Is 301 "moved" redirect = Banned in Google? - GoFuckYourself.com

Black_Widow · 10-22-2009, 03:00 PM

I couple sites that went down due to crappy hosting company so I had to put 301 redirect on them to my other site. The site was nicely indexed in Google but two month later when I brought it back on line, it appears to be banned. I submitted two different reconsideration requests with no luck. So whats going on there? Any insider information from SEO gurus?

Jdoughs · 10-22-2009, 03:04 PM

301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win.

301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site).

A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines.

Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend.

seeric · 10-22-2009, 03:05 PM

^^ what he said. real smart dude.

Barefootsies · 10-22-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric

^^ what he said. real smart dude.

True dat

Agent 488 · 10-22-2009, 03:14 PM

why would a hosting issue cause you to move to a new domain?

rowan · 10-22-2009, 05:44 PM

... and why would you use 301 (permanent) rather than 302 (temporary)?

alias · 10-22-2009, 05:48 PM

You could spoof pr back in the day by 301 to say yahoo, then make a site. Google hates 301, use 302.

Jdoughs · 10-22-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

You could spoof pr back in the day by 301 to say yahoo, then make a site. Google hates 301, use 302.

Google loves 301. Just use it properly.

Sharky · 10-22-2009, 06:19 PM

Ive heard using 301 to point domain.com to www.domain.com helps with PR in google as well;-)

Robocrop · 10-22-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win.

301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site).

A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines.

Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend.

Is there any danger in putting a 301 on a category..lets say on wp blog and the 301 leads to a whitelabel dating site?

Black_Widow · 10-22-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

why would a hosting issue cause you to move to a new domain?

Shit host went down and I had no way of getting any backups. My fault 100%.

Black_Widow · 10-22-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win.

301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site).

A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines.

Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend.

Got it. Thanks.
Content was similar but not the same. I guess I should have used 302.
Any way to get that domain back in to SE? Reconsiderations didnt work.

Jdoughs · 10-22-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_Widow

Got it. Thanks.
Content was similar but not the same. I guess I should have used 302.
Any way to get that domain back in to SE? Reconsiderations didnt work.

You not seeing it anywhere is most likely just because you 301'd all its importance to another domain. It may take some while to settle.

Google will transfer all 'page rank' or value on a site to its 301'd replacement, so in essence, you have told google yourself that there is no value on that domain, and it has placed all that value on the new domain. (301 WILL transfer over all link weight or trust associated on the page).

So if you look at it in that perspective, we have a 'new' domain (2 months since 301 came off) that has 0 links or any type of trust associated with it. (passed on to the other domain with 301). In reality it isn't rare or out of place at all that its not showing for any type of searches, it may take awhile for the index to resettle, but you may or may not ever get that trust or weight that you passed on back, all you can really do to help this along is add some fresh links and pretend like all the old ones, were never there.

Jdoughs · 10-22-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Robocrop

Is there any danger in putting a 301 on a category..lets say on wp blog and the 301 leads to a whitelabel dating site?

I'm not so sure there is any danger, but its hard to comment without any other info, on the site or where the redirect goes to. I'm far from a master of redirects and codes, I just know how the engines read them and what they see as borderline or risky.

baddog · 10-22-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan

... and why would you use 301 (permanent) rather than 302 (temporary)?

Because they did not know what they were doing?

Robocrop · 10-23-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I'm not so sure there is any danger, but its hard to comment without any other info, on the site or where the redirect goes to. I'm far from a master of redirects and codes, I just know how the engines read them and what they see as borderline or risky.

Cheers J

Rui · 10-23-2009, 05:24 AM

I really needed to do this sort of thing to consolidate some sites (and for brand & management purposes) but the idea something might go wrong and all that google link lovinn byebye...scary!

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Black_Widow So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 381	Is 301 "moved" redirect = Banned in Google? I couple sites that went down due to crappy hosting company so I had to put 301 redirect on them to my other site. The site was nicely indexed in Google but two month later when I brought it back on line, it appears to be banned. I submitted two different reconsideration requests with no luck. So whats going on there? Any insider information from SEO gurus?

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Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	301 from dead page to new page with same content on same domain equals win. 301 from dead domain to another domain is wrong, unless you have put up the exact same site in another place, and you are just consolidating the content in one place (ie you buy a cocks site and 301 its pages to the same pages on your site). A 301 is a code that tells the Search Engine (and browser) that the content has been placed somewhere else. But using a 301 to send the spider and surfers to a completely unique or different page full of content is using it incorrectly, and could be seen as spam by the engines. Basically, make sure you know what a 301 is before implementing them. My guess is the content you 301'd was not really the same content. So commanding them to get the content from the other page (where it didnt exist) is not going to make the spider your friend. __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	^^ what he said. real smart dude.

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Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	I really needed to do this sort of thing to consolidate some sites (and for brand & management purposes) but the idea something might go wrong and all that google link lovinn byebye...scary!