.XXX domain extension goes to arbitration - GoFuckYourself.com

Walter Gropius · 06-15-2009, 01:43 PM

Top level .XXX domain extension to go to arbitration in late September:

http://www.thedomains.com/2009/06/15...o-arbitration/

There's probably been a million polls before but how does everyone feel - for or against? I can see both sides to it but I'd probably vote against.

mikesinner · 06-15-2009, 01:45 PM

It will never happen.

polish_aristocrat · 06-15-2009, 01:50 PM

there has been NUMEROUS (as in 50+) threads about this issue in the past and 95% of the webmasters were definitely against it

there has been also threads discussing the arbitration process, which - if I remember right- is something unusual, and not really made used of normally. It is not certain if that "Arbitration panel" can really reverse the decision of the ICANN Board which declined this application.

having said that, per the new ICANN rules introduced around one year ago, it will be much easier to apply and have new top level domains accepted in the near future, so it increases the chances that sooner or later this .xxx domain will be approved. ICM probably has its reasons to try to just reverse the old rejection instead of waiting and applying under the new rules. Under the new rules, there might be other organisations/companies who could submit their own application for .xxx, and if they paid more than ICM, than they'd get the extension.

This comes from someone who has been following tis issue carefully for around 5 years.

jmcb420 · 06-15-2009, 01:52 PM

They've been trying that for quite some time now. I dont think it'll ever happen and I hope it dosen't happen, either.

Barefootsies · 06-15-2009, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

This comes from someone who has been following tis issue carefully for around 5 years.

Domain Diva · 06-15-2009, 02:05 PM

For sure it will happen, just a matter of when.....million dollars profits are waiting for those involved.

Its all about $$$$$ and every extension release always gets speculators buying.

Barefootsies · 06-15-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberClaire

For sure it will happen, just a matter of when.....million dollars profits are waiting for those involved.

Its all about $$$$$ and every extension release always gets speculators buying.

It's about money alright.

The shithead/s behind it are going to push for the triple X ghetto once approved.

pornguy · 06-15-2009, 02:30 PM

NEVER say Never. Anything can happen and it usually does.

Walter Gropius · 06-15-2009, 02:37 PM

I think CyberClaire is right - money is going to be the decisive factor, it always is. Just think how many domain monkeys are sitting and waiting to register every adult keyword under the sun on the .XXX extension - there's millions to be made.

Titan · 06-15-2009, 03:02 PM

Any change begets unpredictability and those with the most have the most to lose. So can't say i'm happy about it

HandballJim · 06-15-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter Gropius

I think CyberClaire is right - money is going to be the decisive factor, it always is. Just think how many domain monkeys are sitting and waiting to register every adult keyword under the sun on the .XXX extension - there's millions to be made.

I don't think money is the factor here, because .XXX is only going to be good for the adult market. With the other extensions you have an unlimited market. Plus domains are cheap to register at the moment.

I feel we have too many extensions at the moment and the .com has been watered down a lot. Also nowadays you need to spend a lot of money for no reason due to the other extensions to protect your trademark. I think all these .biz and .info, etc. are worthless, not sure about you guys...but I never typed in a .biz or .info or a .us.

tony286 · 06-15-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandballJim

I don't think money is the factor here, because .XXX is only going to be good for the adult market. With the other extensions you have an unlimited market. Plus domains are cheap to register at the moment.

I feel we have too many extensions at the moment and the .com has been watered down a lot. Also nowadays you need to spend a lot of money for no reason due to the other extensions to protect your trademark. I think all these .biz and .info, etc. are worthless, not sure about you guys...but I never typed in a .biz or .info or a .us.

yeah it will be great when they filter the domain off the net.

Domain Diva · 06-15-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandballJim

I don't think money is the factor here, because .XXX is only going to be good for the adult market. With the other extensions you have an unlimited market. Plus domains are cheap to register at the moment.
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Some people have invested big bucks to push this extension and they are domain people and speculators....so you can be sure its a $$$$ mission

Dont expect them to sell for $7.99 registration and normal renew fees....these will have high prices for sure , just like premium .tv did.

Regarding the agenda to make all adult sites .xxx the norm for filtering , l dont think that will ever happen. It was mentioned but l think only to make it look like they could have a real world purpose and that .xxx had maybe some value at a later date.

Just my

Pleasurepays · 06-15-2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandballJim

I don't think money is the factor here, because .XXX is only going to be good for the adult market. With the other extensions you have an unlimited market. Plus domains are cheap to register at the moment.

I feel we have too many extensions at the moment and the .com has been watered down a lot. Also nowadays you need to spend a lot of money for no reason due to the other extensions to protect your trademark. I think all these .biz and .info, etc. are worthless, not sure about you guys...but I never typed in a .biz or .info or a .us.

its most likely going to happen eventually. ICAAN has their own criteria however.. i.e. "substantial support in the related community" etc which he will never prove. but then again, he might given the fact that this industry is full of anti social retards who think its their god given right to do anything they want and no one can stop them and are very much like herding cats if there was intent to prove otherwise.

this industry, being as backwards as it is, turned this into an "oh my god, the government is going to rope off the internet" but .xxx is nothing but a tld and someone is applying to ICAAN for the rights to be the one who owns it. many many many new tlds have came into existence since .xxx was proposed.

ICAAN has made significant changes to how TLD's would come into existence and opened the flood gates to anyone who has the money to apply. it one of those issues that made it painfully clear how fucked up and backwards they are, how poorly reasoned their decisions are etc.

.xxx will eventually make it most likely. its just going to be another tld like .eco or whatever. it has ZERO connection to the notion of an internet "red light district" as has been the fear/concern. its about money. he will get to set the registration fee and make that profit just as Verisign makes 7.00+ from each .com registered and 3.00+ for each .net. He will probably want 50.00+ for each registration knowing that 1000's will still go for it.

Barefootsies · 06-15-2009, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberClaire

Dont expect them to sell for $7.99 registration and normal renew fees....these will have high prices for sure , just like premium .tv did.

Regarding the agenda to make all adult sites .xxx the norm for filtering , l dont think that will ever happen. It was mentioned but l think only to make it look like they could have a real world purpose and that .xxx had maybe some value at a later date.

Their proposal already said something about charging $75 per.

Also, unless you hold a place in the government/ICANN, there is nothing in place to stop a mandate in the future for all porn to be on that TLD. Then after that mandate, ISP's blokc that TLD.

LoveSandra · 06-16-2009, 12:10 AM

Small chance from my point of view.

buyandsell · 06-16-2009, 04:46 AM

they just keep trying and trying I wonder whos behind it

Allformyspace · 06-16-2009, 05:06 AM

Its been in the air forever and will never happen.

FightThisPatent · 06-16-2009, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberClaire

Dont expect them to sell for $7.99 registration and normal renew fees....these will have high prices for sure , just like premium .tv did.

ICM, the company that would be the registrar for .XXX, has said in the past, they would charge around $75/domain per year.

the "premium" domains would go for much higher (tens of thousands), much like they did with .tv

out of the $75/domain, $10/domain will go to IFFOR... a regulatory organization created by ICM that will have rules on how you conduct your business with the .XXX TLD.

IFFOR will be controlled by a board that will be made up of anti-porn/anti-adult members, of which the adult industry will have 1 board seat.

One of the rules, is that you must use ICRA labeling on .XXX , AS WELL AS ON YOUR .COM

Some use ICRA voluntarily, others also use ASACP's RTA. But IFFOR will be REQUIRING you to do this and other things.

This .XXX is more than just a landgrab.

Fight the grabby grabby!

FightThisPatent · 06-16-2009, 06:44 AM

AVN converage: http://business.avn.com/articles/35590.html

Arbitration Over .XXX gTLD Set for September
Concern over code of conduct terms in proposal
By Edward Duncan
06/15/2009

PALM BEACH, Fla. ? Still seeking to push through .XXX as a global top-level domain, ICM Registry?s proposal is set for arbitration in September.

According to The Domains, ICM Registry, which has already reportedly spent more than $3 million in legal fees alone chasing the domain, has asked for a ruling from a three-judge panel.

ICM claims it has met all criteria asked for by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, dating back to its original December 2003 application to oversee .XXX registry. The company has said it has hundreds of documents numbering more than 1,000 pages to justify the application and also claims the actions of ICANN have been improper.

The application for the .XXX was rejected by ICANN for a third time in March 2007. In January of this year, ICM filed briefs alleging ICANN?s rejection was arbitrary.

Despite ICM's claims of mass adult industry support and waiting list of those wanting to register websites under .XXX, other parties in adult entertainment and the mainstream have voiced concern over the establishment of a .XXX domain name, along with guidelines in an adult website code of conduct found in the proposal related to the Toronto, Canada-based International Foundation for Online Responsibility, with which ICM Chair and President Stuart Lawley and the company are affiliated. ICM has said IFFOR would be funded through website registering with the triple-X domain.

"There is some serious doubt about the alleged 1,000 adult webmasters that Lawley claims that have written in for support for .XXX," said Brandon Shalton of Internet activist site FightThePatent.com in an e-mail.

"What the judges may not see about the supposed 1,000 webmasters in adult and the letters of 'support' dating back years is that companies like Hustler reversed their support," he continued. "These are serious issues towards constituency that I believe is the key issue for this application."

While ICM has fully followed procedure, Shalton says the application proposal's inclusion of IFFOR ruling on adult website operations is of serious concern.

It's been suggested a longstanding organization such as the Free Speech Coalition should be the body to oversee a mutually agreed-upon adult site code of conduct, rather than a suddenly created third party.

Meanwhile, Lawley and ICM Registry are not about to back down on their end after all the years of effort.

The arbitration will be heard in Washington, D.C., by two American judges and another from Europe.

For more on ICM, ICANN and the .XXX domain, view the AVN.com news archives.

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polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	there has been NUMEROUS (as in 50+) threads about this issue in the past and 95% of the webmasters were definitely against it there has been also threads discussing the arbitration process, which - if I remember right- is something unusual, and not really made used of normally. It is not certain if that "Arbitration panel" can really reverse the decision of the ICANN Board which declined this application. having said that, per the new ICANN rules introduced around one year ago, it will be much easier to apply and have new top level domains accepted in the near future, so it increases the chances that sooner or later this .xxx domain will be approved. ICM probably has its reasons to try to just reverse the old rejection instead of waiting and applying under the new rules. Under the new rules, there might be other organisations/companies who could submit their own application for .xxx, and if they paid more than ICM, than they'd get the extension. This comes from someone who has been following tis issue carefully for around 5 years. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

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Domain Diva Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK/USA/Canada ICQ : 494318698 Email:[email protected] Posts: 10,180	For sure it will happen, just a matter of when.....million dollars profits are waiting for those involved. Its all about $$$$$ and every extension release always gets speculators buying. __________________ Cams-Tube-Dating Domains Available At Trade Prices ! Domains For Sale ICQ:494318698

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Walter Gropius Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 397	I think CyberClaire is right - money is going to be the decisive factor, it always is. Just think how many domain monkeys are sitting and waiting to register every adult keyword under the sun on the .XXX extension - there's millions to be made. __________________ Adulterate \| Porn Legends \| Classic Porno \| Porn Blog ICQ: 433306197

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FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	AVN converage: http://business.avn.com/articles/35590.html Arbitration Over .XXX gTLD Set for September Concern over code of conduct terms in proposal By Edward Duncan 06/15/2009 PALM BEACH, Fla. ? Still seeking to push through .XXX as a global top-level domain, ICM Registry?s proposal is set for arbitration in September. According to The Domains, ICM Registry, which has already reportedly spent more than $3 million in legal fees alone chasing the domain, has asked for a ruling from a three-judge panel. ICM claims it has met all criteria asked for by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, dating back to its original December 2003 application to oversee .XXX registry. The company has said it has hundreds of documents numbering more than 1,000 pages to justify the application and also claims the actions of ICANN have been improper. The application for the .XXX was rejected by ICANN for a third time in March 2007. In January of this year, ICM filed briefs alleging ICANN?s rejection was arbitrary. Despite ICM's claims of mass adult industry support and waiting list of those wanting to register websites under .XXX, other parties in adult entertainment and the mainstream have voiced concern over the establishment of a .XXX domain name, along with guidelines in an adult website code of conduct found in the proposal related to the Toronto, Canada-based International Foundation for Online Responsibility, with which ICM Chair and President Stuart Lawley and the company are affiliated. ICM has said IFFOR would be funded through website registering with the triple-X domain. "There is some serious doubt about the alleged 1,000 adult webmasters that Lawley claims that have written in for support for .XXX," said Brandon Shalton of Internet activist site FightThePatent.com in an e-mail. "What the judges may not see about the supposed 1,000 webmasters in adult and the letters of 'support' dating back years is that companies like Hustler reversed their support," he continued. "These are serious issues towards constituency that I believe is the key issue for this application." While ICM has fully followed procedure, Shalton says the application proposal's inclusion of IFFOR ruling on adult website operations is of serious concern. It's been suggested a longstanding organization such as the Free Speech Coalition should be the body to oversee a mutually agreed-upon adult site code of conduct, rather than a suddenly created third party. Meanwhile, Lawley and ICM Registry are not about to back down on their end after all the years of effort. The arbitration will be heard in Washington, D.C., by two American judges and another from Europe. For more on ICM, ICANN and the .XXX domain, view the AVN.com news archives. __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957