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quiet · 09-05-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Nice, very nice, thanks for sharing, this is motivating - even today - especially for a gallery submitter dude [no, please don't laught at me! ;)] ;)

not laughing at all. i know it's tough out there, try to change things up a bit, see what works and attack like a heat seeking missle.

JFK · 09-05-2009, 12:40 AM

Great to see a non drama thread having legs

quiet · 09-05-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

I have made more money in adult...before most of you were even online...than most of you will ever make in adult. I sold my adult business years ago...as well as my other businesses...am 100% retired...and I now just dabble to occupy my time. My server was recently hacked and I lost several hundreds of sites...and I am in the process of rebuilding with new sites. I have been...still am...and will be...for several months...running software 24/7...in that effort...which is why I am spending so much time on the board recently arguing with the idiots...just out of boredom...as I sit here and monitor various software that is working for me.

pathfinder, seriously, give it a rest. 100 percent retired. lol. weren't you going to kill yourself when the pain got too bad (or something along those lines) a month ago? do us all a favor.

you do not have a single friend here. you've never met anyone here in person, and no one gives a shit about you. you are an idiot, and a pathetic attempt at threadjacking/trolling (the younger dudes are much better). i would feel bad for you, if you weren't such a anti-social, sociopath.

sigh. my last response to you in this thread. have another drink.

quiet · 09-05-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

I have no idea what you're talking about.

By the way...funny side subject....JFPDUDE (the guy who died, mark or whatever) once told me, that "quiet" was really bill gates....ROFL, the funny thing is...he was being totally serious. RIP MARK.

that's pretty fucking funny, if you're not pulling my leg.

quiet · 09-05-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Great story and great story telling. Nice job.

thanks... i'm pretty sure yours is quite a bit more interesting

jimmy-3-way · 09-05-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

you've never met anyone here in person

Speaking of which - did you/your guys ever do a show or an event?

SleazyDream · 09-05-2009, 12:54 AM

sorry if i brought up something you didn't want to talk about

quiet · 09-05-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx

you from Banff?
I spent there almost a week exactly one year ago. such small touristic city that i would never thought that some adult webmasters could even live there.

i lived there for 3 years, i'm into snowboarding, and with the internet you can bascially go anywhere. moved, got an office, and set up.

quiet · 09-05-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

quiet - i was wondering, what ever happened with your GST issue?

I remember something about they seized money and you hired a lawyer to get it back that took a percentage or something - i even followed some some of it legally though my lawyer but I never bothered to check into what the result was on your problem there?

that's if you want to talk about it - if not then cheers !

yeah, it sucks. i had to pay it for the rest of my internet business life. pretty major fuck over. lost quite a bit of money over it. heh, don't really like talking about it lol. in the end, you live in a country like Canada, you deal with the bullshit, in the end, no one gets out alive.

quiet · 09-05-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

sorry if i brought up something you didn't want to talk about

dude, i have been going through all of this shit, just fire me a facebook message if you need any info...

quiet · 09-05-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Speaking of which - did you/your guys ever do a show or an event?

yeah, we went to internext 2001.

gecko · 09-05-2009, 01:35 AM

Wish I hammered the tgps and mgps back then

lazycash · 09-05-2009, 02:51 AM

Just out of curiosity, I see that your main site domain (i think) seems dead. With all of the thousands of old gallery links out there, why not at least have the domain redirecting to an affiliate link within that niche?

SGS · 09-05-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

mostly just traveling. i am investing, but super conservative....

You gave me some excellent advice a long time back which has made me a lot of money over the years.

Enjoy your retirement.

shuki · 09-05-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

no real impulse, ibill died, and my site with it. i'd already made more than enough, now i'm just involved in wealth preservation, and having fun.

So what kinds of investments and areas are you into now?

Darkhorse · 09-05-2009, 03:32 AM

Nice read mate thanks for sharing

Fletch XXX · 09-05-2009, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by punker barbie

do you have a new girlfriend or something? your posts these days have been really pleasent

lol nice theory, but no. Still with cherrylula after more than a decade, married for over 3 years now.

CDSmith · 09-05-2009, 06:30 AM

Your story adds a whole new meaning to the phrase "go quietly"

BlackCrayon · 09-05-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

this is the only post in this entire thread, that has me a little pissed.

the ENTIRE REASON my site was as successful as it was, was because i never fucked over a single person, ever. Please, someone, anyone, tell us about how i fucked up anyone in any way, or was mr sleazy bags. retarded post.

Everyone who had a paysite mailed or did shitty things with joins back then. Thats basically what i was talking about. I wasn't talking about you specifically but just in general. If you ran a tight clean ship and were that successful, awesome. Its a very rare thing.

Trixxxia · 09-05-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Everyone who had a paysite mailed or did shitty things with joins back then. Thats basically what i was talking about. I wasn't talking about you specifically but just in general. If you ran a tight clean ship and were that successful, awesome. Its a very rare thing.

His was a rare story indeed - if you joined his site, you'd see that you never got fucked, your cancel was respected, your info was not sold/leased to anyone else. He had a clean site and clean practices. The thing is - the bigger programs were already too far into the shadier processes and used to the income that came from it to change. Just goes to show though that even in a world of rich 'shady' people - one clean person could still make it and make it big. Also, if my memory serves (and quiet can correct me on this) - I don't think he had many sites - I think he only had one (perhaps 2 but this wasn't some program with 20-100 paysites).

quiet - the question I have is, by the time iBill died, you could have had so many other billing options put into place, why did you choose to just let it die with it? **Over the course of a few months, you could have had your users 'choosing' to switch over to the new biller, right?**

Shap · 09-05-2009, 07:40 AM

Hey Quiet. I've always been a huge fan of yours. Not many people do it the way you did it.

You came in.
Did it 100% clean.
Made your money
Got out.

There are so few that do it like that. You came in and made it on your terms and left on your terms. I've always had huge respect for you. Great post and great answers

I also have to say thanks for your posts back in the day. They were always a huge motivation. They re-enforced the idea that a paysite that is built on delivering a quality product and treating the customer the right way is viable in this industry. Back before visa regulations were imposed there were VERY few companies that had the balls to do that. Thanks to guys like you, Karups and ATK we followed a business model that suited us well and helped us really kick ass. Thanks!

fuzebox · 09-05-2009, 07:48 AM

Still enjoying this thread

Every time I have a beer at Dusty's I tell my friends about this guy that posts on this message board...

Rui · 09-05-2009, 11:14 AM

Awsome thread.

"quiet", must be one of the few old timers and GFY members that is highly looked up for so many different reasons.

Now the real question is, do you still have a 911T? j/k lol

MissMina · 09-05-2009, 11:42 AM

Very inspirational thread. You seem cool and down to earth. Congrats on your well deserved success.

mopek1 · 09-05-2009, 11:43 AM

Were you ever audited (aside from your GST issue)?

I imagine making that kind of money would raise some flags for Revenue Canada. If so how did it go?

CDSmith · 09-05-2009, 12:44 PM

The thing I always admired about Quiet was that in spite of all his success and growing income, and this goes right back even to his early years, he never allowed it to go to his head, never came on the boards and lorded it over anyone, and never let it turn him into an arrogant elitist prick like it did a lot of others from that time. He's always posted the same way as the same guy.

That's a rare thing in any business but especially this one.

Eman - PG · 09-05-2009, 09:03 PM

Quiet, I've always wondered how come you never left Canada for a sunny and tax free destination to spend 6 months of your life in and then snowboard the Alps, Andes or Rockies the other 6. Friends, family, comfort? You probably financed half of the Olympics cost on your own...

If you don't want to answer publicly email me eman (at) perfectgonzo.com

Mutt · 09-05-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eman - PG

Quiet, I've always wondered how come you never left Canada for a sunny and tax free destination to spend 6 months of your life in and then snowboard the Alps, Andes or Rockies the other 6. Friends, family, comfort? You probably financed half of the Olympics cost on your own...

If you don't want to answer publicly email me eman (at) perfectgonzo.com

quiet did it 100% clean unlike some people - i'll admit though you did a nice job raping Dion the guido from Redlight District to build up bank to start a legitimate program.

rhizome · 09-05-2009, 09:52 PM

Yo Quiet, did you ever buy that loft in Montreal? I want that place.

Jel · 09-05-2009, 09:58 PM

Nice thread indeed

okny · 09-05-2009, 10:37 PM

Great thread always good to hear a success story

Good luck with your retirement and all the best.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

I would say that puts you in the top ten sites for the time period. I had no idea. I mean everybody figured out you were huge when whatever douche posted a link to your MRTG, but I had NO idea.

hell no. not even close lol. lots of people making FAAAAAAARRRRRR more than me. check out cyberage dave's garage lol. now that's money.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Trixxxia

His was a rare story indeed - if you joined his site, you'd see that you never got fucked, your cancel was respected, your info was not sold/leased to anyone else. He had a clean site and clean practices. The thing is - the bigger programs were already too far into the shadier processes and used to the income that came from it to change. Just goes to show though that even in a world of rich 'shady' people - one clean person could still make it and make it big. Also, if my memory serves (and quiet can correct me on this) - I don't think he had many sites - I think he only had one (perhaps 2 but this wasn't some program with 20-100 paysites).

quiet - the question I have is, by the time iBill died, you could have had so many other billing options put into place, why did you choose to just let it die with it? **Over the course of a few months, you could have had your users 'choosing' to switch over to the new biller, right?**

hehe, cheers girl. i have just never had (or wanted) to fuck people over. it was easy (well, maybe not exactly easy)... to produce a quality product, and push the fuck out of it. crank it out as far as it would go. that was the basic philosophy behine UWS. i had 3 paysites over the 10 years, but really, the only one that matters was UWS. ultrawired.com forwarded to UWS by around 2000.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

You gave me some excellent advice a long time back which has made me a lot of money over the years.

Enjoy your retirement.

awesome. can you elaborate at all?

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Hey Quiet. I've always been a huge fan of yours. Not many people do it the way you did it.

You came in.
Did it 100% clean.
Made your money
Got out.

There are so few that do it like that. You came in and made it on your terms and left on your terms. I've always had huge respect for you. Great post and great answers

I also have to say thanks for your posts back in the day. They were always a huge motivation. They re-enforced the idea that a paysite that is built on delivering a quality product and treating the customer the right way is viable in this industry. Back before visa regulations were imposed there were VERY few companies that had the balls to do that. Thanks to guys like you, Karups and ATK we followed a business model that suited us well and helped us really kick ass. Thanks!

cheers man. we need to hook up for a beer or glass of wine at some point.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Still enjoying this thread

Every time I have a beer at Dusty's I tell my friends about this guy that posts on this message board...

jesus, just fire me an email a couple of days before you do dgrigat at]]]] gmail.com

i'll buy you a drink

i currently live 100 feet away from Dusty's lol.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Were you ever audited (aside from your GST issue)?

I imagine making that kind of money would raise some flags for Revenue Canada. If so how did it go?

nope. i have a great accountant, as well as a couple lawyers.

the gst thing though, NOT FUN.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

The thing I always admired about Quiet was that in spite of all his success and growing income, and this goes right back even to his early years, he never allowed it to go to his head, never came on the boards and lorded it over anyone, and never let it turn him into an arrogant elitist prick like it did a lot of others from that time. He's always posted the same way as the same guy.

That's a rare thing in any business but especially this one.

cheers buddy. you are offically in the bro club ;)

MasterBlow · 09-06-2009, 01:02 AM

quiet, you are still around

quiet · 09-06-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eman - PG

Quiet, I've always wondered how come you never left Canada for a sunny and tax free destination to spend 6 months of your life in and then snowboard the Alps, Andes or Rockies the other 6. Friends, family, comfort? You probably financed half of the Olympics cost on your own...

If you don't want to answer publicly email me eman (at) perfectgonzo.com

no problem man, don't mind answering in public (and i think this is someone i might know on a personal level hehe). i love Canada, and everything it has to offer. i am addicted to downhill biking, and snowboarding, and there really is nowhere esle in the world that offers both, world class. that is pretty much the only thing holding me in Canada.i love traveling, and eave the western hemisphere every year for a min of 3 months, max of 6 months.

[email protected]

quiet · 09-06-2009, 01:06 AM

i hit up Argentina every summer (our summer) to snowboard for a month in their winter. awesome shit.

andrej_NDC · 09-06-2009, 02:08 AM

What about my question about the paysite price?

jscott · 09-06-2009, 02:44 AM

I'm the guy that submitted your gallery to thehun and got you listed

......please transfer half your assets and estates to my swiss bank account asap!!!!

:P

Success stories are nice, congrats on succeeding in this business man! Oh, come back to Bk ;)

~Evilin~ · 09-06-2009, 06:04 AM

good story

Agent 488 · 09-06-2009, 08:17 AM

great tale quiet. congrats fellow canuck!

fuzebox · 09-06-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

jesus, just fire me an email a couple of days before you do dgrigat at]]]] gmail.com

i'll buy you a drink

i currently live 100 feet away from Dusty's lol.

I've seen the pics

I usually stay at First Tracks Lodge, although this year I'll probably go to Colorado and skip the olympic frenzy. Sucks because it'll be the first time I won't hit whistler in about 14 seasons.

The single and only reason I miss living in Canada

quiet · 09-06-2009, 09:44 AM

[QUOTE=Trixxxia;16281077

quiet - the question I have is, by the time iBill died, you could have had so many other billing options put into place, why did you choose to just let it die with it? **Over the course of a few months, you could have had your users 'choosing' to switch over to the new biller, right?**[/QUOTE]

missed this. basically, i was burnt out (i pretty much missed all of my 20's working in my office at several computers, 13-14 hours a day, for years and years), so it a good excuse to just close shop. yeah, i could have made it go on, but just didn't feel the motivation, and wanted to finally start really traveling and getting myself back into shape. having time to read an actual book. things like that

quiet · 09-06-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

What about my question about the paysite price?

shit, what was the question? i went from 6.95, to 8.95, to 12.95, and finally to 18.95, that is the price that made the best profit for us, and was the one we used during the big-time 5 years area.

quiet · 09-06-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott

I'm the guy that submitted your gallery to thehun and got you listed

......please transfer half your assets and estates to my swiss bank account asap!!!!

:P

Success stories are nice, congrats on succeeding in this business man! Oh, come back to Bk ;)

hell yeah, BK is a given. it's so hard to hook up with you! hey, are you on my facebook? if not, add me dgrigat [at]] gmail.com

quiet · 09-06-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I've seen the pics

I usually stay at First Tracks Lodge, although this year I'll probably go to Colorado and skip the olympic frenzy. Sucks because it'll be the first time I won't hit whistler in about 14 seasons.

The single and only reason I miss living in Canada

yep, i'm skipping the olympics too. going to be pretty retarded. i'm buying a new place closer to the village (as much as i love creekside, this place is far larger, and way easier access for downhill biking, which i actually enjoy more than snowboarding (please god, don't strike me down) now. i'll still head to creekside for snowboarding in the winter. i have one of those treasured priority passes that lets you bypass the lines and go in the ski school line, for both the creekside gondola, as well as the red chair. myself and up to 3 other people

sucks you aren't coming up at all though...

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09-05-2009, 07:40 AM	#171
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Hey Quiet. I've always been a huge fan of yours. Not many people do it the way you did it. You came in. Did it 100% clean. Made your money Got out. There are so few that do it like that. You came in and made it on your terms and left on your terms. I've always had huge respect for you. Great post and great answers I also have to say thanks for your posts back in the day. They were always a huge motivation. They re-enforced the idea that a paysite that is built on delivering a quality product and treating the customer the right way is viable in this industry. Back before visa regulations were imposed there were VERY few companies that had the balls to do that. Thanks to guys like you, Karups and ATK we followed a business model that suited us well and helped us really kick ass. Thanks!

09-05-2009, 07:48 AM	#172
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,010	Still enjoying this thread Every time I have a beer at Dusty's I tell my friends about this guy that posts on this message board...

09-05-2009, 11:14 AM	#173
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Awsome thread. "quiet", must be one of the few old timers and GFY members that is highly looked up for so many different reasons. Now the real question is, do you still have a 911T? j/k lol

09-05-2009, 11:42 AM	#174
MissMina Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,478	Very inspirational thread. You seem cool and down to earth. Congrats on your well deserved success.

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mopek1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,065	Were you ever audited (aside from your GST issue)? I imagine making that kind of money would raise some flags for Revenue Canada. If so how did it go?

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Eman - PG PG Co-Boss Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: GFY Posts: 524	Quiet, I've always wondered how come you never left Canada for a sunny and tax free destination to spend 6 months of your life in and then snowboard the Alps, Andes or Rockies the other 6. Friends, family, comfort? You probably financed half of the Olympics cost on your own... If you don't want to answer publicly email me eman (at) perfectgonzo.com Last edited by Eman - PG; 09-05-2009 at 09:06 PM..

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09-06-2009, 01:06 AM	#191
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i hit up Argentina every summer (our summer) to snowboard for a month in their winter. awesome shit.

09-06-2009, 02:08 AM	#192
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	What about my question about the paysite price?

09-06-2009, 02:44 AM	#193
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	I'm the guy that submitted your gallery to thehun and got you listed ......please transfer half your assets and estates to my swiss bank account asap!!!! :P Success stories are nice, congrats on succeeding in this business man! Oh, come back to Bk ;)

09-06-2009, 06:04 AM	#194
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09-06-2009, 08:17 AM	#195
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	great tale quiet. congrats fellow canuck!

09-06-2009, 09:44 AM	#197
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	[QUOTE=Trixxxia;16281077 quiet - the question I have is, by the time iBill died, you could have had so many other billing options put into place, why did you choose to just let it die with it? Over the course of a few months, you could have had your users 'choosing' to switch over to the new biller, right?[/QUOTE] missed this. basically, i was burnt out (i pretty much missed all of my 20's working in my office at several computers, 13-14 hours a day, for years and years), so it a good excuse to just close shop. yeah, i could have made it go on, but just didn't feel the motivation, and wanted to finally start really traveling and getting myself back into shape. having time to read an actual book. things like that