Mobile Porn Question

[Yanks_Todd]

if anybody remembers we (Yankscash.com) did a little foray into the mobile porn biz three years ago or so via our Pocketnetwork. We actually had some technology that is just being reintroduced now, lol.

However how is the billing situation changed? Since apple won't bill for adult, and unless you are on the deck in Europe or Japan it's still pretty tough, just where are the $$s coming from.

I am not claiming sour grapes, really just curious. We quit the Mobile porn biz back then because the situation at the time was impossible being as the US cell companies were making so much loot with text messaging packages they had no taste for the risk that was adult. Now with the iphone there is hope, buuutttt... is it a game changer, I am still a little skeptical.

Discuss

[CIVMatt]

Mobile Porn is pointless and nobodies going to sit there and jack off to "Sally" on their cell phone.

Anyone who hypes it up is full of shit



edit: also yanks rules

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Mobile Porn is pointless and nobodies going to sit there and jack off to "Sally" on their cell phone.

Anyone who hypes it up is full of shit



edit: also yanks rules

I'm not hyping it, but I see the stats for our mobile sites and from that I can say that MANY people are actually buying and watching porn on their cells. Have you actually tried to promote mobile sites? Just because you wouldn't buy porn on your cell it doesn't mean that other people don't or won't. If it didn't sell do you actually think that any company would continue with their mobile sites? I'm pretty sure that they would drop the whole idea since it would be a waste of time and money.

Why would any company, us included, want any webmasters promoting mobile sites that do nothing in terms of sales and all they do is use up bandwidth? In the long run all webmasters would say "fuck this" and stop promoting any mobile sites. So believe me, there are many cell users that do what you think no one does and the webmasters selling it are making some good $ while the others are just letting their mobile traffic slip away.

just my

[GTS Mark]

Mobile porn is the new frontier, it's incredible and one of the only growing verticals within Adult.

Civmatt, give me a shout I bet I can change your position on mobile porn by nights end showing you a few special tricks.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Mobile Porn is pointless and nobodies going to sit there and jack off to "Sally" on their cell phone.

Anyone who hypes it up is full of shit



edit: also yanks rules

If they aren't jerking off to Sally they sure as hell are jerking off to Jessica and Mariah.

[Gausche]

Premium SMS is still not viable in the US and it is just not worth the hassle. Credit cards however, are a different animal and users are signing up in their droves.

[RevShare it!]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Mobile Porn is pointless and nobodies going to sit there and jack off to "Sally" on their cell phone.
Anyone who hypes it up is full of shit

There is $$$ in your mobile traffic... contact us and we'll set you up, give us a try for a few days... http://www.RevShareit.com

[Yngwie]

We're all in this to make money so why ignore all the mobile traffic? Whether someone thinks that no one buys porn on their cells or not doesn't make a difference in the #'s that we see. Hell, even a blog I put up a couple weeks ago gets mobile traffic. Not much, but I haven't done anything in terms of getting traffic to it. Nevertheless, I still added our mobile redirection script and also in the process of having a whitelabel set up for the domain that the blog is on.

Why would I just let the mobile traffic drift away and not make any $ off of it? It's all about money and we provide a service for that traffic so webmasters can actually make $ from it. With the amount of cells sold in the world do you think that the traffic won't grow? It WILL grow and people WILL make more and more $. Even if you think that people don't buy porn on the cells and it's pointless why not actually try to profit from it? Even non-believers can make $ from this.

I know I wouldn't be here or anywhere else telling people that they should promote mobile sites if I knew it didn't make any $. That would be pointless for both me and the webmaster(s).

[Nick-Mindgeek]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Mobile Porn is pointless and nobodies going to sit there and jack off to "Sally" on their cell phone.

Anyone who hypes it up is full of shit



edit: also yanks rules

Hey man.

I will more than hype it up. Mobile is the real deal.
Since launching JuggCash mobile ( Brazzersmobile.com , Xmobilepass.com and many more.... ) we have seen incredible growth in revenues for our affiliates!

Hit me up and I will set you up with a leading mobile solution.

[96ukssob]

from what ive seen, its NOT traditional membership sites that sell, but rather "tube like" video sites that do well.

my brothers friend just got an iPhone and told me he joined a porn site before he downloaded an app

I asked him why he would pay for porn on his cell phone and he said he didnt want to download videos from a site then have to use iTunes in fear they will have a virus attached and 2... "you never know when you are going to need to rub one out"

[Yanks_Todd]

so I see three view points here:

1. coming from CIVMatt, who seems to be coming from a surfers point of view of the feasibility of actually using a mobile adult product. A great point and one that I am really STILL on the fence with

2. a bunch of people pushing mobile solutions, no disrespect I was there, however let's see some digits, ratios and dollars on that one. Like I said I was there, potential and $4 gets you a coffee at starbucks right.

3. bossku69's story of someone he knew, which is def peaked my interest. How old is your bros friend btw? that might be the key to mobile and when it really might hit.

[Yanks_Todd]

oh yeah, let's list the mobile solutions and some detail$ here

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

oh yeah, let's list the mobile solutions and some detail$ here

well, with us we have the following for mobile sites

http://www.cutestgirls.com - Softcore
http://www.ipinkvisualpass.com
http://www.ipornopass.com

Than we have a gay one

http://www.imalespectrumpass.com

We can also set up a whitelabel (highly recommended) for you for any of your domains. You can have it on a sub domain (mobile.domain.com for example) or just the domain.com.

Example of a whitelable - http://mobile.milfseeker.com

We also have a mobile redirect script and in the process of adding .htaccess redirect for those who want it that way. They all convert very good. All I can really say is that it would be crazy not to get into this. I know that it sells and so do all the webmasters that are actually promoting mobile sites. If you need to know anything else feel free to hit me up on ICQ.'

[Exotic Gold]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

well, with us we have the following for mobile sites

http://www.cutestgirls.com - Softcore
http://www.ipinkvisualpass.com
http://www.ipornopass.com

Than we have a gay one

http://www.imalespectrumpass.com

We can also set up a whitelabel (highly recommended) for you for any of your domains. You can have it on a sub domain (mobile.domain.com for example) or just the domain.com.

Example of a whitelable - http://mobile.milfseeker.com

We also have a mobile redirect script and in the process of adding .htaccess redirect for those who want it that way. They all convert very good. All I can really say is that it would be crazy not to get into this. I know that it sells and so do all the webmasters that are actually promoting mobile sites. If you need to know anything else feel free to hit me up on ICQ.'

I just checked out your sites on my iPhone - and I like the format but I can't imagine anyone paying for it.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by Exotic Gold

I just checked out your sites on my iPhone - and I like the format but I can't imagine anyone paying for it.

As I said, people are actually buying. The stats don't lie. You may not think that people would buy porn on their mobile devices, but the stats that I see tell a very different story. Really though, even if you personally wouldn't buy porn on your cell why not at least make $ from the ones that do buy? The only thing that will happen with the mobile porn industry is it will continue to grow and there will still be many that say "who even buys porn on their cell?" while all the others are making a shit load of $ from it.

You lose absolutely nothing in trying to monetize that traffic. You already have some mobile traffic even if you think that you don't so it's up to you to let it leave your site or actually make some $ from it.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Exotic Gold

I just checked out your sites on my iPhone - and I like the format but I can't imagine anyone paying for it.

A couple of things about mobile ... trial to convert is higher, 57% or higher. Retention is better, people need mobile friendly sites and there aren't that many. Less credits and CBs. Even with xsales, we see that most un-check one, so they are definitely seeing them and the Credits and CBs on xsales is much lower.

Conversions are better too, should see less than 1:300. If you are getting too high of conversions, check your Google Analytic stats to ensure you aren't sending Windows or "Not Set" Traffic to the mobile sites.

[daemonx]

If you have the traffic, why not take the $$$ by monetizing it?

Of course mobile porn market is not as huge as PC porn market, but I like the nice extra brought to me by converting mobile traffic from my TGPs through the white labels I got from TopBucks

[HorseShit]

it's only a matter of time before the big tubes take over the mobile world too.

[daemonx]

Originally Posted by Justin

it's only a matter of time before the big tubes take over the mobile world too.

Well... True. But in the good old days PC porn used to convert at 1:100 on my link lists as well, now I'm seeing nice ratios with mobile so I'll better catch the chance before the take over happens.

[seeandsee]

where are ratios ?????

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

As I said, people are actually buying. The stats don't lie. You may not think that people would buy porn on their mobile devices, but the stats that I see tell a very different story. Really though, even if you personally wouldn't buy porn on your cell why not at least make $ from the ones that do buy? The only thing that will happen with the mobile porn industry is it will continue to grow and there will still be many that say "who even buys porn on their cell?" while all the others are making a shit load of $ from it.

You lose absolutely nothing in trying to monetize that traffic. You already have some mobile traffic even if you think that you don't so it's up to you to let it leave your site or actually make some $ from it.

The thing I still can't grasp about mobile porn is, am I supposed to devote domain, sub domain, etc. to it? How am I supposed to SEO optimize it? If I'm already getting hits on standard sites, what's the difference.

I can't really see risking cutting into my standard promotions in any way shape or form to push something experimental (any more than I can see wasting time pushing sponsors that don't convert in place of ones you are confident with), but maybe that's cause I can't grasp the process yet though.

Your mobile sites look pretty sharp though. Wish I just had a clue what to do with them. All I can think of is tossing up links to them in side bars of standard blogs, but don't see that working much as I've tried it with a few other sponsors.

[oceania]

hey Yanks Todd long time no talk- my sexy horoscopes, ringtones and naughty stories (all audio) did very well in the singapore market. still trying to get them launched here in the US

[kristin]

Originally Posted by smutnut

The thing I still can't grasp about mobile porn is, am I supposed to devote domain, sub domain, etc. to it? How am I supposed to SEO optimize it? If I'm already getting hits on standard sites, what's the difference.

I can't really see risking cutting into my standard promotions in any way shape or form to push something experimental (any more than I can see wasting time pushing sponsors that don't convert in place of ones you are confident with), but maybe that's cause I can't grasp the process yet though.

Your mobile sites look pretty sharp though. Wish I just had a clue what to do with them. All I can think of is tossing up links to them in side bars of standard blogs, but don't see that working much as I've tried it with a few other sponsors.

Subdomain works the best and doesn't mess with any Google rankings. You can just implement a mobile detection script (which we provide) and when mobile surfers come in through their phone they will be given the option to go a mobile friendly site. This also doesn't cut into any regular promotions as these surfers probably wouldn't have gone to the paysites you promote. Regular sites just don't look good on mobile and people don't join.

Unless your blog is mobile friendly, tossing links up doesn't really work. You can see the amount of mobile traffic you have in your Google Analytics account. GA --> Visitors --> Browser Capabilities --> Operating Systems (Or you can choose Browser & OS - this gives a little bit more detailed info) You want to make sure to add up the % to all types of mobile and portable devices, so include psp, ipod, etc.

Give it a whirl and we can at least get you a whitelabel created so you have it to use. Hit up Yngwie or myself and we'll get ya rolling.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by kristin

Subdomain works the best and doesn't mess with any Google rankings. You can just implement a mobile detection script (which we provide) and when mobile surfers come in through their phone they will be given the option to go a mobile friendly site. This also doesn't cut into any regular promotions as these surfers probably wouldn't have gone to the paysites you promote. Regular sites just don't look good on mobile and people don't join.

Unless your blog is mobile friendly, tossing links up doesn't really work. You can see the amount of mobile traffic you have in your Google Analytics account. GA --> Visitors --> Browser Capabilities --> Operating Systems (Or you can choose Browser & OS - this gives a little bit more detailed info) You want to make sure to add up the % to all types of mobile and portable devices, so include psp, ipod, etc.

Give it a whirl and we can at least get you a whitelabel created so you have it to use. Hit up Yngwie or myself and we'll get ya rolling.

Hey, I see your script now. If I pop that in the headers will it redirect to pinkvisual? Also do I change the regular url to mine from google (obviously I add my code)? The php code should work in wordpress headers, right?

I actually want to make subdomains and get subdomain redirect codes so I can redirect niche specific, but this will do for now for a test (unless you have niche specific codes).

P.S. I'm going to test it with my own phone, but it's not an iphone. Will that still work?

[kristin]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Hey, I see your script now. If I pop that in the headers will it redirect to pinkvisual? Also do I change the regular url to mine from google (obviously I add my code)? The php code should work in wordpress headers, right?

I actually want to make subdomains and get subdomain redirect codes so I can redirect niche specific, but this will do for now for a test (unless you have niche specific codes).

P.S. I'm going to test it with my own phone, but it's not an iphone. Will that still work?

Most phones do work, Symbien does not.

We have niched WLs ready to go, so let's say you have MILF you want to niche out, you can send it to mobile.milfseeker.com and obviously add your revid. (Those links are in the WM area)

Or we can make you whitelabels, keeps with your brand and theme and it will take us no time to get those ready for you. If we do that, and we subdomain it, then it would be mobile.yoursite.com and since the DNS is all setup, your revid is hardcoded in there, so that's the URL you use.

You can have your pick for straight sites. Depending on which kind of traffic you have, we have www.iPinkVisualPass.com for hardcore, reality porn then we have www.iPornoPass.com and that is all you can download site. Both can be whitelabeled and for gay we have www.iMaleSpectrumPass.com

Let me know if you already have a TopBucks account.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by kristin

Most phones do work, Symbien does not.

We have niched WLs ready to go, so let's say you have MILF you want to niche out, you can send it to mobile.milfseeker.com and obviously add your revid. (Those links are in the WM area)

Or we can make you whitelabels, keeps with your brand and theme and it will take us no time to get those ready for you. If we do that, and we subdomain it, then it would be mobile.yoursite.com and since the DNS is all setup, your revid is hardcoded in there, so that's the URL you use.

You can have your pick for straight sites. Depending on which kind of traffic you have, we have www.iPinkVisualPass.com for hardcore, reality porn then we have www.iPornoPass.com and that is all you can download site. Both can be whitelabeled and for gay we have www.iMaleSpectrumPass.com

Let me know if you already have a TopBucks account.

Yeah, I already have a top bucks account.

I'm about to take that php code for the mobile redirect, change google.com to my directories (i mean domains) and add my code to the pinkvisual link since that looks the best and place code in my wordpress header template before closing tag. If this is correct and it doesn't mess up my blogs.

If there is a better way to do this or better code, niches I would be interested in right now are interracial, wife, teen, milf (probably couple more I'm not thinking about but these would be good to test).

I'd rather stay simple until I see if this is worth anything and this seems simpliest for now where I don't have to strain my brain (LOL) but can still catch some mobile traffic

[kristin]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Yeah, I already have a top bucks account.

I'm about to take that php code for the mobile redirect, change google.com to my directories (i mean domains) and add my code to the pinkvisual link since that looks the best and place code in my wordpress header template before closing tag. If this is correct and it doesn't mess up my blogs.

If there is a better way to do this or better code, niches I would be interested in right now are interracial, wife, teen, milf (probably couple more I'm not thinking about but these would be good to test).

I'd rather stay simple until I see if this is worth anything and this seems simpliest for now where I don't have to strain my brain (LOL) but can still catch some mobile traffic

Shoot me over your TB id and the niches you want and I'll send over your link codes.
kristin @ topbucksmobile.com

As for the script, for Wordpress, you will probably want to use the .htaccess script and I'll send that over attached to the link email.

For other sites, use the php code and just include it at the top of your page and it redirects for you.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by kristin

Shoot me over your TB id and the niches you want and I'll send over your link codes.
kristin @ topbucksmobile.com

As for the script, for Wordpress, you will probably want to use the .htaccess script and I'll send that over attached to the link email.

For other sites, use the php code and just include it at the top of your page and it redirects for you.

For my blogs using wordpress I'm just using the redirect code and seems to work perfectly. I just added the code into the Header file of the template editor.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by kristin

Shoot me over your TB id and the niches you want and I'll send over your link codes.
kristin @ topbucksmobile.com

As for the script, for Wordpress, you will probably want to use the .htaccess script and I'll send that over attached to the link email.

For other sites, use the php code and just include it at the top of your page and it redirects for you.

trying to send info right now with a few domain examples but having email probs. Let me know if you get it.

I think it's actually letting me email out but not letting me receive so you should get my end anyway.

This happens enough so no prob. I'll get email back sooner or later

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

For my blogs using wordpress I'm just using the redirect code and seems to work perfectly. I just added the code into the Header file of the template editor.

That's not working for me. I get the parse errors (looks to be conflicting with all in one seo plug in, but might be something else). Maybe I need different path

[kristin]

Originally Posted by smutnut

trying to send info right now with a few domain examples but having email probs. Let me know if you get it.

I think it's actually letting me email out but not letting me receive so you should get my end anyway.

This happens enough so no prob. I'll get email back sooner or later

Got it and replied. You have all the links, the htaccess script and I went ahead and still got two whitelabels made. : )

LMK if you have questions.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by smutnut

That's not working for me. I get the parse errors (looks to be conflicting with all in one seo plug in, but might be something else). Maybe I need different path

if it gives you problems try using the JAVA redirect code. I forgot to mention that this was the one that I used.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by kristin

Got it and replied. You have all the links, the htaccess script and I went ahead and still got two whitelabels made. : )

LMK if you have questions.

Got it. I actually just replied back about the htaccess. Thanks again.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Got it. I actually just replied back about the htaccess. Thanks again.

just wanted to let you know that I added you to ICQ.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

just wanted to let you know that I added you to ICQ.

Got it. Just turned on icq now

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Mobile Porn is pointless and nobodies going to sit there and jack off to "Sally" on their cell phone.

Anyone who hypes it up is full of shit

edit: also yanks rules

I thought the same way until I heard from guys on various occassions that they take a 'long time taking shits' and their wives / gfs dont know they are actually jerking off.

[smutnut]

Just as for the record, these were the most helpful people I've met so far dealing with this subject matter.

[PantiesDropped]

Bump for good info.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Just as for the record, these were the most helpful people I've met so far dealing with this subject matter.

It was no problem man.

[Bird]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

if anybody remembers we (Yankscash.com) did a little foray into the mobile porn biz three years ago or so via our Pocketnetwork. We actually had some technology that is just being reintroduced now, lol.

However how is the billing situation changed? Since apple won't bill for adult, and unless you are on the deck in Europe or Japan it's still pretty tough, just where are the $$s coming from.

I am not claiming sour grapes, really just curious. We quit the Mobile porn biz back then because the situation at the time was impossible being as the US cell companies were making so much loot with text messaging packages they had no taste for the risk that was adult. Now with the iphone there is hope, buuutttt... is it a game changer, I am still a little skeptical.

Discuss

Todd get at me I have some solutions for you..Bird 268731675

[HouseHead]

I would like to see some SS of some mobile stats..

[Topbuxom Lea]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Just as for the record, these were the most helpful people I've met so far dealing with this subject matter.

You're absolutely right! The TB sales team are mobile experts that have been living/breathing this stuff for over a year. We'll have our peeps in Florida at Internext too, so if anyone wants a "sit down" to shoot the shit about mobile just hit them up. Even if you're not currently doing mobile, we can educate you on this stuff and get you something to test effortlessly.

-L