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Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

I made a few phone calls this evening to affiliate managers and program owners and asked the questions raised in this thread. The answers were "hell no I wouldn't pay for traffic generated by PPC on our own keywords... and besides, these are mentioned in our TOS." And the other answer is "it's your own fault if you aren't the top bidder for your own keywords. Google will sell the traffic to anyone."

Why after 20 pages haven't any come in and said that? So far nearly every program owner or manager has said that they would allow this, including a few that have asked that I contact them specifically to get a PPC campaign going for them.

But again, this thread isn't about PPC, its about a program refusing to pay money that is owed to an affiliate.

nation-x · 12-07-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Why after 20 pages haven't any come in and said that? So far nearly every program owner or manager has said that they would allow this, including a few that have asked that I contact them specifically to get a PPC campaign going for them.

But again, this thread isn't about PPC, its about a program refusing to pay money that is owed to an affiliate.

Whatever... start sending sales to those programs and see how long they let you do it. As I said... I have been an affiliate for years and know that programs don't allow it, generally.

Profits of Doom · 12-07-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

I made a few phone calls this evening to affiliate managers and program owners and asked the questions raised in this thread. The answers were "hell no I wouldn't pay for traffic generated by PPC on our own keywords... and besides, these are mentioned in our TOS." And the other answer is "it's your own fault if you aren't the top bidder for your own keywords. Google will sell the traffic to anyone."

Do I think it's right to buy the term "crackwhore confessions" to send the traffic to a site that already has the #1 result? No. It's similar to Costco paying you $50 for selling $39 / year memberships... bringing them traffic they wouldn't have otherwise had. But you go and set up a booth right outside Costco to sell memberships. They wouldn't allow this, and for good reason. You're not helping Costco by doing that, you're only helping yourself. It was already their traffic. If you did that outside Walmart, it might be a different story. Walmart still wouldn't allow it, though.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post16620099

hahaha, Teen Revenue, Score Cash, POV Cash, Creative Coin, Bird Bucks, and a few others in that thread all say it is permissible to send them PPC traffic with NO restrictions, including bidding on their domain names. Please stop acting like it is cut and dry, because it is not. If I had to take a guess I would say just as many allow it as don't allow it...

Varius · 12-07-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I back Dirty D on this one... anyone bidding on keywords that are type-in keywords (type it in the address bar and get the site) are stealing type-ins pure and simple. Any affiliate with any experience knows that programs don't allow it... I have been an affiliate for years. If you did that to my program you would be terminated immediately the same as if you were sharing passwords. It's not in our TOS but I have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time and am not obligated to pay for sales that weren't earned fairly. The pure sense entitlement that affiliates have grown over the last few years is insane. You want PPS but also want to fuck programs out of type-ins... be realistic.

I probably have more affiliate traffic that 9 out of 10 of you.... just FYI. I don't have to resort to stealing type-ins to get sales.

If it is in your terms that you have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time, then you are correct, you can do just that. However, you would terminate them immediately and not let the sales continue to accumulate and the affiliate to continue spending his own funds on sales you do not intend to payout, wouldn't you?

Also, while many programs include that clause to cover their asses, it's what's known as "predatory terms" as I'm sure you are well aware.

The fact here, though, is while to you and D it seems like an obvious case of something that is not accepted, to most everyone else, they were unaware that it's not an acceptable form of marketing, as there ARE programs who do allow it. The case of carding was brought up; that is illegal, so doesn't have to be mentioned. Anything illegal, should not need to be in the terms. Anything legal, SHOULD be clearly defined as not being accepted.

In D's last explanation, he stated the acceptable methods are listed on his site. I couldn't find the terms page, only the FAQ, where it does list some methods. It does not say those are the only methods allowed, however. Otherwise, many valid types of marketing would be outlawed based on that. For example, say someone wanted to market at bars, parties, whatever (offline) with flyers to an affiliate URL they have with his site - it's not listed in the FAQ as a promotional method, so should they expect any sales they generate would not be paid? No, they shouldn't.

Bottom line is the only way to avoid these kind of situations is to contact the program BEFORE you start sending, discuss exactly what you intend to do and see if they have a problem with it. That wasn't done here though, but under the circumstances, you have to side with Shoehorn based on the facts.

The Ghost · 12-07-2009, 11:32 AM

Shoehorn gets honors for thread of the week/month/and possibly year.

Does GFY still give prizes for that?

lazycash · 12-07-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fmltube

Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

Yes, that's him, ouch.

lazycash · 12-07-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

Has anyone else noticed that none of the 'Bros' have come to Dirty D's defense?.
That should say something.

Robbie made a half hearted attempt, but got run over.

Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Whatever... start sending sales to those programs and see how long they let you do it. As I said... I have been an affiliate for years and know that programs don't allow it, generally.

I've been sending sales to dozens of programs both mainstream and adult via PPC for quite awhile now and haven't ever ran into this problem before. In fact if you look at the screenshots I've posted, I've been doing this with HowIGotRich since March and was paid for 3 months, before he decided that he wasn't able pay me or wanted to rip me off.

Its nearly 2010, if a programs TOS doesn't mention anything about PPC traffic then its allowed.

baddog · 12-07-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I back Dirty D on this one... anyone bidding on keywords that are type-in keywords (type it in the address bar and get the site) are stealing type-ins pure and simple. Any affiliate with any experience knows that programs don't allow it... I have been an affiliate for years. If you did that to my program you would be terminated immediately the same as if you were sharing passwords. It's not in our TOS but I have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time and am not obligated to pay for sales that weren't earned fairly. The pure sense entitlement that affiliates have grown over the last few years is insane. You want PPS but also want to fuck programs out of type-ins... be realistic.

I probably have more affiliate traffic that 9 out of 10 of you.... just FYI. I don't have to resort to stealing type-ins to get sales.

You are wrong.

Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Shoehorn, send your sig in form of an avatar and I'll put it up in support: [email protected] ...

Just sent you an email.

nation-x · 12-07-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

However, you would terminate them immediately and not let the sales continue to accumulate and the affiliate to continue spending his own funds on sales you do not intend to payout, wouldn't you?

No... you are right... I wouldn't steal from the affiliate either (on purpose). That said... Dirty D has been around for years and paid affiliates plenty of money... some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue. Shoehorn has been an affiliate long enough to know that lots of programs don't allow it and Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him. It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.

nation-x · 12-07-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are wrong.

It must be true since you said it... everyone knows you are always on the right side of the issues... accept my apologies.

Quagmire · 12-07-2009, 11:44 AM

fmltube · 12-07-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Yes, that's him, ouch.

Wow, that sucks. Even that girl in the article got some money out of Dirty D and he had to yank her content yet this other guy made D some sales and gets nothing. Oh well, time to stop promoting his sites.

Varius · 12-07-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

No... you are right... I wouldn't steal from the affiliate either (on purpose). That said... Dirty D has been around for years and paid affiliates plenty of money... some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue. Shoehorn has been an affiliate long enough to know that lots of programs don't allow it and Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him. It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.

I think the issue here though is you are thinking how YOU would have handled the situation; just as if I had been in the situation, I likely would have asked if my planned methods were fine before promoting the program.

Here though, you must put yourselves in the shoes of someone else; if Shoehorn (obviously) didn't think what he bid on was even a possible potential problem, and it's clearly not against the terms, he went ahead and promoted the site and should be paid for his efforts as he violated no rules.

I do think that from this thread though, a lot more people will now ask a program first before starting any PPC campaigns

nation-x · 12-07-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

I think the issue here though is you are thinking how YOU would have handled the situation; just as if I had been in the situation, I likely would have asked if my planned methods were fine before promoting the program.

Here though, you must put yourselves in the shoes of someone else; if Shoehorn (obviously) didn't think what he bid on was even a possible potential problem, and it's clearly not against the terms, he went ahead and promoted the site and should be paid for his efforts as he violated no rules.

I do think that from this thread though, a lot more people will now ask a program first before starting any PPC campaigns

Ok... I will agree with that. I will also say that Dirty D should have paid him as a matter of business over principle and terminated his account as soon as shoehorn posted this thread.

Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

No... you are right... I wouldn't steal from the affiliate either (on purpose).

Thank you, thats what this issue is really about.

Unless the program owner has been living under a rock (crack rock or otherwise), PPC needs to be addressed in their TOS. Scamming an affiliate out of money is no way to run a business.

Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Ok... I will agree with that. I will also say that Dirty D should have paid him as a matter of business over principle and terminated his account as soon as shoehorn posted this thread.

I agree. And if he would have done that on page one, he would have only had to pay me $350, instead of the $477 he now owes me since a new pay period rolled over.

baddog · 12-07-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

It must be true since you said it... everyone knows you are always on the right side of the issues... accept my apologies.

goodgirl and I have been discussing this issue for the last two days. Any network worth their salt has a TOS that addresses this issue. No doubt, many will not accept PPC traffic for copyrighted words, or their domain name. The difference being that it is in their TOS.

This goes back to at least 2002 [when we first noticed it].

D needs to update his TOS, and he should be paying out that $477 [or whatever it is]. The amount of negative publicity this thread has generated is not worth it.

marketsmart · 12-07-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

No... you are right... I wouldn't steal from the affiliate either (on purpose). That said... Dirty D has been around for years and paid affiliates plenty of money... some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue. Shoehorn has been an affiliate long enough to know that lots of programs don't allow it and Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him. It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.

you dont have it in your term's either, so guess what? if i sent joins to you, you would pay me or i would sue you for my money and damages..

and you know who would win?

for every person that has stuck up for d in this thread, no one has terms that prohibit this practice..

maybe should mind your own business (literally) before you try to mind someone else's..

NetHorse · 12-07-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

-snip- Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him.

He didn't terminate him, he just didn't want to pay. If shoehorn had said nothing you can bet your ass that piece of shit would keep accepting the sales.

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It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.

Oh? It's common sense? So 98% of the program owners who have come forward and said they were OK with it are what then?

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some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue.

It's not undue, . Why do people have a terms of service in the first place? Is everything in there supposed to be "assumed"? He could have easily paid the $350 in legit sales that shoehorn produced and then changed his TOS. If he wants to act like a clown then he deserves everything coming to him.

BTW, I suggest you change your terms of service. You know that's the perfect place to keep things like this.

nikki99 · 12-07-2009, 12:16 PM

holy shit this thread will never dies

Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fmltube

Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

Yeah thats the same guy we're dealing with here.

fmltube · 12-07-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Yeah thats the same guy we're dealing with here.

How the fuck is he not in jail for that shit?

Dirty D · 12-07-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Why after 20 pages haven't any come in and said that? So far nearly every program owner or manager has said that they would allow this, including a few that have asked that I contact them specifically to get a PPC campaign going for them.

But again, this thread isn't about PPC, its about a program refusing to pay money that is owed to an affiliate.

There are ZERO paysite owners that want you to purchase their domain name on PPC.

ZERO...

Lots of examples of companies that don't allow it.
You know this.

Somehow I doubt Shap is asking you to send "Twistys" to Twisty.com regardless of what his employee offered.

So ZERO paysites are wanting you to do this.

ZERO...

If you do find a desperate paysite owner, I am sure we can find dozens more that know better... Like you do.

fmltube · 12-07-2009, 12:40 PM

Hard to believe that this does not come up as wire fraud of some type. Contact the authorities and file a report. After sniffing through his shit, maybe he will realize it would have been better just to pay you and update his TOS. Maybe they look at his records on that girl as well. LOL. Make it more problems for the scammer than its worth.

Dirty D · 12-07-2009, 12:45 PM

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play

My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

Les Grossman · 12-07-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fmltube

Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

Uh oh. Is that shit for real? If so, it is worthy of its own post, bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped.

Why is ANYONE doing business with him if that is true? If it's not true, why doesn't D have his attorney remove that shit or sue them? Serious accusations there.

marketsmart · 12-07-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play

My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

don't worry, this thread will still be on page 1 when you get back...

Les Grossman · 12-07-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play

My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

You are not losing a second of sleep over this because you understand the losers in this business will still send you traffic, no matter what. GFY is such a small percent of webmasters.

Scum bags can never lose in this business. You can fuck over as many people as you want, it doesn't matter. This is adult. Everyone is so desperate for money, they will do anything to get it.

Penrod · 12-07-2009, 01:25 PM

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

Agent 488 · 12-07-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play

My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

CDSmith · 12-07-2009, 01:34 PM

This thread had a hell of a weekend. Went from page 8 to page 23 and it isn't even a whoring contest.

Okay there's whoring, just no contest.

MoreMagic · 12-07-2009, 01:36 PM

Why not?

No financial risk for me, let some else handle it.
I make money any way. Let the guy that does this make also a little, PPC going wrong can cost a lot.
Traffic doesn't go to a other program

3 times win for me.

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

There are ZERO paysite owners that want you to purchase their domain name on PPC.

ZERO...

Lots of examples of companies that don't allow it.
You know this.

Somehow I doubt Shap is asking you to send "Twistys" to Twisty.com regardless of what his employee offered.

So ZERO paysites are wanting you to do this.

ZERO...

If you do find a desperate paysite owner, I am sure we can find dozens more that know better... Like you do.

Anal Hobbit · 12-07-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't have an attitude my friend. I don't know who you are. Don't remember you from Adam. Don't know you and don't care. You're the one jumping in at me.

If you read my posts carefully I was asking Johnny if he was going to be at internext because I was curious what would happen when he and Dirty D came face to face. I have stated over and over that I LIKE Johnny. I have no desire to threaten him. Why would I?

I was kinda hoping that if he thought about he and Dirty D meeting at a show, he might cool down a second and maybe the two of them could work it out without the gfy mob stirring up the fight. You have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I want to hear more about what you did with Warren's Black Guy??
My daddy always told me black guys are dangerous.

Agent 488 · 12-07-2009, 01:44 PM

what's this about robbie hitting shoehorn with his cane at the next show?

Anal Hobbit · 12-07-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

what's this about robbie hitting shoehorn with his cane at the next show?

No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

fmltube · 12-07-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit

No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

I refuse to believe it because he did not make the claim combined with how Claudia Marie is the single hottest solo girl on the net today.

PastorSinAlot · 12-07-2009, 01:54 PM

dam dirty d is fucking dirty, lol
pay the man

Agent 488 · 12-07-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit

No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

what did he do with the negro fellow after he stole him?

too many pages to read here ...

Fat Panda · 12-07-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

Shoehorn or anyone else, will NEVER be paid for searches that ONLY contain the exact spelling of my own domain. Figure it out.

Quick question Dirty D. I really hope you answer this one. Let's say I own a blog promoting Crackwhore Confessions with the url CrackWhoresConfess.com I update 3 times weekly and work my ass off acquiring shitloads of backlinks for the search term "crackwhore confessions".

A couple months later my blog shows up 5th in the organic Google results for the term "crackwhore confessions" are you saying this traffic is invalid and you will not pay?

Please clear this up for me...

marketsmart · 12-07-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

Quick question Dirty D. I really hope you answer this one. Let's say I own a blog promoting Crackwhore Confessions with the url CrackWhoresConfess.com I update 3 times weekly and work my ass off acquiring shitloads of backlinks for the search term "crackwhore confessions".

A couple months later my blog shows up 5th in the organic Google results for the term "crackwhore confessions" are you saying this traffic is invalid and you will not pay?

Please clear this up for me...

what he is saying is that he would rather find excuses not to pay affiliates because since he got in trouble he now has to fly out of country to beat off in movie theaters abroad..

and that's a lot more expensive then when he was just beating off in the theater down the street from his house..

will76 · 12-07-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

So, I'll address it now...

If you're not my affiliate, then how can I police it? But, that's the complete opposite of what's happened here. The fact is, if someone bids on my exact domain spelling to try and siphon traffic away from me and to their own site, do you really think it will work to their advantage?

You're right if I am not your affiliate you can't police it. So you can do 2 things:
1. stop what you can by telling your affiliates to not do it and leave the door wide open for your competitors.
2. or encourage/allow your affiliates to help you "police" it to at least make sure all of the traffic stays going to your site where you make something opposed to it going to a competitor where you make dick.

Well you could do a 3rd thing and TM it, but you still would have to police it, likely causing less people to mess with that keyword. But if your domain is generic you probably wont even have the chance to TM it.

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Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

If someone types in "naughtyalysha", you have to agree that they are specifically looking for her website, or something that has to do with her website (review site, free content, etc.), right? So, what good would it do to have a link to a completely different site.?

Sure they are most likely looking for her in all cases. A model's name is a little more targeted than a keyword phrase like "crackwhore confessions". But never the less that really doesn't change anything. They might be looking for a milf blonde with big tits that is into fetish stuff saw your girl on a banner or something then went back later to look for her. They might not be in love with her, just a fan of the niche so any similar site would do. I doubt your model / site is the only one out there like that. If I showed them a similar girl /site chances are they would be fine with it. If they were that dead set on your model in the first place they probably wouldn't be on google typing in her name, they would have bookmarked the site or remembered the name. It just goes to show that somethign made them go back and search for her, to find free porn of her, to find her site, to find other models that look like her, could be serveral reasons. If i provided them with a similar looking model / site or one with even lower membership fees, more content etc.... I would bet I wouldn't have that bad of a conversion ratio.

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Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

In my own example, do you really believe that DenniO.com is going to benefit from having a paid link to our site?

I'm not impressed with the look of the DenniO site, that is not what I would send to if I was targeting your keywords. But honestly does it make a difference to you if DenniO is making money or not, you are still loosing "your" traffic to them.

Deej · 12-07-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

what he is saying is that he would rather find excuses not to pay affiliates because since he got in trouble he now has to fly out of country to beat off in movie theaters abroad..

and that's a lot more expensive then when he was just beating off in the theater down the street from his house..

reguardless of DirtyD... i dont even care its him... but the questions comes up... When you own a porn business and live porn day in and day out... fucking bitches in hotel rooms and poking glory holes.... how the fuck do you go to a theater and spank off? Why not just in your own home in front of the many many pornos you have access to, not only your own but the plethora already out there...

Shoehorn! · 12-07-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play

My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

will76 · 12-07-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

reguardless of DirtyD... i dont even care its him... but the questions comes up... When you own a porn business and live porn day in and day out... fucking bitches in hotel rooms and poking glory holes.... how the fuck do you go to a theater and spank off? Why not just in your own home in front of the many many pornos you have access to, not only your own but the plethora already out there...

going to a theater to spank it is old school guess.... i don't know maybe there is a fetish for jacking off in a room with other men ? I don't understand it personally. Never the less, what he does in his spare time as much as everyone here wants to trash the guy really is his business and not ours.

Now this on the other hand is very bad, if true:

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Originally Posted by fmltube

Is this the same guy we are talking about?

http://www.********.com/read.php?ID=31663

" So I met him at a dunkin donuts in Holiday and he took me to a hotel saying I had to audition if I wanted to be in porn movies because I'd make tons of money.

I told him I was only 17 and he said it was ok because I was married. So I went and had sex with him for like 10minutes for the "audition". A few days later he called me and said he had a job for me. But he told me I needed to bring a friends i.d so they had it for their records. "

Now that is something, if true. I would be very concerned about if you are promoting his sites. That has nothing to do with his personal life but his business and your business if it is true.

This thread is going to turn ugly. It's digging up a lot of dirt on dirty d some of which is personal, and I can see him retaliating. I think he has the money to pay he is just doing this because he is hard headed and there is no way he would eat crow now and look like he caved in, the more he is pushed the even more unlikely he will never pay. But I see him being pushed now to the point of fighting back with the latest stuff posted in this thread. Just my thoughts....

Warren · 12-07-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anal Hobbit

No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

No he does not, borrow maybe but not steal, the only person in this thread that's stealing is D.

btw: you and Sagi left to your room in a hurry, how did the night end up for you guys, happy endings?

fmltube · 12-07-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

C'mon dude, you know how the game works. When someone fucks up, its always everyone else's fault and that everyone has an agenda and is out to get them. Now I do not know if Dirty D is guilty of what that ******** article stated, but that would have been a red flag on that type of character and integrity.

I dont think he has any intention of paying you and that definitely sucks. I would have been more pissed as an affiliate if I was promoting his shit back when he had that Kelsie chick's content up. I'd still call the authorities and see about the fraud thing. Worst that can happen is they start poking in on him and find out some other shit.

That article looks like a year old, how come there was never some big shit storm over this?

Agent 488 · 12-07-2009, 02:38 PM

the guy is a proud and out of the closet scumbag.

really don't understand how you guys think you can shame him.

he jerks off with gay seniors in porn theaters.

Axeman · 12-07-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

I got my doubts he is going anywhere, just good excuse to not respond for a few weeks and hope everyone forgets. Maybe where he is going he has to dress all in orange and have "roommates".

12-07-2009, 11:32 AM	#1105
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	Shoehorn gets honors for thread of the week/month/and possibly year. Does GFY still give prizes for that? __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

12-07-2009, 11:44 AM	#1113
Quagmire Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Stinkin' up your bathroom Posts: 6,490	__________________

12-07-2009, 12:16 PM	#1122
nikki99 Supermodel Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sodoma & Gomorra Posts: 22,831	holy shit this thread will never dies __________________ SMC Revenue - Best Tgirl websites of the world now VR Non exclusive BIG Tranny/shemale Package for sale, full 2257 - hit me up skype: nikkimontero

12-07-2009, 12:45 PM	#1127
Dirty D Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paying Webmasters Millions Since 1999 Posts: 4,044	I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online. This is fun, but I will be unable to play My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course) Bash away - lol __________________ Dirty D - ICQ #1326843 - $1 Million Dollars of Bonus Money - 8,000+ FHG! Glory Hole Girlz - Crack Whore Confessions - Tampa Bukkake - Slut Wife Training - Fuck a Fan Electricity Play - Porn Video Drive - Theater Sluts - Skunk Riley - Ukraine Amateurs - Strapon Sessions

12-07-2009, 01:34 PM	#1133
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	This thread had a hell of a weekend. Went from page 8 to page 23 and it isn't even a whoring contest. Okay there's whoring, just no contest. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

12-07-2009, 12:40 PM	#1126
fmltube So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 886	Hard to believe that this does not come up as wire fraud of some type. Contact the authorities and file a report. After sniffing through his shit, maybe he will realize it would have been better just to pay you and update his TOS. Maybe they look at his records on that girl as well. LOL. Make it more problems for the scammer than its worth.

12-07-2009, 01:25 PM	#1131
Penrod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,578	Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

12-07-2009, 01:44 PM	#1136
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	what's this about robbie hitting shoehorn with his cane at the next show?

12-07-2009, 01:54 PM	#1139
PastorSinAlot So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Compton Posts: 2,837	dam dirty d is fucking dirty, lol pay the man

12-07-2009, 02:38 PM	#1149
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	the guy is a proud and out of the closet scumbag. really don't understand how you guys think you can shame him. he jerks off with gay seniors in porn theaters.