I wish this site was mine - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 12-15-2002, 02:31 AM

I had to post this. I shot a girl named Karma for one of my clients. He emailed me and told me that she was so popular on his site that he wanted to start a site of her own. He had me shoot several thousand photos of her over the coarse of a week. I finally got to see what the site looks like tonight. I think it kicks ass! I wish I would have thought of this. Shit!

Anyway, here she is:

http://www.teenkarma.com/

I can proudly say I shot every photo on the site. Too bad I don't get recurring revenue on it. Oh well. Live and learn.

He needs to set up an affiliate program on it in my opinion.

Alky · 12-15-2002, 02:32 AM

your sig is a fucking HPA.

Fletch XXX · 12-15-2002, 02:33 AM

page not found.

Alky · 12-15-2002, 02:34 AM

nice to cater to the pedophiles, that girl looks 10. if that.

DarkJedi · 12-15-2002, 02:42 AM

she does look young

AaronM · 12-15-2002, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
she does look young

Yep, but Donovan's spams are getting old.

AaronM · 12-15-2002, 02:46 AM

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Originally posted by Alky
nice to cater to the pedophiles, that girl looks 10. if that.

She probably is. I do not see any nudity on the site. I love it when people exploit children like that.

Class act Donovan.

Donny · 12-15-2002, 02:47 AM

Like I said, the site doesn't belong to me. And the girl is almost 20 years old. I just WISH it belonged to me 'cause it will probably convert like crazy.

Alky · 12-15-2002, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

She probably is. I do not see any nudity on the site. I love it when people exploit children like that.

Class act Donovan.

i love you aaron

Donny · 12-15-2002, 02:51 AM

Ya'all are just jealous, like me. You wish you'd started Karma's site first. I'm sure it'll make a bundle of cash.

C'mon now.... admit it.

DarkJedi · 12-15-2002, 02:51 AM

from the site

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Inside you'll find lots of high-quality images of me, some with my clothes and some without! I know I look 14 but I promise you I'm 18 years old and I won't get you arrested (I might get you in trouble though!)

Fletch XXX · 12-15-2002, 02:54 AM

hahahaha

'I love sitting with my family at a big gathering and thinking "nobody at this table knows what I really do.'

quiet · 12-15-2002, 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Ya'all are just jealous, like me. You wish you'd started Karma's site first.

C'mon now.... admit it.

uh, sure.

quiet · 12-15-2002, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
hahahaha

'I love sitting with my family at a big gathering and thinking "nobody at this table knows what I really do.'

Horny Dude · 12-15-2002, 02:57 AM

Nice looking site and I'm sure it will convert like crazy, but that does border on looking too young!

Jive · 12-15-2002, 03:01 AM

My granny found out when she was visit I left the puter on..
shes 86 and was cleaning my pit! and found out pretty quick.
he.he. she banned me from pancakes for amonth? go figure.
he.he. the girl above seems borderline to me? just out the tranning bra?

KCat · 12-15-2002, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Ya'all are just jealous, like me. You wish you'd started Karma's site first. I'm sure it'll make a bundle of cash.

C'mon now.... admit it.

Why exactly would anyone be jealous of a borderline pedo site? Sales aren't hurting *that* badly, are they?

Brujah · 12-15-2002, 04:00 AM

Wait a minute, I don't see you guys jumping all over Lightspeed about Tawnee Stone. If she's almost 20 years old, what makes this situation any different to you ? Is it because the post is by "Donovan" instead of "Lightspeed' ?

p1mpdogg · 12-15-2002, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
Wait a minute, I don't see you guys jumping all over Lightspeed about Tawnee Stone. If she's almost 20 years old, what makes this situation any different to you ? Is it because the post is by "Donovan" instead of "Lightspeed' ?

quiet · 12-15-2002, 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
Wait a minute, I don't see you guys jumping all over Lightspeed about Tawnee Stone. If she's almost 20 years old, what makes this situation any different to you ? Is it because the post is by "Donovan" instead of "Lightspeed' ?

people jump on them about tawny all the time.

Mutt · 12-15-2002, 04:11 AM

every content provider who does teens has girls that are similar to this girl. in fact in another thread tonight there were a whole bunch of pix posted of 'teens'. So one of them 'appears' to be 15, another one could pass for 16, another one 17.

the only thing i have a problem with is when somebody puts a young looking model into situations which clearly cater to pedophiles. 18 year old teens don't hug teddy bears, don't have bedrooms that are decorated for a 12 year old girl, don't have crayons etc etc

as far as i know none of that is what Tawnee is about. i didn't check out TeenKarma other than the front page.

Gutterboy · 12-15-2002, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
Is it because the post is by "Donovan" instead of "Lightspeed' ?

Yes.

Why don't people just admit to themselves that it is perfectly normal for men to be attracted to teenage girls under 18? I don't think there is anything wrong with places like Club Seventeen who play on the 'just the other side of legal' fantasy. Most teen sites do it to one degree or another, but no one wants to cop to it.

Pedophilia is a pathology in which ones primary sexual orientation is prepubescent children, not some 25 year old guy who thinks a well developed 16 year old is hot.

flashfreak · 12-15-2002, 05:33 AM

the design is great... so smooth.. I'm jealous I don't have such ideeas and such HTML knowledges...

now seriously, is it "made" by your girlfriend too?

Skrievertie · 12-15-2002, 07:29 AM

Just checking how many posts i have...... c-ya

Scootermuze · 12-15-2002, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
...... And the girl is almost 20 years old. .......

'She' says she's 18..

DarkJedi · 12-15-2002, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
18 year old teens don't hug teddy bears, don't have bedrooms that are decorated for a 12 year old girl, don't have crayons etc etc.

umm.....i do

eroswebmaster · 12-15-2002, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by Scootermuze

'She' says she's 18..

On some sites so does Guage and we all know in the porn world she almost qualifies for retirement benefits and a handicapped placard.

But damn this girl "Karma" does look young.

Upon first glance I thought it was one of those non-nude "model" sites.

Yeah it'll convert but I won't promote it.

Brujah · 12-15-2002, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
as far as i know none of that is what Tawnee is about. i didn't check out TeenKarma other than the front page.

You haven't seen pics of Tawnee with teddybears (or bunnies), or pony tails in a little girls bedroom ?

eroswebmaster · 12-15-2002, 08:38 AM

Check Karma's Link Page...now check out the ad copy under the evidence eliminator link:

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The reason I think this is worth posting is that I've known two people who have gotten raided by the police because they thought there was "child porn" on their computers. They didn't, of course, but you never really know what's on your computer until the police look at it with an electron microscope, and then it's too late. Every email you've recieved and every website you've visited his recoverable in a crime lab- so I figure why take any chances?

I guess 1 being the photographer that took these pictures...and 2 being the designer who created the site...LOL

Mutt · 12-15-2002, 08:50 AM

actually no i haven't. i've only briefly looked at Tawnee's site.

all the teen sites, content, are all walking a bit of an ethical moral tightrope.

The guy above though had it right though, men, all of us look at hot teenage girls sexually. It doesn't mean anybody is a pedophile. A pedophile gets off on children, pre-pubescents and girls right on the cusp of becoming a woman. Once a girl's secondary sex characteristics are all there, menstruation, breasts, pubic hair - she's biologically an adult. But we as a society have decided that unlike in many other cultures young adults 13-18 aren't ready for sex, especially with an adult. So we've now I think gone overboard, we now look at guys who enjoy looking at a hot 16 year old as a pedophile. No way - that's a normal guy. Even a 30 year old guy who starts a relationship with a hot 16 year old isn't a pedophile, he's an idiot and he can be charged with statuatory rape but he's not a pedophile.

i think any content that takes a young looking legal model and tries to create the impression that she is pre-pubescent or barely pubescent is wrong.

Stuffed animals are sorta hard to make judgements about, if you go to a college dorm, most college girls do bring a stuffed animal or two with them.

fiveyes · 12-15-2002, 08:52 AM

Yeah, about that "Links" section:

This is where my very first photosets were published on the Internet. If you like girls like me (who look younger than they are) you should definitely check out ...

.:Frog:. · 12-15-2002, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt

as far as i know none of that is what Tawnee is about. i didn't check out TeenKarma other than the front page.

You are dead wrong. Tawnee is being made out to look 12. She has Disney toys with her in certain photos. She wears kiddy PJ's and is always holding stuffed animals etc..

She is 18 so its legal, but they are trying to make her appear as young and child like as possible.

Donny · 12-15-2002, 09:11 AM

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now seriously, is it "made" by your girlfriend too?

Reading for comprehension is a good thing. I already told you a client created this site. It comes from the same people that bring you TeenFlood.com, if you must know.

theking · 12-15-2002, 09:34 AM

I don't.

SteveLightspeed · 12-15-2002, 10:27 AM

I think people need to stop confusing "innocent" for "young" --- our goal with all our photography is to make our models look innocent and wholesome, no tattoos, no piercings, no high heels, no thongs, no fake tits, and not a lot of makeup.

If you guys think Tawnee looks underage, then all I can say is:

I'm sorry my pornstars don't look used up yet!

Steve Lightspeed

Brujah · 12-15-2002, 10:38 AM

Steve, the dictionary gives this definition for "innocent".

A person, especially a child, who is free of evil or sin.
A simple, guileless, inexperienced, or unsophisticated person.
A very young child.

SteveLightspeed · 12-15-2002, 10:43 AM

The key word there is "inexperienced" -- we shoot mostly first time models, and we cater to guys who aren't into girls who take 18 facials, fists in their ass, or piss in their mouth.

We are very careful never to insinuate that any of our girls are underage -- all our sites are clearly labled, and even the names imply 18 and over (university, sorority) -- those terms don't exist in a child's world

Brujah · 12-15-2002, 11:02 AM

Do I think Tawnee Stone looked underage ? Yes. I thought the same with all the spam I get for xxxRaimi site. When I first got one, I actually thought thats what it was.

Some people will feel uncomfortable mixing porn with girls that APPEAR to them to be under the legal age. If the models look underage to a handful of webmasters, you can bet they look underate to a lot of surfers. There's no doubt that you'll get plenty of signups from guys looking for that "underage" appeal of a model or models on a site.

I'm not talking about LightSpeed's sites specifically, but any site that has models that may look underage to the surfer.

This shouldn't be viewed as a moral rant of any kind either, just my observations. Personally, it doesn't bother me as long as it's legal. My presence in this thread was to call out hypocritical views. People here like to throw stones at others if they're not popular or threatening. Then end up overlooking it when someone else who is popular or threatening does the same thing. Whether it be running sites with young looking models, supports spam, questionable meta tags, celeb sites, bestiality, etc.. You know the deal.

<IMX> · 12-15-2002, 01:14 PM

Brujah--
I agree with what you are saying.

There is a definite push in most of the "teen sites" to make girls look as young as possible. Stuffed animals disney wallpaper etc. I've seen that stuff on Tawnees site, and other "teen" sites.

Mutt I haven't seen softcore teens that are promoted any differently, matter of fact. I guess the big thing is if they look like that "$$$$$$$$$" teen look (ie they are 20 and look 12).

jimmy3way · 12-15-2002, 01:34 PM

This debate always confuses me, mainly cos it's bullshit.

What is the fuck is the difference between a girl who is 17 years 364 days old and a girl who is 18? Zero.

Except the law.

This isn't a moral debate, it's a legal one but people come in here and bag on Lightspeed or Donovan Whothefuckever because they cater to guys who like young girls.

It's the same as blaming guys who run big titty sites for women who have messed up body images.

Get off your moral high horses, because you're full of shit.

A 19 year old girl with diapers on is still 19 and perfectly legal no matter how young they 'make' her look.

quiet · 12-15-2002, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
My presence in this thread was to call out hypocritical views. People here like to throw stones at others if they're not popular or threatening. Then end up overlooking it when someone else who is popular or threatening does the same thing.

again, i've seen many different threads bitching about tawny's 'young' look.

it's the first time i've seen anyone mention this karma site.

so where's the hypocrisy?

Brujah · 12-15-2002, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
again, i've seen many different threads bitching about tawny's 'young' look.

it's the first time i've seen anyone mention this karma site.

so where's the hypocrisy?

Why don't you do your own research? Last I checked, the forum had a search feature. Look it up and see for yourself. If you take the time to look instead of pretending I'm making it up, I will bet that you find people bitching in this very thread about the Karma site, while supporting the Lightspeed sites in other threads.

<IMX> · 12-15-2002, 02:56 PM

quiet--

As long as it is legal do your thing, it is hard to debate ethical/moral standards in an industry such as this. Or any competitive industry for that matter.

I didn't like lightspeed's whole tirad on maxhardcore's stuff, just like I don't like folks saying this teenkarma site or tawnee's site is different than any other "softcore teen" site. I guess folks don't see the irony in attacking other's ethics on the way they promote legal content. Other folks will attack you in a different niche. ("teen softcore" v. "mature adult extreme hardcore")

In a way it is like the mp3 stuff (although this is legal) don't use bullshit about about some common ethical system that we all share. Because we don't all share a common ethical system, especially in a competive marketplace.

If it is legal, then it is legal. People will push to the absolute edge.

In that way I agree with jimmy's statement.

eroswebmaster · 12-15-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way
This debate always confuses me, mainly cos it's bullshit.

What is the fuck is the difference between a girl who is 17 years 364 days old and a girl who is 18? Zero.

Except the law.

This isn't a moral debate, it's a legal one but people come in here and bag on Lightspeed or Donovan Whothefuckever because they cater to guys who like young girls.

It's the same as blaming guys who run big titty sites for women who have messed up body images.

Get off your moral high horses, because you're full of shit.

A 19 year old girl with diapers on is still 19 and perfectly legal no matter how young they 'make' her look.

Well while she is legal I think these guys are walking a thin line.
While Tawny looks like she could be 16 at the youngest I am more apt to believe 18-19 when I see her, however this girl looks 12 at the youngest in some pics.

No moral high horse here on my part...I'm a staunch believer in first amendment rights and as long as it is legal then you do as you wish.

But I would not want the headache of running such a site because I guarantee you they will be getting a knock on the door from some law enforcement agency at some point and they better hope they are running everything on the up and up and not a single model release is missing

High Quality · 12-15-2002, 02:58 PM

dizzam she is young looking

PerfectionGirls · 12-15-2002, 03:01 PM

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But I would not want the headache of running such a site because I guarantee you they will be getting a knock on the door from some law enforcement agency at some point and they better hope they are running everything on the up and up.

No headaches when you are on the "up and up".

Honeyslut · 12-15-2002, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Wait a minute, I don't see you guys jumping all over Lightspeed about Tawnee Stone. If she's almost 20 years old, what makes this situation any different to you ? Is it because the post is by "Donovan" instead of "Lightspeed' ?

I was thinking the same thing !

UnseenWorld · 12-15-2002, 03:20 PM

Girls who look younger than they are have a right to work, too.

If she appeals to a pedophile, perhaps he'll jack off instead of molesting a child.

Our culture has a wacky way of dealing with peds. Probably a lot of the kids who get killed are killed by peds fearing discovery.

I don't know if I have the answer, but the way we do it certainly isn't the answer. The peds molest the kids, and when the peds are done, our guilt- and shame-oriented culture does the rest. The kids get harmed twice.

Instead of inculcating into the victims the idea that what happened was some sort of mind-bendingly bad thing, we should help them shrug it off with "Sorry that happened, but it's no big deal."

I studied pedophilia quite a bit when I was dating a woman who had been molested (or claimed as much), so I read up on it.

One of the biggest sources of guilt for the kids is that frequently, the kids are not passive victims. They discover that, hey, sex feels good. (I'm not talking about infants here, obviously, but the kids who are a bit older and are capable of a purely physical response.) When the abuse get discovered, they suddenly hear that all this stuff that was happening was HORRIBLY BAD, and when they reflect on the fact that it felt okay to them, they get this feeling of being dispossessed and evil and full of shame.

We need to tell them that what they were doing wasn't wrong, it just wasn't time for it yet, that sex is for older people, not kids, and that what happened happened to them not because of them and that eventually they'll have a good sex life, but that sex is not a healthy thing to do at their stage of life. And that is why the molester was bad, but you (the child) were not bad.

Unfortunately, after molestation is discovered, there's such a climate of hysteria surrounding the abuse that the kid gets traumatized a second time.

eroswebmaster · 12-15-2002, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

No headaches when you are on the "up and up".

Not debating anything with you but next time if you quote me quote me correctly...you ended my quote with a period when there was no period and it continued on to the most important part.

My quote in it's entirety:

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But I would not want the headache of running such a site because I guarantee you they will be getting a knock on the door from some law enforcement agency at some point and they better hope they are running everything on the up and up and not a single model release is missing

With the key part of that quote being at the end...."AND NOT A SINGLE MODEL RELEASE IS MISSING"

Hell anyone can make mistakes I just wouldn't want to be on the end of an investigation into a site like that one and one of those kinds of mistakes occurs. So when they do come a knockin' because someone is going to damn well complain about that site they had better hope every T is crossed and every I is dotted.

Because if not you may be still found innocent in the end, but the financial, emotional, and possibly physical pains you suffer from spending a night in county lock up arrested on possible cp charges could harm you for life.

jimmy3way · 12-15-2002, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

No headaches when you are on the "up and up".

That is complete and total bullshit.

When the cops come to your door with a search warrant, seize your computers, lap tops, records, checks, etc and then tell you that you'll be hearing from them in six to 12 months after they get around to going through all your shit, you tell me how happy you are being on the up and up.

12-15-2002, 02:31 AM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I wish this site was mine I had to post this. I shot a girl named Karma for one of my clients. He emailed me and told me that she was so popular on his site that he wanted to start a site of her own. He had me shoot several thousand photos of her over the coarse of a week. I finally got to see what the site looks like tonight. I think it kicks ass! I wish I would have thought of this. Shit! Anyway, here she is: http://www.teenkarma.com/ I can proudly say I shot every photo on the site. Too bad I don't get recurring revenue on it. Oh well. Live and learn. He needs to set up an affiliate program on it in my opinion.

12-15-2002, 02:33 AM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	page not found. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

12-15-2002, 02:51 AM	#10
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Ya'all are just jealous, like me. You wish you'd started Karma's site first. I'm sure it'll make a bundle of cash. C'mon now.... admit it. Last edited by DonovanPhillips; 12-15-2002 at 02:57 AM..

12-15-2002, 02:54 AM	#12
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	hahahaha 'I love sitting with my family at a big gathering and thinking "nobody at this table knows what I really do.' __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

12-15-2002, 02:57 AM	#15
Horny Dude Earn enough to buy coffee Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego, Ca. Posts: 4,912	Nice looking site and I'm sure it will convert like crazy, but that does border on looking too young! __________________

12-15-2002, 02:32 AM	#2
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	your sig is a fucking HPA.

12-15-2002, 02:34 AM	#4
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	nice to cater to the pedophiles, that girl looks 10. if that.

12-15-2002, 02:42 AM	#5
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	she does look young

12-15-2002, 02:47 AM	#8
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Like I said, the site doesn't belong to me. And the girl is almost 20 years old. I just WISH it belonged to me 'cause it will probably convert like crazy.

12-15-2002, 03:01 AM	#16
Jive So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 1,449	My granny found out when she was visit I left the puter on.. shes 86 and was cleaning my pit! and found out pretty quick. he.he. she banned me from pancakes for amonth? go figure. he.he. the girl above seems borderline to me? just out the tranning bra?

12-15-2002, 04:00 AM	#18
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Wait a minute, I don't see you guys jumping all over Lightspeed about Tawnee Stone. If she's almost 20 years old, what makes this situation any different to you ? Is it because the post is by "Donovan" instead of "Lightspeed' ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-15-2002, 04:11 AM	#21
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	every content provider who does teens has girls that are similar to this girl. in fact in another thread tonight there were a whole bunch of pix posted of 'teens'. So one of them 'appears' to be 15, another one could pass for 16, another one 17. the only thing i have a problem with is when somebody puts a young looking model into situations which clearly cater to pedophiles. 18 year old teens don't hug teddy bears, don't have bedrooms that are decorated for a 12 year old girl, don't have crayons etc etc as far as i know none of that is what Tawnee is about. i didn't check out TeenKarma other than the front page. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-15-2002, 05:33 AM	#23
flashfreak Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cloud number 9 Posts: 4,396	the design is great... so smooth.. I'm jealous I don't have such ideeas and such HTML knowledges... now seriously, is it "made" by your girlfriend too? __________________ SEO Mogul \| ICQ: 163671223 Last edited by flashfreak; 12-15-2002 at 05:34 AM..

12-15-2002, 07:29 AM	#24
Skrievertie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 38	Just checking how many posts i have...... c-ya

12-15-2002, 08:50 AM	#30
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	actually no i haven't. i've only briefly looked at Tawnee's site. all the teen sites, content, are all walking a bit of an ethical moral tightrope. The guy above though had it right though, men, all of us look at hot teenage girls sexually. It doesn't mean anybody is a pedophile. A pedophile gets off on children, pre-pubescents and girls right on the cusp of becoming a woman. Once a girl's secondary sex characteristics are all there, menstruation, breasts, pubic hair - she's biologically an adult. But we as a society have decided that unlike in many other cultures young adults 13-18 aren't ready for sex, especially with an adult. So we've now I think gone overboard, we now look at guys who enjoy looking at a hot 16 year old as a pedophile. No way - that's a normal guy. Even a 30 year old guy who starts a relationship with a hot 16 year old isn't a pedophile, he's an idiot and he can be charged with statuatory rape but he's not a pedophile. i think any content that takes a young looking legal model and tries to create the impression that she is pre-pubescent or barely pubescent is wrong. Stuffed animals are sorta hard to make judgements about, if you go to a college dorm, most college girls do bring a stuffed animal or two with them. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-15-2002, 08:52 AM	#31
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12-15-2002, 09:34 AM	#34
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12-15-2002, 10:27 AM	#35
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	I think people need to stop confusing "innocent" for "young" --- our goal with all our photography is to make our models look innocent and wholesome, no tattoos, no piercings, no high heels, no thongs, no fake tits, and not a lot of makeup. If you guys think Tawnee looks underage, then all I can say is: I'm sorry my pornstars don't look used up yet! Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

12-15-2002, 10:38 AM	#36
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Steve, the dictionary gives this definition for "innocent". A person, especially a child, who is free of evil or sin. A simple, guileless, inexperienced, or unsophisticated person. A very young child. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-15-2002, 10:43 AM	#37
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	The key word there is "inexperienced" -- we shoot mostly first time models, and we cater to guys who aren't into girls who take 18 facials, fists in their ass, or piss in their mouth. We are very careful never to insinuate that any of our girls are underage -- all our sites are clearly labled, and even the names imply 18 and over (university, sorority) -- those terms don't exist in a child's world __________________ Abra-cadabra!

12-15-2002, 11:02 AM	#38
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Do I think Tawnee Stone looked underage ? Yes. I thought the same with all the spam I get for xxxRaimi site. When I first got one, I actually thought thats what it was. Some people will feel uncomfortable mixing porn with girls that APPEAR to them to be under the legal age. If the models look underage to a handful of webmasters, you can bet they look underate to a lot of surfers. There's no doubt that you'll get plenty of signups from guys looking for that "underage" appeal of a model or models on a site. I'm not talking about LightSpeed's sites specifically, but any site that has models that may look underage to the surfer. This shouldn't be viewed as a moral rant of any kind either, just my observations. Personally, it doesn't bother me as long as it's legal. My presence in this thread was to call out hypocritical views. People here like to throw stones at others if they're not popular or threatening. Then end up overlooking it when someone else who is popular or threatening does the same thing. Whether it be running sites with young looking models, supports spam, questionable meta tags, celeb sites, bestiality, etc.. You know the deal. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-15-2002, 01:14 PM	#39
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	Brujah-- I agree with what you are saying. There is a definite push in most of the "teen sites" to make girls look as young as possible. Stuffed animals disney wallpaper etc. I've seen that stuff on Tawnees site, and other "teen" sites. Mutt I haven't seen softcore teens that are promoted any differently, matter of fact. I guess the big thing is if they look like that "$$$$$$$$$" teen look (ie they are 20 and look 12). __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

12-15-2002, 01:34 PM	#40
jimmy3way Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Top Secret Hideout Posts: 2,508	This debate always confuses me, mainly cos it's bullshit. What is the fuck is the difference between a girl who is 17 years 364 days old and a girl who is 18? Zero. Except the law. This isn't a moral debate, it's a legal one but people come in here and bag on Lightspeed or Donovan Whothefuckever because they cater to guys who like young girls. It's the same as blaming guys who run big titty sites for women who have messed up body images. Get off your moral high horses, because you're full of shit. A 19 year old girl with diapers on is still 19 and perfectly legal no matter how young they 'make' her look. __________________ One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

12-15-2002, 02:56 PM	#43
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	quiet-- As long as it is legal do your thing, it is hard to debate ethical/moral standards in an industry such as this. Or any competitive industry for that matter. I didn't like lightspeed's whole tirad on maxhardcore's stuff, just like I don't like folks saying this teenkarma site or tawnee's site is different than any other "softcore teen" site. I guess folks don't see the irony in attacking other's ethics on the way they promote legal content. Other folks will attack you in a different niche. ("teen softcore" v. "mature adult extreme hardcore") In a way it is like the mp3 stuff (although this is legal) don't use bullshit about about some common ethical system that we all share. Because we don't all share a common ethical system, especially in a competive marketplace. If it is legal, then it is legal. People will push to the absolute edge. In that way I agree with jimmy's statement. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

12-15-2002, 02:58 PM	#45
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	dizzam she is young looking

12-15-2002, 03:20 PM	#48
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Girls who look younger than they are have a right to work, too. If she appeals to a pedophile, perhaps he'll jack off instead of molesting a child. Our culture has a wacky way of dealing with peds. Probably a lot of the kids who get killed are killed by peds fearing discovery. I don't know if I have the answer, but the way we do it certainly isn't the answer. The peds molest the kids, and when the peds are done, our guilt- and shame-oriented culture does the rest. The kids get harmed twice. Instead of inculcating into the victims the idea that what happened was some sort of mind-bendingly bad thing, we should help them shrug it off with "Sorry that happened, but it's no big deal." I studied pedophilia quite a bit when I was dating a woman who had been molested (or claimed as much), so I read up on it. One of the biggest sources of guilt for the kids is that frequently, the kids are not passive victims. They discover that, hey, sex feels good. (I'm not talking about infants here, obviously, but the kids who are a bit older and are capable of a purely physical response.) When the abuse get discovered, they suddenly hear that all this stuff that was happening was HORRIBLY BAD, and when they reflect on the fact that it felt okay to them, they get this feeling of being dispossessed and evil and full of shame. We need to tell them that what they were doing wasn't wrong, it just wasn't time for it yet, that sex is for older people, not kids, and that what happened happened to them not because of them and that eventually they'll have a good sex life, but that sex is not a healthy thing to do at their stage of life. And that is why the molester was bad, but you (the child) were not bad. Unfortunately, after molestation is discovered, there's such a climate of hysteria surrounding the abuse that the kid gets traumatized a second time. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.