Even Porn Not Recession Proof: R.I.P. AVN Online Magazine - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

seeandsee · 07-21-2009, 08:55 AM

hard times

Twistys Tim · 07-21-2009, 08:56 AM

Warren Buffett on the future of printed media.

Quote:

IF MR GUTTENBERG HAD COME UP WITH THE INTERNET INSTEAD OF MOVABLE TYPE
BACK IN THE LATE 15TH CENTURY AND FOR 400 YEARS WE HAD USED THE INTERNET
FOR NEWS AND ALL TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT AND ALL KINDS OF EVERYTHING ELSE AND
I CAME ALONG ONE DAY AND SAID I HAVE GOT THIS WONDERFUL IDEA WE ARE
GOING TO CHOP DOWN SOME TREES UP IN CANADA AND SHIP THEM TO A PAPER MILL
WHICH WILL COST US A FORTUNE TO RUN THROUGH AND DELIVER NEWSPRINT AND
THEN WE'LL SHIP THAT DOWN TO SOME NEWSPAPER AND WE'LL HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH
OF PEOPLE STAYING UP ALL NIGHT WRITING UP THINGS AND THEN WE'LL SEND A
BUNCH OF KIDS OUT THE NEXT DAY ALL OVER TOWN DELIVERING THIS THING AND
WE ARE GOING TO REALLY WIPE OUT THE INTERNET WITH THIS IT AIN'T GOING TO
HAPPEN.

maxjohan · 07-21-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by spider_x

"Always exaggerating the littlest things. Bye bye chicken little.

I truly detest this. It's just weak minded journalism

TheDoc · 07-21-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Now, that point said. Back to the O.P. and the actual point being that the recession has caused companies to cut back on their advertising in trades causing a ripple effect that is hitting publications, among others, and that this industry is no longer recession proof.

No no... they don't get to use the recession for this... they were taking a downfall way before the markets turned south.

Take your 2 cents back..

Barefootsies · 07-21-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

No no... they don't get to use the recession for this... they were taking a downfall way before the markets turned south.

CamJack · 07-21-2009, 09:06 AM

go xbiz !!!

MaDalton · 07-21-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You're missing the point bud.

I was agreeing with Doc that their reach, focus, and articles needed to take a more well rounded view on adult industry. Catering to every sector. Big and small webmasters, affiliates, and alike. Not just the big companies.

I am not talking about ad dollars. Nor did I infer that in any way. I am talking about support, and readership.

yes, and?

who pays for the production of such a magazine? unless you want it printed on toilet paper

whoever advertises wants to read nice stuff about himself in there. thats why you end up with a mag that only has articles about those who can afford to pay for the ads. and if no one can (or wants) afford it anymore you have no magazine.

BradM · 07-21-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by spider_x

Why would they say the industry as a whole is not recession proof when ONE shitty magazine goes down the toilet? All I can say is good riddance. Sure they had useful articles here and there, a noobfest here and there. But honestly in my opinion AVN has always been about a negative spin on the industry, negative news, crappy sponsor ads and general fluff. Time for a new breed of mag to hit the scene that can actually enable webmasters rather than hurt them. I have multiple avn online mags in my possession and every single issue has left me wondering.... well why don't they go into more detail on how to do this or that? And why are they so biased towards this and that? I can't wait to shred them. Rest in pieces

Agreed. AVN has sucked shit for a long time. This is just signaling the end to a doomed beast.

Pleasurepays · 07-21-2009, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

Warren Buffett on the future of printed media.

haha... thats awesome.

Relentless · 07-21-2009, 09:15 AM

There is still definitely an important place for print media in this industry and every other one. However, that place is not going into direct competition with digital media at what electronic media does best.

Most magazines and periodicals that fail go out in large part because they focus on the same sound-bite journalism that electronic media can provide faster and better than any printed issue ever will. The role print media should focus on is in-depth, investigative, thoughtful journalism.

Websites do not print 5,000 to 10,000 word articles that span 4 or 5 full pages because most people are unwilling to read long form journalism on a computer monitor. When they are away from their desks, people are far more willing to read a book or a lengthy report or article about something interesting and important to them.

If magazines do thorough statistical analysis of market trends, meaningful industry research and in-depth interviews with people capable of exploring topics in greater detail than most blog entries, they find a much wider audience.

The trend toward 1,000 word articles in print that gloss over major topics leaves printed periodicals in direct competition with what the web does best. The obviously better path is the one that significant publications like Wired Magazine continue to take, offering content that goes beyond what internet media provides for people who are seeking a greater understanding than sound-bites can contain.

jmk · 07-21-2009, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless

There is still definitely an important place for print media in this industry and every other one. However, that place is not going into direct competition with digital media at what electronic media does best.

Most magazines and periodicals that fail go out in large part because they focus on the same sound-bite journalism that electronic media can provide faster and better than any printed issue ever will. The role print media should focus on is in-depth, investigative, thoughtful journalism.

Websites do not print 5,000 to 10,000 word articles that span 4 or 5 full pages because most people are unwilling to read long form journalism on a computer monitor. When they are away from their desks, people are far more willing to read a book or a lengthy report or article about something interesting and important to them.

If magazines do thorough statistical analysis of market trends, meaningful industry research and in-depth interviews with people capable of exploring topics in greater detail than most blog entries, they find a much wider audience.

The trend toward 1,000 word articles in print that gloss over major topics leaves printed periodicals in direct competition with what the web does best. The obviously better path is the one that significant publications like Wired Magazine continue to take, offering content that goes beyond what internet media provides for people who are seeking a greater understanding than sound-bites can contain.

Nice post

DWB · 07-21-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by seanchai

We spent over a $160k in 2008 in print, shows and a few online forums in 2008 solely to reach the affiliates and to brand our product Groobybucks with "Selling Shemales".

Never heard of ya. Any money still in that niche?

Barefootsies · 07-21-2009, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless

There is still definitely an important place for print media in this industry and every other one. However, that place is not going into direct competition with digital media at what electronic media does best.

Most magazines and periodicals that fail go out in large part because they focus on the same sound-bite journalism that electronic media can provide faster and better than any printed issue ever will. The role print media should focus on is in-depth, investigative, thoughtful journalism.

Websites do not print 5,000 to 10,000 word articles that span 4 or 5 full pages because most people are unwilling to read long form journalism on a computer monitor. When they are away from their desks, people are far more willing to read a book or a lengthy report or article about something interesting and important to them.

If magazines do thorough statistical analysis of market trends, meaningful industry research and in-depth interviews with people capable of exploring topics in greater detail than most blog entries, they find a much wider audience.

The trend toward 1,000 word articles in print that gloss over major topics leaves printed periodicals in direct competition with what the web does best. The obviously better path is the one that significant publications like Wired Magazine continue to take, offering content that goes beyond what internet media provides for people who are seeking a greater understanding than sound-bites can contain.

Awesome post.

Relentless · 07-21-2009, 09:29 AM

Thanks for the kind words about my post. I have had the honor of writing articles published in XBIZ, Klixxx, FubarTimes and AVN among other printed periodicals. I see magazines as having a very relevant future as long as they differentiate themselves from what the web offers.

If anyone is interested in purchasing freelance articles, press releases, site text or any other English prose for their publications online or offline, feel free to take a look at www.enginefood.com for examples of my past published work or contact me on ICQ# 266942896.

huda · 07-21-2009, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDF

sig heil

LOL!!! Best Sig Ever

MichaelP · 07-21-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless

There is still definitely an important place for print media in this industry and every other one. However, that place is not going into direct competition with digital media at what electronic media does best.

Most magazines and periodicals that fail go out in large part because they focus on the same sound-bite journalism that electronic media can provide faster and better than any printed issue ever will. The role print media should focus on is in-depth, investigative, thoughtful journalism.

Websites do not print 5,000 to 10,000 word articles that span 4 or 5 full pages because most people are unwilling to read long form journalism on a computer monitor. When they are away from their desks, people are far more willing to read a book or a lengthy report or article about something interesting and important to them.

If magazines do thorough statistical analysis of market trends, meaningful industry research and in-depth interviews with people capable of exploring topics in greater detail than most blog entries, they find a much wider audience.

The trend toward 1,000 word articles in print that gloss over major topics leaves printed periodicals in direct competition with what the web does best. The obviously better path is the one that significant publications like Wired Magazine continue to take, offering content that goes beyond what internet media provides for people who are seeking a greater understanding than sound-bites can contain.

Words of wisdom

Publishers should think about what people want to read on the train/plane. Where they have the time and are actually looking for more detailed articles.

That being said, I'm very sad to see AVN Online go though...

MichaelP · 07-21-2009, 09:53 AM

.... "It has covered all aspects of the internet porn industry since its launch five years ago." ....

Hum I still have 1999 issues here ...

JFK · 07-21-2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless

Thanks for the kind words about my post. I have had the honor of writing articles published in XBIZ, Klixxx, FubarTimes and AVN among other printed periodicals. I see magazines as having a very relevant future as long as they differentiate themselves from what the web offers.

If anyone is interested in purchasing freelance articles, press releases, site text or any other English prose for their publications online or offline, feel free to take a look at www.enginefood.com for examples of my past published work or contact me on ICQ# 266942896.

Relentless is F.U.B.A.R. Approved

art914 · 07-21-2009, 10:01 AM

I agree. Point in case, the magazine Economist and Times. Economist is doing much better than Times precisely for that reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless

There is still definitely an important place for print media in this industry and every other one. However, that place is not going into direct competition with digital media at what electronic media does best.

Most magazines and periodicals that fail go out in large part because they focus on the same sound-bite journalism that electronic media can provide faster and better than any printed issue ever will. The role print media should focus on is in-depth, investigative, thoughtful journalism.

Websites do not print 5,000 to 10,000 word articles that span 4 or 5 full pages because most people are unwilling to read long form journalism on a computer monitor. When they are away from their desks, people are far more willing to read a book or a lengthy report or article about something interesting and important to them.

If magazines do thorough statistical analysis of market trends, meaningful industry research and in-depth interviews with people capable of exploring topics in greater detail than most blog entries, they find a much wider audience.

The trend toward 1,000 word articles in print that gloss over major topics leaves printed periodicals in direct competition with what the web does best. The obviously better path is the one that significant publications like Wired Magazine continue to take, offering content that goes beyond what internet media provides for people who are seeking a greater understanding than sound-bites can contain.

getmouthy · 07-21-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Not sure who that is. However, I did notice that the mags are getting a whole lot thinner.

The adult trades, as well as Maxim and the others that used to be 2 inches thick.

exactly.. maxim is like a flyer now

LiveDose · 07-21-2009, 10:15 AM

I felt this coming with the recent issues. Sucks.

DonovanTrent · 07-21-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

Warren Buffett on the future of printed media.

Best thing I've read so far this week. And Relentless' post is second best. Print media needs to give some long thought to "what CAN we do that the Internet just CAN'T" and then do that, rather than continuing to beat dead horses.

FabianC · 07-21-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelP

.... "It has covered all aspects of the internet porn industry since its launch five years ago." ....

Hum I still have 1999 issues here ...

caught that too ....

Deej · 07-21-2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Those muthafuckas need to stop sending me their magazine with my domain name on it and the words "sexually explicit" wrapped in shady looking black plastic...

Why in the FUCKS NAME would you include my domain name on postage?...Now everybody in the post office knows what website is responsible for all of the checks that arrive in that box...

Fucking idiots. Fuck em.

I didnt appreciate this either. Especially after I asked them to stop sending it and it has still to this day kept coming.

well.... i guess up until now

spider_x · 07-21-2009, 10:39 AM

I blame the nubes.

BobG · 07-21-2009, 11:09 AM

Yesterday, I was just reading my most recent issue thinking to myself that it was especially thin compared to most others I've received.
On a related note, at my front door was a stack of phone books from the phone company. Does anyone even use phone books anymore?

amacontent · 07-21-2009, 11:13 AM

I said once before.. downfall of AVN is the refusal to cater to the smaller companies. Sure they want thier big bucks form the big boys. But dont forget childern grow up to.

The history of AVN is kissing the ass of Wicked, Private, Jules, Vivid etc. Well we all there where that got them.

C H R I S · 07-21-2009, 11:19 AM

News of our demise is strongly exaggerated.... we made the announcement of this consolidation over a month ago.....

AVN will continue to deliver the same content and coverage that you have relied on for the past years. It will just be packaged in one larger book seperated into three sections covering the ENTIRE industry instead of one book for each segment.

AVN's Qualified circulation base is the largest of any industry publication and I hope everyone will continue to read - if you havent gotten the magazine in the past be sure to subscribe - it's free for member of the industry.

And of course if you need anything whatsoever in terms of editorial coverage, PR on our site, Internext Summer or Vegas, or AVN.com just hit me up.

See everyone in Miami!

Cheers!

american pervert · 07-21-2009, 12:15 PM

i remember when avn online was IA 2000

C-Luv · 07-21-2009, 12:17 PM

Sad news, RIP

BVF · 07-21-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej

I didnt appreciate this either. Especially after I asked them to stop sending it and it has still to this day kept coming.

well.... i guess up until now

Yep and it's too late to close the barn door now that the horse is gone.

WiredGuy · 07-21-2009, 12:30 PM

What are the 3 sections?
WG

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

News of our demise is strongly exaggerated.... we made the announcement of this consolidation over a month ago.....

AVN will continue to deliver the same content and coverage that you have relied on for the past years. It will just be packaged in one larger book seperated into three sections covering the ENTIRE industry instead of one book for each segment.

AVN's Qualified circulation base is the largest of any industry publication and I hope everyone will continue to read - if you havent gotten the magazine in the past be sure to subscribe - it's free for member of the industry.

And of course if you need anything whatsoever in terms of editorial coverage, PR on our site, Internext Summer or Vegas, or AVN.com just hit me up.

See everyone in Miami!

Cheers!

tony286 · 07-21-2009, 12:32 PM

considering they gave a lifetime to one of the biggest supporters of online piracy. I wont be shedding any tears for them.

BlackCrayon · 07-21-2009, 12:38 PM

am i just reading this wrong..they dump the online version but stick the old paper magazine? way to evolve. wouldn't it be cheaper to just have an online version and get people to subscribe to that?

KillerK · 07-21-2009, 12:51 PM

Wonder if Xbiz is next?

None of these magazines help a "real" webmaster out.

C H R I S · 07-21-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What are the 3 sections?
WG

Same as we segmented the magazines before :

Video/ DVD

AVN Online - Online and Technology

Novelty

C H R I S · 07-21-2009, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

am i just reading this wrong..they dump the online version but stick the old paper magazine? way to evolve. wouldn't it be cheaper to just have an online version and get people to subscribe to that?

Your reading it wrong.....

We had three magazines (printed publications) AVN, AVN Online and Adulty Novelty Business.

We are merging these three magazines into one.

We will still have digital versions of the magazine and our news portal www.avn.com

Got it?

Relentless · 07-21-2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerK

Wonder if Xbiz is next?None of these magazines help a "real" webmaster out.

What you wrote proves one or more of the following three things to be true:

1) You have not read XBIZ or AVN ever in your life...
2) You can not accurately define what a "real webmaster" is...
3) You speak without thinking...

Holly Lez! · 07-21-2009, 01:53 PM

Cybersocket is still going strong

C H R I S · 07-21-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Lez!

Cybersocket is still going strong

As is AVN - Love ya Holly

PornNewz · 07-21-2009, 03:03 PM

As is PornNewz.

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