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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 09-19-2009, 09:00 PM

I bought a handful of sites of him a whie back, then got seperated from my internet for a few days while he was trying to get the transfer info to me. Once I got back online, he seemed to have disappeared. Anyone seen him around? If you chat with him or anything like that and happen to see him, please let him know I need to get in touch with him.

TwisterPro · 09-20-2009, 05:47 PM

JewCat - and ANYONE Else that needs me please send me your ICQ on this thread. Cant get into my old ICQ, so please everyone who needs to holler at me post here. I will hit you up from this.. Thank JewCat!! hitting you up now!

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 09-20-2009, 06:22 PM

Thanks for getting back to me, thought I lost ya.

HowlingWulf · 09-20-2009, 06:38 PM

Same here. I sent you an email as well earlier.

HowlingWulf · 09-21-2009, 06:04 PM

Twisteeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr. WTF are you?

Paul&John · 09-22-2009, 03:01 AM

Same here man.. 213632403..

Ross · 09-22-2009, 04:25 AM

Can you contact me as well to finish our deal?

Agent 488 · 09-22-2009, 06:12 AM

i predict this wont end well.

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-22-2009, 06:17 AM

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

HowlingWulf · 09-22-2009, 08:27 PM

Has he contacted anyone? I see him bumping other posts but it seems he took the money and ran...

Paul&John · 09-23-2009, 05:05 AM

Yap it seems like so.. is there a way to refund epass?

Agent 488 · 09-23-2009, 07:02 AM

wow that sucks.

HomerSimpson · 09-24-2009, 09:19 AM

hit me up on ICQ too...
my number is in the sig

thanks

HowlingWulf · 09-24-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul&John

Yap it seems like so.. is there a way to refund epass?

It's not clear-cut like Paypal, but you can send details under the 'Contact Us' tab.

> Thank you for your email. In regards to your concern, we would like to
> inform you that ePassporte does provides the facility to the ePassporte
> Account Holders to dispute regarding the transaction/s which are done from
> their ePassporte Account.
>
> Kindly provide us the transaction date, amount and the merchant's name if
> you want to dispute regarding a transaction, so that we can proceed
> further accordingly.

~Ray · 09-24-2009, 06:55 PM

bump bump

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 09-24-2009, 08:49 PM

I talked to Twisterpro the other day, and I still have not received anything. Admittedly I have not been online much myself the last few days. I have no reason to believe I've been ripped off yet, and am fairly confident this is just an unfortunate hold up. I've been ripped off enough times, I've been left waiting a few times. It doesn't quite feel like a screwing yet.

If anyone else is waiting on things, please hit me up on ICQ for a little chat. i'm curious what's happening.

HomerSimpson · 09-25-2009, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

I talked to Twisterpro the other day, and I still have not received anything. Admittedly I have not been online much myself the last few days. I have no reason to believe I've been ripped off yet, and am fairly confident this is just an unfortunate hold up. I've been ripped off enough times, I've been left waiting a few times. It doesn't quite feel like a screwing yet.

If anyone else is waiting on things, please hit me up on ICQ for a little chat. i'm curious what's happening.

added you to the ICQ...

Paul&John · 09-25-2009, 02:00 PM

Also added you to thq icq

HomerSimpson · 09-28-2009, 04:12 AM

to the top!

NinjaSteve · 09-29-2009, 04:23 AM

I bought some services from TwisterPro. ICQ convo was great, epass money transfered, e-mail was sent. Then he's gone *poof*

Last we spoke was Sept 23rd. I hope he comes back and everything is peachy.

bloggerz · 09-29-2009, 04:39 AM

bump 4 guys

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-29-2009, 05:07 AM

bump for retards trying to do business together

SilentBean · 09-29-2009, 05:33 AM

Bump Bump Bump Bump

Freaky_Akula · 09-29-2009, 05:39 AM

BBumped..

WalkerTR · 09-29-2009, 05:44 AM

. . . . . . . . . . . bump

MrCain · 09-29-2009, 05:48 AM

Buuumped.

pornguy · 09-29-2009, 05:49 AM

Its soooo nice to see friends reunite online.

KingNigel · 09-29-2009, 05:54 AM

bump bump

Paul&John · 09-29-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

It's not clear-cut like Paypal, but you can send details under the 'Contact Us' tab.

> Thank you for your email. In regards to your concern, we would like to
> inform you that ePassporte does provides the facility to the ePassporte
> Account Holders to dispute regarding the transaction/s which are done from
> their ePassporte Account.
>
> Kindly provide us the transaction date, amount and the merchant's name if
> you want to dispute regarding a transaction, so that we can proceed
> further accordingly.

Talked to them, and they told me that the account has been closed already..

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 09-29-2009, 02:30 PM

Nah, this is done. Money is gone.

I at one point had access to his namecheap account, and hosting control panel. I broke my aircard on the road, and I've been away from the net periodically making doing anything difficult. I attempted to go back into the namecheap to recover the domains I had supposedly bought. Sure enough passwords changed. I figured it was just shit communication on my part. But people have shown me a few things and it's not adding up anymore. Was pretty convincing little con.

Kiss whatever money you spent goodbye...

Thank yourselves that most of the people who i know of didn't get taken for much.

HomerSimpson · 09-30-2009, 08:11 AM

this is just great...
this is my first time getting scammed on GFY...
and I'm pissed off...

Paul&John · 09-30-2009, 08:14 AM

What he offered for the money was too good to be true

Lace · 09-30-2009, 08:24 AM

We need a forum for shit like this!

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 09-30-2009, 09:26 PM

First time I've been ripped off in a long time on GFY. I paid via Western Union. I have a phone number based in Hanover, IN which I was called at regarding setting up payment. The payment was made to a Ashley Owens in Lexington, IN.

I'll dig up the eact details and post them here later.

GAMEFINEST · 09-30-2009, 09:30 PM

sorry to hear that man

Paul&John · 10-02-2009, 09:16 AM

Bump for this

~Ray · 10-02-2009, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

First time I've been ripped off in a long time on GFY. I paid via Western Union. I have a phone number based in Hanover, IN which I was called at regarding setting up payment. The payment was made to a Ashley Owens in Lexington, IN.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ashley-Owens/1484089354

NinjaSteve · 10-03-2009, 01:35 AM

Totally lame. I wonder how much money he made off with.

maxiking · 10-04-2009, 01:01 PM

It's a beastly shame.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 10-04-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Ray

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ashley-Owens/1484089354

That shows as Lexington Kentucky. Not saying it isn't the person, but here's the information I have..

My purchase was to be for a set of domains. I was given access to their Namecheap account to look through the list of available domains. I SHOULD have transferred the domains out myself right then and there, but I was feeling pretty comfy at that point.

NAMECHEAP USERNAME: lcfreesites

DOMAINS IN THE PORTFOLIO:
pornofuckin.com
adultwebmasterpro.com
1000gallerys.com
freelawrencejones.com
pussetube.com
moremyspaceadds.com
southernindiananews.com
trannyblogz.com
twisterpro.com

date2night.net
hanoverindiana.net
linkspots.net
linktraders.net
mobadds.net
prepaidreview.net
quicktransfers.net
starterhosting.net
webcamgals.net
webmaster2.net

xlinks.tv
lova.tv

tramps.me
p3e.me
pr3.me
pr9.me
pusse.me

cheapsubmit.biz
webpromote.biz

19sex.info
8teensex.info
amateurflix.info
analdeep.info
asiancute.info
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teendreams.info
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webcamgals.info
wilfs.info
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wilfz.info

Searching for a few of these names in Google turns up the username lcdesigns at DigitalPoint.

I was contacted by a GUY from the number 812-866-1805 to get information regarding the WesternUnion money order I sent them.

The money order was made out to a Ashley Owens, to be picked up in Lexington Indiana. Now they never claimed to be a chick to me, and nothing came across as really odd as i know a couple guys with the name Ashley. Others I spoke to had mentioned that Twisterpro had referred to themselves as a women. Which was where I started to see this going downhill quickly.

812-866-1805 is a landline in Hanover Indiana, and as you can see in the domain list, they are the owner of hanoverindiana.net, which leads me to believe they are infact located in Hanover and not Lexington. I have called the number back and could not contact Ashley, though I spoke to another guy who claims to be Ashley's cousin. i told him the story and he seemed pretty shocked. It was definitely not who I spoke to last time around when the male called me. He gave me this number 812-614-6093 which is supposedly Ashley's cellphone. It is currently not accepting calls when I try to call it.

I just called again and spoke to the cousin again now, and according to him Ashley will be in the house tomorrow morning, probably throughout the day. That is at this number, 812-866-1805.

So regardless of whoever the male voice who I dealt with on the phone was, Ashley Owens is a real girl, and this is her family's number. I will be calling back tomorrow, I suggest anyone else who is caught up in this deal does too.

If not, this is my next call.

Police Dept-City
Hanover, IN 47243
United States
(812) 866-2131‎

Though that will probably turn fuck all up, at least it's trying. I'd love to see one of these scammers bite the bullet one day...

Agent 488 · 10-04-2009, 04:07 PM

some guy probably conned some fat emo chick to pick up the wire.

call the cops and see what they have to say.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 10-04-2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

some guy probably conned some fat emo chick to pick up the wire.

call the cops and see what they have to say.

First I need to talk to this fat emo chick and find out who the dude collecting our money is. This is a better lead than I've had on anyone else who's ripped me off in the last few years. I know calling the cops probably isn't gonna do shit. But hey, what harm is there in filing a complaint and trying to do something about it? Trust me, I have all the time in the world to be a pain in the ass if I want to be...

Si · 10-04-2009, 04:28 PM

well that fucking sucks

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 10-04-2009, 04:42 PM

Only 5 numbers listed for "Owens" in Hanover, Indiana. With a population of 3800 I'm sure there's not gonna be too much hunting around to do. I'm from a town of around 5500, and anyone and everyone knows eachother's business around here...

http://whitepages.addresses.com/resu...anover&qfilter[pro]=on&qi=0&qk=10&qn=Owens&qs=IN

Agent 488 · 10-04-2009, 04:49 PM

lcdesigns here in gfy has same icq as some guy named kylan who claims to own mobsterhelp.com. that whois is owned by someone in edmonton.

http://www.gfy.com/sell-and-buy-forum/912391-hardlink-spots-4-domains-5-blogs-30-free-sites-3-00-a.html
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1379382
http://whois.domaintools.com/mobsterhelp.com

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 10-04-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

lcdesigns here in gfy has same icq as some guy named kylan who claims to own mobsterhelp.com. that whois is owned by someone in edmonton.

http://www.gfy.com/sell-and-buy-forum/912391-hardlink-spots-4-domains-5-blogs-30-free-sites-3-00-a.html
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1379382
http://whois.domaintools.com/mobsterhelp.com

I wish it was someone in Edmonton, I'd just go beat my money out of them. But no, I'm pretty sure they are in fact in Indiana...

Agent 488 · 10-04-2009, 04:54 PM

same guy who scanned lia19. http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/915426-gfy-person.html

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 10-04-2009, 04:56 PM

Oh snap, this is definitely the same person who ripped off Lia!

Agent 488 · 10-04-2009, 04:59 PM

lots of info in that thread. dude may be old scammer Roger Kidd. http://www.myspace.com/kidd223

Agent 488 · 10-04-2009, 05:00 PM

call the cops. he prob. just got tubby to pick up the western union. with his record he'll going back to the big house.

09-19-2009, 09:00 PM	#1
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	Anyone seen or heard from Twisterpro lately? I bought a handful of sites of him a whie back, then got seperated from my internet for a few days while he was trying to get the transfer info to me. Once I got back online, he seemed to have disappeared. Anyone seen him around? If you chat with him or anything like that and happen to see him, please let him know I need to get in touch with him.

09-20-2009, 05:47 PM	#2
TwisterPro Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 225	JewCat - and ANYONE Else that needs me please send me your ICQ on this thread. Cant get into my old ICQ, so please everyone who needs to holler at me post here. I will hit you up from this.. Thank JewCat!! hitting you up now! __________________ We have the traffic, hardlinks, blog posting services & more webmaster @ Twisterpro.com Skype: TwisterProInc

09-20-2009, 06:38 PM	#4
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09-21-2009, 06:04 PM	#5
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09-20-2009, 06:22 PM	#3
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09-22-2009, 04:25 AM	#7
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09-22-2009, 06:12 AM	#8
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09-22-2009, 06:17 AM	#9
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09-22-2009, 08:27 PM	#10
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09-23-2009, 05:05 AM	#11
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09-23-2009, 07:02 AM	#12
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09-24-2009, 09:19 AM	#13
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09-24-2009, 08:49 PM	#16
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	I talked to Twisterpro the other day, and I still have not received anything. Admittedly I have not been online much myself the last few days. I have no reason to believe I've been ripped off yet, and am fairly confident this is just an unfortunate hold up. I've been ripped off enough times, I've been left waiting a few times. It doesn't quite feel like a screwing yet. If anyone else is waiting on things, please hit me up on ICQ for a little chat. i'm curious what's happening. Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 09-24-2009 at 08:52 PM..

09-25-2009, 02:00 PM	#18
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09-28-2009, 04:12 AM	#19
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09-29-2009, 04:23 AM	#20
NinjaSteve Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 11,089	I bought some services from TwisterPro. ICQ convo was great, epass money transfered, e-mail was sent. Then he's gone poof Last we spoke was Sept 23rd. I hope he comes back and everything is peachy. __________________ ...

09-29-2009, 04:39 AM	#21
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09-29-2009, 05:07 AM	#22
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09-29-2009, 02:30 PM	#30
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	Nah, this is done. Money is gone. I at one point had access to his namecheap account, and hosting control panel. I broke my aircard on the road, and I've been away from the net periodically making doing anything difficult. I attempted to go back into the namecheap to recover the domains I had supposedly bought. Sure enough passwords changed. I figured it was just shit communication on my part. But people have shown me a few things and it's not adding up anymore. Was pretty convincing little con. Kiss whatever money you spent goodbye... Thank yourselves that most of the people who i know of didn't get taken for much. Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 09-29-2009 at 02:32 PM..

09-30-2009, 08:11 AM	#31
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09-30-2009, 09:26 PM	#34
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	First time I've been ripped off in a long time on GFY. I paid via Western Union. I have a phone number based in Hanover, IN which I was called at regarding setting up payment. The payment was made to a Ashley Owens in Lexington, IN. I'll dig up the eact details and post them here later.

09-30-2009, 09:30 PM	#35
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10-03-2009, 01:35 AM	#38
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10-04-2009, 01:01 PM	#39
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