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Old 09-13-2009, 04:13 PM   #1
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:2cents Roger Federer

Spectacular shot! Did you see that?

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Old 09-13-2009, 04:16 PM   #2
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Perfect execution for something that is usually done for fun...
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The whole game was good. Loved the volley of them at the net! Plus no line judges were told to "Go die!"
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***SPOILERS***

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The shot itself is awesome obviously, but just the fact that it was the point to set up a triple match point is what's crazy. Imagine being Djokovich watching that happen, then realizing "oh yea, it's now triple match point against me...fuck."

Amazing for how well Djokovich played that he lost in straight sets. Del Potro is playing really well though so not sure the final will be a gimme for Fed.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:37 PM   #9
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Wow, that is simply incredible.
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I'm not sure ANYBODY can beat Del Potro right now. This guy is absolutely amazing. He raped Nadal like Nadal hasn't been raped before(granted he was injured). His forehand is sick and his serve is fast. I'm actually putting money on him in 5 sets tomorrow.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:19 PM   #12
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Wow, that's what I call a confidence killer for Djokovich.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:40 PM   #13
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I was at this match, 5th row behind Djokovich, when the match was over. federer said it was the best shot of his career.
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I was at this match, 5th row behind Djokovich, when the match was over. federer said it was the best shot of his career.
Damn, nice. I wish I could've been there. The only tourney I've gone to was mens semis/womens final at Indian Wells about a decade back...got to see Agassi and Sampras (in separate semis, both won) and Serena I believe. Was nice but nothing like a US Open atmosphere. This year's Open has been pretty exciting.
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Damn, nice. I wish I could've been there. The only tourney I've gone to was mens semis/womens final at Indian Wells about a decade back...got to see Agassi and Sampras (in separate semis, both won) and Serena I believe. Was nice but nothing like a US Open atmosphere. This year's Open has been pretty exciting.
yea, i wish the match was a little bit closer. i am a big djokovich fan, he just didnt bring his A game against federer today. the crowd & the players were both into it though. they definitely played a little for the crowd. I stuck around for the womens finals, with no Williams sister or hot russian chic, it was very boring.
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Hes fuckin amazing. I am a semi pro tennis player and went to college on a full ride scholarship etc and this guy is just unreal. The amazing shot aside, he is the best ever without human growth hormones or any steroids like nadal and verdasco has used. He will have a tough match against del potro though...cant wait.
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he is so much better looking than his wife! That's a step down for sure!

She is very heavily pregnant with twins in that picture.. cut the woman some slack.
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Nice! So funky that he seemed to target the shot...so many people hitting that between the legs shot hit it straight backward, which Djoko would have been in perfect position for...as much as Federer said afterwards he only has pulled that shot off a few times in matches ever, I would not be surprised if he purposely targeted that shot to the side to help win the point vs. simply get it back, which is what separates great players from champions IMO. Insane!
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Hasn't Agassi scored big with that shot as well? I mean years ago.
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Hes fuckin amazing. I am a semi pro tennis player and went to college on a full ride scholarship etc and this guy is just unreal. The amazing shot aside, he is the best ever without human growth hormones or any steroids like nadal and verdasco has used. He will have a tough match against del potro though...cant wait.

What kind of drugs are you on retard? And you can't call him the best ever if he is thoroughly dominated by one opponent. I believe his record against Nadal is 7-13? Sampras had no peer.
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not that anyone will believe it.. but i've done that in match competitions no fewer than 20 times.... but overall i still am not even close to pro level lol what a rush it is to actually pull it off and it *is* easier than it looks...
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What kind of drugs are you on retard? And you can't call him the best ever if he is thoroughly dominated by one opponent. I believe his record against Nadal is 7-13? Sampras had no peer.
Andy Murray has a 6-2 record against Federer, it doesnt really mean shit. He can call him the best player of all time for the simple fact he is the most successful male tennis player of all time, he has won more than Sampras did and he still has 5 or more years to go until he gets to the age sampras was when he retired.
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What kind of drugs are you on retard? And you can't call him the best ever if he is thoroughly dominated by one opponent. I believe his record against Nadal is 7-13? Sampras had no peer.
To do what Federer does and to win as many championships as he has won WITH a peer that can beat only goes to show you how great he is. He has a better win percentage more grand slam championships more ATP victories.

He played Sampras once and beat him

http://www.tennis28.com/studies/Federer_Sampras.html

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Andy Murray has a 6-2 record against Federer, it doesnt really mean shit. He can call him the best player of all time for the simple fact he is the most successful male tennis player of all time, he has won more than Sampras did and he still has 5 or more years to go until he gets to the age sampras was when he retired.
And Sampras played in a tougher era with inferior equipment. G-d only knows what he would do in this era. I saw his matches with Federer at 38. He'd be a top 10 player now.

And Andy Murray's 6-2 record is irrelevant considering he's never beaten him in a major. Nadal has a 5-2 record against Federer IN the majors. Btw, Sampras retired at 30-31.

When all is said and done, and provided he can stay healthy, I'm putting my money on Nadal becoming the greater player of all time.

And your logic is flawed. That's like saying Bill Russell is better than Michael Jordan because he won more titles.
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To do what Federer does and to win as many championships as he has won WITH a peer that can beat only goes to show you how great he is. He has a better win percentage more grand slam championships more ATP victories.

He played Sampras once and beat him

http://www.tennis28.com/studies/Federer_Sampras.html

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Yea, he beat him once, on Sampras' way out. And Federer had no peer until Nadal came along.Nadal has beaten him on Federer's best surfaces, while Federer has yet to beat him in the French Open. Federer got his grand slam at 28, Nadal will probably do it next year. He's 2-5 against Nadal in grand slams. Federer also has had the luxury of NOT being injured and NOT having a peer until Nadal came along. Sampras had Agassi, Courier, Rafter, Chang, Becker, etc.
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Yea, he beat him once, on Sampras' way out. And Federer had no peer until Nadal came along.Nadal has beaten him on Federer's best surfaces, while Federer has yet to beat him in the French Open. Federer got his grand slam at 28, Nadal will probably do it next year. He's 2-5 against Nadal in grand slams. Federer also has had the luxury of NOT being injured and NOT having a peer until Nadal came along. Sampras had Agassi, Courier, Rafter, Chang, Becker, etc.
Chang??? Come on that's a reach man
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Greatest Of All Time is rarely objective, too many variables in practically any sport. There are a dozen reasons why Fed is or isn't, as well as Sampras, and let's not forget guys like Rod Laver. Passage of time, changes in the game/equipment, breakthroughs in conditioning/strategy/techniques, there's no real way to say for sure WHO is the GOAT in a sport like tennis without injecting some opinion.

That said, i think Fed is the GOAT in many ways. Unfortunate he isn't facing Nadal today, though if Fed won, the "yeah buts" would be going "yeah but, Nadal was injured" and "yeah but, it isn't on clay" and etc.
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Greatest Of All Time is rarely objective, too many variables in practically any sport. There are a dozen reasons why Fed is or isn't, as well as Sampras, and let's not forget guys like Rod Laver. Passage of time, changes in the game/equipment, breakthroughs in conditioning/strategy/techniques, there's no real way to say for sure WHO is the GOAT in a sport like tennis without injecting some opinion.

That said, i think Fed is the GOAT in many ways. Unfortunate he isn't facing Nadal today, though if Fed won, the "yeah buts" would be going "yeah but, Nadal was injured" and "yeah but, it isn't on clay" and etc.
No need to make clay arguments anymore as Nadal beat Federer in both the Australian Open and Wimbledon. Federer has yet to prove he can beat Nadal at the French Open. And yes, Nadal didn't pick up a racket for 10 weeks and had an abdominal tear, and yet he still made the semis..
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No need to make clay arguments anymore as Nadal beat Federer in both the Australian Open and Wimbledon. Federer has yet to prove he can beat Nadal at the French Open. And yes, Nadal didn't pick up a racket for 10 weeks and had an abdominal tear, and yet he still made the semis..
It's ok to be a Nadal fan or a Sampras fan. Really. No justifications necessary.
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What kind of drugs are you on retard? And you can't call him the best ever if he is thoroughly dominated by one opponent. I believe his record against Nadal is 7-13? Sampras had no peer.
Except Sampras couldn't win the French either. In fact, Sampras was flat out wimpy in the French vs. other tourneys and overall on clay vs. over surfaces. In the French, no finals even, only reached semi's once, only reached quarters 4 times out of 13 appearances, overall 24?13 French Open record and 90?54 on clay overall.

Meanwhile the ONLY thing that's stood in the way of Federer possibly winning 4 French Opens in a row is Nadal, who is arguably one of the greatest clay players of all time (31-1 at French Open, 179-16 on Clay hmm? Since 2005, 153-8 with Fed being 2 of his losses). Fed lost to him 3 Finals in a row, then won against Soderling after Soderling handed Nadal his only ever French Open loss. Fed's all-time French Open record is 39?10, all time clay record is 139?42, with his record since 2003 on Clay being 100-16, with 9 of those losses being against Nadal. Federer's clay performance makes Sampras' clay performance look amateurish.

You can't ignore that Federer has had a more well-rounded skill than Sampras, who sure was certainly talented other than his serving and volleying but who would not have been dominant without those skills paving the way. The funky thing is if you watch Federer especially over the last couple years, with a much less flashier serve (barely ever over 130 MPH), he's able to get mad aces on people because of his incredible placement. If Sampras's power + Federer's placement would probably be the most dominant serve ever.

Yes, a "well" Nadal has the jump on Federer right now overall given the last finals wins he's had on Fed in Wimbledon and Australian...only time will tell if Fed will get the jump back on Nadal once Nadal is back at 100%, but if you were to take out Fed's clay record against Nadal, Fed actually still leads 5-4 on grass and hard courts despite those last 2 final losses to Nadal. Keep in mind Fed started '08 with mono so it wasn't exactly him at his best that year and his results showed that. And Nadal did beat him in the Wimbledon and Aussie but had to really work for both wins.

Next year will be a really interesting year if Nadal hopefully gets back to full speed. Consider the likes of Murray, Djokovich, Del Potro, Verdasco and Roddick all steadily improving right behind the two. Who knows - Fed/Nadal may cease to be dominant as soon as next year. Keep in mind that Sampras may not have had the equipment players have now, but he didn't have to contend with the physical conditioning that top echelon players have today either...Nadal for instance is a freakin' machine that can wear down anyone and some of the aforementioned players have pretty big endurance.

Where things are at now: Federer continuing the way he is is the greatest player of all time UNLESS Nadal starts dominating and becomes the greatest of all time...UNLESS one of those aforementioned steps up and starts dominating big time, etc. It's hard to argue against Fed right now unless talking about a Rod Laver, though it'd be hard to compare them (Laver obviously EXTREMELY dominant for a number of years, but Federer is at about the amount of years of Laver's dominance and is continuing to rack up the numbers). I'm not sure any other names could really enter the mix right now. I think even Sampras himself would concede that Federer has overtaken him in all-time accolades and thorough dominance even if he is troubled against Nadal.
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he is so much better looking than his wife! That's a step down for sure!

maybe she's a nice person and he loves her?

man, i'm happy that not everyone out there just goes for the looks of someone. and i wish you a happy life with a good looking but shallow person
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How do you beat someone like that?
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looks like he is loosing right now..
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How do you beat someone like that?
Ask Del Potro.
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Except Sampras couldn't win the French either. In fact, Sampras was flat out wimpy in the French vs. other tourneys and overall on clay vs. over surfaces. In the French, no finals even, only reached semi's once, only reached quarters 4 times out of 13 appearances, overall 24?13 French Open record and 90?54 on clay overall.
And Federer needed Nadal to be injured and out of the way to win. Great

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Meanwhile the ONLY thing that's stood in the way of Federer possibly winning 4 French Opens in a row is Nadal, who is arguably one of the greatest clay players of all time (31-1 at French Open, 179-16 on Clay hmm? Since 2005, 153-8 with Fed being 2 of his losses). Fed lost to him 3 Finals in a row, then won against Soderling after Soderling handed Nadal his only ever French Open loss. Fed's all-time French Open record is 39?10, all time clay record is 139?42, with his record since 2003 on Clay being 100-16, with 9 of those losses being against Nadal. Federer's clay performance makes Sampras' clay performance look amateurish.
And yet again, Sampras faced much better competition in a better era.

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You can't ignore that Federer has had a more well-rounded skill than Sampras, who sure was certainly talented other than his serving and volleying but who would not have been dominant without those skills paving the way. The funky thing is if you watch Federer especially over the last couple years, with a much less flashier serve (barely ever over 130 MPH), he's able to get mad aces on people because of his incredible placement. If Sampras's power + Federer's placement would probably be the most dominant serve ever.
What do you mean wouldn't have been dominant without those skills? That's like me saying Federer wouldn't be dominant without his forehand or backhand. This is their skills and this is the different eras they played in.

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Yes, a "well" Nadal has the jump on Federer right now overall given the last finals wins he's had on Fed in Wimbledon and Australian...only time will tell if Fed will get the jump back on Nadal once Nadal is back at 100%, but if you were to take out Fed's clay record against Nadal, Fed actually still leads 5-4 on grass and hard courts despite those last 2 final losses to Nadal. Keep in mind Fed started '08 with mono so it wasn't exactly him at his best that year and his results showed that. And Nadal did beat him in the Wimbledon and Aussie but had to really work for both wins.
Unfortunately, "taking things away" is not how this discussion works. By your logic, if you take away grass and hard court, Federer has NEVER beaten him. See how that works? At the same time, Nadal beat Federer at Federer's own game...Twice....Federer has yet to do the same to Nadal.

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Next year will be a really interesting year if Nadal hopefully gets back to full speed. Consider the likes of Murray, Djokovich, Del Potro, Verdasco and Roddick all steadily improving right behind the two. Who knows - Fed/Nadal may cease to be dominant as soon as next year. Keep in mind that Sampras may not have had the equipment players have now, but he didn't have to contend with the physical conditioning that top echelon players have today either...Nadal for instance is a freakin' machine that can wear down anyone and some of the aforementioned players have pretty big endurance.
Other than Nadal and Del Potro, the other players you have listed don't have the mental toughness to compete with these 3. I don't see Federer and Nadal being broken up by anyone other than Del Potro.

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Where things are at now: Federer continuing the way he is is the greatest player of all time UNLESS Nadal starts dominating and becomes the greatest of all time...UNLESS one of those aforementioned steps up and starts dominating big time, etc. It's hard to argue against Fed right now unless talking about a Rod Laver, though it'd be hard to compare them (Laver obviously EXTREMELY dominant for a number of years, but Federer is at about the amount of years of Laver's dominance and is continuing to rack up the numbers). I'm not sure any other names could really enter the mix right now. I think even Sampras himself would concede that Federer has overtaken him in all-time accolades and thorough dominance even if he is troubled against Nadal.
Laver won a grand slam in one year. Bjorn Borg won 11 damn grand slams by 25. Pete Sampras played in what was arguably the best era in tennis and won 14. Federer is unable to dominate Nadal.. There's very many arguments against Federer being the greatest.
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