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F-U-Jimmy · 07-31-2009, 04:21 PM

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Please

Bingo.

You're funny. I was talking to a Canadian friend of mine a couple days ago. He went in for a stomach pain. Doctor said with his history good chance it could be colon cancer.

He set him up for tests that will take place in October and he will get the results a month after that.

Same in the UK Our health care is free (taxes pay for it, National Insurance ) But you can wait years to get seen, most people die before they can get help with serious issues

dyna mo · 07-31-2009, 04:22 PM

private pharma companies don’t do basic research. They do productization research, and only for well-known medical conditions that have a lot of commercial value (ROI)to solve.

The government funds research, whether it’s done by government scientists or by academic scientists whose work is funded overwhelmingly by government grants.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

you are an idiot.

these are DRUG COMPANIES, greedier than oil companies, and you somehow think drug research has come to a standstill?

I am not talking about a drug company, I am talking about private enterprise, like a hospital that has a research department. Places that rely on investors.

I am not going to name the place as I know they do not want their name on GFY, but you know of them most likely.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

Same in the UK Our health care is free (taxes pay for it, National Insurance ) But you can wait years to get seen, most people die before they can get help with serious issues

That is why senior citizens are made to think they will intentionally be put on hold so that they can die before the system has to invest any money in keeping them alive.

It is an easy sell.

fartfly, not sure. You trying to imply this is a race issue?

HerPimp · 07-31-2009, 04:27 PM

If your broke in the US healthcare sucks.
If you have health insurance it is not bad.
If you have money, it is the best in the world.

Thats right, the US has the best healthcare MONEY can buy. So get back to work!!

tony286 · 07-31-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Please

Bingo.

You're funny. I was talking to a Canadian friend of mine a couple days ago. He went in for a stomach pain. Doctor said with his history good chance it could be colon cancer.

He set him up for tests that will take place in October and he will get the results a month after that.

I got one better. We are in the hospital room,the doctor comes in and tells my father its cancer in his brain it doesnt look good and in the next breath says it can take from at least two weeks to a month to see the specialist. If my mother didn't work in the executive offices of a major hospital and knew people to call to pull strings ,ask favors and go to war with the insurance company. My father wouldn't of lasted the 18 months he did.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 04:31 PM

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I got one better. We are in the hospital room,the doctor comes in and tells my father its cancer in his brain it doesnt look good and in the next breath says it can take from at least two weeks to a month to see the specialist. If my mother didn't work in the executive offices of a major hospital and knew people to call to pull strings ,ask favors and go to war with the insurance company. My father wouldn't of lasted the 18 months he did.

And you think socialized medicine is the way to go?

marketsmart · 07-31-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yes, casinos were the least we could give them after stealing there land and mass murdering their people. It always amuses me how we place so much emphasis on the holocaust and slavery, yet we always seem to forget about native americans.

The fact of the matter is that even with casinos, the majority of indians live well below the poverty line..

I guess corruption embraces all colors...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-31-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Here's some more on the same topic:

State health authorities have already confirmed that if the government were to announce a mandatory vaccination program, then there would be no exemptions whatsoever and the program could be carried out with the use of force if necessary.

As reported by CNS News earlier this month, a health-care reform bill approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee called The Affordable Health Choices Act, will fund the creation of state ?intervention? teams that will carry out home visits in order to check that both children and adults have been vaccinated and also provide ?provision of immunizations?.

Consider the source:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

Here is what the Founder and President of that organization, Brent "Bozo" Bozell, recently wrote about the CNBC documentary "Porn: Business of Pleasure":

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On society's list of most shameful professions, the pornographer would be near the top. What must pornographers think of themselves? They would argue that their industry has joined the mainstream, yet for porn performers, it's a sordid career fraught with perils of drugs, disease and, in the darker corners of porn, exploitation and abuse.

Take the case of a true pervert, Paul Little, who calls himself "Max Hardcore." The British author Martin Amis submerged himself in the sleaziest subcultures of sex on film for the British newspaper The Guardian a few years ago. He recalled the making of Little's "Hollywood Hardcore 13." The film included a series of ... excretory humiliations.

In these scenes, Little talks to down to actress Cloey Adams, who is pretending to be a child. "If you're a good girl, I'll take you to McDonald's later and get you a Happy Meal." After she submits to his disgusting desires, she then asks, "What do you think of your little princess now, Daddy?"

Just reading the gross-out titles of Little's DVDs ought to tell the story. One of them is "Golden Guzzlers 7." Little has another series called "Anal Auditions."

Pardon the grotesque details, but they're essential. The "mainstream" media simply omit these wretched realities in order to "mainstream" this kind of madness. Paul Little was indicted during the Bush years by the Department of Justice and convicted for distributing his pornography in the mail. He began serving a 46-month term in Los Angeles in January, while lawyers appeal the verdict.

And believe it or not, Little is now one of the sympathetic subjects of a new smut-exploiting CNBC documentary called "Porn: Business of Pleasure." On July 15, CNBC anchor Melissa Lee, the lead pseudo-investigator of the porn industry, presented Little as a First Amendment casualty.

She sat down with Little and asked sympathetically: "Are there plenty of things out there that there would be an audience for, but society says 'Not for us'?" The line of questioning is chilling. Child pornography is something "there would be an audience for," yes. So, too, are snuff films. Would she scorn "society" for disapproving of those, too?

Little boasted in reply: "Society has spoken. There's more people buying my videos than there are people protesting my videos." Ditto, snuff films.

Clearly, not enough people have any idea of what kind of sickness reigns in Max Hardcore videos. CNBC was more interested in exploiting Little's reputation rather than denouncing it. "He's the dirtiest man in America," they cooed in a promo, emphasizing the naughty fun, not the temptation to vomit.

In promoting her smutty documentary, the audaciously ambitious Lee played up the centrality of porn to American pop culture. "It's as mainstream as [NBC's] Must-See TV," she proclaimed on her regular CNBC show "Fast Money." NBC should have fired her on the spot for comparing their shows to "Golden Guzzlers 7."

CNBC's porn extravaganza offered just two brief interruptions from porn critics. Pat Trueman appeared about halfway into the hour to explain how porn can be illegal. Recovered porn addict Michael Leahy appeared briefly to explain how his porn habit ruined his marriage and his relationship with his sons.

But viewers mostly saw a parade of pornographic product placement and cordial interviews with a series of porn-makers, including porn star-slash-Oklahoma mom "Jesse Jane," whose 9-year-old son doesn't yet know "exactly" what his mother does for a living. The supposedly saddest moment is porn CEO Steven Hirsch lamenting that all the free-porn websites are killing his profits, and with the suspicion that free sites are pirating his films, "now we have to spend money policing the Internet." Cue the violins.

CNBC is the Consumer News and Business Channel, and what this has to do with news or business is beyond me. They're trying to shore up their dreadfully low prime time numbers by celebrating all kinds of sleazy money-making schemes, and saying -- and can't you just hear this -- "it's a business like any other!" CNBC has also recently aired specials on prostitution, and on the marijuana business. This kind of special is the prostituting of journalism; this compares to "business news" about the same way that Nancy Grace's lurid crime interviews compare to hard news.

Shame on CNBC for making no attempt to police the porn industry. Instead, viewers were urged to buy the documentary on DVD with "more [porn] star extras." If porn is just a business like any other, can we expect the next CNBC special to focus on sugar beet growers, or bicycle makers? I think everyone knows the answer.

Here is a link to the "Porn: Business-of-Pleasure" program

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dyna mo · 07-31-2009, 04:38 PM

i have a dream catcher hanging from the rearview on my pickup truck

marketsmart · 07-31-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i have a dream catcher hanging from the rearview on my pickup truck

it was probably made in china..

dyna mo · 07-31-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Consider the source:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

Here is what the Founder and President of that organization, Brent "Bozo" Bozell, recently wrote about the CNBC documentary "Porn: Business of Pleasure":

Here is a link to the "Porn: Business-of-Pleasure" program

ADG

that's an accurate review of the *documentary*

dyna mo · 07-31-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

it was probably made in china..

true, but i bought it at a genuine native american souvenir/rest stop on i-40. got an arrow head too, not sure where it was made.

kane · 07-31-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

If I am reading this correctly they are saying that the Obama administration may come in and take control of any discoveries that they find and not allow them to sell them to other companies/labs?

baddog · 07-31-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

If I am reading this correctly they are saying that the Obama administration may come in and take control of any discoveries that they find and not allow them to sell them to other companies/labs?

Well, I can't ask right now, but as I understand it their fear is along the lines of if medicine is funded by the government they may claim rights to whatever they produce.

I will ask more questions when I see them tomorrow.

epitome · 07-31-2009, 05:03 PM

You mean we're not going to get more drugs that fix a minor ailment but causes 14 diseases, three types of discharge and blindness?

Our loss!

StickyGreen · 07-31-2009, 05:05 PM

epitome · 07-31-2009, 05:07 PM

I don't know why these people are afraid.

There is no such thing as eminent domain for intellectual property.

The rightful owner will always be the rightful owner.

The only thing that they should be afraid of is the government refusing to get raped on pricing and if these companies want to play, they will have to live with realistic and average profit margins.

The alternative is to not play.

Let me guess...are these concerned people registered Republicans?

The fact of the matter is these people are afraid that they're going to have to play business by the regular rules.

kane · 07-31-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Well, I can't ask right now, but as I understand it their fear is along the lines of if medicine is funded by the government they may claim rights to whatever they produce.

I will ask more questions when I see them tomorrow.

I could see that. If all medicine suddenly was under the government control then the for-profit side of it would disappear (at least for many companies.) I wonder then if a company like this one would then be funded by the government instead of having private investors.

Still, I think there is little chance of the government controlling all of the health care system in this country. I think we will ultimately end up with some kind of government health insurance that anyone can buy and the price you pay would be determined by your income level. If you couldn't afford to pay you would be given it for free.

To get a socialized system like they have in Canada and other countries would require a huge overhaul of the entire system and I don't think there is any chance of that happening.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I could see that. If all medicine suddenly was under the government control then the for-profit side of it would disappear (at least for many companies.) I wonder then if a company like this one would then be funded by the government instead of having private investors.

Yeah, the government is going to be doling out the dollars. I am sure.

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Still, I think there is little chance of the government controlling all of the health care system in this country. I think we will ultimately end up with some kind of government health insurance that anyone can buy and the price you pay would be determined by your income level. If you couldn't afford to pay you would be given it for free.

To get a socialized system like they have in Canada and other countries would require a huge overhaul of the entire system and I don't think there is any chance of that happening.

Not going to argue with you there, just stating the fact that apparently investors have been holding back for several months because they don't know what is going to happen next.

epitome · 07-31-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Well, I can't ask right now, but as I understand it their fear is along the lines of if medicine is funded by the government they may claim rights to whatever they produce.

I will ask more questions when I see them tomorrow.

So essentially, all we have here is some people that are afraid of something that may or may not even happen?

That would be like me saying that I am not going to buy a new car because Obama may come into my garage and take it.

Reading between the lines, I think these investors are realizing that the obscene profits available in medicine may evaporate and are plotting where they're going to drop their pallets of cash next. They don't want just a healthy return when they can have an obscene return. I cannot fault them for that, but they should call it for what it is.

Houdini · 07-31-2009, 05:28 PM

The government can't even get this cash for clunkers program running smoothly, you think they can manage our health care lol

Sausage · 07-31-2009, 05:29 PM

Cut my thumb half off 4 years ago, rocked up to hospital was seen after 10 mins and fixed. Cost $0.

Broke my nose 2 years ago, rocked up, got seen within 15 mins, cost $0.

Broke my wrist last year, rocked up, got seen straight away, cost $0.

Had a lump, had to get major surgery, got it the next day, had a week stay in hospital and it cost me $0.

I have health insurance, but have never been asked for it and in fact half the time they don't even ask my name.. the public system here is more than ok. I have a hard time believing that the richest country in the world can't even provide healthcare for it's people. You have 3rd world countries with a better healthcare system than you have. My insurance for a month stay over there is more than I pay per year for my health insurance here.

kane · 07-31-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yeah, the government is going to be doling out the dollars. I am sure.

I think they might fund it, but not as a for-profit business. Basically they pay costs and salary, but nothing on top of that.

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Not going to argue with you there, just stating the fact that apparently investors have been holding back for several months because they don't know what is going to happen next.

I can see how that would be. I wouldn't invest in something if I thought in a few months my money would be gone and there would be no chance of every getting anything in return.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Reading between the lines, I think these investors are realizing that the obscene profits available in medicine may evaporate and are plotting where they're going to drop their pallets of cash next. They don't want just a healthy return when they can have an obscene return. I cannot fault them for that, but they should call it for what it is.

There is a reason our health system is the best money can buy. Because they get a healthy return on it. Yeah. You have a problem with that? Where do you think we would be if investors did not make bank on things like medical research?

Why do you think Communism doesn't work? Lack of incentive.

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The government can't even get this cash for clunkers program running smoothly, you think they can manage our health care lol

No kidding.

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Cut my thumb half off 4 years ago, rocked up to hospital was seen after 10 mins and fixed. Cost $0.

Broke my nose 2 years ago, rocked up, got seen within 15 mins, cost $0.

Broke my wrist last year, rocked up, got seen straight away, cost $0.

Had a lump, had to get major surgery, got it the next day, had a week stay in hospital and it cost me $0.

I have health insurance, but have never been asked for it and in fact half the time they don't even ask my name.. the public system here is more than ok. I have a hard time believing that the richest country in the world can't even provide healthcare for it's people. You have 3rd world countries with a better healthcare system than you have. My insurance for a month stay over there is more than I pay per year for my health insurance here.

Australia ? Population: 21,007,310 (July 2008 est.)
Canada ? Population: 33,212,696 (July 2008 est.)
United States ? Population: 304,059,724 - Jul 2008

Exotic Gold · 07-31-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

Anyway you are completely full of shit. I have several friends who work in pharma in Silicon Valley and they are doling out loyalty bonuses and perks like never before because the headhunting is at an all time high.

I call shenanigans.

A close personal friend was offered a $50k retention bonus and an ownership stake in the r&d company he works for. The don't do that shit if the money isn't flowing.

STAROTICA · 07-31-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

thats what the indians (the woo woo's not the "welcome to 7-11" indians) and you see how that turned out for them...

baddog · 07-31-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Exotic Gold

Anyway you are completely full of shit.

Fuck you. You think I just sat here and made up this story? Go fuck yourself.

STAROTICA · 07-31-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

Yes, casinos were the least we could give them after stealing there land and mass murdering their people. It always amuses me how we place so much emphasis on the holocaust and slavery, yet we always seem to forget about native americans.

The fact of the matter is that even with casinos, the majority of indians live well below the poverty line..

I guess corruption embraces all colors...

hey they got.............Custer's Last Stand

BlackCrayon · 07-31-2009, 09:11 PM

uh, yeah... there is no more money in pharma anymore. guberment took it over.

Exotic Gold · 07-31-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck you. You think I just sat here and made up this story? Go fuck yourself.

Yeah I think you made up some bullshit talking point to post your stupid anti-healthcare rant. I have several college friends who work in pharma research and between headhunters from Switzerland and Germany and poaching in San Jose, they are awash in cash.

These guys are working 50-60 hour weeks to keep up with demand.

BlackCrayon · 07-31-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is a reason our health system is the best money can buy. Because they get a healthy return on it. Yeah. You have a problem with that? Where do you think we would be if investors did not make bank on things like medical research?

Why do you think Communism doesn't work? Lack of incentive.

No kidding.

Australia ? Population: 21,007,310 (July 2008 est.)
Canada ? Population: 33,212,696 (July 2008 est.)
United States ? Population: 304,059,724 - Jul 2008

I don't see what population has to do with it. health care is paid for by taxes, the more people the more taxes..so whats the problem?

baddog · 07-31-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Exotic Gold

Yeah I think you made up some bullshit talking point to post your stupid anti-healthcare rant. I have several college friends who work in pharma research and between headhunters from Switzerland and Germany and poaching in San Jose, they are awash in cash.

These guys are working 50-60 hour weeks to keep up with demand.

You are a fucking idiot.

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I don't see what population has to do with it. health care is paid for by taxes, the more people the more taxes..so whats the problem?

Really? You don't think the waiting lines will be any different?

TheSenator · 07-31-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

sssshhh..... I am shorten stocks right now that have to do with health care.

Just make me more money so that I can pay off a few things.

Exotic Gold · 07-31-2009, 09:15 PM

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You are a fucking idiot.

I'm an idiot because I hung out with chem-dorks in college?

Guilty as charged I guess.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Exotic Gold

I'm an idiot because I hung out with chem-dorks in college?

Guilty as charged I guess.

You are an idiot if you think I am making up a story about a private medical research facility in CA that is hurting because investors are anxious about what Obama will do.

Yes, you are a fucking idiot.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

I was informed you probably came to that conclusion based on Michael Moore's film rather than any personal knowledge. True?

Exotic Gold · 07-31-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are an idiot if you think I am making up a story about a private medical research facility in CA that is hurting because investors are anxious about what Obama will do.

Yes, you are a fucking idiot.

I know you are lying because I have close friends in the industry.

Just give it up.

BlackCrayon · 07-31-2009, 09:27 PM

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You are a fucking idiot.

Really? You don't think the waiting lines will be any different?

Do you think health care facilities will just close up shop because they are getting paid from the government instead of insurance companies? There would need to be a lot of studies and a lot of adjustments done over time to fine tune how the system would work best for everyone but there is still money to be made and if you have enough hospitals/clinics to support the population that would be virtually a non issue.

theking · 07-31-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I am hearing from friends they are receiving letters from their doctors saying they will close their practice if Obama's health "care" passes.

The President and his administration does not have a health care plan. They did not present one to congress. Congress...the House and the Senate...are working on a health care plan which the President may or may not sign... if and when the plan is passed by Congress. He will probably sign it but it will depend on the plan if it is ever passed.

Exotic Gold · 07-31-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are an idiot if you think I am making up a story about a private medical research facility in CA that is hurting because investors are anxious about what Obama will do.

Yes, you are a fucking idiot.

Here's how I know you are lying - two parts. Look at your original post:

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Originally Posted by baddog

A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

Any legislation you may be talking about has come to light very recently, this week, last week, last month.

Pharma research is funded years out. From prototyping to production modeling, it takes YEARS of R&D to bring a product to market. So no news released this month is going to have any effect on a project commissioned and funded years in advance. Anything anyone is working on now was probably funded before Obama even took office and with the baby boomers retiring, there are zillions to be made.

Second part, big pharma is IN FAVOR of the Obama plan. Before it was even put on the table pharma lobbyists got everything they wanted and it's off the table. If you watched any tv at all you'd have seen the ad buys PHARMA has put in place IN FAVOR of healthcare reform.

Consider yourself owned, have a warm milk and hit the sheets.

Why don't you try posting this shit on Free Republic, they eat it up.

bizasusual · 07-31-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

I hope your joking .... have you ever talked to anyone in a country with socialized medicine? Right to choose a physician .... gone ..... need a kidney transplant .... you'll be waiting an eternity .... and staying in the hospital while you wait probably .... everything you know of now with medicine as far as care will get 10 x's worse .... ask anyone who has it and they'll bitch about it.

directfiesta · 07-31-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Consider the source:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

Here is what the Founder and President of that organization, Brent "Bozo" Bozell, recently wrote about the CNBC documentary "Porn: Business of Pleasure":

Here is a link to the "Porn: Business-of-Pleasure" program

ADG

Do you mean that the head of this super reliable source, a fair and balanced republican, does not like ( weak word ..) the pornographers that post here ???

Hummmm... cannot be true ... because they like him ....

bizasusual · 07-31-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I am hearing from friends they are receiving letters from their doctors saying they will close their practice if Obama's health "care" passes.

It won't only be physicians .... I'm in physical therapy .... and I guarantee you phys therapists, occupational therapist, Speech Therapists, and many other careers will suffer from his plan. Basically , any field that benefits from insurance reimbursement will be crushed.

baddog · 07-31-2009, 10:01 PM

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Do you think health care facilities will just close up shop because they are getting paid from the government instead of insurance companies?

R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H will grind to a halt if people can't make a dime on it. Government can't afford to do the research these places do.

You want to leave cancer research to the government?

Rangermoore · 08-01-2009, 12:49 AM

Just like a Jarhead to whine about shots...

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I know right!! I remember when I arrived in Paris Island I was given so many shots... they literally swab up and down both arms and legs and then you go through a line with about 18 stations... each one gives you a different shot... who the fuck knows what was in those things...

Not to mention deploying to another country where you get at least an 8 shot series... don't even get me started on the Anthrax vaccination that I got all 6 shots in the series for... people that refused were stripped of rank and pay. Then months later when they said, "Opps! It may cause birth defects and not really be effective and we don't know the proper dosage" everyone that refused was given their rank and pay back.

For those of you that don't know that 6 shot series is brutal. It gives most people horrible nightmares from which you wake up in a pool of your own sweat... Many peoples' arms swell to over twice their normal size and whatever arm you were vaccinated in is useless for about two days... that's FUCKED up.

Rangermoore · 08-01-2009, 12:51 AM

I have great health care...I don't need black jesus messing with it...Or maybe I mess with him..

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What would you prefer Obama does regarding health care reform? Nothing right?

Rangermoore · 08-01-2009, 12:52 AM

What a load of crap

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

"Unfortunately, most health care "reform'' proposals either make marginal changes or exacerbate the problem. This is because they fail to address the root of the problem with health care, which is that government polices encourage excessive reliance on third-party payers. The excessive reliance on third-party payers removes all incentive from individual patients to concern themselves with health care costs. Laws and policies promoting Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) resulted from a desperate attempt to control spiraling costs. However, instead of promoting an efficient health care system, HMOs further took control over health care away from the individual patient and physician.

Furthermore, the predominance of third-party payers means there is effectively no market for individual health insurance polices, thus those whose employers cannot offer them health benefits must either pay exorbitant fees for health insurance or do without health insurance. Since most health care providers cater to those with health insurance, it is very difficult for the uninsured to find health care that meets their needs at an affordable price. The result is many of the uninsured turn to government-funded health care systems, or use their local emergency room as their primary care physician. The result of this is declining health for the uninsured and increased burden on taxpayer-financed health care system.

Returning control over health care to the individual is the key to true health care reform. The Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act puts control of health care back into the hands of the individual through tax credits, tax deductions, Health Care Savings Accounts (HSA), and Flexible Savings Accounts. By giving individuals tax incentives to purchase their own health care, the Comprehensive Health Care Act will help more Americans obtain quality health insurance and health care. Specifically, the Comprehensive Health Care Act:

A. Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100 percent of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes.

B. Allows individuals to roll over unused amounts in cafeteria plans and Flexible Savings Accounts (FSA).

C. Makes every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), removes the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy to open an HSA; allows individuals to use their HSA to make premiums payments for high-deductible policy; and allows senior citizens to use their HSA to purchase Medigap policies.

D. Repeals the 7.5 percent threshold for the deduction of medical expenses, thus making all medical expenses tax deductible.

By providing a wide range of options, this bill allows individual Americans to choose the method of financing health care that best suits their individual needs. Increasing frustration with the current health care system is leading more and more Americans to embrace this approach to health care reform. For example, a poll by the respected Zogby firm showed that over 80 percent of Americans support providing all Americans with access to a Health Savings Account. I hope all my colleagues will join this effort to put individuals back in control of health care by cosponsoring the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act. "

Rangermoore · 08-01-2009, 01:06 AM

Here is the link to obamas great plan..maybe people should read it...all 1,000 pages of crap... http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

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