A Scamming Affiliate or Not - GoFuckYourself.com

ParlourCash Karl · 08-14-2009, 10:22 AM

Our site has been online since 2003 now, but we only started our affiliate program recently. Affiliates are slowish to sign up but the ones that have are mostly doing pretty well. Last week our top affiliate cleared $244.22 on smallish amount of traffic. Most of our affiliates are doing anywhere from $24 - $100 per wek, some less with very little traffic. Hopefully more affiliates will sign up this week.

Now the problem is that two days ago we had an affiliate sign up, he got a sale on his very first hit and then proceeded to get 2 more sales off 4 hits, all sales were for the $99.95 membership. When we have a sign up on the first hit we always watch - his sign up ration it seems pretty amazing on such a few hits, we have had affiliates getting a sale on their first 2 or 3 hits and then another a few hits later but then it does normally pan out to a decent ratio.

Now the next weird part is that none of the names used for passwords have accessed the site, normally once a sign up is cleared they log on immeditely, but not here.....not one log onto the site since they joined. The countries for sign up are France and one US.

Another strange issue is that all the membership usernames start with the same letter.

Our affiliate program is run through Epoch and his payout he set at $200, he has nearly reached that already in only 2 days. Not one single hit from him today for day 3.

What are your thoughts on this, now don't get us wrong we would love it if it is genuine, but would also hate to have it all charged back once he has done his draw.

What would be the best way to find out if it is a scam or genuine. He is from Morocco is that strange for that sign up ratio. He is the only affiliate we have from that part of the world, most others are Europe, UK, US and Canada.

Any advice given in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Beanz · 08-14-2009, 10:26 AM

Hit me up on ICQ, I'll try and help you out.

SykkBoy · 08-14-2009, 10:29 AM

99% chance he's cheating...
how many people are going to pay for a $100 membership and not login a single time? It would be few and far between and in this case it happened more than once...

ParlourCash Karl · 08-14-2009, 10:29 AM

Thanks Beanz hitting you up now

koreanbbque · 08-14-2009, 10:32 AM

1) Check the last login time of those members. Usually CC theft peeps will not bother to login after purchase.

2) Are you basing the country signup from IP or from user info when they purchase?

3) contact epoch risk/fraud dept and they'll tell you what's up.

4) Could be PH chatters too. No referring url and 1:1 signup ratio.

Dirty D · 08-14-2009, 10:39 AM

Shut his account off immediately.

This is fraud for sure.

Lace · 08-14-2009, 10:43 AM

I'd say fraud without a doubt.

NoWhErE · 08-14-2009, 10:46 AM

sounds like fraud to me.

what kind of traffic would be 100$ members at a 1:4 ratio?

D Ghost · 08-14-2009, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

99% chance he's cheating...
how many people are going to pay for a $100 membership and not login a single time? It would be few and far between and in this case it happened more than once...

yep

JamesK · 08-14-2009, 10:51 AM

yep ban his ass

stever · 08-14-2009, 10:54 AM

since you are on epoch
its easy for you

contact them with the member id of each subscription
they will tell you right away...and refund the transactions to avoid cbs + block the reseller on their end

Cyber Fucker · 08-14-2009, 10:56 AM

sounds like a fraud to me too...

KillerK · 08-14-2009, 11:03 AM

I'd go with Fraud... Nobody has the first hit be a sale.

Wizzo · 08-14-2009, 11:05 AM

Sounds like you got some Vietnam cheaters...

woj · 08-14-2009, 11:07 AM

yea, probably fraud

iSpyCams · 08-14-2009, 11:12 AM

Did you check the referral URL's?

Sounds like fraud to me, on a $100 signup those ratios are too good even for chat traffic.

Phil · 08-14-2009, 11:16 AM

you kidding, right? This is a bad as it gets. How many signs do you need?

ParlourCash Karl · 08-14-2009, 11:17 AM

Thanks Guys, yep contacted Epoch and they are looking into it right now, they will let me know shortly, at least we caught it before it was too late.

Many Thanks to Beanz for your help, much appreciated.

Definitely looks like fraud, we will let you know as soon as Epoch comes back to us, they said it would be soon.

Once it gets proved to be fraud we will post the info for you.

is OK to post a fraudulant transaction on here giving name etc or not?

Easton · 08-14-2009, 11:26 AM

if you even have to ask yourself whether it's fraud or not, it is

SeanLEE · 08-14-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Shut his account off immediately.

This is fraud for sure.

funny, funny , funny

The Ghost · 08-14-2009, 11:38 AM

I'd advise removing the $99 option. Over the long haul it will cause more problems than it's worth.

alexchechs · 08-14-2009, 11:41 AM

Seems really sketchy... definitly turn his account off...

ParlourCash Karl · 08-14-2009, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

I'd advise removing the $99 option. Over the long haul it will cause more problems than it's worth.

I never looked at it that way, our $99. is pretty popular, chargebacks could be a problem at that price. We are not used to chargebacks, I see what you are saying. Anyone else think it's agood idea to remove the $99.

Thanks for the advice.

seeandsee · 08-14-2009, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Shut his account off immediately.

This is fraud for sure.

99./99999999%

08-14-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danielles Parlour

Thanks Guys, yep contacted Epoch and they are looking into it right now, they will let me know shortly, at least we caught it before it was too late.

Many Thanks to Beanz for your help, much appreciated.

Definitely looks like fraud, we will let you know as soon as Epoch comes back to us, they said it would be soon.

Once it gets proved to be fraud we will post the info for you.

is OK to post a fraudulant transaction on here giving name etc or not?

Keep us posted

fujiko · 08-14-2009, 12:16 PM

dont wait .. cancel him now.
u are better safe than sorry.

ParlourCash Karl · 08-14-2009, 12:39 PM

He has been cancelled, not long after this thread started a couple of hours ago. Epoch are still working on sorting it out. I will post the info once Epoch has confirmed everything.

james_clickmemedia · 08-14-2009, 12:40 PM

Many fraud flags from what you said.

Dirty Dane · 08-14-2009, 12:50 PM

Yes, sounds like fraud.
However great ratios on new affiliates do not automatically mean fraud. When a new site is announced on promo sites, often result in instant signups, if you have quality and returning traffic. My account was locked recently from a new program, suspicious one, and I had to explain this

papill0n · 08-14-2009, 03:01 PM

Not wanting to be harsh Danielle but if you cant work out that is fraud then there is something seriously wrong.

matrix_x · 08-14-2009, 03:09 PM

Guaranteed fraud!!!

SiMpLe · 08-14-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Shut his account off immediately.

This is fraud for sure.

Agreed!!

SiMpLe · 08-14-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

Many fraud flags from what you said.

Agreed x2!

TyroneGoldberg · 08-14-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danielles Parlour

. He is from Morocco

enough said.

ban him and whoever else signed up from Morocco, fucking crooks.

Blazing · 08-14-2009, 04:43 PM

100% fraud... Do Not pass Go.. Do not hand out $200.00

Send him directly to BANNED!!!

You pointed out all the red flag fraud signals....

1) New affiliate with less than 1:50 conv ratio

2) All sales are at the highest price point. and, he is no doubt on Revshare

3) Members did not login to members area

4) Hits miraculously stop after he reaches his payout threshhold, until he gets paid, then continues... so.. lets see.. after convertin in 1:10, he doesnt like those numbers and takes down the links or traffic??? No fricken way!!!

5) Username consistancy with all members under affiliate. ( Impossible!! )

Looks like the only other red flag you didnt mention is that his payout option is.. ePassporte??? I bet a buck it is!!!

We usually see a few of these idiots every month.. when these red flags appear.. I dont hesitate to nuke the basturd!!

MrMaxwell · 08-14-2009, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danielles Parlour

Our site has been online since 2003 now, but we only started our affiliate program recently. Affiliates are slowish to sign up but the ones that have are mostly doing pretty well. Last week our top affiliate cleared $244.22 on smallish amount of traffic. Most of our affiliates are doing anywhere from $24 - $100 per wek, some less with very little traffic. Hopefully more affiliates will sign up this week.

Now the problem is that two days ago we had an affiliate sign up, he got a sale on his very first hit and then proceeded to get 2 more sales off 4 hits, all sales were for the $99.95 membership. When we have a sign up on the first hit we always watch - his sign up ration it seems pretty amazing on such a few hits, we have had affiliates getting a sale on their first 2 or 3 hits and then another a few hits later but then it does normally pan out to a decent ratio.

Now the next weird part is that none of the names used for passwords have accessed the site, normally once a sign up is cleared they log on immeditely, but not here.....not one log onto the site since they joined. The countries for sign up are France and one US.

Another strange issue is that all the membership usernames start with the same letter.

Our affiliate program is run through Epoch and his payout he set at $200, he has nearly reached that already in only 2 days. Not one single hit from him today for day 3.

What are your thoughts on this, now don't get us wrong we would love it if it is genuine, but would also hate to have it all charged back once he has done his draw.

What would be the best way to find out if it is a scam or genuine. He is from Morocco is that strange for that sign up ratio. He is the only affiliate we have from that part of the world, most others are Europe, UK, US and Canada.

Any advice given in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

This is the most ridiculously obvious fraud there could ever be.
Even the .0000000001% possible explanation.. that is.. guys doing test sign-ups well hell they would have AT LEAST varied the amount/logins and AT LEAST have notified you.

pornguy · 08-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

sounds like fraud to me.

what kind of traffic would be 100$ members at a 1:4 ratio?

Chat traffic.

MrMaxwell · 08-14-2009, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

Chat traffic.

Man..
I remember IRC traffic being fucking GOOD..
GOLD for those almost $1 e-mail collectors..
Then you stack on there three sponsors..
And they would literally sign up for all three
Maybe 1:25 idiots would sign up!
Heh
I just advertised it on my fserve..
Not of this you have to go there to get on my server
It was in my welcome message which was also sent with dcc send (direct client to client! yay!)

"Hey I found these things that give you free porn pictures, right in your e-mail!!"
"Can you imagine"

Or it said something

What the fuck ever happened to that Jim Churillo ... Grrrr
I think I had xxx-e-mail.com ..

The good old days
I ramble when I am tired
Sorry

Iron Fist · 08-14-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danielles Parlour

I never looked at it that way, our $99. is pretty popular, chargebacks could be a problem at that price. We are not used to chargebacks, I see what you are saying. Anyone else think it's agood idea to remove the $99.

Thanks for the advice.

It's a good idea because you didn't have an affiliate program before, and now you do... all of your fraudulent signups will be at the $99 price point... like you said.. 4 signups and you've paid it out to the fraudster. Do that just once, and your site will be crawling with them... they communicate through underground boards and private invite only ICQ chat channels. You'd be amazed how many open proxies they use to do the signups from.

One thing to always consider is this... scammers have no patience whatsoever.

SomeCreep · 08-14-2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danielles Parlour

He is from Morocco

That's all you had to say. It's fraud.

Shoehorn! · 08-15-2009, 12:01 AM

Sounds like fraud for sure.

ParlourCash Karl · 08-15-2009, 12:52 AM

Yes just heard back from Epoch and definitely Fraud.

Thanks for the advice on the $99.95 I will be taking it down today that's for sure. 4 x $99.95 scams and we just refunded $399. today for it. Atleast we caught it straight away before it ran wild.

I will start a new post later with the names and ifo etc... plus the proof from Epoch about it being Fraud.

Thanks again for all the input, much apreciated.

ParlourCash Karl · 08-15-2009, 01:01 AM

Just Pulled the $99.95 Sign Up Option.

Thanks for the advice.

Fabien · 08-15-2009, 05:38 AM

Danielle

You should protect your webmaster content (promo stuff)
Surfers can get their hands on it very easily

Do a search for .htaccess and protecting a directory.

08-14-2009, 10:22 AM	#1
ParlourCash Karl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 438	A Scamming Affiliate or Not Our site has been online since 2003 now, but we only started our affiliate program recently. Affiliates are slowish to sign up but the ones that have are mostly doing pretty well. Last week our top affiliate cleared $244.22 on smallish amount of traffic. Most of our affiliates are doing anywhere from $24 - $100 per wek, some less with very little traffic. Hopefully more affiliates will sign up this week. Now the problem is that two days ago we had an affiliate sign up, he got a sale on his very first hit and then proceeded to get 2 more sales off 4 hits, all sales were for the $99.95 membership. When we have a sign up on the first hit we always watch - his sign up ration it seems pretty amazing on such a few hits, we have had affiliates getting a sale on their first 2 or 3 hits and then another a few hits later but then it does normally pan out to a decent ratio. Now the next weird part is that none of the names used for passwords have accessed the site, normally once a sign up is cleared they log on immeditely, but not here.....not one log onto the site since they joined. The countries for sign up are France and one US. Another strange issue is that all the membership usernames start with the same letter. Our affiliate program is run through Epoch and his payout he set at $200, he has nearly reached that already in only 2 days. Not one single hit from him today for day 3. What are your thoughts on this, now don't get us wrong we would love it if it is genuine, but would also hate to have it all charged back once he has done his draw. What would be the best way to find out if it is a scam or genuine. He is from Morocco is that strange for that sign up ratio. He is the only affiliate we have from that part of the world, most others are Europe, UK, US and Canada. Any advice given in this matter will be greatly appreciated. __________________ www.ParlourCash.com

08-14-2009, 10:26 AM	#2
Beanz Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 238	Hit me up on ICQ, I'll try and help you out. __________________ ICQ: 400782448 MoHawkSteve: jager good MoHawkSteve: I don't drink it though, my mohawk does

08-14-2009, 10:29 AM	#4
ParlourCash Karl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 438	Thanks Beanz hitting you up now __________________ www.ParlourCash.com

08-14-2009, 10:32 AM	#5
koreanbbque Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Riverside and San Diego Posts: 688	1) Check the last login time of those members. Usually CC theft peeps will not bother to login after purchase. 2) Are you basing the country signup from IP or from user info when they purchase? 3) contact epoch risk/fraud dept and they'll tell you what's up. 4) Could be PH chatters too. No referring url and 1:1 signup ratio. __________________ KBBQ 2 3 1 6 1 8 8 1 6

08-14-2009, 10:39 AM	#6
Dirty D Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paying Webmasters Millions Since 1999 Posts: 4,044	Shut his account off immediately. This is fraud for sure. __________________ Dirty D - ICQ #1326843 - $1 Million Dollars of Bonus Money - 8,000+ FHG! Glory Hole Girlz - Crack Whore Confessions - Tampa Bukkake - Slut Wife Training - Fuck a Fan Electricity Play - Porn Video Drive - Theater Sluts - Skunk Riley - Ukraine Amateurs - Strapon Sessions

08-14-2009, 10:29 AM	#3
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	99% chance he's cheating... how many people are going to pay for a $100 membership and not login a single time? It would be few and far between and in this case it happened more than once...

08-14-2009, 10:43 AM	#7
Lace Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,116	I'd say fraud without a doubt. __________________ Your Paysite Partner Strength In Numbers! StickyDollars \| RadicalCash \| KennysPennies \| HomegrownCash

08-14-2009, 10:46 AM	#8
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,211	sounds like fraud to me. what kind of traffic would be 100$ members at a 1:4 ratio? __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

08-14-2009, 10:51 AM	#10
JamesK hi Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,731	yep ban his ass __________________ M3Server - NATS Hosting

08-14-2009, 10:54 AM	#11
stever Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,715	since you are on epoch its easy for you contact them with the member id of each subscription they will tell you right away...and refund the transactions to avoid cbs + block the reseller on their end __________________ Brutal Bucks has extreme sites that convert!

08-14-2009, 10:56 AM	#12
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	sounds like a fraud to me too... __________________

08-14-2009, 11:03 AM	#13
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	I'd go with Fraud... Nobody has the first hit be a sale.

08-14-2009, 11:05 AM	#14
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,226	Sounds like you got some Vietnam cheaters... __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

08-14-2009, 11:07 AM	#15
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	yea, probably fraud __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

08-14-2009, 11:12 AM	#16
iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	Did you check the referral URL's? Sounds like fraud to me, on a $100 signup those ratios are too good even for chat traffic.

08-14-2009, 11:16 AM	#17
Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,659	you kidding, right? This is a bad as it gets. How many signs do you need? __________________ Ask Phil

08-14-2009, 11:17 AM	#18
ParlourCash Karl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 438	Thanks Guys, yep contacted Epoch and they are looking into it right now, they will let me know shortly, at least we caught it before it was too late. Many Thanks to Beanz for your help, much appreciated. Definitely looks like fraud, we will let you know as soon as Epoch comes back to us, they said it would be soon. Once it gets proved to be fraud we will post the info for you. is OK to post a fraudulant transaction on here giving name etc or not? __________________ www.ParlourCash.com

08-14-2009, 11:26 AM	#19
Easton Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,825	if you even have to ask yourself whether it's fraud or not, it is __________________ New models booked and shot every week... MILFs, pornstars and teens. Girls for every niche and project. Looking for high-quality affordable exclusive content? Check me out at Easton Content for all the details.

08-14-2009, 11:38 AM	#21
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	I'd advise removing the $99 option. Over the long haul it will cause more problems than it's worth. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

08-14-2009, 11:41 AM	#22
alexchechs Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: BROOKLYN!!! Posts: 3,474	Seems really sketchy... definitly turn his account off... __________________ Alex Chechs http://thefawnconspiracy.com

08-14-2009, 12:16 PM	#26
fujiko Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 566	dont wait .. cancel him now. u are better safe than sorry. __________________ .

08-14-2009, 12:39 PM	#27
ParlourCash Karl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 438	He has been cancelled, not long after this thread started a couple of hours ago. Epoch are still working on sorting it out. I will post the info once Epoch has confirmed everything. __________________ www.ParlourCash.com

08-14-2009, 12:40 PM	#28
james_clickmemedia Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Texas / London Posts: 2,204	Many fraud flags from what you said. __________________ $ CLICKMEMEDIA.COM $ CONVERTING ETHNIC TRAFFIC SINCE 1998 ~ $30+PPS BLACK-X.COM - NEW BLACK EX-GF SITE CLICKMEMEDIA.COM ~ ICQ - 8788771

08-14-2009, 12:50 PM	#29
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Yes, sounds like fraud. However great ratios on new affiliates do not automatically mean fraud. When a new site is announced on promo sites, often result in instant signups, if you have quality and returning traffic. My account was locked recently from a new program, suspicious one, and I had to explain this

08-14-2009, 03:01 PM	#30
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	Not wanting to be harsh Danielle but if you cant work out that is fraud then there is something seriously wrong.

08-14-2009, 03:09 PM	#31
matrix_x Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 64	Guaranteed fraud!!!

08-14-2009, 04:43 PM	#35
Blazing Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Irvine, CA, USA Posts: 1,665	100% fraud... Do Not pass Go.. Do not hand out $200.00 Send him directly to BANNED!!! You pointed out all the red flag fraud signals.... 1) New affiliate with less than 1:50 conv ratio 2) All sales are at the highest price point. and, he is no doubt on Revshare 3) Members did not login to members area 4) Hits miraculously stop after he reaches his payout threshhold, until he gets paid, then continues... so.. lets see.. after convertin in 1:10, he doesnt like those numbers and takes down the links or traffic??? No fricken way!!! 5) Username consistancy with all members under affiliate. ( Impossible!! ) Looks like the only other red flag you didnt mention is that his payout option is.. ePassporte??? I bet a buck it is!!! We usually see a few of these idiots every month.. when these red flags appear.. I dont hesitate to nuke the basturd!! __________________ [email protected] ICQ 7703879

08-15-2009, 12:01 AM	#41
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	Sounds like fraud for sure. __________________

08-15-2009, 12:52 AM	#42
ParlourCash Karl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 438	Yes just heard back from Epoch and definitely Fraud. Thanks for the advice on the $99.95 I will be taking it down today that's for sure. 4 x $99.95 scams and we just refunded $399. today for it. Atleast we caught it straight away before it ran wild. I will start a new post later with the names and ifo etc... plus the proof from Epoch about it being Fraud. Thanks again for all the input, much apreciated. __________________ www.ParlourCash.com

08-15-2009, 01:01 AM	#43
ParlourCash Karl Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 438	Just Pulled the $99.95 Sign Up Option. Thanks for the advice. __________________ www.ParlourCash.com

08-15-2009, 05:38 AM	#44
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Danielle You should protect your webmaster content (promo stuff) Surfers can get their hands on it very easily Do a search for .htaccess and protecting a directory.