Canadian health-care system is Fucked ? - GoFuckYourself.com

spunkmaster · 08-16-2009, 08:36 PM

SASKATOON ? The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...335rGu_Z3KXoQw

baddog · 08-16-2009, 08:52 PM

That's impossible. I was just reading on GFY this morning that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Canadian health care system . . . . even though my Canadian friends say otherwise.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

That's impossible. I was just reading on GFY this morning that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Canadian health care system . . . . even though my Canadian friends say otherwise.

Well, perhaps you need a health care system that would provide you with glasses so you could read.

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 08:56 PM

yep its working great here.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...provider=gnews

ottyhotties · 08-16-2009, 08:57 PM

I was recently told on GFY Canada had no waiting lines and treat cancer better than the USA. This has to come from some vast right wing non American Republican conspiracy in Canada.

baddog · 08-16-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

yep its working great here.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...provider=gnews

What does that have to do with the Canadian health care system?

brassmonkey · 08-16-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Well, perhaps you need a health care system that would provide you with glasses so you could read.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-16-2009, 10:00 PM

My Canadian friends tell me the Canadian health care system SUCKS.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

My Canadian friends tell me the Canadian health care system SUCKS.

So both of them think the whole system sucks. Didn't say why but now you think it sucks. My German friends think Adof Hitler was a humanitarian. I guess I gotta believe them. Don't be so lame. Put up or shut up.

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 10:03 PM

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/04...ointsurvey.htm
seems from this survey by the nonpartisan cdc says different that our brothers in the great white north are pretty happy with their care.

GatorB · 08-16-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

SASKATOON

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

yeah do it like America. If your poor and sick you deserve to die so doctors can treat people that actually matter. The less poor people the less welfare. win-win

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He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Or an incentive for hospitals to provide unnecessary tests, treatments and stays so they can get more money. Like they do in America.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/04...ointsurvey.htm
seems from this survey by the nonpartisan cdc says different that our brothers in the great white north are pretty happy with their care.

It did?.....

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

yeah do it like America. If your poor and sick you deserve to die so doctors can treat people that actually matter. The less poor people the less welfare. win-win

Or an incentive for hospitals to provide unnecessary tests, treatments and stays so they can get more money. Like they do in America.

You are so right. When my father was dying. He was in for treatments weekly at this hospital.For chemo and radiation, they were taking tests and monitoring all the time. My fathers legs gave out of him they rushed him to the hospital. Immediately they wanted to do a battery of tests, that were performed 4 days earlier. My mother told them no go look in your fucking computer.They werent happy about that but they looked and had all the tests they would of put him thru again.

LadyMischief · 08-16-2009, 11:02 PM

The system is indeed flawed, but it's not as prohibitive as the american system. I welcome an overhaul.

jact · 08-16-2009, 11:08 PM

I've had a bleeding ulcer for 4 months, it took me 3 months to get into the specialist. It's another 2 months from now to get the endoscopy to find and treat the ulcer, then it's another 1-3 months to follow up with the specialist on my treatment.

In the meantime, my ulcer has caused me to develop an extremely painful hernia in my lower left abdomen where a fist sized chunk of my intestines are just hanging out, outside of my abdomen muscle wall. Will require surgery, but first I have to get an ultrasound. 10 day wait for that. Then I have to get into a specialist, 90 day wait for that. Then I have to book surgery, who knows how long of a wait for that.

Tell me that the Canadian health care system is working, please, I beg you.

spunkmaster · 08-17-2009, 12:20 AM

Does Canada have some kind of system where some people get higher on the list ?

It seems some people get to the care ASAP but others have horror stories ?

I know someone who was on vacation in the UK and their daughter got ill and needed an operation or she would die. She couldn't fly until it was done and they waited there for about 6 weeks for a life threatening operation and then paid someone $20,000 and bam she got the operation within a few days and was back in the states a week later !

BlackCrayon · 08-17-2009, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

My Canadian friends tell me the Canadian health care system SUCKS.

Republicans always have these friends who complain about the system. Oh, there is always something to complain about sure but where I live, I can be in and out of a clinic without any appointment within an hour most of the time. ER's arent so fast but thats why there are clinics. Too many idiots go to the ER for every little thing when they should be using clinics for non immediate/emergency care.

seeandsee · 08-17-2009, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

My Canadian friends tell me the Canadian health care system SUCKS.

how them looks usa?

quiet · 08-17-2009, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Oh, there is always something to complain about sure but where I live, I can be in and out of a clinic without any appointment within an hour most of the time. ER's arent so fast but thats why there are clinics. Too many idiots go to the ER for every little thing when they should be using clinics for non immediate/emergency care.

yep, i've always said the heath care system for non-life threatening issues rocks here. it's so fast and easy to use, you don't even think about it. spending a month in a hospital back in 2004, well, that was another thing all together (not so good). atleast there wasn't a 100K bill at the end lol.

Nysus · 08-17-2009, 05:34 AM

It needs to turn more into a preventative healthcare system, rather than crisis response which costs much more.

brassmonkey · 08-17-2009, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

how them looks usa?

im guessing your not american

Jdoughs · 08-17-2009, 05:41 AM

I think that most of the people complaining are in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world, the Greater Toronto Area, which has 1/6th of Canada's total population crammed into the few townships surrounding Toronto.

Naturally its hard as fuck to get appointments or find quality care.

baddog · 08-17-2009, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I think that most of the people complaining are in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world, the Greater Toronto Area, which has 1/6th of Canada's total population crammed into the few townships surrounding Toronto.

Naturally its hard as fuck to get appointments or find quality care.

So if you live in the sticks it is an okay system? Naturally?

Iron Fist · 08-17-2009, 06:09 AM

Should have the same system as Britain....rewards based on people actually being healthy, not more tests, or meds, but actually getting bonuses for people who are living better by not being on them.

Jdoughs · 08-17-2009, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So if you live in the sticks it is an okay system? Naturally?

You tell me, you seem to know more about our system then those of us who are happy with it and use it daily (monthly, whatever).

Think what you need to think.

Jman · 08-17-2009, 06:19 AM

Well I am glad that it is actually the doctors that are recognizing this and are willing to make some changes as we all know relying on our goverment is like relying on hamsters to power GFY.

Dirty Lord · 08-17-2009, 06:22 AM

i'm from brazil!

TheStout · 08-17-2009, 07:12 AM

Some years back my large intestine was punctured. I almost died! I was rushed to the hospital and placed on the surgery bed IMMEDIATELY. They did not know who I was, they just knew they had to save me. The surgery was done by one of the best surgeons in Canada. I stayed in the hospital for about a week was told I was never going to walk again due to nerve damage. I walked about a week after I was released and have been about 95% ever since. I then had physio for 6 months. Guess how much I paid for everything? About $100 for the ambulance. I know you guys read and have friends that tell you this. But I live here and know MANY people with amazing hospital stories. The majority of the complaints (mostly from Americans who have heard from Canadians) I hear are wait times and it is usually from some person going to the hospital for something like a cold or sprained foot. Please tell me the American system is better, I beg you.

weekly · 08-17-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

I've had a bleeding ulcer for 4 months, it took me 3 months to get into the specialist. It's another 2 months from now to get the endoscopy to find and treat the ulcer, then it's another 1-3 months to follow up with the specialist on my treatment.

In the meantime, my ulcer has caused me to develop an extremely painful hernia in my lower left abdomen where a fist sized chunk of my intestines are just hanging out, outside of my abdomen muscle wall. Will require surgery, but first I have to get an ultrasound. 10 day wait for that. Then I have to get into a specialist, 90 day wait for that. Then I have to book surgery, who knows how long of a wait for that.

Tell me that the Canadian health care system is working, please, I beg you.

For every story like this, there are probably fifty successes. I have never known anyone with a critical condition to wait that long. Something is not right with this.

weekly · 08-17-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I think that most of the people complaining are in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world, the Greater Toronto Area, which has 1/6th of Canada's total population crammed into the few townships surrounding Toronto.

Naturally its hard as fuck to get appointments or find quality care.

Or you get the best. I lived in Toronto and never had any complaints.

mpahlca · 08-17-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

I've had a bleeding ulcer for 4 months, it took me 3 months to get into the specialist. It's another 2 months from now to get the endoscopy to find and treat the ulcer, then it's another 1-3 months to follow up with the specialist on my treatment.

In the meantime, my ulcer has caused me to develop an extremely painful hernia in my lower left abdomen where a fist sized chunk of my intestines are just hanging out, outside of my abdomen muscle wall. Will require surgery, but first I have to get an ultrasound. 10 day wait for that. Then I have to get into a specialist, 90 day wait for that. Then I have to book surgery, who knows how long of a wait for that.

Tell me that the Canadian health care system is working, please, I beg you.

Dude i live in the same town as you we should meet up for a water some time, but that is your doctors issue not the health care system my sister had a similar problem was taken care of MUCH faster just an fyi. Mind you she is in BC so may be a west coast vs east coast issue. I have yet to really need anything in Ontario so not sure how fast the care is here.

Agent 488 · 08-17-2009, 09:05 AM

doctors have in general always been opposed to heath care from the beginning as they could make more $ under a private system.

it's like asking a insurance company to give their opinion about the state of canadian health care.

LadyMischief · 08-17-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So if you live in the sticks it is an okay system? Naturally?

No way, most of the small towns don't even have their own doctors, and the ones that do have to go on waiting lists to get a family doctor. They generally have to drive miles to the hospital if they need any kind of medical attention.

directfiesta · 08-17-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheStout

Some years back my large intestine was punctured. I almost died! I was rushed to the hospital and placed on the surgery bed IMMEDIATELY. They did not know who I was, they just knew they had to save me. The surgery was done by one of the best surgeons in Canada. I stayed in the hospital for about a week was told I was never going to walk again due to nerve damage. I walked about a week after I was released and have been about 95% ever since. I then had physio for 6 months. Guess how much I paid for everything? About $100 for the ambulance. I know you guys read and have friends that tell you this. But I live here and know MANY people with amazing hospital stories. The majority of the complaints (mostly from Americans who have heard from Canadians) I hear are wait times and it is usually from some person going to the hospital for something like a cold or sprained foot. Please tell me the American system is better, I beg you.

You see how bad the system is .... They can't even keep their promises .... How disapointing and unprofessional .....

LadyMischief · 08-17-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by weekly

For every story like this, there are probably fifty successes. I have never known anyone with a critical condition to wait that long. Something is not right with this.

It's not all that uncommon. Unless you are like on your deathbed, things are very slow, and with the lack of medical isotopes, there's even BIGGER delays in getting testing etc. Fucking stupid govt shutting chalk river down.... dickwads.

LadyMischief · 08-17-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

Dude i live in the same town as you we should meet up for a water some time, but that is your doctors issue not the health care system my sister had a similar problem was taken care of MUCH faster just an fyi. Mind you she is in BC so may be a west coast vs east coast issue. I have yet to really need anything in Ontario so not sure how fast the care is here.

just let us know we'd be happy to have ya

LadyMischief · 08-17-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheStout

Some years back my large intestine was punctured. I almost died! I was rushed to the hospital and placed on the surgery bed IMMEDIATELY. They did not know who I was, they just knew they had to save me. The surgery was done by one of the best surgeons in Canada. I stayed in the hospital for about a week was told I was never going to walk again due to nerve damage. I walked about a week after I was released and have been about 95% ever since. I then had physio for 6 months. Guess how much I paid for everything? About $100 for the ambulance. I know you guys read and have friends that tell you this. But I live here and know MANY people with amazing hospital stories. The majority of the complaints (mostly from Americans who have heard from Canadians) I hear are wait times and it is usually from some person going to the hospital for something like a cold or sprained foot. Please tell me the American system is better, I beg you.

Yep it's all the people that don't have their own doctors they have to go to the ER and clog it up for everyone else. I had to have emergency surgery a month or so ago, and with all the waiting behind everyone else, I almost died. It was an ugly thing.. 18 hours in the er behind people with the sniffles, and when the surgeon removed my gallbladder finally, he said if the surgery hadn't been done within an hour or two, he was pretty sure it would have ruptured.. and considering I have a genetic bleeding disorder, there would have been very little they could have done at that point to stop the bleed. It was such a horrible experience, and I got such terrible treatment from the nurses, we will be following up with legal action. Even other patients were coming up to us saying "Wow you are in bad shape and they aren't doing squat, if you need to sue or need a witness, here's my number". It was a HORROR story.

Agent 488 · 08-17-2009, 09:21 AM

i have seen the health care system from the inside over the last five ears due to family issues and the care has been impeccable.

sure some people fall through the cracks - but that is just the nature of any bureaucracy. most of the people you see complaining are professional whiners and nutjobs.

Martin · 08-17-2009, 09:23 AM

Health Care System is fine in Canada. It's not perfect, but if you get sick you WILL be taken care of..

TheStout · 08-17-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You see how bad the system is .... They can't even keep their promises .... How disapointing and unprofessional .....

lol. I always think back and they probably just said that to motivate me or something. I was walking with crutches after one week it took a couple months to get moving and build my muscles back up.

weekly · 08-17-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Yep it's all the people that don't have their own doctors they have to go to the ER and clog it up for everyone else. I had to have emergency surgery a month or so ago, and with all the waiting behind everyone else, I almost died. It was an ugly thing.. 18 hours in the er behind people with the sniffles, and when the surgeon removed my gallbladder finally, he said if the surgery hadn't been done within an hour or two, he was pretty sure it would have ruptured.. and considering I have a genetic bleeding disorder, there would have been very little they could have done at that point to stop the bleed. It was such a horrible experience, and I got such terrible treatment from the nurses, we will be following up with legal action. Even other patients were coming up to us saying "Wow you are in bad shape and they aren't doing squat, if you need to sue or need a witness, here's my number". It was a HORROR story.

I could tell you just the opposite.....in Toronto as well. Not mine, but a relative that I took to Toronto East...not the fanciest facility...but as soon as they saw the condition she was triaged to the front of the line and looked after. It took hours of scopes and testing but it was done and the after care impeccable. I have seen medical care systems all over the world and have lived in England and seen the medical system in France first hand. They work. There is problems. Most of the problems are caused by those who don't pay attention to their medical needs in the first place. You know, regular check ups. Making sure you have a gp that will notice shit before you have a serious problem. Having additional private health care insurance (it has always been a two tiered system), and just understanding how the system works before you need it. I find most people totally ignorant of the medical system until they need it. Sometimes that is just too late.

BTW, forget the lawsuit. You can't afford to go up against the OMA and the settlement would not be worth it. I know about that as well.

ianlester · 08-17-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Health Care System is fine in Canada. It's not perfect, but if you get sick you WILL be taken care of..

yep that's been my experience too.

_Richard_ · 08-17-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

That's impossible. I was just reading on GFY this morning that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Canadian health care system . . . . even though my Canadian friends say otherwise.

would have thought you were fully aware of the meaning of 'doom and gloom'

baddog · 08-17-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

would have thought you were fully aware of the meaning of 'doom and gloom'

Who said "doom and gloom?"

Sid70 · 08-17-2009, 01:40 PM

DonovanTrent · 08-17-2009, 01:46 PM

Why does anybody CARE about the Canadian healthcare system? Germany's system is what we should be modeling.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...nt/13/4/22.pdf

Never going to find a PERFECT system anywhere, but this one's better than what we got going on.

mpahlca · 08-17-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

just let us know we'd be happy to have ya

HHAHA hit my email up i live in Glen Abbey area

pocketkangaroo · 08-17-2009, 02:28 PM

For as horrible as it is they seem to live longer than us.

cess · 08-17-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jact

I've had a bleeding ulcer for 4 months, it took me 3 months to get into the specialist. It's another 2 months from now to get the endoscopy to find and treat the ulcer, then it's another 1-3 months to follow up with the specialist on my treatment.
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I live in the USA and went to a GI specialists years ago, it took about two months or so just to get in there. It also took a long time for any other appointments with them. I guess GI specialists are busy no matter where you live.

Brujah · 08-18-2009, 01:08 AM

I'm sorry to hear how bad Canada healthcare sucks. Why don't you all just move to the United States?

08-16-2009, 08:36 PM	#1
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	Canadian health-care system is Fucked ? SASKATOON ? The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it. Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made. "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press. "We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands." The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France. His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system. He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said. Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out. "A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable." A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients. Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case. "It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do." "That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' " http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...335rGu_Z3KXoQw __________________

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DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	My Canadian friends tell me the Canadian health care system SUCKS. __________________ Boner Money

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/04...ointsurvey.htm seems from this survey by the nonpartisan cdc says different that our brothers in the great white north are pretty happy with their care. Last edited by tony299; 08-16-2009 at 10:04 PM..

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LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	The system is indeed flawed, but it's not as prohibitive as the american system. I welcome an overhaul. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

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jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	I've had a bleeding ulcer for 4 months, it took me 3 months to get into the specialist. It's another 2 months from now to get the endoscopy to find and treat the ulcer, then it's another 1-3 months to follow up with the specialist on my treatment. In the meantime, my ulcer has caused me to develop an extremely painful hernia in my lower left abdomen where a fist sized chunk of my intestines are just hanging out, outside of my abdomen muscle wall. Will require surgery, but first I have to get an ultrasound. 10 day wait for that. Then I have to get into a specialist, 90 day wait for that. Then I have to book surgery, who knows how long of a wait for that. Tell me that the Canadian health care system is working, please, I beg you. __________________ Free agent

08-16-2009, 08:52 PM	#2
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	That's impossible. I was just reading on GFY this morning that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Canadian health care system . . . . even though my Canadian friends say otherwise.

08-16-2009, 08:56 PM	#4
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	yep its working great here. http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...provider=gnews

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ottyhotties Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: MI Posts: 188	I was recently told on GFY Canada had no waiting lines and treat cancer better than the USA. This has to come from some vast right wing non American Republican conspiracy in Canada.

08-17-2009, 12:20 AM	#16
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	Does Canada have some kind of system where some people get higher on the list ? It seems some people get to the care ASAP but others have horror stories ? I know someone who was on vacation in the UK and their daughter got ill and needed an operation or she would die. She couldn't fly until it was done and they waited there for about 6 weeks for a life threatening operation and then paid someone $20,000 and bam she got the operation within a few days and was back in the states a week later ! __________________

08-17-2009, 05:34 AM	#20
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	It needs to turn more into a preventative healthcare system, rather than crisis response which costs much more. __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

08-17-2009, 05:41 AM	#22
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	I think that most of the people complaining are in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world, the Greater Toronto Area, which has 1/6th of Canada's total population crammed into the few townships surrounding Toronto. Naturally its hard as fuck to get appointments or find quality care. __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

08-17-2009, 06:09 AM	#24
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Should have the same system as Britain....rewards based on people actually being healthy, not more tests, or meds, but actually getting bonuses for people who are living better by not being on them. __________________ i like waffles

08-17-2009, 06:19 AM	#26
Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,682	Well I am glad that it is actually the doctors that are recognizing this and are willing to make some changes as we all know relying on our goverment is like relying on hamsters to power GFY. __________________ Wowify AI API Porn.AI Affiliates Porn AI email: [email protected] Teams: jean.francois.laverdiere TG: @jman1216

08-17-2009, 06:22 AM	#27
Dirty Lord Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,681	i'm from brazil! __________________

08-17-2009, 07:12 AM	#28
TheStout Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,089	Some years back my large intestine was punctured. I almost died! I was rushed to the hospital and placed on the surgery bed IMMEDIATELY. They did not know who I was, they just knew they had to save me. The surgery was done by one of the best surgeons in Canada. I stayed in the hospital for about a week was told I was never going to walk again due to nerve damage. I walked about a week after I was released and have been about 95% ever since. I then had physio for 6 months. Guess how much I paid for everything? About $100 for the ambulance. I know you guys read and have friends that tell you this. But I live here and know MANY people with amazing hospital stories. The majority of the complaints (mostly from Americans who have heard from Canadians) I hear are wait times and it is usually from some person going to the hospital for something like a cold or sprained foot. Please tell me the American system is better, I beg you.

08-17-2009, 09:05 AM	#32
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	doctors have in general always been opposed to heath care from the beginning as they could make more $ under a private system. it's like asking a insurance company to give their opinion about the state of canadian health care.

08-17-2009, 09:21 AM	#38
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i have seen the health care system from the inside over the last five ears due to family issues and the care has been impeccable. sure some people fall through the cracks - but that is just the nature of any bureaucracy. most of the people you see complaining are professional whiners and nutjobs.

08-17-2009, 09:23 AM	#39
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Health Care System is fine in Canada. It's not perfect, but if you get sick you WILL be taken care of.. __________________

08-17-2009, 01:40 PM	#45
Sid70 Downshifter Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Road trip Posts: 16,413	__________________ Русня, идите нахуй!

08-17-2009, 01:46 PM	#46
DonovanTrent Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 968	Why does anybody CARE about the Canadian healthcare system? Germany's system is what we should be modeling. http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...nt/13/4/22.pdf Never going to find a PERFECT system anywhere, but this one's better than what we got going on. __________________ Donovan Trent Last edited by DonovanTrent; 08-17-2009 at 01:50 PM..

08-17-2009, 02:28 PM	#48
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	For as horrible as it is they seem to live longer than us.

08-18-2009, 01:08 AM	#50
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I'm sorry to hear how bad Canada healthcare sucks. Why don't you all just move to the United States? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com