I blame the dumpsites.. and free sites.. and.. - GoFuckYourself.com

Jack Sparrow · 10-16-2009, 04:56 AM

Since theres another spark of "tubes are killing the biz" threads, lets see what you guys think this.

First of, lets clearify something: There are TUBES and there are ILLEGAL TUBES. Now we never seem to agree on the 100% definition of illegal (useruploaded..) but lets, for this one thread, conclude that when we are talking about ILLEGAL TUBES we are talking about those that allow surfers to view full-length videos produced by companies without them having the rights to do so freely.

Lets try and NOT generalise the TUBES anymore. TUBES, no worries. ILLEGAL TUBES, no good.

That being sad, my ears echo every night from all the complaints about those illegal tubes (remember, we need to say illegal tubes, not just tubes kids!). And those complaints are 100% legit.

But i never hear anyone complain about those other types of sites that do exactly the same. Or maybe even worse.

Dumpsites, freesites.

When i browse the web, i see WAY more dumpsites and freesites then tubesites. And comparing stats of those 3, i notice that the dump and freesites often are WAY bigger then the tubesites.

Now that isnt a real problem yet right. But on those dump and freesites, i see almost ALL of them using embeds and almost 90% of them arent even promoting the programs of the videos they embed. NO links at all, NO banners NO buttons, nothing. They seem to have some banners up to unrelated programs, or even camsites, but almost NEVER to the right program matching the video.

And i just wonder.. is that "more or less" ok for program owners? That those sites/webmasters take whatever hosted embed from your site and dont even promote your program?

No offense to anyone, but i for my part, would hate it pretty much if i would see my videos being hosted by some huge ass free/dump sites, without putting even one link back to the program up.

Why am i telling you all this? I dont even know.. Maybe its because i had a conversation once with a rep of some big sponsors, that didnt like the idea of me having 1 link to another program on their videos, while there are 5-6 banners on every videopage of them going back to THEIR program.

/Rant over. Lets get back to making money again.

4pleasure · 10-16-2009, 06:28 AM

Hey MrFrisky, You've got a good point there. We need to get organized about this. Maybe make a list of all illegal sites so sponsors can look at who is stealing their content to take the nescessary legal steps.

Jack Sparrow · 10-16-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4pleasure

Hey MrFrisky, You've got a good point there. We need to get organized about this. Maybe make a list of all illegal sites so sponsors can look at who is stealing their content to take the nescessary legal steps.

Wont ever work and im not after that either, but fact remains, is people keep "bitching" about tubes, but never about the big part of this industrie.

Robbie · 10-16-2009, 01:28 PM

I'm not sure what a "dumpsite" is? Help me out on that.

Major (Tom) · 10-17-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not sure what a "dumpsite" is? Help me out on that.

i think something like sexyshare.net and hornywhores.net ---> porn-w.org
watch those guys good... 4 times a day minimum
Duke

Dirty Dane · 10-17-2009, 03:08 AM

I think if someone import and show ALL FHGs, movies etc. from their sponsor at their page at once, then it's a dump. Bad "strategy", but different from infringement.

Barefootsies · 10-17-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I think if someone import and show ALL FHGs, movies etc. from their sponsor at their page at once, then it's a dump. Bad "strategy"

Yep.

Then wonder why they can't sell anything like it's a big mystery...

Jack Sparrow · 10-17-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Yep.

Then wonder why they can't sell anything like it's a big mystery...

And the sponsors wondering why they dont get any sales in return for burning bandwidth and supplying them with free content

Dirty Dane · 10-19-2009, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

And the sponsors wondering why they dont get any sales in return for burning bandwidth and supplying them with free content

This is marketing policy, nothing new really. Some programs rely on the amount of traffic, others quality and limit content/affiliates. Piracy however, is not part of that equilibrium.

Jack Sparrow · 10-19-2009, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

This is marketing policy, nothing new really. Some programs rely on the amount of traffic, others quality and limit content/affiliates. Piracy however, is not part of that equilibrium.

The key thing is however, almost all of those sites dont have 1 backlink to their programs, but a lot of them going to their competitors or completely different adult companies. Dunno what kind of marketing that is, but im sure its not gonna work out

Nautilus · 10-19-2009, 02:26 PM

Most of the illegal tubes do not bother with a backlink because they're not here to sell paysites, their money come from elsewhere.

Tease4Cash · 10-24-2009, 06:45 AM

Sadly people would do almost anything to make money

Jack Sparrow · 10-31-2009, 01:13 AM

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/936159-am-wrong-ban-affiliates-embedding-deceptive-links.html

See up, i guess more people are getting sick of this..

10-16-2009, 04:56 AM	#1
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	I blame the dumpsites.. and free sites.. and.. Since theres another spark of "tubes are killing the biz" threads, lets see what you guys think this. First of, lets clearify something: There are TUBES and there are ILLEGAL TUBES. Now we never seem to agree on the 100% definition of illegal (useruploaded..) but lets, for this one thread, conclude that when we are talking about ILLEGAL TUBES we are talking about those that allow surfers to view full-length videos produced by companies without them having the rights to do so freely. Lets try and NOT generalise the TUBES anymore. TUBES, no worries. ILLEGAL TUBES, no good. That being sad, my ears echo every night from all the complaints about those illegal tubes (remember, we need to say illegal tubes, not just tubes kids!). And those complaints are 100% legit. But i never hear anyone complain about those other types of sites that do exactly the same. Or maybe even worse. Dumpsites, freesites. When i browse the web, i see WAY more dumpsites and freesites then tubesites. And comparing stats of those 3, i notice that the dump and freesites often are WAY bigger then the tubesites. Now that isnt a real problem yet right. But on those dump and freesites, i see almost ALL of them using embeds and almost 90% of them arent even promoting the programs of the videos they embed. NO links at all, NO banners NO buttons, nothing. They seem to have some banners up to unrelated programs, or even camsites, but almost NEVER to the right program matching the video. And i just wonder.. is that "more or less" ok for program owners? That those sites/webmasters take whatever hosted embed from your site and dont even promote your program? No offense to anyone, but i for my part, would hate it pretty much if i would see my videos being hosted by some huge ass free/dump sites, without putting even one link back to the program up. Why am i telling you all this? I dont even know.. Maybe its because i had a conversation once with a rep of some big sponsors, that didnt like the idea of me having 1 link to another program on their videos, while there are 5-6 banners on every videopage of them going back to THEIR program. /Rant over. Lets get back to making money again.

10-16-2009, 01:28 PM	#4
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I'm not sure what a "dumpsite" is? Help me out on that. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

10-17-2009, 03:08 AM	#6
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	I think if someone import and show ALL FHGs, movies etc. from their sponsor at their page at once, then it's a dump. Bad "strategy", but different from infringement. Last edited by Dirty Dane; 10-17-2009 at 03:09 AM..

10-19-2009, 02:26 PM	#11
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10-16-2009, 06:28 AM	#2
4pleasure Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 303	Hey MrFrisky, You've got a good point there. We need to get organized about this. Maybe make a list of all illegal sites so sponsors can look at who is stealing their content to take the nescessary legal steps.

10-24-2009, 06:45 AM	#12
Tease4Cash Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 52	Sadly people would do almost anything to make money

10-31-2009, 01:13 AM	#13
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/936159-am-wrong-ban-affiliates-embedding-deceptive-links.html See up, i guess more people are getting sick of this..