Repubs say government can't run an effective health care system... - GoFuckYourself.com

CheeseFrog · 08-23-2009, 05:32 PM

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ToplistBlog_Com · 08-23-2009, 06:03 PM

I saw this and loved it! Jon Stewart is great about getting to the heart of issues.

epitome · 08-23-2009, 06:09 PM

You know...they bash Stewart saying that young people get their news from him and its distorted and they don't really know what's going on in this world. The Daily Show is one of the most honest shows out there. Yes, they cut-n-chop to make their point, but we know they do that and they know we know. Fox News would never admit to doing that.

GatorB · 08-23-2009, 06:10 PM

Every republican in Congress( well maybe not Ron Paul ) takes advantage of the "shitty" health care provided to them by the federal government. Which WE the American taxpayers pay for by the way. If government run health care is so bad how come those members of Congress don't go with private plans?

MovieMaster · 08-23-2009, 08:17 PM

The point republicans are making is they cant run a cost effective one or of anything. Thats the main sticking point, and the bottom line to the whole debate.... People are sick of Big Govt on both sides.

gwidomains · 08-23-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MovieMaster

The point republicans are making is they cant run a cost effective one or of anything. Thats the main sticking point, and the bottom line to the whole debate.... People are sick of Big Govt on both sides.

that's ridiculous -- the gov't isn't giving million dollar bonuses to health care executives like the private sector -- who then pass along higher payments to clients.

It's not cost, remember these same republicans spent trillions in unfunded liabilities to underwrite the Medicare drug prescription benefit.

DonovanTrent · 08-23-2009, 09:23 PM

Absolutely hilarious.

TheSenator · 08-23-2009, 11:00 PM

You can't speak facts to people who believe 2 + 2 = 5.

I have been sticking to a single point, single payer health care.

Why should an inmate who murder people get health care benefit as right?

When a hard working American small business have to pay for it and its not a right?

Doesn't make sense at all.

Although, some farts like BadDog and people with low comprehension skills believes you have to earn your health benefits.

hypedough · 08-23-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

You know...they bash Stewart saying that young people get their news from him and its distorted and they don't really know what's going on in this world. The Daily Show is one of the most honest shows out there. Yes, they cut-n-chop to make their point, but we know they do that and they know we know. Fox News would never admit to doing that.

I <3 Jon Stewart, in comedy always comes truth.

tiger · 08-24-2009, 01:01 AM

Exactly, if its so bad why don't these people refuse their government health care buy their own private insurance and try to stop the program?

IllTestYourGirls · 08-24-2009, 03:04 AM

The plan the congressmen have is not the same plan as the bill.

The republicans should know that the government can not run a health care plan. Look how bad they fucked up the last 8 years. After the last 8 years I can not see how anyone can think the government can do anything non the less run a health care plan.

Machete_ · 08-24-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

You can't speak facts to people who believe 2 + 2 = 5.

I have been sticking to a single point, single payer health care.

Why should an inmate who murder people get health care benefit as right?

When a hard working American small business have to pay for it and its not a right?

Doesn't make sense at all.

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uhhmm - yes it does, because he cant work while in jail, so how would you expect him to pay for a health-care plan?

OldJeff · 08-24-2009, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The republicans should know that the government can not run a health care plan. Look how bad they fucked up the last 8 years.

Democrats have controlled the House and Senate since 2006. Recession started in January of 2008, you do the math.

kane · 08-24-2009, 03:31 AM

I love John Stewart and the Daily Show, but it is sad to me that he seems to be the only one that will call these people out on their BS.

The other night he had a republican congresswoman on and she was going off about the "death panels." So he called her out and told her to show him the part of the bill that said that. They come back from commercial and she shows it to him and reads it out loud. He then starts bashing her telling her that what she read has nothing do to with what she is saying. She insists it does so he proceeds to read it to her line by line and explain to her what it says and means. She doesn't give up so he does it again. When she realizes she has been owned suddenly she wanted to change the topic.

AIbenjamink · 08-24-2009, 07:14 AM

I usually try to steer clear of these issues, but I'll chime in on this one..

Right now, no matter who actually picks up the bill for the health insurance/plan it is still in the private sector. Doctors still make their own decisions, and individuals have a choice on which doctors to visit and are presented with a range of treatment options. Insurance companies negotiate the procedure cost with the doctors, and how much will be reimbursed. This being said, If we turn to government run health care, what value do you think they will place on a procedure? At what point in an individual's life will a procedure not be worth paying for? And finally, As someone in the process of entering medical school, where is there any incentive for future doctors or for currently practicing doctors to continue. In short, the quality of health care will drop drastically.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-24-2009, 09:24 AM

Government run health care will be the same as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Hurricane Katrina relief, etc.. It will be a mismanaged, bankrupt, and a disaster.

There will be massive financial pressure on government to contain costs. Treatment will be rationed and people will be denied services.

There is no way it could be any different.

Brujah · 08-24-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Government run health care will be the same as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Hurricane Katrina relief, etc.. It will be a mismanaged, bankrupt, and a disaster.

There will be massive financial pressure on government to contain costs. Treatment will be rationed and people will be denied services.

There is no way it could be any different.

Then don't use it. Stick with your insurance company.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-24-2009, 09:33 AM

The US military is no more than 3 million people. The US public is 300 million -- 100X as large.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-24-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Then don't use it. Stick with your insurance company.

It's not that simple. The government will tax us all to pay for it, hurting us individually and our economy at large.

DonovanTrent · 08-24-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Democrats have controlled the House and Senate since 2006. Recession started in January of 2008, you do the math.

Democrats taking control of house and senate didn't cause the recession. It goes back farther than that. Too many pro-business law changes weakened oversight and left the foxes watching the henhouse. Add cost of Iraq war.

Both sides are at fault.

BestXXXPorn · 08-24-2009, 10:19 AM

Hahhahahhah good health care, military, hahahahahahhaa riiiiiiight... None of them have ever received treatment from the military...

Not to mention the military healthcare doesn't have to deal with lawsuits. You can't sue... trust me I know, they almost killed me... twice. Not an exaggeration at all the ER doctor told me I should be dead. I couldn't even get them to apologize to me... Permanent kidney damage with 26 kidney stones as a result... Not to mention the extreme agony of not being able to have pain medication (and being on an anti-narcotic drip) while they re-cauterized the back of my throat... Catheter for two weeks, not being allowed to sleep for three days because my heart would stop if I did and being in constant pain while awake... I'm not lawsuit hungry but that was straight up malpractice...

But it's government run so you have no recourse!

Military healthcare is different... the hospitals are owned by the military. They hire and staff all the facilities... Let's compare apples to apple here.

Libertine · 08-24-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AIbenjamink

And finally, As someone in the process of entering medical school, where is there any incentive for future doctors or for currently practicing doctors to continue.

As someone currently in medical school in a country with UHC, let me answer that question: saving lives, improving people's quality of life, and exploring the intricacies of the human body.

Salaries will remain relatively high, but med school is not and has never been the best route to riches. If money's your main motivation, you'll be thoroughly disappointed. There are far more lucrative paths in life if you're willing to put in the same amount of time and effort, most of which involve far less blood, sweat, tears, vomit, piss, pus and shit.

Libertine · 08-24-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Government run health care will be the same as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Hurricane Katrina relief, etc.. It will be a mismanaged, bankrupt, and a disaster.

There will be massive financial pressure on government to contain costs. Treatment will be rationed and people will be denied services.

There is no way it could be any different.

So you're saying there's no way it could be like in any other first world country? Basically, you consider the American government to be the least efficient of them all?

BradM · 08-24-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

So you're saying there's no way it could be like in any other first world country? Basically, you consider the American government to be the least efficient of them all?

dont start with daddyfuckballs please

BestXXXPorn · 08-24-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

So you're saying there's no way it could be like in any other first world country? Basically, you consider the American government to be the least efficient of them all?

I find it ironic that someone going by "Libertine" is arguing for more government control, hhahahaha

AIbenjamink · 08-24-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

As someone currently in medical school in a country with UHC, let me answer that question: saving lives, improving people's quality of life, and exploring the intricacies of the human body.

Salaries will remain relatively high, but med school is not and has never been the best route to riches. If money's your main motivation, you'll be thoroughly disappointed. There are far more lucrative paths in life if you're willing to put in the same amount of time and effort, most of which involve far less blood, sweat, tears, vomit, piss, pus and shit.

This is exactly correct, money is never a primary determining factor when choosing medicine as a career path, but when you add the cost of undergraduate education, medical school, and combine it with big brother hovering over you influencing your decisions, there is even less incentive for anyone with the non fiscal drive to practice.

Granted, this does not change my goals or motivations.

GatorB · 08-24-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Democrats have controlled the House and Senate since 2006. Recession started in January of 2008, you do the math.

Are you stupid? Actually democrats took over Jan 2007. Last tiem I chekd BUSH was stil preident. Last time I cheked my basic economics teh economy is 18 months behind so if the recession started in Jan 08 then the cause of it started in July of 06 when REPUBLICANS were in control. How's your ass feel now?

GatorB · 08-24-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AIbenjamink

and combine it with big brother hovering over you influencing your decisions, there is even less incentive for anyone with the non fiscal drive to practice.

because having penny pinching insruance companies influence your decisions is beter? Ah the retardation never ends with you people.

seeandsee · 08-24-2009, 10:56 AM

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AIbenjamink · 08-24-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

because having penny pinching insruance companies influence your decisions is beter? Ah the retardation never ends with you people.

Maybe you should have read my previous post, or to clarify, I meant an even greater influence and tighter pockets than the insurance agencies.

Take a breath before pointing out retardation..

Libertine · 08-24-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AIbenjamink

This is exactly correct, money is never a primary determining factor when choosing medicine as a career path, but when you add the cost of undergraduate education, medical school, and combine it with big brother hovering over you influencing your decisions, there is even less incentive for anyone with the non fiscal drive to practice.

Granted, this does not change my goals or motivations.

The idea that big brother will be hovering over you is, quite frankly, completely ludicrous. There tends to be little difference in what is covered and what is not between public and private types of insurance. If anything, public coverage tends to lead to less time being spent on disputing the necessity of recommended procedures. Plus, billing and collecting instantly gets a whole lot easier.

Aside from that, a public system also has another major benefit: the government will have more of a reason to take a long, hard look at malpractice laws. And by reason, I mean money. For most physicians, that would be a major improvement. Much less of a need to practice defensive medicine, saving many tens of thousands of dollars in malpractice insurance a year - those are pretty good things.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-24-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

So you're saying there's no way it could be like in any other first world country? Basically, you consider the American government to be the least efficient of them all?

I am saying socialized medicine will be exactly the same as everywhere else -- a disaster.

the_pervert · 08-24-2009, 11:47 AM

i hate paying taxes, i hate many things the government tries to force upon me, i'm about as libertarian as you can get, but there are 3 things i think should be subsidised by the government
1 farmers (no not the rich motherfucking ranchers, the small guys, mainly because if food production is globalized like everything else, i feel it would be too great of a risk during war. imagine having all food imported from china, then china declares war on us
i can go out a new dishwasher or computer for some time, but food i think not.)
2 schools (and this one kills the healthcare will kill private sector argument IMO since there still exists many private schools)
3 healthcare. (i'm not saying it should be a perfect healthcare system where it covers 100 % of everything, but something should be there to help people, especially with the high jobloss. one could be a perfectly good employee working for a company with bad management and the company cuts jobs or goes under, now the hardworking employee is out on his ass and cant afford COBRA and has to pay for feeding his kids breaks his legs, wtf then.)

OldJeff · 08-24-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Are you stupid? Actually democrats took over Jan 2007. Last tiem I chekd BUSH was stil preident. Last time I cheked my basic economics teh economy is 18 months behind so if the recession started in Jan 08 then the cause of it started in July of 06 when REPUBLICANS were in control. How's your ass feel now?

My ass feels fine, especially since THE TOP WORLD economists stated that the current recession started in January of 08 (12 months AFTER Democrats controlled both houses, AND all the spending).

I also feel even better since I do not get my news from comedians such as John Stewart. I find his show to be very entertaining, but not exactly the place to look if you are looking for any factual information.

Sit back, have a nice big glass of Obama flavored kool aid, and enjoy the ride as we have one failed economic policy after another under Jimmy Carter round 2, we already have double digit unemployment, with inflation and interest rates to follow.

Are you old enough to remember Jimmy Carters utter failure at the job ? You are seeing it all over again, maybe even worse since Carter did not actually think that the answer to everything is to have an already dis functional federal government run everything.

Libertine · 08-24-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am saying socialized medicine will be exactly the same as everywhere else -- a disaster.

Have you been watching Fox News again?

If so, you might want to change the channel. Preferably to something that doesn't use the phrase "fair and balanced" as the punchline to a very elaborate joke.

GrouchyAdmin · 08-24-2009, 11:56 AM

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kane · 08-24-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

My ass feels fine, especially since THE TOP WORLD economists stated that the current recession started in January of 08 (12 months AFTER Democrats controlled both houses, AND all the spending).

I also feel even better since I do not get my news from comedians such as John Stewart. I find his show to be very entertaining, but not exactly the place to look if you are looking for any factual information.

Sit back, have a nice big glass of Obama flavored kool aid, and enjoy the ride as we have one failed economic policy after another under Jimmy Carter round 2, we already have double digit unemployment, with inflation and interest rates to follow.

Are you old enough to remember Jimmy Carters utter failure at the job ? You are seeing it all over again, maybe even worse since Carter did not actually think that the answer to everything is to have an already dis functional federal government run everything.

Just so we are clear you believe that in 12 months the democrats caused all the problems that we are having right now? It has nothing to do with all the sub prime mortgages that had been given to anyone who fogged up a mirror when the breathed over the last 5-10 years? It has nothing to do with the de-regulation of financial markets that allowed companies like AIG (and many other big banks) to over leverage themselves as they traded commodities that basically had no financial backing or overextended the credit lines that they created and were based on these sub prime mortgages that eventually went bad? It had nothing to do with the fact that the Bush administration pushed hard to keep interest rates down so that housing starts would continue and home values would continue to rise which overinflated the market?

I'm certainly not saying the democrats are not to blame - there is plenty of blame to go around for both parties. But to think for a second that all of this occurred in one year is crazy. This is a perfect storm that has been brewing for about 15-20 years and finally got here.

BestXXXPorn · 08-24-2009, 12:24 PM

To me it comes down to this...

Some people believe that a nationwide government run healthcare system at the expense of the tax payers is a good idea. They like the idea of the entire country being covered medically and they think the tax payers should front the cost.

Some people don't like the idea of a nationwide government run healthcare system at the expense of the tax payers. They, mostly, believe that your aren't and shouldn't be "entitled" to healthcare because you live in the US.

It think a lot of it comes down to a question of morals. Some people believe in "share the wealth", a very socialist view where everyone is taken care of at a base level. Modern democrats seem to share this philosophy and set of ideals. Other people believe you should get what you earn. That people aren't entitled to anything for free. This is very Republican and Libertarian...

No matter what side of the fence you stand on the United States was founded to ensure that your own opinions and freedoms are yours. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were setup to protect the people of the United States from the government forcing you to follow (by paying for) either ideal. It's not supposed to be a, "the majority thinks it's right so let's vote it into law" type of thing. That's just wrong... Just because you think something is the right thing to do doesn't mean everyone else is wrong if they don't agree with you and that they should all be forced to follow your own ideals... even if the majority believes what your believe.

The government is overstepping (and has been for quite some time) its boundaries. A government controlled healthcare system is another means of control and regulation and a way of redistributing wealth in the name of a good cause...

Just because you believe in the ideal doesn't mean it's "right" and it certainly doesn't mean you should want the government to "do something about it". This situation is floating to the surface with greater frequency than ever and the day will come when you don't agree with the ideal that's being forced down your throat. But you'll be powerless to stop it because you were FOR adding all that government regulation and control in that made additional laws and regulations possible later down the line...

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TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,331	You can't speak facts to people who believe 2 + 2 = 5. I have been sticking to a single point, single payer health care. Why should an inmate who murder people get health care benefit as right? When a hard working American small business have to pay for it and its not a right? Doesn't make sense at all. Although, some farts like BadDog and people with low comprehension skills believes you have to earn your health benefits. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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tiger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,986	Exactly, if its so bad why don't these people refuse their government health care buy their own private insurance and try to stop the program? __________________

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IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	The plan the congressmen have is not the same plan as the bill. The republicans should know that the government can not run a health care plan. Look how bad they fucked up the last 8 years. After the last 8 years I can not see how anyone can think the government can do anything non the less run a health care plan. __________________

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ToplistBlog_Com So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Queens NY Posts: 2,065	I saw this and loved it! Jon Stewart is great about getting to the heart of issues.

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	You know...they bash Stewart saying that young people get their news from him and its distorted and they don't really know what's going on in this world. The Daily Show is one of the most honest shows out there. Yes, they cut-n-chop to make their point, but we know they do that and they know we know. Fox News would never admit to doing that.

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GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Every republican in Congress( well maybe not Ron Paul ) takes advantage of the "shitty" health care provided to them by the federal government. Which WE the American taxpayers pay for by the way. If government run health care is so bad how come those members of Congress don't go with private plans?

08-23-2009, 08:17 PM	#5
MovieMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 897	The point republicans are making is they cant run a cost effective one or of anything. Thats the main sticking point, and the bottom line to the whole debate.... People are sick of Big Govt on both sides.

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I love John Stewart and the Daily Show, but it is sad to me that he seems to be the only one that will call these people out on their BS. The other night he had a republican congresswoman on and she was going off about the "death panels." So he called her out and told her to show him the part of the bill that said that. They come back from commercial and she shows it to him and reads it out loud. He then starts bashing her telling her that what she read has nothing do to with what she is saying. She insists it does so he proceeds to read it to her line by line and explain to her what it says and means. She doesn't give up so he does it again. When she realizes she has been owned suddenly she wanted to change the topic.

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AIbenjamink Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 420	I usually try to steer clear of these issues, but I'll chime in on this one.. Right now, no matter who actually picks up the bill for the health insurance/plan it is still in the private sector. Doctors still make their own decisions, and individuals have a choice on which doctors to visit and are presented with a range of treatment options. Insurance companies negotiate the procedure cost with the doctors, and how much will be reimbursed. This being said, If we turn to government run health care, what value do you think they will place on a procedure? At what point in an individual's life will a procedure not be worth paying for? And finally, As someone in the process of entering medical school, where is there any incentive for future doctors or for currently practicing doctors to continue. In short, the quality of health care will drop drastically. __________________ *Benjamin* : [email protected] : 405-243-447 : www.AdultInterface.com

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BestXXXPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 2,277	Hahhahahhah good health care, military, hahahahahahhaa riiiiiiight... None of them have ever received treatment from the military... Not to mention the military healthcare doesn't have to deal with lawsuits. You can't sue... trust me I know, they almost killed me... twice. Not an exaggeration at all the ER doctor told me I should be dead. I couldn't even get them to apologize to me... Permanent kidney damage with 26 kidney stones as a result... Not to mention the extreme agony of not being able to have pain medication (and being on an anti-narcotic drip) while they re-cauterized the back of my throat... Catheter for two weeks, not being allowed to sleep for three days because my heart would stop if I did and being in constant pain while awake... I'm not lawsuit hungry but that was straight up malpractice... But it's government run so you have no recourse! Military healthcare is different... the hospitals are owned by the military. They hire and staff all the facilities... Let's compare apples to apple here. __________________ ICQ: 258-202-811 \| Email: eric{at}bestxxxporn.com

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08-24-2009, 12:24 PM	#38
BestXXXPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 2,277	To me it comes down to this... Some people believe that a nationwide government run healthcare system at the expense of the tax payers is a good idea. They like the idea of the entire country being covered medically and they think the tax payers should front the cost. Some people don't like the idea of a nationwide government run healthcare system at the expense of the tax payers. They, mostly, believe that your aren't and shouldn't be "entitled" to healthcare because you live in the US. It think a lot of it comes down to a question of morals. Some people believe in "share the wealth", a very socialist view where everyone is taken care of at a base level. Modern democrats seem to share this philosophy and set of ideals. Other people believe you should get what you earn. That people aren't entitled to anything for free. This is very Republican and Libertarian... No matter what side of the fence you stand on the United States was founded to ensure that your own opinions and freedoms are yours. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were setup to protect the people of the United States from the government forcing you to follow (by paying for) either ideal. It's not supposed to be a, "the majority thinks it's right so let's vote it into law" type of thing. That's just wrong... Just because you think something is the right thing to do doesn't mean everyone else is wrong if they don't agree with you and that they should all be forced to follow your own ideals... even if the majority believes what your believe. The government is overstepping (and has been for quite some time) its boundaries. A government controlled healthcare system is another means of control and regulation and a way of redistributing wealth in the name of a good cause... Just because you believe in the ideal doesn't mean it's "right" and it certainly doesn't mean you should want the government to "do something about it". This situation is floating to the surface with greater frequency than ever and the day will come when you don't agree with the ideal that's being forced down your throat. But you'll be powerless to stop it because you were FOR adding all that government regulation and control in that made additional laws and regulations possible later down the line... __________________ ICQ: 258-202-811 \| Email: eric{at}bestxxxporn.com