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gleem · 07-15-2009, 10:44 AM

wow, good for you! wish I had the time to do more than C&D's

TheDoc · 07-15-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Congrats on doing this and having it work out. I do have to say it's always sad to see the big Adult power houses that have shit loads of money for lawyers never do anything on the piracy end. Yet it always seems to be left for the little guys to do the grunt work that actually changes things.

If nothing else, I'm sure people will think twice when you send them a C&D.

I know a couple of big companies that did all the research for this, and backed out. They had very little to no case. But don't count everyone out.

More people are pissed at the law... but blame a tube.

The WP Board guys straight up, stole, uploaded, stored, charged for access, etc content. It would be like a paysite stealing content, making money on it, and not listening to your requests to take it down. While they moved around to keep it up. And they are American.

It would be a slam dunk win for anyone.

Nice to see that we don't have to go after the big guys though. The smaller targets can actually be rather profitable.

WarChild · 07-15-2009, 11:24 AM

Just being a flat out pirate and thief is one level of stupidity, but to go as far as to completely ignore C&Ds and DMCA requests is just utter insanity.
Sounds like they got what they deserved.

davecummings · 07-15-2009, 02:13 PM

JimmyStephans ROCKS!!!!!!!

tony286 · 07-15-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know a couple of big companies that did all the research for this, and backed out. They had very little to no case. But don't count everyone out.

More people are pissed at the law... but blame a tube.

The WP Board guys straight up, stole, uploaded, stored, charged for access, etc content. It would be like a paysite stealing content, making money on it, and not listening to your requests to take it down. While they moved around to keep it up. And they are American.

It would be a slam dunk win for anyone.

Nice to see that we don't have to go after the big guys though. The smaller targets can actually be rather profitable.

Well he had a case and won maybe they just didnt want to spend the money. Its hard to take a stand.

Dirty D · 07-15-2009, 04:28 PM

I like this guy!

TheDoc · 07-15-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Well he had a case and won maybe they just didnt want to spend the money. Its hard to take a stand.

His situation is very different.

The people he went after didn't respond to notices, could be proven that they did the uploads, and then owned and operated within the United States while clearly trying to hide it by moving the hosting.

Adult companies have sued for Copyright before, you just need to have your ducks in a row or be counter sued. If you have a tight case like this, go for it.

But for the rest of our industry and piracy tubes, many respond to take down notices. That really hurts our efforts, they are following the law.

The rest aren't located in America, or the corporation isn't and we have no legal ability to prove the owner is American. They are 'employees' with those Companies at that, making it even harder.

Just my take at least.

gideongallery · 07-15-2009, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know a couple of big companies that did all the research for this, and backed out. They had very little to no case. But don't count everyone out.

More people are pissed at the law... but blame a tube.

The WP Board guys straight up, stole, uploaded, stored, charged for access, etc content. It would be like a paysite stealing content, making money on it, and not listening to your requests to take it down. While they moved around to keep it up. And they are American.

It would be a slam dunk win for anyone.

Nice to see that we don't have to go after the big guys though. The smaller targets can actually be rather profitable.

exactly he had no "loophole" fair use the second he ignored the DMCA, he was american and therefore governed by that law.

the uploaders assuming they were not passed the take down request could have argued ignorance, or belief that their actions were covered by fair use. (well except for guy who worked for a media company) but obviously didn't want the embarrassment of a trial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

His situation is very different.

The people he went after didn't respond to notices, could be proven that they did the uploads, and then owned and operated within the United States while clearly trying to hide it by moving the hosting.

Adult companies have sued for Copyright before, you just need to have your ducks in a row or be counter sued. If you have a tight case like this, go for it.

But for the rest of our industry and piracy tubes, many respond to take down notices. That really hurts our efforts, they are following the law.

The rest aren't located in America, or the corporation isn't and we have no legal ability to prove the owner is American. They are 'employees' with those Companies at that, making it even harder.

Just my take at least.

this would not have worked in canada for example, the actions he described would violate PEPIDA and he would face fines of up to 10k per piece of information he collected.

privacy doesn't mean a lot in the states, since 911.

davecummings · 07-15-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrrfectVideo

Thanks for the info Dave, how are you?

Cool, thanks -- just miss the good ol' days when we all shot a lot of porn; now days, it's not as worth it financially.

tobephoto · 07-16-2009, 01:08 AM

Ye sir...sir

TidalWave · 07-16-2009, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

His situation is very different.

The people he went after didn't respond to notices, could be proven that they did the uploads, and then owned and operated within the United States while clearly trying to hide it by moving the hosting.

Adult companies have sued for Copyright before, you just need to have your ducks in a row or be counter sued. If you have a tight case like this, go for it.

But for the rest of our industry and piracy tubes, many respond to take down notices. That really hurts our efforts, they are following the law.
The rest aren't located in America, or the corporation isn't and we have no legal ability to prove the owner is American. They are 'employees' with those Companies at that, making it even harder.
Just my take at least.

Subpeona the host for the account records on file. Subpeona the host for the paypal email address they send money from, or the credit card number, or the location the wire comes in from.

Once you have the paypal email address, you subpeona Paypal for the IP addresses which accessed that account - if they are using Paypal they have to be in a country which abides by US law or is friendly with the USA.

There really isn't a way to be TRULY anonymous on the internet no matter how hard you try. As long as you can get the information some how, it can ALL be traced back!
The only people truly invulnerable are the ones who live themselves (and have NO assets in the USA) in places like Turkey, etc. However, a lot of these sites all have people who live or have assets or at some point RETURN to the USA. If they do any 1 of those 3, they can be caught.

There are not that many hosts out there who
#1. Will play game ignoring DMCA's, etc.
#2. Will have the network capacity to keep downloads fast.
#3. Do all this while still charging rock bottom prices.

These people will complain and move as soon as stuff is slow, and they will only pay rock bottom prices. So their options are limited because of those 3 factors combined.
I could probably name the hosts that account for 95% of all illegal tube and file sharing.

Dirty Dane · 07-16-2009, 01:34 AM

Hey that is really cool! But I went to the paysite and the models are as young as 13-14? They look older, but that it what it says. Am I missing something here????

TidalWave · 07-16-2009, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWave

There are not that many hosts out there who
#1. Will play game ignoring DMCA's, etc.
#2. Will have the network capacity to keep downloads fast.
#3. Do all this while still charging rock bottom prices.

These people will complain and move as soon as stuff is slow, and they will only pay rock bottom prices. So their options are limited because of those 3 factors combined.
I could probably name the hosts that account for 95% of all illegal tube and file sharing.

Oh, and these hosts are really all located in just a few different countries: USA, Netherlands, and Germany(?).

So really not all that difficult - it would take time invested, but not incredibly difficult. Places like Turkey are going to have shitttttt for network speeds, capacity and prices.

Slutboat · 07-16-2009, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Hey that is really cool! But I went to the paysite and the models are as young as 13-14? They look older, but that it what it says. Am I missing something here????

Those are their real ages - nothing over 17.. He used to have full see thru stuff of the teenies on the tour..ballzy mo fo, and gotta admit, some cute little models.

davecummings · 07-16-2009, 12:49 PM

Let's hope technological advances will soon provide ways to make illegal tube sites go away!

cem · 07-18-2009, 03:16 AM

Nice, but there are much cheaper and also effective methods, see sig.

V_RocKs · 07-18-2009, 12:00 PM

Death of the keyboard warriors...

Drake · 07-18-2009, 12:01 PM

Nice job fella

coolegg2 · 07-20-2009, 12:46 PM

Bump, for no other reason than this story of content thieves getting their just desserts gives me a massive hardon.

Fabien · 07-20-2009, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosis

good to see someone taking action

What he says !

I've been crying outloud for years about the fact the showing free stuff, full lenght (+NO COPYRIGHTS) is like shooting yourself in the foot.

So impressed by your determination.
THUMBS UP !

Now i sincerly hope i won't ever piss you off with something

You're DA MAN and keep it going.

Fuck Tubes and forums

TheDoc · 07-20-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWave

Subpeona the host for the account records on file. Subpeona the host for the paypal email address they send money from, or the credit card number, or the location the wire comes in from.

Once you have the paypal email address, you subpeona Paypal for the IP addresses which accessed that account - if they are using Paypal they have to be in a country which abides by US law or is friendly with the USA.

There really isn't a way to be TRULY anonymous on the internet no matter how hard you try. As long as you can get the information some how, it can ALL be traced back!
The only people truly invulnerable are the ones who live themselves (and have NO assets in the USA) in places like Turkey, etc. However, a lot of these sites all have people who live or have assets or at some point RETURN to the USA. If they do any 1 of those 3, they can be caught.

There are not that many hosts out there who
#1. Will play game ignoring DMCA's, etc.
#2. Will have the network capacity to keep downloads fast.
#3. Do all this while still charging rock bottom prices.

These people will complain and move as soon as stuff is slow, and they will only pay rock bottom prices. So their options are limited because of those 3 factors combined.
I could probably name the hosts that account for 95% of all illegal tube and file sharing.

Before you get a Subpeona, don't you need proof of something, started to sue, or something? It's for sure not cut and dry.

I really don't think a Tube is paying a bw bill with paypal or epass either. Prob have a better chance of going after a Sponsor on the Tube and trying to get the reverse information, but then again.

Even if you did subpeona them...

If someone sets up an offshore corp, that corp is making the money. That's the corp paying the bills. A wire isn't going to come from a US company or a personal wire, it's going to come from the International Corp.

I'm not saying that paths can't be found to sue the tubes. But I am saying, It's not as easy as you people "think" it is, or in the case of this thread... or it would have already happened, no doubt about that.

Fletch XXX · 07-20-2009, 01:58 PM

let he who has never copied a single dvd throw the first stone.

SleazyDream · 07-20-2009, 05:34 PM

very impressed.

I've always said there is nothing wrong with tubes so long as the content is licenced and used legally.

people who steal content should be sued.

Great job!

SleazyDream · 07-20-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

let he who has never copied a single dvd throw the first stone.

never illegally, always with license and rights to do so..

gimi the STONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoehorn! · 07-20-2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGS

You are a true star and I take my hat off to you.

I second that.

SilentKnight · 07-20-2009, 07:15 PM

I read your earlier thread about all this a month or so ago - and was thoroughly impressed with your methods and tenacity.

And I love how you managed to track down those with financial deep pockets (like the real estate guy) - to hit them hard with the settlements.

A few years ago I remember a colleague in the bdsm/fetish market that once said he made more money pursuing copyright infringement cases - than he did with his websites and video production (and he was considered a BIG producer in the niche categories - his name was fairly household familiar).

He'd go after a few infringement suits each week and wind up settling for rather healthy settlements. Like you, he primarily targeted the ones he knew had the money to pay.

Kudos to your ongoing efforts. I really hope more producers read about your exploits and get inspired to do the same.

And a special round of applause for donating portions of your settlements to worthy charities. That puts you in a very noble category.

katharos · 07-23-2009, 12:49 PM

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smutnut · 07-23-2009, 02:38 PM

Very interesting. I bookmarked the link to read closer later.

tobephoto · 07-23-2009, 07:40 PM

I like it. Would like to see a wave of it.

fatfoo · 07-23-2009, 11:29 PM

Nice read. Very instructive. Those content stealing tube sites are wrong.

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