Epoch is asking to see two of my models IDs - Page 7 - GoFuckYourself.com

mmcfadden · 09-22-2009, 06:17 PM

3 hundo epoch question

borked · 09-22-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Is it hard for you people to believe that when you do business with others, they take on risk, for sure in situations like Epoch?
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But... if in the same time, I can't see how equal respect can't be given to Epoch for supporting our entire Industry and Community that uses them. Making sure they will be around when, stupid shit, goes down... I can support blindly when it's my business on the line too.

OK, I only managed to get to post #174, but I never read anything on the matter, so I'll ask it.

If it's ok for epoch to demand IDs or they will dump you, then where does that put non-US companies that don't fall under the 2257 law? I'm not doing anything wrong by not holding docs on file, so why am I putting Epoch at risk?

Or is epoch only processing for 2257-regulated US companies now?

Iron Fist · 09-22-2009, 10:27 PM

See sig

No 2257 required!

Brujah · 09-22-2009, 10:45 PM

Who processes for Tube sites? Are they 2257 exempt?

Robbie · 09-22-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Who processes for Tube sites? Are they 2257 exempt?

Yep. As long as they can claim "user upload" they seem to be legally exempt from EVERYTHING.

Brujah · 09-22-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. As long as they can claim "user upload" they seem to be legally exempt from EVERYTHING.

I'm not really seeing the down side to running your own Tube filled with stolen, er.. user submitted content then to be honest.

Robbie · 09-22-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I'm not really seeing the down side to running your own Tube filled with stolen, er.. user submitted content then to be honest.

There isn't a down side at this point. Of course trying to start one now would be pretty fruitless. The big ones got there firstest with the mostest and have built up a big following.

DWB · 09-23-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's kinda like they have hired people to look for this kind of thing...and since it's pretty obvious that is an overwhelming task with hundreds, maybe thousands of sites and hundreds of thousands of images and movies to look at...so the low salary guy who has that job makes sure to ask for a few id's from different sites so he can say to his superior: "Hey look! I verified some more ID's this month. My job is necessary"

If the models in question honestly look underage, I still would not be happy, but I could at least somewhat understand where they were coming from. However, since they are clearly not underage, this means a low level and poorly trained (or brand new) guy flagged them. So how do you trust a new, low level or poorly trained guy, with ANYTHING, if he can not even spot girls who really look underage and know that saggy tits and swollen bellies from having kids, usually doesn't go hand and hand with little underage girls. If a well trained employee was at the wheel, these girls would not be in question.

_Richard_ · 09-23-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Here are the two girls in question, who "appear fairly young."

Both have had kids, and both are CLEARLY not underage.

So please, what is the point in this? Why does "Joe" from "Support" hit me up asking about the IDs of these two girls, when I have girls who look way younger than these two. It doesn't make sense.

So what if I black out the IDs, they can not even verify the IDs are real or who the model really is, so how does this protect Epoch?

DOES ANYONE HERE THINK THESE GIRLS LOOK UNDERAGE?

bump for you

DWB · 09-24-2009, 02:02 AM

UPDATE:

The only data Epoch will allow to be redacted, is the models address. ALL other information must be shown, along with a signed model release, OR they will terminate ALL processing for my account, including ALL rebills, by September 25, 2009, no later than 5:30pm PST.

<insert "tub girl" photo here>

andrej_NDC · 09-24-2009, 02:41 AM

This is good info...at least we know to stay away from epoch. How the fuck do they dare to keep your rebills? That would be stealing.

quantum-x · 09-24-2009, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

UPDATE:

The only data Epoch will allow to be redacted, is the models address. ALL other information must be shown, along with a signed model release, OR they will terminate ALL processing for my account, including ALL rebills, by September 25, 2009, no later than 5:30pm PST.

<insert "tub girl" photo here>

We had the same situation.
Processing on Epoch EU, etc. Was asked for ID for 5 models picked randomly - including photos that had no heads in them.

It's a binary situation: you want to work with Epoch, you have to cough it up. If you object, you don't.

DWB · 09-24-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

We had the same situation.
Processing on Epoch EU, etc. Was asked for ID for 5 models picked randomly - including photos that had no heads in them.

It's a binary situation: you want to work with Epoch, you have to cough it up. If you object, you don't.

What did you do? The headless models... classic.

I started out hell bent against it. Then I thought, well, if I can black everything out but the face and DOB, there could be nothing bad come of that. I even figured I would let them do something the FBI is not allowed to do. But that wasn't good enough.

Honestly, if the girls in question actually looked underage, I can see where they are coming from. But those girls, it just throws a red flag to me.

BigDeanEvans · 09-24-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

What did you do? The headless models... classic.

I started out hell bent against it. Then I thought, well, if I can black everything out but the face and DOB, there could be nothing bad come of that. I even figured I would let them do something the FBI is not allowed to do. But that wasn't good enough.

Honestly, if the girls in question actually looked underage, I can see where they are coming from. But those girls, it just throws a red flag to me.

Shitty situation and i have been there except it was the FEDS, so naturally i didn't have a choice

( which turned out it was a false accusation by a mother of a model) but i would have just sent them over without stirring up any shit. I don't know about you, but my processors hold a lot of my money, so it wouldn't have even given it a second thought. I would have just blacked out the address and faxed them over.

09-22-2009, 10:27 PM	#303
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	See sig No 2257 required! __________________ i like waffles

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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Who processes for Tube sites? Are they 2257 exempt? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

09-22-2009, 06:17 PM	#301
mmcfadden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: philly Posts: 5,099	3 hundo epoch question

09-24-2009, 02:02 AM	#310
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	UPDATE: The only data Epoch will allow to be redacted, is the models address. ALL other information must be shown, along with a signed model release, OR they will terminate ALL processing for my account, including ALL rebills, by September 25, 2009, no later than 5:30pm PST. <insert "tub girl" photo here>

09-24-2009, 02:41 AM	#311
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	This is good info...at least we know to stay away from epoch. How the fuck do they dare to keep your rebills? That would be stealing.