Who is the one true marketing genius in solo girl sites? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:34 PM

There's only one, let's see if anybody guesses right.

Nicky · 07-28-2009, 01:35 PM

Alphasky?

Robbie · 07-28-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

There's only one, let's see if anybody guesses right.

Only one guy who knows how to market a solo girl site? I know quite a few guys who have made some nice coin doing just that. But maybe it's like Highlander and there "Can be only one"

Robbie · 07-28-2009, 01:37 PM

But now that I think about it...the guy who did the very best and made the most and dwarfed EVERYBODY was probably the guy behind the Tila Tequila internet phenomenon

SteveLightspeed · 07-28-2009, 01:37 PM

I know, I know! And no, its not me.

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Only one guy who knows how to market a solo girl site? I know quite a few guys who have made some nice coin doing just that. But maybe it's like Highlander and there "Can be only one"

yeah but that's not what I said - i said a 'marketing genius'. knowing how to market a solo girl site isn't genius, that's being competent or even very good.

whatif_3 · 07-28-2009, 01:38 PM

the correct answer is lightspeed

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I know, I know! And no, its not me.

you're good but you are correct, it's not you.

Roald · 07-28-2009, 01:39 PM

spill the beans!

katharos · 07-28-2009, 01:42 PM

phil flash? steve lightspeed? those are only ones who have solo girls imperiums as far i see ... but now sure how they are doing these days

JFK · 07-28-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

spill the beans!

yeah, who is it ?

PornAddict · 07-28-2009, 01:42 PM

My guess... Jenna Jameson. She built her site and brand and then cashed out. She probably made more than 95% of the single models combined.

- PornAddict

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

Alphasky?

haha - they are the complete opposite. i've never seen an opportunity blown like that, if TeenRevenue or Lightspeed had that guy's content they'd have made millions.

two sets of hot twins - almost impossible to imagine finding that.

whatif_3 · 07-28-2009, 01:44 PM

phil flash, spunky, paolo, its not you mutt ;), my vote is for lightspeed

he got it when the getting was good

DVTimes · 07-28-2009, 01:44 PM

is it me?

StuartD · 07-28-2009, 01:45 PM

My guess is Phil.... but there are quite a few that do very well and I'm not one to judge brilliance in marketing.

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PornAddict

My guess... Jenna Jameson. She built her site and brand and then cashed out. She probably made more than 95% of the single models combined.

- PornAddict

hmm - never thought about her, a good argument could be made for her for creating herself into a pornstar who somewhat made it in mainstream and made porn more acceptable.

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

My guess is Phil.... but there are quite a few that do very well and I'm not one to judge brilliance in marketing.

no, but i think Phil has some genius in him as a photographer for his particular niche - NN - he shoots like a pervert more than anybody else I know.

GetSCORECash · 07-28-2009, 01:51 PM

you have our attention, now tell us.

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 01:53 PM

anyway, what made me post this thread was a vague reference in another thread i just saw plus was on another program site the other day where the term 'marketing genius' was used.

the answer is....................... Mayor from Mayor's Money. Why is he the one marketing genius in my opinion? Because he took a model who was nothing more than average and made a star out of her. Brooke Skye, I was sent that girl by an agent a few days before Mayor signed her - she was just a typical porn content girl, nothing about her said 'solo girl site star' to me. I sent her pics out to my mailing list of exclusive content buyers and I don't think I got one response to go ahead and shoot her.

All the other solo girl site stars - you can see they were stars or had a good chance to become one.

Nicky · 07-28-2009, 01:54 PM

A little surprised by your answer actually

C-Luv · 07-28-2009, 01:56 PM

And the winner is ......

SteveLightspeed · 07-28-2009, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

anyway, what made me post this thread was a vague reference in another thread i just saw plus was on another program site the other day where the term 'marketing genius' was used.

the answer is....................... Mayor from Mayor's Money. Why is he the one marketing genius in my opinion? Because he took a model who was nothing more than average and made a star out of her. Brooke Skye, I was sent that girl by an agent a few days before Mayor signed her - she was just a typical porn content girl, nothing about her said 'solo girl site star' to me. I sent her pics out to my mailing list of exclusive content buyers and I don't think I got one response to go ahead and shoot her.

All the other solo girl site stars - you can see they were stars or had a good chance to become one.

I love Mike, but I'll disagree here. He is more of a traffic genius than marketing. The same could be said for Tawnee, she is just an average looking girl.

Wizzo · 07-28-2009, 01:59 PM

As I was Major part of MayorsMoney from the beginning I think we were good at traffic and creating very powerful tours and tools, but I would say Steve is a better Solosite genius.

PornAddict · 07-28-2009, 02:01 PM

I don't think I'd place Brooke Skye or Mayor's Money above anything Jenna Jameson or Club Jenna accomplished, though. I mean, he took an average girl and made some perverts pay attention to her. Congratulations...

Jenna, on the other hand, is like 1 of 2 adult models to actually "cross-over" into mainstream. Not to mention the boat load of money she's made by building her brand.

Plus, if you want to label him a "marketing genius", then go ask 100 people walking around any city if they know either of these two names - Jenna Jameson or Brooke Skye. I'd be willing to bet more come back knowing Jenna... to me, that's real marketing.

Not trying to be a douchebag... it's your opinion and I can respect that. I just think because some dude made a successful website off of one of your girls, it fails in comparison...

- PornAddict

whatif_3 · 07-28-2009, 02:01 PM

mutt, what you said with brooke skye, lightspeed did with tawnee stone

Wizzo · 07-28-2009, 02:02 PM

Jenna is a pornstar not a sologirl, so that's really apples and oranges! Jenna also is in a class by herself.

okok · 07-28-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

anyway, what made me post this thread was a vague reference in another thread i just saw plus was on another program site the other day where the term 'marketing genius' was used.

the answer is....................... Mayor from Mayor's Money. Why is he the one marketing genius in my opinion? Because he took a model who was nothing more than average and made a star out of her. Brooke Skye, I was sent that girl by an agent a few days before Mayor signed her - she was just a typical porn content girl, nothing about her said 'solo girl site star' to me. I sent her pics out to my mailing list of exclusive content buyers and I don't think I got one response to go ahead and shoot her.

All the other solo girl site stars - you can see they were stars or had a good chance to become one.

Heh heh I think you are saying more about yourself than about Mayor: "if I didn't see the spark, then it must've been a Einsteinian genius who did." ;)

DWB · 07-28-2009, 02:03 PM

When I thin of "solo girls" as in I see them EVERYWHERE, I think of Lightspeed and Teen Revenue. I see their girls everywhere, more than anymore else, and I don't even seek out that style of content.

They have bootlegged DVDs in Thailand and China with Lightspeed and Teen Revenue girls on them. I can't say that about any others.

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 02:04 PM

BUT on the other hand.................. I posted the first photos of the model who would become Ariel Rebel on GFY. My friend Candido had shot her and wanted me to find a deal for her hopefully. Mayor was in the process of starting MayorsMoney and was all over me for the girl, I thought we had a deal done for Candido and Ariel but then the next day he hit me up and said 'let's do a test, let's shoot 30 sets and then my crew and I will review'.
So I went to Candido and he felt the same way as I did, either sign the girl or don't, for all we know he could have taken the 30 sets and done a pre-fab PerfectionJeff type site with them. So Mayor walked away from Ariel and she went to Panchodog.

DWB · 07-28-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PornAddict

Not trying to be a douchebag...

You should try it, it feels GOOD!!!!

Sly · 07-28-2009, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

anyway, what made me post this thread was a vague reference in another thread i just saw plus was on another program site the other day where the term 'marketing genius' was used.

the answer is....................... Mayor from Mayor's Money. Why is he the one marketing genius in my opinion? Because he took a model who was nothing more than average and made a star out of her. Brooke Skye, I was sent that girl by an agent a few days before Mayor signed her - she was just a typical porn content girl, nothing about her said 'solo girl site star' to me. I sent her pics out to my mailing list of exclusive content buyers and I don't think I got one response to go ahead and shoot her.

All the other solo girl site stars - you can see they were stars or had a good chance to become one.

Are you saying that he is a marketing genius because he turned a girl that nobody else wanted into gold? I mean that's great and all... but there has to be more to being a "marketing genius" than that.

Dennis69 · 07-28-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

As I was Major part of MayorsMoney from the beginning I think we were good at traffic and creating very powerful tours and tools, but I would say Steve is a better Solosite genius.

Yep I agree...

PornAddict · 07-28-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Jenna is a pornstar not a sologirl, so that's really apples and oranges! Jenna also is in a class by herself.

Sologirls can't be porn stars?

- PornAddict

Fucksakes · 07-28-2009, 02:08 PM

so who is it steve?

SteveLightspeed · 07-28-2009, 02:09 PM

I wouldn't use the word "genius" for myself at all. I was driven, I started at the right time, I had a few good mentors, and honestly, I got lucky.

I would say the credit to starting the sologirl niche has to go to MikeAI.

Wizzo · 07-28-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

so who is it steve?

Lightspeed

PornAddict · 07-28-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

You should try it, it feels GOOD!!!!

LOL... I'll take that.

Like I was saying, I could be totally off base here. It's his opinion and I can respect that. I guess we just disagree. I'm also not saying that what Mayor's Money accomplished is some simple task because I know it's not.

Respect to all the marketers out there...

- PornAddict

Wizzo · 07-28-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PornAddict

LOL... I'll take that.

Like I was saying, I could be totally off base here. It's his opinion and I can respect that. I guess we just disagree. I'm also not saying that what Mayor's Money accomplished is some simple task because I know it's not.

Respect to all the marketers out there...

- PornAddict

Just think what our team could have done with Jenna, she would be president by now... J/K

Jim_Gunn · 07-28-2009, 02:12 PM

I filmed Brooke Skye in two lesbian scenes here in South Florida the week before she signed with Mayor's Money. She was sexy but nothing extra-special. Another skinny teenage brunette with a belly ring, exactly the kind of new girl that I film literally every week. The reality is that in hindsight, anyone can be labeled a genius after they have some success. Same for Tawnee or Jenna or any of the other popular girls. There are a hundred girls that could have been them, and any of them could easily have gone into obscurity just like the thousands of other porn "star" content girls that I film all the time.

DWB · 07-28-2009, 02:16 PM

The better question...

Given the state of the industry, could any of them do it again, or was it genius and timing playing perfectly together?

SteveLightspeed · 07-28-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The better question...

Given the state of the industry, could any of them do it again, or was it genius and timing playing perfectly together?

now is not the time to open new sologirl sites

Robbie · 07-28-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

now is not the time to open new sologirl sites

Or any new paysite for that matter.

Current conditions (piracy + economy) have made paysite sales fall hard.

DWB · 07-28-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

now is not the time to open new sologirl sites

I don't think anyone will ever have the same success that some of you had. And that applies to any niche. Unless one of you genius can crack the Chinese nut somewhere down the line.

Wizzo · 07-28-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Or any new paysite for that matter.

Current conditions (piracy + economy) have made paysite sales fall hard.

I think there's time and place for many different sites/programs and though I agree its not the time to launch a sologirl in this market, I can think of a few other concepts that could do very well...

PornAddict · 07-28-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Or any new paysite for that matter.

Current conditions (piracy + economy) have made paysite sales fall hard.

If you had to choose, would you say that starting a single model site is a better gamble today than a typical general niche porn site? I would think that you'd have a better shot at making a run with a single model site if the girl was willing to put in the work... because that business concept can offer the consumer things that tubes can't... like companionship in the form of email/message board contact.

Jerking off to videos and pictures is all well and good, but if you have a girl that answers her emails, goes on live cam, posts on her forum, writes in a blog, really extends herself... I would think the odds are better at getting that initial sale and rebill.

- PornAddict

San · 07-28-2009, 02:35 PM

Must be Lensman

Wizzo · 07-28-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by San

Must be Lensman

He never did sologirls, but Joe is for sure one of the greatest marketers I ever worked with.

Mutt · 07-28-2009, 02:38 PM

MikeAI from AmateurIndex started the whole niche that is now called 'solo girl' - and I don't include the true amateur girls who do their own sites as part of that, they are 'amateurs'. Mike doesn't consider himself a genius so I won't say he is either. But anybody in solo girl niche should know that we all still use his blueprint. He was the first.

hmm - the SouthernCharms guy, i've heard he is like one of the richest guys ever in this business and still going. But his sites are true amateur - different ballgame.

kristin · 07-28-2009, 02:40 PM

Mayor could have had any type of site and rocked it. They were marketing genius'.

07-28-2009, 01:34 PM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Who is the one true marketing genius in solo girl sites? There's only one, let's see if anybody guesses right. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Alphasky? __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

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whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	the correct answer is lightspeed

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katharos So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,515	phil flash? steve lightspeed? those are only ones who have solo girls imperiums as far i see ... but now sure how they are doing these days

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PornAddict Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,401	My guess... Jenna Jameson. She built her site and brand and then cashed out. She probably made more than 95% of the single models combined. - PornAddict

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whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	phil flash, spunky, paolo, its not you mutt ;), my vote is for lightspeed he got it when the getting was good

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	anyway, what made me post this thread was a vague reference in another thread i just saw plus was on another program site the other day where the term 'marketing genius' was used. the answer is....................... Mayor from Mayor's Money. Why is he the one marketing genius in my opinion? Because he took a model who was nothing more than average and made a star out of her. Brooke Skye, I was sent that girl by an agent a few days before Mayor signed her - she was just a typical porn content girl, nothing about her said 'solo girl site star' to me. I sent her pics out to my mailing list of exclusive content buyers and I don't think I got one response to go ahead and shoot her. All the other solo girl site stars - you can see they were stars or had a good chance to become one. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	As I was Major part of MayorsMoney from the beginning I think we were good at traffic and creating very powerful tours and tools, but I would say Steve is a better Solosite genius. __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

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PornAddict Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,401	I don't think I'd place Brooke Skye or Mayor's Money above anything Jenna Jameson or Club Jenna accomplished, though. I mean, he took an average girl and made some perverts pay attention to her. Congratulations... Jenna, on the other hand, is like 1 of 2 adult models to actually "cross-over" into mainstream. Not to mention the boat load of money she's made by building her brand. Plus, if you want to label him a "marketing genius", then go ask 100 people walking around any city if they know either of these two names - Jenna Jameson or Brooke Skye. I'd be willing to bet more come back knowing Jenna... to me, that's real marketing. Not trying to be a douchebag... it's your opinion and I can respect that. I just think because some dude made a successful website off of one of your girls, it fails in comparison... - PornAddict

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Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Jenna is a pornstar not a sologirl, so that's really apples and oranges! Jenna also is in a class by herself. __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	When I thin of "solo girls" as in I see them EVERYWHERE, I think of Lightspeed and Teen Revenue. I see their girls everywhere, more than anymore else, and I don't even seek out that style of content. They have bootlegged DVDs in Thailand and China with Lightspeed and Teen Revenue girls on them. I can't say that about any others.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	BUT on the other hand.................. I posted the first photos of the model who would become Ariel Rebel on GFY. My friend Candido had shot her and wanted me to find a deal for her hopefully. Mayor was in the process of starting MayorsMoney and was all over me for the girl, I thought we had a deal done for Candido and Ariel but then the next day he hit me up and said 'let's do a test, let's shoot 30 sets and then my crew and I will review'. So I went to Candido and he felt the same way as I did, either sign the girl or don't, for all we know he could have taken the 30 sets and done a pre-fab PerfectionJeff type site with them. So Mayor walked away from Ariel and she went to Panchodog. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	so who is it steve?

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SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	I wouldn't use the word "genius" for myself at all. I was driven, I started at the right time, I had a few good mentors, and honestly, I got lucky. I would say the credit to starting the sologirl niche has to go to MikeAI. __________________ Abra-cadabra!

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Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I filmed Brooke Skye in two lesbian scenes here in South Florida the week before she signed with Mayor's Money. She was sexy but nothing extra-special. Another skinny teenage brunette with a belly ring, exactly the kind of new girl that I film literally every week. The reality is that in hindsight, anyone can be labeled a genius after they have some success. Same for Tawnee or Jenna or any of the other popular girls. There are a hundred girls that could have been them, and any of them could easily have gone into obscurity just like the thousands of other porn "star" content girls that I film all the time. __________________ Jim Gunn Filming Cinematic Porn Skype JimGunnProductions

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	The better question... Given the state of the industry, could any of them do it again, or was it genius and timing playing perfectly together?

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07-28-2009, 02:38 PM	#49
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	MikeAI from AmateurIndex started the whole niche that is now called 'solo girl' - and I don't include the true amateur girls who do their own sites as part of that, they are 'amateurs'. Mike doesn't consider himself a genius so I won't say he is either. But anybody in solo girl niche should know that we all still use his blueprint. He was the first. hmm - the SouthernCharms guy, i've heard he is like one of the richest guys ever in this business and still going. But his sites are true amateur - different ballgame. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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