Any small webmasters still making money?

[BigFire]

I wonder if any small webmasters still make money out there? A lot of friends, especially gallery submitters seem to keep getting out of this business because they can't sell anything. Traffic and sales are down and keep dropping monthly! What about those affiliate programs they must feel the heat too but I didn't see any program go out of business?

[Loch]

Tons of programs have either closed down or sold everything to the bigger guys.

[alias]

It's pretty fucking slow man. I'm getting more involved with programs and partnerships.

[BigFire]

Originally Posted by Loch

Tons of programs have either closed down or sold everything to the bigger guys.

Please list some

[Loch]

Originally Posted by BigFire

Please list some

I dont keep track, im sure you can find it in newsgroups or the likes.

I have been offered to buy 3-4 in the last month alone

[alias]

Originally Posted by BigFire

Please list some

Debs deep throat was/is for sale.

[Jdoughs]

I am a one man operation, no employees, and I completely focus on affiliate sales and marketing.

I'm not starving yet. The fruits of labor are harder to reap nowadays but its still like any other business, the devil is in the details.

While it pains me to see so many smaller guys and programs fall to the wayside, the businessman in me is smiling as a clearing of dead weight is needed.

Death sparks new life and there is still many many fortunes and empires to be built (or rebuilt). Those of us here for the longterm and focused on the future are just biding time.

[alias]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I am a one man operation, no employees, and I completely focus on affiliate sales and marketing.

I'm not starving yet. The fruits of labor are harder to reap nowadays but its still like any other business, the devil is in the details.

While it pains me to see so many smaller guys and programs fall to the wayside, the businessman in me is smiling as a clearing of dead weight is needed.

Death sparks new life and there is still many many fortunes and empires to be built (or rebuilt). Those of us here for the longterm and focused on the future are just biding time.

[Lykos]

Originally Posted by Loch

Tons of programs have either closed down or sold everything to the bigger guys.

Very true.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I am a one man operation, no employees, and I completely focus on affiliate sales and marketing.

I'm not starving yet. The fruits of labor are harder to reap nowadays but its still like any other business, the devil is in the details.

While it pains me to see so many smaller guys and programs fall to the wayside, the businessman in me is smiling as a clearing of dead weight is needed.

Death sparks new life and there is still many many fortunes and empires to be built (or rebuilt). Those of us here for the longterm and focused on the future are just biding time.

[Jensen]

Originally Posted by Loch

I dont keep track, im sure you can find it in newsgroups or the likes.

I have been offered to buy 3-4 in the last month alone

Yep, same here...

[signbucks]

Originally Posted by BigFire

I wonder if any small webmasters still make money out there? A lot of friends, especially gallery submitters seem to keep getting out of this business because they can't sell anything. Traffic and sales are down and keep dropping monthly! What about those affiliate programs they must feel the heat too but I didn't see any program go out of business?

Actually they go out of business. Many of them. I'm already tired of removing dead links from signbucksdaily

Most of them don't send any notification or something, they just leave...

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by Loch

Tons of programs have either closed down or sold everything to the bigger guys.

I'm thinking it is not just programs, it's affiliates leaving the biz as well, which I see as a positive. My piece of the pie is getting bigger instead of smaller because of it, to the point that I am able to finance a new private program and finally expand.

[chaze]

Things are tight everywhere but we still have customers that bring in well over 5 figures a month. I think things will start getting better soon, just hold on.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

I'm a small webmaster, I still make a comfortable every day sort of living. No rich baller by any means, nothing to complain about either though...

[sex69]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I am a one man operation, no employees, and I completely focus on affiliate sales and marketing.

I'm not starving yet. The fruits of labor are harder to reap nowadays but its still like any other business, the devil is in the details.

While it pains me to see so many smaller guys and programs fall to the wayside, the businessman in me is smiling as a clearing of dead weight is needed.

Death sparks new life and there is still many many fortunes and empires to be built (or rebuilt). Those of us here for the longterm and focused on the future are just biding time.

Thats right

[Playboy-Deak]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

I'm a small webmaster, I still make a comfortable every day sort of living. No rich baller by any means, nothing to complain about either though...

Im with this jew dude... I'm an independent small Black Porn pay website dude. Sales are pretty steady around my way and I don't have no crazy program to back me up... Im speaking in terms of a paysite... I'm actually comfy in my zone...

But with all things, it can always be better!

[katharos]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

I'm a small webmaster, I still make a comfortable every day sort of living. No rich baller by any means, nothing to complain about either though...

same here, i am not any baller, but in my country i am living nice life with money i made in adult biz ... and i started at xmas 08 so never is too late

[deserv]

I'm a small webmaster who tried his hand at the game for almost 6 months now. Have made only 1 sale but I keep trying to get more. I made my blog to earn an extra supplement income but also for my visitors. It's important to make people feel happy when they spend money (that it was worth it). People try to cheat and scam people from their money but when you keep going down the straight path, things will look up. I'm sure of that

[fatfoo]

My Horse Dick Dot Txt promotion has made a lot of money. I write blog posts, gallery descriptions, and anything else. I also sell gfy sig spots. My icq in sig.

[halfpint]

Things are a lot harder than when I joined the adult Biz and I think a lot of us are hurting right now ..lets just hope it gets better in the future

[alias]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

My Horse Dick Dot Txt promotion has made a lot of money. I write blog posts, gallery descriptions, and anything else. I also sell gfy sig spots. My icq in sig.

Horse Dick 4L

Post "HD" pics

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I am a one man operation, no employees, and I completely focus on affiliate sales and marketing.

I'm not starving yet. The fruits of labor are harder to reap nowadays but its still like any other business, the devil is in the details.

While it pains me to see so many smaller guys and programs fall to the wayside, the businessman in me is smiling as a clearing of dead weight is needed.

Death sparks new life and there is still many many fortunes and empires to be built (or rebuilt). Those of us here for the longterm and focused on the future are just biding time.

[alias]

We need new methods of payment, someone transparent please tell us about your voucher system!

[SarahLLO]

I'm a small webmaster/affiliate and my income has been going up. Slowly, but steadily, would probably be quicker if I wasn't working on mainstream stuff as well and playing too many video games...

[fuzebox]

I think a lot of people underestimate the middle class affiliate... To a program, an affiliate sending you a sale a week is more of an annoyance than anything else, but a small affiliate sending 3-6 sales a day across 20 sponsors, earning $30-40 PPS, using free organic traffic, is making more than a lot of people do at their dayjobs...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by alias

Debs deep throat was/is for sale.

Among many others.

Some are doing them privately versus on the boards.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I think a lot of people underestimate the middle class affiliate... To a program, an affiliate sending you a sale a week is more of an annoyance than anything else, but a small affiliate sending 3-6 sales a day across 20 sponsors, earning $30-40 PPS, using free organic traffic, is making more than a lot of people do at their dayjobs...

Exactly right. On all of my sites, the cost are minimum.

I make back my production costs in ONE MONTH of clip store sales. The rest is gravy.

I only concern myself with BUYING, QUALITY, CONVERTING traffic. So it is low volume, high return. I get it through minimal costs, like CS $29.95 a month. I do not buy links, or banners, or pay for anything.

I do not have a ton of affiliates, so I do not have to give away 50% of my profit. Nor do I need to bang in their credit cards, or upsell them to remain in business. I can treat the customer like a king since I am still making a PROFIT easily.

So my monthly recurring EXPENSE is the server(s). The rest is PROFIT. My overhead is very low, and there is a lot of revenue streams to monetize content. Since my 1st RELEASE clip stores pay for the month's content. The rest is all for me.

It can be done, and you can make money in adult. You have to run it like a business, and think like a business. Which most do not. They treat it like a hobby, or beer money, and that is what they make.

[alias]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Exactly right. On all of my sites, the cost are minimum.

I make back my production costs in ONE MONTH of clip store sales. The rest is gravy.

I only concern myself with BUYING, QUALITY, CONVERTING traffic. So it is low volume, high return. I get it through minimal costs, like CS $29.95 a month. I do not buy links, or banners, or pay for anything.

I do not have a ton of affiliates, so I do not have to give away 50% of my profit. Nor do I need to bang in their credit cards, or upsell them to remain in business. I can treat the customer like a king since I am still making a PROFIT easily.

So my monthly recurring EXPENSE is the server(s). The rest is PROFIT. My overhead is very low, and there is a lot of revenue streams to monetize content. Since my 1st RELEASE clip stores pay for the month's content. The rest is all for me.

It can be done, and you can make money in adult. You have to run it like a business, and think like a business. Which most do not. They treat it like a hobby, or beer money, and that is what they make.

Sounds sensible.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by alias

Sounds sensible.

Very simple concept from business 101.

Control costs and keep expenses low. Profit margins high. Rinse, wash, repeat.

[rock-reed]

Critical Mass was hit maybe a year ago.

The Paradigm/ Zeitgeist/ Meme of our time is that all porn and digital content (music/tv/movies) should all be and is all free.

Do a google search for sex or porn or ass or whatever and you will see the Tubes/Hubs all come up first.

Why would anyone have to buy porn anymore? Its all easy to find, its all free and its 24/7 - always on. Just like our web. No need to download/save. Just stream it when needed.

The rate at which tubes were adopted amongst college kids (all spreading the word about them) was unbelievable.

And this is not even to mention Torrents... Which are just amazing to find entire site rips in one file.

There is still some money to be made. But it will get harder and harder as more people just download everything for free.

The business treated buyers like dumb ass-hole douchebags in the past... when it was super easy to make money. Now those people are jaded and will not buy again.

Your thoughts?

[alias]

copypasta

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by rock-reed

Critical Mass was hit maybe a year ago.

The Paradigm/ Zeitgeist/ Meme of our time is that all porn and digital content (music/tv/movies) should all be and is all free.

Do a google search for sex or porn or ass or whatever and you will see the Tubes/Hubs all come up first.

Why would anyone have to buy porn anymore? Its all easy to find, its all free and its 24/7 - always on. Just like our web. No need to download/save. Just stream it when needed.

The rate at which tubes were adopted amongst college kids (all spreading the word about them) was unbelievable.

And this is not even to mention Torrents... Which are just amazing to find entire site rips in one file.

There is still some money to be made. But it will get harder and harder as more people just download everything for free.

The business treated buyers like dumb ass-hole douchebags in the past... when it was super easy to make money. Now those people are jaded and will not buy again.

Your thoughts?

I have seen tube site rips on torrent sites ..why the fuck they would do this is beyond me when you can watch the movies for free anyway

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by rock-reed

The business treated buyers like dumb ass-hole douchebags in the past... when it was super easy to make money. Now those people are jaded and will not buy again.

Your thoughts?

This part is right, the rest is wrong.

People will PAY for good content that fulfills what they want. However, most of this industry thinks they know what their fan base wants, and doesn't nor cares to ask. The feed them what they THINK they want and are surprised when they do not buy.

The BROgrams build, on mass, these 30-50 scene pay sites for a program, which they never update, and then wonder why they do not retain? They do not invest in new content, and just build new sites to look like they are the big time, and wonder why customers do not buy. They are getting scenes advertised for sites that do not offer than scene, then feel jaded for $29.95.

I could go on and on with endless examples of this but I defer to my previous remarks. Most treat this like a get rich quick scheme or a hobby. Not a BUSINESS.

That is why they fail.

[rock-reed]

Sorry for the copy and pasta but I thought it was such an important statement on my part... that it needed to be as seen by as many people as possible on GFY.
Don't let my Ego stand in the way of Progress!

[FlowerKid]

It's still possible to earn money. Keep in mind that not everyone is happy with the shitty video quality on many tubes and not every potential customer has the time to find the free stuff or install curious p2p tools.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by rock-reed

Sorry for the copy and pasta but I thought it was such an important statement on my part... that it needed to be as seen by as many people as possible on GFY.
Don't let my Ego stand in the way of Progress!

Those read like the words of a person without many sales. I mean I don't ask myself why people don't buy porn, because I know that they do.

I think something important to everyone is this.

If you (have to) ask yourself why you aren't making sales, or as much as before, and your answer involves someone other then yourself or your business, then you have the wrong answer.

[digitaldivas]

My concepts are doing fine and I am also just gathering content and biding time. I am planning on spending 10k plus next year to shoot content in the South U.S. for BFO. Thats pretty exciting. And if you have your own foot fetish, pantyhose or nylon sites and ever want to get out of the Biz, I am always up for buying content

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

This part is right, the rest is wrong.

People will PAY for good content that fulfills what they want. However, most of this industry thinks they know what their fan base wants, and doesn't nor cares to ask. The feed them what they THINK they want and are surprised when they do not buy.

The BROgrams build, on mass, these 30-50 scene pay sites for a program, which they never update, and then wonder why they do not retain? They do not invest in new content, and just build new sites to look like they are the big time, and wonder why customers do not buy. They are getting scenes advertised for sites that do not offer than scene, then feel jaded for $29.95.

I could go on and on with endless examples of this but I defer to my previous remarks. Most treat this like a get rich quick scheme or a hobby. Not a BUSINESS.

That is why they fail.

totally agree!

[alias]

Feet lovers unite like Voltron, I'm out for the night. Don't have toe much fun!

[brassmonkey]

nope give up

[Sharky]

There are certainly a lot of smaller webmasters getting swallowed up by the bigger webmasters. Just like the smaller programs are getting eaten by the bigger ones. This industry has long needed a consolidation. Too many people, too many willing to not make anything to give things away fro free. Look at what has become of our once gold-mine of an industry.

There are still guys making bank, quietly. But don't think they are doing everything through "morally legit" ways.

[d-null]

I think by this time next year things will be even much much worse.

[bdld]

if you only ever had 1 traffic source or method of generating sales and it dries up and you're left with nothing, you only have yourself to blame.

[alias]

Originally Posted by Sharky

There are still guys making bank, quietly. But don't think they are doing everything through "morally legit" ways.

[GAMEFINEST]

i am in this part time, and do ok,

patience is the key..

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by Sharky

There are still guys making bank, quietly. But don't think they are doing everything through "morally legit" ways.

If you think the only way to make money is shady, then I'm not sure what you're still doing here. To me that is an excuse or admittance to failure (not saying you are a failure, but that statement is flawed).

As far as the gold mine. Ford realized that his Model T wouldnt be the only car for sale after not to long and he didn't pack up in 1930 and say fuck it, there is to many competitors giving it away for cheaper. This industry is still brand new and will go through more drastic changes then this I'm sure.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Sharky

There are certainly a lot of smaller webmasters getting swallowed up by the bigger webmasters. Just like the smaller programs are getting eaten by the bigger ones. This industry has long needed a consolidation. Too many people, too many willing to not make anything to give things away fro free. Look at what has become of our once gold-mine of an industry.

There are still guys making bank, quietly. But don't think they are doing everything through "morally legit" ways.

Fact of the matter is, internet marketing is a party where "morally legit ways" are best checked at the door. Get fucking cutthroat...

[RegUser]

Originally Posted by rock-reed

Critical Mass was hit maybe a year ago.

The Paradigm/ Zeitgeist/ Meme of our time is that all porn and digital content (music/tv/movies) should all be and is all free.

Do a google search for sex or porn or ass or whatever and you will see the Tubes/Hubs all come up first.

Why would anyone have to buy porn anymore? Its all easy to find, its all free and its 24/7 - always on. Just like our web. No need to download/save. Just stream it when needed.

The rate at which tubes were adopted amongst college kids (all spreading the word about them) was unbelievable.

And this is not even to mention Torrents... Which are just amazing to find entire site rips in one file.

There is still some money to be made. But it will get harder and harder as more people just download everything for free.

The business treated buyers like dumb ass-hole douchebags in the past... when it was super easy to make money. Now those people are jaded and will not buy again.

Your thoughts?

sir, what is your problem? Why are you speaking the truth?

Porn sites are almost done......make hay while the sun shines...i mean goes down for ever

[mx8829]

Its all about quality traiffic. If you have good quality traffic, you will do well.