Content girls: pay your taxes!

[Easton]

it never fails: every so often I get a huge package from the IRS with some new girl who owes them a bucket of money from a few years back

so i have to waste my valuable time filling it out telling the IRS that she doesn't work for me, that i don't have any new address or info on her, then mail it back at my own expense

fellow producers in the US, i'm sure you get this a lot as well right?

so content girls... don't be a deadbeat: pay your fucking tax bills so the IRS leaves the honest businesses that actually employ people alone to continue contributing to this economy



i swear i'll start posting their stage names soon (not, but it would feel good to do so)

[Profits of Doom]

HAHAHA, you get the same thing at strip clubs. I used to get certified letters from the IRS all the time for various strippers past and present, usually followed by phone calls. I would just tell them the same thing, the girls are independent contractors and aren't actually employed by me, so there is nothing I can do. We had girls that were on disability for some type of psychosis and getting a government check on top of making cash every day dancing, but they couldn't be bothered with paying taxes...

[Jack Sparrow]

I guess this is worth a bump right.

[directfiesta]

hummmm...

Content dilemma :

- pay taxes

or

- shoot up ...

Let me get back to you on that ...( Palin_talk)

[billywatson]

Yea, I just got a few of these, too. Ugh.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by billywatson

Yea, I just got a few of these, too. Ugh.

need to change law

[Easton]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

need to change law

yeah seriously... the IRS should harrass the delinquent taxpayer, not the business that employed them for a day 3 years ago

[closer]

It happens here too, but usually it suffices by sending them a copy of the model contract where amongst other things it states they are not employed by you (at least here that is)

If you have the model contracts digitally, it usually takes 10 mins work, still 10 mins too much though :P

[MaDalton]

thats obviously the same all over the world... :-/

[JP-pornshooter]

you 1099 them?

[czarina]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

you 1099 them?

good question. Looking forward to your reply.

[Pete-KT]

anyone that you pay more then 600 a year to should be 1099, i know we 1099 all our girls that make money from the sites, the girls i shoot once or twice and pay them i dont bother with them they get paid cash and can be on there way.

[LoveSandra]

fuck taxes

[fatfoo]

Yeah, you get those? Thanks for posting.

[Easton]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

you 1099 them?

yes of course, everyone who earns $600 or more in a fiscal year with me is issued a 1099 by Jan 31st of the following year

LOL and don't get me started on how many of those 1099s come back to us marked "return to sender" cuz these girls move more often than a mobile home

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

HAHAHA, you get the same thing at strip clubs. I used to get certified letters from the IRS all the time for various strippers past and present, usually followed by phone calls. I would just tell them the same thing, the girls are independent contractors and aren't actually employed by me, so there is nothing I can do. We had girls that were on disability for some type of psychosis and getting a government check on top of making cash every day dancing, but they couldn't be bothered with paying taxes...

You were paying the strippers? I haven't heard of that in years. Last girls I saw get paid by the club were my 2nd and 3rd wives (they were both feature dancers and traveled the world)
Other than that every club I know of in the U.S. uses the "tip out" scam to force the girls to pay to work. Here in Vegas it's currently $75 a night UP FRONT that a stripper has to pay out to the house mom the minute they walk in the door before they are allowed on the floor.

I have never heard of the IRS coming after strippers (and I was married to 2 and lived with 2 that were all BIG money makers) because it's a cash business. I guess there are exceptions such as you are describing but I'm not sure how the IRS even knew those girls existed or were working at your club.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by Easton

yes of course, everyone who earns $600 or more in a fiscal year with me is issued a 1099 by Jan 31st of the following year

LOL and don't get me started on how many of those 1099s come back to us marked "return to sender" cuz these girls move more often than a mobile home

I get about 90% back...........

Find their mom's address and send them out again

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Easton

yeah seriously... the IRS should harrass the delinquent taxpayer, not the business that employed them for a day 3 years ago

The IRS needs to be abolished. This country operated just fine for well over a century without a punitive income tax.

[MandyBlake]

i don't understand how some people don't think they HAVE to pay taxes.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You were paying the strippers? I haven't heard of that in years. Last girls I saw get paid by the club were my 2nd and 3rd wives (they were both feature dancers and traveled the world)
Other than that every club I know of in the U.S. uses the "tip out" scam to force the girls to pay to work. Here in Vegas it's currently $75 a night UP FRONT that a stripper has to pay out to the house mom the minute they walk in the door before they are allowed on the floor.

I have never heard of the IRS coming after strippers (and I was married to 2 and lived with 2 that were all BIG money makers) because it's a cash business. I guess there are exceptions such as you are describing but I'm not sure how the IRS even knew those girls existed or were working at your club.

No we didn't actually pay them, hence the independent contractor status. Our clubs were affiliated with Deja Vu, and one was a Deja Vu Club (in Port Huron, Michigan), so we also operated on the girls paying what we would call "dancer rent" for each shift, which could be as low as $25 depending on the club location. Would would also "fine" them from $50 on up if they missed their shift.

As for the IRS finding out about the girls, there are so many ways it could happen. Even though we classified them as independent contractors a lot of the girls still put the club location as their employer when applying for credit, apartments, and so on. Some girls come into the business trying to do it the right way, and will initially report some type of income to the IRS from dancing, even though they were way under reporting. Then after a year or so they just quit filing taxes completely, even though at this point they are in the system as a dancer and are still living a high dollar lifestyle with tons of bills and expenses.

The most common way though was child and spousal support. So many of these girls had kids with or were married to deadbeats, so when their marriages split they actually ended up having to pay spousal support, or if they were married to a decent working guy the guy ended up with custody of the kids because the girl was a wreck. They almost always fell behind on their payments for whatever reason, the club was listed as their employer even though they are independent contractors, and pretty soon the IRS is sniffing around.

You are right in that we never kept track of the money they were paid and never sent a 1099 to the IRS for a dancer, but if a girl is not smart she can most definitely end up in the system if she has an ex that knows how much she made and is spiteful...

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by closer

It happens here too, but usually it suffices by sending them a copy of the model contract where amongst other things it states they are not employed by you (at least here that is)

If you have the model contracts digitally, it usually takes 10 mins work, still 10 mins too much though :P

That's exactly what we'd do, send a copy of the dancer contract stating they are independent contractors and not employees...

[HorseShit]

yup, this thread will make them pay their taxes

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MandyBlake

i don't understand how some people don't think they HAVE to pay taxes.

Mandy, I played in a band for a living for over 20 years and was married and living with different strippers the whole time. None of us paid income taxes. Not one of the hundreds of musicians or thousands of dancers I knew. BUT we did "pay taxes" everytime we bought something at the store. Cash business never pays taxes. I know plenty of guys who have made a lot of money as antique dealers at flea markets selling for cash money and they have never filed income tax in their entire lives. And I'm talking about guys in their late 60's.

There are literally millions of people who never pay taxes, never collect social security or medicare or any of that govt. handout stuff. Just go to a flea market and you'll see folks making a pretty damn good living with a cash business that could care less about taxes.

I'm one of those guys who thinks we should abolish the income tax anyway and go with national sales tax. Then all the cash people would be paying taxes...and the more you spend the more money the govt. takes in.

But the govt. is greedy and wants that "Prepaid" spot. lol