Should Public School Kids Be Forced the H1N1 Vaccine?

[TheSenator]

Should Public School Kids Be Forced the H1N1 Vaccine?

I'm torn on this one because an outbreak would cause an immediate harm to the community. By default, any thing that causes an immediate harm should be taken care of immediately.

Forcing the H1N1 vaccine without my permission would be a slippery slope. What else would they force on the public???

[Quagmire]

the day they force it is the day my daughter is no longer going to public school

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

the day they force it is the day my daughter is no longer going to public school

your daughter was already forced to have shots before attending public school.

all kids are vaccinated and not allowed to enter public schools unless vaccinated, id assume swine flu shots are next on the list.

[TheSenator]

Forced Vaccinations in Massachusetts???

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...df/st02028.pdf

[dyna mo]

so much for preventative healthcare

:-(

[Yngwie]

This whole swine flu shit makes me laugh. I have real things to worry about so I'm not gonna waste my time worrying about a regular flu that's been made to look like it's a "world killer".

[TheSenator]

Massachusetts just passed some hardcore laws.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Massachusetts just passed some hardcore laws.

note: the right to enter private property"

As ive said many times, when it comes down to it, the government can enter your home, guns drawn and nothing you can do except go along with it or die. They do it during hurricanes, and they will certainly do it during Swine Flu outbreak.

They make sure to make the laws to be able to do what they need to control the population during crisis.

[theking]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Should Public School Kids Be Forced the H1N1 Vaccine?

I'm torn on this one because an outbreak would cause an immediate harm to the community. By default, any thing that causes an immediate harm should be taken care of immediately.

Forcing the H1N1 vaccine without my permission would be a slippery slope. What else would they force on the public???

See thread

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=925576

[Agent 488]

they would have to pry my pig out of my cold dead hands.

[JC Maldini]

I think they should have a mass injection day. Do it Sept 8th while the president is speaking to all the kids. 2 birds with one stone!!

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

note: the right to enter private property"

As ive said many times, when it comes down to it, the government can enter your home, guns drawn and nothing you can do except go along with it or die. They do it during hurricanes, and they will certainly do it during Swine Flu outbreak.

They make sure to make the laws to be able to do what they need to control the population during crisis.

There are quarantine laws already on the books.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/q/quarantine/

The federal quarantine law would kick in if someone infected cross state lines.

[stickyfingerz]

Whats the death count so far this year? Whats the death count for normal flu this year? This whole fucking thing is a joke, and anyone that buys into it is retarded.

556 swine flu deaths.


Here are some statistics for all flu type deaths from 79 to 2001

1979: 604
1981: 3,006
1983: 1,431
1985: 2,054
1987: 632
1989: 1,593
1991: 1,137
1993: 1,044
1995: 606
1996: 745
1997: 720
1998: 1,724
1999: 1,665
2000: 1,765
2001: 257


In other words.. stfu about fuckin swine flu you retards in the media.

Better vaccinate for car accident related deaths its a PANDEMIC!!


A preview of results from the 2006 Annual Assessment of Motor Vehicle Traffic Crash Fatalities and Injuries shows that the number of people killed in the United States in motor vehicle traffic crashes declined from 43,510 in 2005 to 42,642, the lowest level in five years.

OMG OMG OMG and that is just in the U.S OMG OMG OMG!!

The fuckin chance of any one of us catching the fuckin retarded swine flu is next to 0%. And for that risk Im going to let someone inject me or my children with an unproven vaccine that could cause bad health issues later in life, or even death earlier than expected? FUCK THAT! All you "vacciners" can have my dose so there is more to go around.

Its so hysterical to watch the typical retard roundup about the swine flu. Mostly the same group that believes in global warming, and the ozone layer disappearing, and the bird flu, and all the other bs that the media feed us. Some people see the pattern of these little "scares" and laugh really hard. We hardly heard anything about the big bad global warming this summer why is that? Where are all these hundreds of killer hurricanes that were predicted due to the "global warming dilemma"? Why was this one of the coldest summers that I can recall? barely September and its not even that hot out today.

Ferris Buller's principal had it right about people be led down the "prim rose path" lmao

[tranza]

I dont think those things should be forced!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

There are quarantine laws already on the books.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/q/quarantine/

The federal quarantine law would kick in if someone infected cross state lines.

Yep, and having been through Martial Law a few times in my life, they can use Martial law, and Quarinte laws, and not much a citizen can do to fight back. He will be shot, and/or detained.

[TheSenator]

Seasonal FLU vs H1N1 FLU

Whats the difference in symptoms?

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Its so hysterical to watch the typical retard roundup about the swine flu. Mostly the same group that believes in global warming, and the ozone layer disappearing, and the bird flu, and all the other bs that the media feed us. Some people see the pattern of these little "scares" and laugh really hard. We hardly heard anything about the big bad global warming this summer why is that? Where are all these hundreds of killer hurricanes that were predicted due to the "global warming dilemma"? Why was this one of the coldest summers that I can recall? barely September and its not even that hot out today.

[theking]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Whats the death count so far this year? Whats the death count for normal flu this year? This whole fucking thing is a joke, and anyone that buys into it is retarded.

556 swine flu deaths.


Here are some statistics for all flu type deaths from 79 to 2001

1979: 604
1981: 3,006
1983: 1,431
1985: 2,054
1987: 632
1989: 1,593
1991: 1,137
1993: 1,044
1995: 606
1996: 745
1997: 720
1998: 1,724
1999: 1,665
2000: 1,765
2001: 257


In other words.. stfu about fuckin swine flu you retards in the media.

Better vaccinate for car accident related deaths its a PANDEMIC!!


A preview of results from the 2006 Annual Assessment of Motor Vehicle Traffic Crash Fatalities and Injuries shows that the number of people killed in the United States in motor vehicle traffic crashes declined from 43,510 in 2005 to 42,642, the lowest level in five years.

OMG OMG OMG and that is just in the U.S OMG OMG OMG!!

The fuckin chance of any one of us catching the fuckin retarded swine flu is next to 0%. And for that risk Im going to let someone inject me or my children with an unproven vaccine that could cause bad health issues later in life, or even death earlier than expected? FUCK THAT! All you "vacciners" can have my dose so there is more to go around.

Its so hysterical to watch the typical retard roundup about the swine flu. Mostly the same group that believes in global warming, and the ozone layer disappearing, and the bird flu, and all the other bs that the media feed us. Some people see the pattern of these little "scares" and laugh really hard. We hardly heard anything about the big bad global warming this summer why is that? Where are all these hundreds of killer hurricanes that were predicted due to the "global warming dilemma"? Why was this one of the coldest summers that I can recall? barely September and its not even that hot out today.

Ferris Buller's principal had it right about people be led down the "prim rose path" lmao

What is your source as the CDC says approximately 36,000 die annually from "ordinary flu"?

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Yep, and having been through Martial Law a few times in my life, they can use Martial law, and Quarinte laws, and not much a citizen can do to fight back. He will be shot, and/or detained.

Really? Because Martial law was never declared in New Orleans...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial...ricane_Katrina

Hurricane Katrina
Contrary to many media reports at the time, martial law was not declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. However, a State of Emergency was declared, which does give unique powers to the state government similar to those of martial law. On the evening of August 31, 2005, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin nominally declared "martial law" and said that officers didn't have to observe civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters. [12] Federal troops were a common sight in New Orleans after Katrina. At one point, as many as 15,000 federal troops and National Guardsmen patrolled the city. Additionally it has been reported that armed contractors from Blackwater USA assisted in policing the city.[13]

So yes it was bad, but it was not martial law.

In fact Marial Law hasn't been declared since 1945 in Hawaii. So please stop saying you were under "Martial law"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial...tes_of_America

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by theking

What is your source as the CDC says approximately 36,000 die annually from "ordinary flu"?

Link me to that.

[Agent 488]

i used to work in a hospital. full on preparations for a global pandemic were in full effect back then. if you think this is some recent mass hysteria drummed by liberals your are fucked in the head.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Whats the death count so far this year? Whats the death count for normal flu this year? This whole fucking thing is a joke, and anyone that buys into it is retarded.

556 swine flu deaths.


Here are some statistics for all flu type deaths from 79 to 2001

1979: 604
1981: 3,006
1983: 1,431
1985: 2,054
1987: 632
1989: 1,593
1991: 1,137
1993: 1,044
1995: 606
1996: 745
1997: 720
1998: 1,724
1999: 1,665
2000: 1,765
2001: 257


In other words.. stfu about fuckin swine flu you retards in the media.

Better vaccinate for car accident related deaths its a PANDEMIC!!


A preview of results from the 2006 Annual Assessment of Motor Vehicle Traffic Crash Fatalities and Injuries shows that the number of people killed in the United States in motor vehicle traffic crashes declined from 43,510 in 2005 to 42,642, the lowest level in five years.

OMG OMG OMG and that is just in the U.S OMG OMG OMG!!

The fuckin chance of any one of us catching the fuckin retarded swine flu is next to 0%. And for that risk Im going to let someone inject me or my children with an unproven vaccine that could cause bad health issues later in life, or even death earlier than expected? FUCK THAT! All you "vacciners" can have my dose so there is more to go around.

Its so hysterical to watch the typical retard roundup about the swine flu. Mostly the same group that believes in global warming, and the ozone layer disappearing, and the bird flu, and all the other bs that the media feed us. Some people see the pattern of these little "scares" and laugh really hard. We hardly heard anything about the big bad global warming this summer why is that? Where are all these hundreds of killer hurricanes that were predicted due to the "global warming dilemma"? Why was this one of the coldest summers that I can recall? barely September and its not even that hot out today.

Ferris Buller's principal had it right about people be led down the "prim rose path" lmao

[theking]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Link me to that.

Here is one article.

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar...cId=5002525608

[TheSenator]

Anybody want to throw a "Swine FLU" party?

[Tom_PM]

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

Going to the source is easy.

edit: one interesting tidbit from todays news though. Reported that 36 children have died "from" H1N1 so far, HOWEVER.. 2/3s of them were already suffering from some other illness or condition. In other words, they were already weakened.

[PurrrsianPussyKat]

My mom is a nurse in a hospital. I called her last night to see what was up and she was sick as a dog. She told me she started with a sore throat yesterday morning and I called her around 8:30 pm. She sounded like death warmed over. I am hoping she doesn't have swine flu. She told me 3 of the girls she works with have this same "cold". My mom is in her 60's and has asthma. She gets up every day at 4 am to work full time. I told her she needs to take better care of herself. She's not a spring chicken anymore.

[Porn Grounds]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Should Public School Kids Be Forced the H1N1 Vaccine?

I'm torn on this one because an outbreak would cause an immediate harm to the community. By default, any thing that causes an immediate harm should be taken care of immediately.

Forcing the H1N1 vaccine without my permission would be a slippery slope. What else would they force on the public???

I am torn on it also. I don't know which is worse to be honest...

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Forced Vaccinations in Massachusetts???

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...df/st02028.pdf

No they are forced if there is a full out pandemic in that area.


People don't realize that we aren't a healthy nation to begin with. Most people don't even wash their hands after using a public rest room

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

Going to the source is easy.

edit: one interesting tidbit from todays news though. Reported that 36 children have died "from" H1N1 so far, HOWEVER.. 2/3s of them were already suffering from some other illness or condition. In other words, they were already weakened.

http://thinktwice.com/cdc_2001.pdf yup and then read that and see how the combine Flu and Pneumonia together, and look at the highest age statistic to die due to the "flu" Then look at flu only related deaths.

They skew shit so bad. Yes once you get over a certain age your immune system goes to shit. Getting just a cold can trigger pneumonia, or flu. But the fact here is its mainly the elderly that die, and its from PNEUMONIA not from flu.

Just silly.

btw see you edited just as I quoted you. So you kind of "get it" too.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by budsbabes

i used to work in a hospital. full on preparations for a global pandemic were in full effect back then. if you think this is some recent mass hysteria drummed by liberals your are fucked in the head.

Where did I state its something new? Try re reading what I wrote where I say this same shit happens year after year. Some new scare, some new flu, blah blah blah. I said exactly the opposite of what you claimed I did.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

your daughter was already forced to have shots before attending public school.

all kids are vaccinated and not allowed to enter public schools unless vaccinated, id assume swine flu shots are next on the list.

wow you are grossly misinformed

[theking]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

http://thinktwice.com/cdc_2001.pdf yup and then read that and see how the combine Flu and Pneumonia together, and look at the highest age statistic to die due to the "flu" Then look at flu only related deaths.

They skew shit so bad. Yes once you get over a certain age your immune system goes to shit. Getting just a cold can trigger pneumonia, or flu. But the fact here is its mainly the elderly that die, and its from PNEUMONIA not from flu.

Just silly.

btw see you edited just as I quoted you. So you kind of "get it" too.

Do you not understand "flu related causes"? If you want to be specifically technical the only thing that any one dies from is heart failure...in that ones heart quits beating...but it often quits beating because of "related causes" such as "flu related causes".

[stickyfingerz]

http://www.thinktwice.com/flu_lie.htm good read.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

your daughter was already forced to have shots before attending public school.

all kids are vaccinated and not allowed to enter public schools unless vaccinated, id assume swine flu shots are next on the list.

One more reason not to live in the USA.

[TheSenator]

This is last year map of H1N1 outbreak through the world.

It should pretty much follow the same pattern this year.

http://healthmap.org/swineflu/

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

wow you are grossly misinformed

yeah in america no children are forced to have vaccinations before attending public school LOL

[Tom_PM]

Flu really has always been one of those things that if you are healthy as a horse, it'll knock you on your ass. If you're not healthy as a horse, it'll kill ya (without drugs).

[TheSenator]

Here is a current Google Map of H1N1 outbreaks.

http://tinyurl.com/l7my3

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

your daughter was already forced to have shots before attending public school.

all kids are vaccinated and not allowed to enter public schools unless vaccinated, id assume swine flu shots are next on the list.

Yeah, shots that have been around for a looooong time and tested. not some flu vaccine they've pulled out of their asses in the last 90 days.

And of course they are shots for things that are much worse than h1n1.

My daughter is not a guinea pig for them to test out their meds on.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Here is a current Google Map of H1N1 outbreaks.

http://tinyurl.com/l7my3

wtf?? http://www.bazaarbooks.gr/pages/cont...=960-325-081-3

[JC Maldini]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Here is a current Google Map of H1N1 outbreaks.

http://tinyurl.com/l7my3

Here is one on Diarrhea outbreak

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&resnum=0&q=diarrhea%20outbreak%20map&um =1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

My daughter is not a guinea pig for them to test out their meds on.

I can understand that, but once your child is part of public school system, and during the hours of school, she is under state control and if they feel she must be vaccinated, she will be, or she will not be attending school anymore. They can contain your child without even informing you, police can question her, FBi etc,... all without your concent.

And as someone who went to private school, I can assure you, parents of private school kids will not want her in their class unless vaccinated, so one way or the other, everyone will go along with plan.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

yeah in america no children are forced to have vaccinations before attending public school LOL

In most states you are not forced to get vaccinated. Like I said you are grossly misinformed.


http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws.aspx

[beerptrol]

We need a good flu outbreak to wipeout some of the idiots and the kids of the idiots in this country

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

In most states you are not forced to get vaccinated. Like I said you are grossly misinformed.

In one way or another, every state has some form of required vaccine for children before entering school.

Although states may vary, there is no state that just allows all its kids to enter school without some form of vaccination, not sure why the need to debate this as it is pretty common sense that kids are vaccinated before attending school.

Your link only suggests that you become informed on what your state allows and doesnt, and what is required, nowhere does it say you are not required to conform to the states demands. Are their exemptions, I am sure, but that does not negate the requirement of the state. In fact, your link states that if you challenege the vaccination you may find yourself in litigation brought by the State against you.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

wtf?? http://www.bazaarbooks.gr/pages/cont...=960-325-081-3

oopps....

Here is the original link H1N1 outbreaks

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%...052,281.25&z=2

[GatorB]

Well I bet the parents of the 5 year old that died from it yesterday in my state wish their school had given out those shots.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Yeah, shots that have been around for a looooong time and tested. not some flu vaccine they've pulled out of their asses in the last 90 days.

And of course they are shots for things that are much worse than h1n1.

My daughter is not a guinea pig for them to test out their meds on.

The H1N1 vaccine is brand new. It not like the seasonal FLU shot where it has been around for over 10 years.

The guinea pig idea is the first thing that went through my wife's head.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Although states may vary, there is no state that just allows all its kids to enter school without some form of vaccination, not sure why the need to debate this as it is pretty common sense that kids are vaccinated before attending school.

There are 18 states that allow kids with no vaccines just because the parent doesnt want them to have them.

Im not saying dont get your kid vaccinated, you are just misinformed about the number of school children that are vaccinated.

And of course the state can change their laws. I am not debating that.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by theking

Do you not understand "flu related causes"? If you want to be specifically technical the only thing that any one dies from is heart failure...in that ones heart quits beating...but it often quits beating because of "related causes" such as "flu related causes".

Deaths are due to weaken immune systems. People in good health are extremely unlikely to die due to any flu.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

There are 18 states that allow kids with no vaccines just because the parent doesnt want them to have them.

Really? what states, I am curious,... I have always been under the assumption that kids had numerous vaccines pumped into them before being allowed in school... absolutely ZERO shots? No vaccines whatsoever?

Look at the list of required for Cali children:

http://www2.sduhsd.net/tp/immunization.html

Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitus Bm varicella.... diptheria, tetanus... list goes on.

You telling me some states just allow any kid off the street into public schools without any of the shots above?

news to me...

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Well I bet the parents of the 5 year old that died from it yesterday in my state wish their school had given out those shots.

That is sad and scary at the same time. The H1N1 got him fast and he was healthy.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...nts+on+al ert