teen suffers rare illness after swine flu shot

[Joshua G]

This is why i will never take an untested vaccine rushed out onto the public...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33845867...-cold_and_flu/

[d-null]

damn, that is too much, not sure if one could get a flu shot now without getting all paranoid that something bad would happen

[Fetish Gimp]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

[Major (Tom)]

Sucks, but he's the proof we needed it's bad.
Duke

[beta-tester]

This is made only to take people's money and even more kill people , so I will never ever take that shit!!

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by d-null

damn, that is too much, not sure if one could get a flu shot now without getting all paranoid that something bad would happen

Originally Posted by joshgirls

This is why i will never take an untested vaccine rushed out onto the public...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33845867...-cold_and_flu/

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Sucks, but he's the proof we needed it's bad.
Duke

Ah fucking come on people. First off Guillain-Barre syndrome is not that rare. About 1 in 1 million people catch it out of the blue. I was first diagnosed with it when I became paralyzed, though that was wrong.

He also had symptoms within hours of the shot - I.E. Shot had nothing to do with it and someones mother just freaked the fuck out and wanted to blame something. Plus if ANYONE gets even a sniffle after getting the vaccine it will ALWAYS be the vaccine thanks to all of the piss poor bad information polluting the world via the internet and some TV.

This is the same sort of shit that destroyed Dow Chemical (think that was them) when women and lawyers swore up and down that their boobs were getting them sick. They won the suits due to fear, destroyed a great company, and all on junk science that was proven wrong in the future.

Let me break this down for you.
1 in 1,000,000 catch guillain-barre syndrome out of the blue.
Over 40,000,000 have gotten the H1N1 vaccine to date.
Number of people who caught guillain-barre syndrome as of today: 1
Number of people who should of caught guillain-barre syndrome who got the H1N1 vaccine: 4

If anything you can say the H1N1 vaccine reduces ones chances of catching guillain-barre syndrome by 75%

[stickyfingerz]

Yes so many people get GBS, just by Koi inky dink a lot of people just have gotten some sort of a vaccine before they get it... lol

[baddog]

Coincidences really suck.

[fatfoo]

Untested vaccines are dangerous. For all you know, it could be an undercover government secret plot to test out secret drugs on people.

Think back to Hitler's secret human body experiments and concentration camps.

[Pleasurepays]

not surprising that you fucking morons suck at basic math. how many vaccinations so far? how many cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome develop each day? what is the statistical probability of this happening with 0 connection?

dipshits.

[bufferover]

If i got that flu shit will stick to tamiflu for now. I guess this winter will be pretty boring

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes so many people get GBS, just by Koi inky dink a lot of people just have gotten some sort of a vaccine before they get it... lol

That is what coincidences are ya silly fuck.

1 person out of 1 million is supposed to get it.
40 million got that vaccine.
They are the only 1 to date to get GBS.
3 more people should of got it.


It is more of a co ink a co ink that they got it at all because mathmatically it appears the vaccine reduces peoples chances by 75%. However hey they did get it only hours after so perhaps the vaccine did not have time to react.

And oh boy I FUCKED UP!!!!

Who is affected by Guillain-Barre syndrome?
Although rare, afflicting about one person in 100,000

Please adjust math.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That is what coincidences are ya silly fuck.

1 person out of 1 million is supposed to get it.
40 million got that vaccine.
They are the only 1 to date to get GBS.
3 more people should of got it.


It is more of a co ink a co ink that they got it at all because mathmatically it appears the vaccine reduces peoples chances by 75%. However hey they did get it only hours after so perhaps the vaccine did not have time to react.

And oh boy I FUCKED UP!!!!

Who is affected by Guillain-Barre syndrome?
Although rare, afflicting about one person in 100,000

Please adjust math.

Perfectly healthy. Gets shot.. within a very short time gets gbs.. Nah not related at all.. lol

[TheDoc]

What about these numbers?

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[Iron Fist]

One person out of how many vaccinated? Let's all panic over this please...

[BusterBunny]

[will76]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Ah fucking come on people. First off Guillain-Barre syndrome is not that rare. About 1 in 1 million people catch it out of the blue. I was first diagnosed with it when I became paralyzed, though that was wrong.

He also had symptoms within hours of the shot - I.E. Shot had nothing to do with it and someones mother just freaked the fuck out and wanted to blame something. Plus if ANYONE gets even a sniffle after getting the vaccine it will ALWAYS be the vaccine thanks to all of the piss poor bad information polluting the world via the internet and some TV.

This is the same sort of shit that destroyed Dow Chemical (think that was them) when women and lawyers swore up and down that their boobs were getting them sick. They won the suits due to fear, destroyed a great company, and all on junk science that was proven wrong in the future.

Let me break this down for you.
1 in 1,000,000 catch guillain-barre syndrome out of the blue.
Over 40,000,000 have gotten the H1N1 vaccine to date.
Number of people who caught guillain-barre syndrome as of today: 1
Number of people who should of caught guillain-barre syndrome who got the H1N1 vaccine: 4

If anything you can say the H1N1 vaccine reduces ones chances of catching guillain-barre syndrome by 75%

am i stupid or is your math wrong? shouldn't that be 40 not 4 ? 1million / 40million = 40

[will76]

But i will tell you this much. I am 33 in very good health and have no medical issues. The chances of me getting the h1n1 and dieing from it are probably less than me getting some side affect from the shot. I am not in the high risk bracket for H1N1 so I won't take the chance even if it is 1 in a million. Now if i had medical conditions, were young or real old, or anything that put me into a high risk of death if catching the h1n1 then I would take it.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by sharphead

One person out of how many vaccinated? Let's all panic over this please...

Its the people panicking over the silly swine flu that is stupid lol

You all scoff at the percentage afflicted with gbs after vaccines, ok so how many people died from the swine flu that live on this planet? Whats the odds of catching it and dying?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by will76

am i stupid or is your math wrong? shouldn't that be 40 not 4 ? 1million / 40million = 40

Originally Posted by will76

But i will tell you this much. I am 33 in very good health and have no medical issues. The chances of me getting the h1n1 and dieing from it are probably less than me getting some side affect from the shot. I am not in the high risk bracket for H1N1 so I won't take the chance even if it is 1 in a million. Now if i had medical conditions, were young or real old, or anything that put me into a high risk of death if catching the h1n1 then I would take it.

my math may be very wrong. I just know the odds of catching GBS is one in one hundred thousand. I know that they have given out over 40 million h1n1 vaccine shots. I also know they are the first reported case of someone getting a h1n1 shot and reporting to have got GBS.

Normally my math would be good. I am heavily drugged right now in the hospital. I jhad to get a bone scane about around 4pm which was painful. They are still working on pain control with me which is a work in progress right now in the hospital. Then to top it off I have not really had any decent sleep since the night I left which was friday.

[Babaganoosh]

You anti-vaccination kooks are beating a dead horse. Nobody can make you understand odds or read reliable sources of information. Don't want to get vaccinated? Don't. Case closed.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What about these numbers?

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So, more deaths than leprosy. I can see why everyone is all upset.

[Joshua G]

Comments that this is a 1 in 40 million shot for side effects are persuasive. But doc brings up an even better point...why this rush & panic to take an untested vaccine for something that is not a mass killer?
Maybe big pharma engineered this whole racket to make more profit. CBS reported the vaccine maker is making 1.2 billion extra for "rush" pricing of their vaccine.

[LoveSandra]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

:1orgl augh

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Perfectly healthy. Gets shot.. within a very short time gets gbs.. Nah not related at all.. lol

Well as a FYI I went from a super healthy kid who had not even had much more than a sniffle up until age 11 then within a very short time like overnight I was screaming in agonizing pain. Within 8 days I was then paralyzed and pronounced to have GBS (which was wrong).

Going from healthy to instantly sick happens all of the time. I mean you have watched the introductions to the show house right? They are pretty close. Hell my aunt went from super healthy 30 year old with twin daughters and a twin herself to dead in the matter of about 60 seconds. My other aunt is still alive and raising my deceased aunts kids. She was taken out by an aneurysm in her brain that burst. Her identical twin sister did not have one. That is just how shit works.

Originally Posted by sharphead

One person out of how many vaccinated? Let's all panic over this please...

Over 40 million in the US.

[will76]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Well as a FYI I went from a super healthy kid who had not even had much more than a sniffle up until age 11 then within a very short time like overnight I was screaming in agonizing pain. Within 8 days I was then paralyzed and pronounced to have GBS (which was wrong).

Going from healthy to instantly sick happens all of the time. I mean you have watched the introductions to the show house right? They are pretty close. Hell my aunt went from super healthy 30 year old with twin daughters and a twin herself to dead in the matter of about 60 seconds. My other aunt is still alive and raising my deceased aunts kids. She was taken out by an aneurysm in her brain that burst. Her identical twin sister did not have one. That is just how shit works.



Over 40 million in the US.

Hearing about your medical condition the last couple days... thats rough. To have something just happen out of no where, no warning, not a result of something you did wrong.... I think a lot of us here (myself included) who are healthy take our health for granted. I can't imagine what your average day is like and how much harder it must be compared to the average person.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

Comments that this is a 1 in 40 million shot for side effects are persuasive. But doc brings up an even better point...why this rush & panic to take an untested vaccine for something that is not a mass killer?
Maybe big pharma engineered this whole racket to make more profit. CBS reported the vaccine maker is making 1.2 billion extra for "rush" pricing of their vaccine.

You do know that most places are giving out the vaccine for free right? Even then the pricing for flu vaccines has been pretty fixed at the consumer level via cash, insurance, co pay, etc.

If someone engineered this whole thing also would of needed to time travel to have got some people sick in the past. Or I can give you that they could of brought back a past virus (brought back meaning like unfroze). However due to shortages, they could of made even more money having enough doses available day 1. Keep in mind there is a short window to use it. Plus even without shortages they would of sold out due to demand. They never have enough vaccine each year, even of the regular type.

This vaccine is being done in the same way the standard flu vaccine is made each year. Every year a new batch is needed to make the vaccine based on which flu they think will be a problem that year. In a way non of the flu vaccines are really tested much.

It is NOT a mass killer. It does have the ability to species jump and has already jumped. If people understood what that really means then they may understand some of the reasoning behind the medical field wanting people to get vaccinated. They are in a damned if they do, damned if they dont situation though.

Just like how the media is scaring people and causing some hysteria and over reacting. The internet is also fueling tons of bad information. They are stuck in the middle. Now if this virus did species jump again and altered some which it could and we ended up with another version of the 1918 flu. Then what would people be saying if people were not encouraged to get vaccinated? We both know we would have public killings and mass chaos.

Originally Posted by will76

Hearing about your medical condition the last couple days... thats rough. To have something just happen out of no where, no warning, not a result of something you did wrong.... I think a lot of us here (myself included) who are healthy take our health for granted. I can't imagine what your average day is like and how much harder it must be compared to the average person.

Thanks again. Though that is not my condition, just a small piece of my daily life. My days seem normal to me at least and as I say often and honestly mean it. I am glad it happened to me than anyone else. I know it can not beat me down and that I can handle it, other may not.

This is more about the vaccine though and stickys silly argument that someone should not go from healthy to sick quickly.

Please keep in mind again. I do not think everyone should get vaccinated. I think only the sick, those who work around the sick or children, pregnant women, and children should be getting vaccinated. Then others can get it or not if they feel they are at risk. Nobody should be forced to get it (some should be - work around sick of kids). Pretty much self choice. If someone does not want it for their family so be it. As long as they do not work around at risk people.

[DiF0r]

Fuck that vaccine! And fuck swine flu, it is not much more dangerous than the regular flu

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That is what coincidences are ya silly fuck.

1 person out of 1 million is supposed to get it.
40 million got that vaccine.
They are the only 1 to date to get GBS.
3 more people should of got it.


It is more of a co ink a co ink that they got it at all because mathmatically it appears the vaccine reduces peoples chances by 75%. However hey they did get it only hours after so perhaps the vaccine did not have time to react.

And oh boy I FUCKED UP!!!!

Who is affected by Guillain-Barre syndrome?
Although rare, afflicting about one person in 100,000

Please adjust math.

It has effected people who have gotten the seasonal flu shot as well so the 'not tested' theory is total bullshit. Its just one of the risks associated with the flu vaccine. It really has nothing to do at all with the swine flu vaccine.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

This vaccine is being done in the same way the standard flu vaccine is made each year. Every year a new batch is needed to make the vaccine based on which flu they think will be a problem that year. In a way non of the flu vaccines are really tested much.

For the record.... any batch of flu vaccines can be deadly, tainted if you would.. and they do not know about it until the doses go out and they do not know why or how it happens - and it's 'per batch.'

Even though it has been 30 years from the last time a batch did this... it can happen, and they do not know about it until it's to late.


Do not think the process they use is safe, it's damn sure not.... it's just a process that works, so they don't change it.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

It is NOT a mass killer. It does have the ability to species jump and has already jumped. If people understood what that really means then they may understand some of the reasoning behind the medical field wanting people to get vaccinated. They are in a damned if they do, damned if they dont situation though.

You're dog can get the flu, a cold, and you can get worms from your dog. If species jumping is going to kill us all, we should go ahead and shoot Old Yeller now.

Birds piss me off in the morning anyway... woodpeckers can die!

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Just like how the media is scaring people and causing some hysteria and over reacting. The internet is also fueling tons of bad information. They are stuck in the middle. Now if this virus did species jump again and altered some which it could and we ended up with another version of the 1918 flu. Then what would people be saying if people were not encouraged to get vaccinated? We both know we would have public killings and mass chaos.

I had a little bird, its name was Enza, I opened the window, and in-flu-enza.

We are a much healthier society today than in 1918, even our crack whores have it better than the common man back then. The majority of the men of the world was ripped in battle, nothing like we could imagine today, crazy conditions.

We eat extremely better, we are much cleaner, our life expectancy has grown at least 4 times over, birth rates are way up, so much has improved from life to medical.

If you took the h1n1 and put it back in 1918, it would look like the same killer all over again.

[Agent 488]

was just talking to a friend last night. his buddy is in the hospital from h1n1, young healthy guy too.

but hey, the usual inbreds are in here talking about not getting the shot which is cool, the genetic pool can always use some pruning.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

was just talking to a friend last night. his buddy is in the hospital from h1n1, young healthy guy too.

but hey, the usual inbreds are in here talking about not getting the shot which is cool, the genetic pool can always use some pruning.

The normal flu can do that as well, just like the h1n1 doesn't put everyone in the hospital.

Speaking of the flu, the normal flu has killed roughly 600-800 people in the last "week" in America alone. Already this year the normal flu in America has killed more Americans, than the h1n1 has killed world wide in over two years.

Inbreeding is sounding better than a sheeping it right now.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

was just talking to a friend last night. his buddy is in the hospital from h1n1, young healthy guy too.

but hey, the usual inbreds are in here talking about not getting the shot which is cool, the genetic pool can always use some pruning.

Calculate the odds. Over 6 billion people in the world, and 1075 have died from it. Thats like 1 : 5.9 million odds of dying from the swine flu.

1 : 280,000 of being struck by lightning
1 : 100,000 of dying from a flesh eating bacteria

I think im gonna risk not getting the vaccine lol

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by DiF0r

Fuck that vaccine! And fuck swine flu, it is not much more dangerous than the regular flu

It is for certain age groups.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What about these numbers?

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Exactly... The swine flu is nothing to get your panties in a bunch about and definitely nothing to get so scared you have to run and get a vaccine. I certainly am not. My whole neighborhood has had it, mostly the kids. No vaccines... no deaths. I never got sick, neither did my kids even though their friends had it.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Sucks, but he's the proof we needed it's bad.
Duke

Heh.

Highly visible health conditions, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, spontaneous abortion, or even death, will occur in coincident temporal association with novel influenza vaccination. On the basis of the reviewed data, if a cohort of 10 million individuals was vaccinated in the UK, 21·5 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome and 5·75 cases of sudden death would be expected to occur within 6 weeks of vaccination as coincident background cases.

source: http://press.thelancet.com/bradverse.pdf

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

If you took the h1n1 and put it back in 1918, it would look like the same killer all over again.

No, it wouldn't. The 1918 Spanish Flu was extremely deadly because it provoked an exaggerated immune response (a cytokine storm, to be exact), which was what ended up killing people. That's why the victims were mostly young, healthy people with great immune systems - the better your immune system, the more damage it could do to you.

The current strain of H1N1 does not provoke a similar immune response, and is therefore far less dangerous. It's most dangerous for people with weakened immune systems, and poses a rather small but real risk for healthy individuals.

The problem with the flu, however, is that it mutates rapidly. There's a very, very small chance that the current strain of H1N1 will mutate in a way that creates an effect similar to the one the 1918 Spanish Flu had. If that happens, it will do quite a bit of damage.

[Martin]

Culling of the heard has begun.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Libertine

No, it wouldn't. The 1918 Spanish Flu was extremely deadly because it provoked an exaggerated immune response (a cytokine storm, to be exact), which was what ended up killing people. That's why the victims were mostly young, healthy people with great immune systems - the better your immune system, the more damage it could do to you.

The current strain of H1N1 does not provoke a similar immune response, and is therefore far less dangerous. It's most dangerous for people with weakened immune systems, and poses a rather small but real risk for healthy individuals.

The problem with the flu, however, is that it mutates rapidly. There's a very, very small chance that the current strain of H1N1 will mutate in a way that creates an effect similar to the one the 1918 Spanish Flu had. If that happens, it will do quite a bit of damage.

A young 'healthy' person in 1918 was far less healthy than our super poor in America today. To an extreme. The living conditions alone are extreme in comparison. Length of life, birth rates, everything was extremely low.

At that, they did not have the medical care, sanitation - at all like today. And the war was extreme, chemical warfare was used, it hurt people bodies, animals, everyone and everything, it was shipped by the, sick, weak, hungry military all around the world, going into sick, poverty, starving areas, and killing people.

Peoples "strong" immune system then, would equal sure death for them in today's world. Just like more than the flu mass killed people back then.


The normal flu has mutated for 100's of years to be the strong bastard it is today. It went through the 1918 periods and it's still here, because it mutated and it's much much stronger now, which has made us stronger too.

The phrase, only the strong survive rings true... h1n1 or not.

[fris]

reason why im not geting my shot

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Heh.



source: http://press.thelancet.com/bradverse.pdf

Yep, people are dumb. These same risks have been associated with the flu vaccine in general forever. It it is no unique to the swine flu vaccine at all.

[Martin]

If you're a healthy person with a normal immune system you shouldn't get the shot. Just take your Vitamin C and D , eat and sleep right you should be fine and not get sick. If you get sick stay away from people and get plenty of rest and you should be fine. This advice comes straight from a doctors mouth..

[will76]

Originally Posted by Martin

If you're a healthy person with a normal immune system you shouldn't get the shot. Just take your Vitamin C and D , eat and sleep right you should be fine and not get sick. If you get sick stay away from people and get plenty of rest and you should be fine. This advice comes straight from a doctors mouth..

and if you did get the flu you are not likely to die from it unless you are real young, real old, have existing medical conditions etc... so even if you did get it, so what just a bad cold for a couple days. If you removed the young/old and people with existing medical conditions from the total of people who died from h1n1 I bet there would be very very few people left on the list.

[beerptrol]

I got the swine flu shot and suffered a side effect. It made my dick grow 3 inches, now I'm packing 5 inches of hard love muscle