the future and trying to decide what way is best to do my sites.

You can deal with what "could be" with respect to changing how users use the internet, if you are immersed in fantasy. Otherwise, businessmen have to deal with the facts as they are and as they are likely to be.

I have been in this biz since day 1. Porn was always free. Always. All porn was promoted with free content since the very beginning. End of story. All that has changed is how people use the net... not the "mentality" of people. People still pay for quality. The same arguments about "Free" was being made in 1998. In 2000. In 2002. In 2005. In 2009. In 2014.

I was looking today at a programs stats that has been around for a very long time, has old, shitty content and they are still doing crazy numbers and growing. Much of it from tube sites.

Your success or failure is on you... not the internet or users or any other boogeyman.

[SmutHammer]

When I put what could be, I meant it in looking to the future, not the past. Debating on putting my pay sites up as membership sites, or maybe looking into doing things in a whole new way.

Maybe to adapt in this industry means to give everything away for free and profit off of the traffic using adds. If all paysites did this what good would tubes be? Then again, I had good ratio's and sales, might be better to just keep doing things the old way.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by geedub

Most people I know that were successful pre-tubes are doing better than ever in the tube era. There is more traffic available than ever, more billing solutions than ever and more people getting online every single day.

Most people who i know are no longer in adult industry.Some people adapted,but most of people simply left.

[CurrentlySober]

i lick pubes...

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

The late Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) was right after all:





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[kane]

This industry has never seen a cliff that the people working in it won't push each other out of the way to jump off of.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I am saying that through a few brokers, you have now access to 75%+ of adult site traffic... and very very cheaply and even free.

What a load of bullshit.

When was the last time you checked ad spot prices?

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

...I have been in this biz since day 1. Porn was always free. Always. All porn was promoted with free content since the very beginning...

"FREE CONTENT" and samples are two different things.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No one that understands traffic and data is bitching about tubes.

No body who puts effort in this business is failing unless there new.

[Best-In-BC]

TGP's with self hosted galleries make 10x what they cost !

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

What a load of bullshit.

When was the last time you checked ad spot prices?

I buy a lot of traffic. I am well aware of prices, everywhere. If you're not retarded, you can buy ExoClick RON traffic for .015/click or LESS and dial it in to very good quality traffic. You can also submit 100+ videos a day and get free traffic. You can submit another programs content for free and get free traffic. There is a great deal that you can do to take full advantage of what is out there besides crying, whining and complaining.

The "bullshit" is when people keep chanting "its over, its over, its over" when its only getting better and better and better for actual businessmen. It's over for those who stand no chance running their own business anyway.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

...You can submit another programs content for free and get free traffic...

You just outed yourself.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Tdash

You just outed yourself.

Uhmm... yeah. Outed myself as someone who fully understands you can sign up to nasty dollars, download their 2000-ish videos and submit them, watermarked to a domain you own, loading the corresponding nasty dollars sites in an iframe and generate 2-3-4-5 joins a day within a month or two.... by doing that simple thing, over and over again.... obviously meaning "free traffic" as in there is no monetary cost to you.

You're very clever Sherlock.

You fucking idiots spend 100X more time thinking about why you can't,... than you do thinking about how you can... then you refuse to own the outcome.

[The Porn Nerd]

You have to have a "tube strategy" otherwise you're just throwing content away or pissing in the wind.

Also you can't compare "larger companies" succeeding or failing via tubes as an indicater of Industry health. Large companies have resources to throw at advertising and other promotions while smaller-to-midsize companies have a much tighter profit margin therefore less resources to throw at traffic. Example, how many companies can throw 50k a month at advertising?

See, that's what a lot of people in this thread do then turn around and go 'Tubes are great! We're adapting!" But that's not really the point because these large ad buys are not representative of the average affiliate or midsize Program.

Having said that there IS a way to make money with tubes but to think that's the only game in town, even now, is wrong. Tubes have to be a portion of your traffic campaign, not the whole shebang. UNLESS you have 20-50k a month to throw at advertising then I would suggest tubes-only lol.

Here's to the Winners.....:D

PS TheSquealer: would love to get some traffic-buying tips since I'm about to start that again.

[Sly]

This is one of the more amusing threads of late.

Thanks guys.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Uhmm... yeah. Outed myself as someone who fully understands you can sign up to nasty dollars, download their 2000-ish videos and submit them, watermarked to a domain you own, loading the corresponding nasty dollars sites in an iframe and generate 2-3-4-5 joins a day within a month or two.... by doing that simple thing, over and over again.... obviously meaning "free traffic" as in there is no monetary cost to you.

That's a good business model - if you don't mind being the sucker fish that swims alongside the whale all day eating plankton and barnacles off its' ass.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

That's a good business model - if you don't mind being the sucker fish that swims alongside the whale all day eating plankton and barnacles off its' ass.

I can name five guys off the top of my head with automated systems following that business model that clear five figures a month net. I can name another 10 that clear mid-four figures with the same business model.

What business model did you have that clears more with less work?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I buy a lot of traffic. I am well aware of prices, everywhere. If you're not retarded, you can buy ExoClick RON traffic for .015/click or LESS and dial it in to very good quality traffic. You can also submit 100+ videos a day and get free traffic. You can submit another programs content for free and get free traffic. There is a great deal that you can do to take full advantage of what is out there besides crying, whining and complaining.

The "bullshit" is when people keep chanting "its over, its over, its over" when its only getting better and better and better for actual businessmen. It's over for those who stand no chance running their own business anyway.

you got some stats to back it up, mr. big entrepreneur?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

That's a good business model - if you don't mind being the sucker fish that swims alongside the whale all day eating plankton and barnacles off its' ass.

You've already admitted to having completely failed at adult that reads parking meters for a living - your opinion on those that actually make money and how in this biz, doesn't count.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by Sly

I can name five guys off the top of my head with automated systems following that business model that clear five figures a month net. I can name another 10 that clear mid-four figures with the same business model.

What business model did you have that clears more with less work?

Yeah, money is lying on the ground and everyone around you is so successful that you are slaving away as a minimum wage affiliate manager for TopBucks

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

you got some stats to back it up, mr. big entrepreneur?

How about this you fucking loser.... For once in your life, fully commit to something... To learning and to making it work ... To sticking it out no matter how tough it is and how many setbacks you have and ultimately becoming an expert at it. Your problem ....... Is you.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Yeah, money is lying on the ground and everyone around you is so successful that you are slaving away as a minimum wage affiliate manager for TopBucks

It's true. I haven't yet gotten lucky like some of my friends. Not sure why that is.

Advice anyone? How can I get lucky?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How about this you fucking loser.... For once in your life, fully commit to something... To learning and to making it work and ultimately becoming an expert at it. Your problem ....... Is you.

So you can't back it up.

It's okay, no need to get so butthurt.

[TheSquealer]

The secret to making money in any biz is clearly to just sit around and bitch about those who do.

[30SalesPlus]

Tubes have done a great job of consolidating the traffic and therefore makes it much easier to acquire. I know for many the idea of spending money to make money and actually having to work for many is a foreign concept because it was goldrush for so long but there's still plenty to made just takes more then some free sponsor content and few hours submitting galleries.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

So you can't back it up.

It's okay, no need to get so butthurt.

Here's the thing... You guys will always be poor, you will always have a story and you will always have something else to blame. Your existence means nothing to me other than to serve as a reminder of how easily someone can either choose to fail or succeed. Get a windows vps, register some short / brandable domains, download sponsor content, watermark it and use TSS to submit. Or is that too much work for you? You'd rather be on gfy bitching about how your failures are not your fault? Or so you want to make stable money which you can grow from?

Are you really too fucking stupid to realize that almost all tube videos are watermarked for a reason? People just spend obscene amounts of time and computing power doing it for fun?

[30SalesPlus]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The secret to making money in any biz is clearly to just sit around and bitch about those who do.

You would think so around here! LOL Also, I think you get bonus pay if waste your day hunting down whois records and making screen shots of their stuff. I really need to learn how that is making bank for them.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Yeah, money is lying on the ground and everyone around you is so successful that you are slaving away as a minimum wage affiliate manager for TopBucks

and what is it that YOU do?

you're a complete unknown by the business people in adult. your singular claim to fame is GFY troll. how's that pay?

[signupdamnit]

Like I said I now make good money with the tubes.....by selling dating and cams. If the paysites want to reduce their profit margins to 1/10th or even 1/50th of what they used to be I guess it's their choice although I hardly think it's good business. But it's no longer any of my business. Good luck to the paysites working with the tubes! I hope you become filthy rich!

[TheSquealer]

I'm off to the gym for a couple hrs. Then have a long lunch with my gf... Then I'll spend about an hour going through my stats, then I'll set up some new media buy campaigns (maybe around 10) which will take about 30 minutes... Then I'll play battlefield 3 for a few hours... Then go back to the gym, primarily out of boredom and do cardio... Then I'll fuck off the rest of the night. Wake up.... Repeat. And that's how I make a very good living as sly knows. You can enjoy your loser bitch fest.... Or you can bust your ass, specialize, become an expert in some aspect of the biz.... work hard, grow, learn all the tricks and eventually learn how to work smarter, not harder and then not really have to work at all.

If you are in this industry and can't make a very comfortable living then you are not meant to be self employed.... you are meant to be an employee... It's as simple as that. You make your choice with every excuse you serve up.

Enjoy

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I'm off to the gym for a couple hrs. Then have a long lunch with my gf... Then I'll spend about an hour going through my stats, then I'll set up some new media buy campaigns (maybe around 10) which will take about 30 minutes... Then I'll play battlefield 3 for a few hours... Then go back to the gym, primarily out of boredom and do cardio... Then I'll fuck off the rest of the night. Wake up.... Repeat. And that's how I make a very good living as sly knows. You can enjoy your loser bitch fest.... Or you can bust your ass, specialize, become an expert in some aspect of the biz.... work hard, grow, learn all the tricks and eventually learn how to work smarter, not harder and then not really have to work at all.

If you are in this industry and can't make a very comfortable living then you are not meant to be self employed.... you are meant to be an employee... It's as simple as that. You make your choice with every excuse you serve up.

Enjoy

Contact me via ICQ someday so we can discuss these ad buys. Oh, and Battlefield 3, too. LOL

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

That's a good business model - if you don't mind being the sucker fish that swims alongside the whale all day eating plankton and barnacles off its' ass.

Originally Posted by Sly

I can name five guys off the top of my head with automated systems following that business model that clear five figures a month net. I can name another 10 that clear mid-four figures with the same business model.

What business model did you have that clears more with less work?

Do you actually think there's affiliates out there making more than Peter Acworth?