Originally Posted by Altwebdesign

http://www.yessignals.com/RouseAttraction.html

Attraction isnt a choice. . . . David Deangelo!! you could of at least came up with your tag line!

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

dude - look at the size of this thread......I'll get to it but i don't have 100 employees

the reason I show it for free is cause most everyone I talk to says the site grows on you. The usual response is ugggg, then hummm, then wow - and he time frame to go though this is different for everyone.. some a few seconds, some minutes, some hours or days. They tell me there's good information in it and they like the concept. I'm hoping people see the yessignals - go into their real life, and experience them. then come back. Keeping them coming back requires not only goo info but porn - so i'm going to be doing daily updates on the porn as well as regularly adding new info and stuff. I'm targeting TGP MGP and tube so if people see the stuff on their favortite free site and have experenced it before they will come back and eventually sign up. It's a soft sell. The main market I see today is tube - and they give the movies away for free. To conform I wanted something that would work with them and not get brushed off. I see the porn as a secondary sale - as such i put full movies up. Not sure if I'll continue with that idea, but I want to run with it for a bit on testing and see what happens.

bro, elite, dumbass or idiot. - good questions need to be answered. that was a good question and I missed it. I didn't purposefully ignore it. There is a lot i need to get to in this thread.

Don't get caught in the hype my haters want you to believe about me. Make your decisions based on your experiences. If they're bad - so be it. Think about it, I wouldn't have so many friends in this business if I was everything my haters wanted you to believe.

Originally Posted by Choker

I'm surprised he didn't start throwing accusations out about your traffic quality. Of course it's not his shitty site it's your traffic that's the problem. (sarcasm). As time goes on and guys put up links to this joke of a site, they will be posting the same results as you did. At this point Sleazydream will have no choice but to start blaming everyones traffic as the reason for no signups. And if by chance some fool surfer does signup, after logging in the members area and seeing a whopping 17 SEVENTEEN movies for $29.99 a month the chargebacks will roll in and ccbill will shut the site down. Hell they never should have approved it in the first place.

Originally Posted by Vjo

Sound good. As long as you have a plan.

Yeah I guess when you get over 10,000 posts and you're outspoken, you prob do pick up a few haters.

I got to get out of this "chat life". Too much drama, too easy to waste time.. like MaxJohan said in a post, "what are you doing on the boards, waste of time"
so true. BUT, for some reason it's fub abd can alsmost become "sport" if you dont look out.

I don't know how any of you get anything done AND post all day everyday too.

Test your age, rember the cartoon Tooter Turtle and Mr. Wizard?

Tooter: "..this wm'ing thing aint working out..
help Mr. Wizard help" "Mr Wizard heeeeelp"

Mr Wizard: "trival, treval, traval, home
time for this one too come home.."



It's all good.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i answered this before in another thread - ccbill gives you mastercard and a couple others right away and you wait for visa approval

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

some surfers might not fall for porn stars giving yes signals ..

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i'm really getting tired of this vendetta you have against me. it's getting old.

I asked a legitimate question about your new dating site in another thread and you freaked and threatened me on icq. Sad part is I didn't even slam you or your site if you actually read what i said. The idea of someone questioning you just pushed you over the edge.

you've gone a huge tangent in this thread to make every attempt to destroy me. carry on, it's who you are.

it's sad and really says a lot about who you are as a person.



I hope you do well signing up one person to 5 different dating sites on your new program. It will probably work well for you and your affiliates. I'm going to be honest here there, I personally think it's a scam. Sure it's possible they buy at all 5 sites..... but I'm left asking this question to the surfers here. Have you ever PAID FOR 5 dating sites in ONE DAY? Think about that......cause at the end of the day it's about if they actually pay for the site. Now if people are actually paying for 5 sites then hey - what do I know. I've been proven wrong before. I just don't think it's sustainable and personally believe it's a scam that will eventually be figured out. If I ran a dating site I wouldn't want to be paying on a member if they at the SAME TIME were signed up to 5 other sites....only time will tell if your system is financially sustainable though as the sites collect data and run the numbers on what you're doing.

but in the mean time I'm sure it'll work well for you and your affiliates. It's not the kind of business i want to do though....but that's just me. Something about it just feels wrong...........

good luck with it.

Originally Posted by Choker

Sounds like your trying to scam people into believing this joke of a site got sales with just mastercard? Lieing about sales to get affilaites to promote this site would be consdiered a scam. Post proof as in a ccbill screen shot of sales this site supposedly already got. Prove to everyone that a site with no visa approval got sales from the what 10% of the population who uses mastercard. Lieing about sales in order to get people to send traffic to your site?

Originally Posted by candyflip

It's obvious that you just don't get it.

Originally Posted by Choker

Sounds like your trying to scam people into believing this joke of a site got sales with just mastercard? Lieing about sales to get affilaites to promote this site would be consdiered a scam. Post proof as in a ccbill screen shot of sales this site supposedly already got. Prove to everyone that a site with no visa approval got sales from the what 10% of the population who uses mastercard. Lieing about sales in order to get people to send traffic to your site?

Originally Posted by marketsmart

the things i thought would work didn't.. the things I thought wouldn't, did..

all you can do is try and test, but remember this...

"a smart man knows when to exit a sinking ship, an IDIOT will try to convince himself that it's very common to be up to your neck in water while on a boat"

another one of my AWESOME sayings as we wind down 2009...

scott, i think your idea is fine and although your site needs a lot of work, become a stats whore and try everything.. this is almost 2010 and if you aren't split testing then you are an IDIOT...

you took the first step by taking action and that is more than most people ever do, now just dont let ego get in the way of taking peoples advice, even if its the wrong advice...

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I don't post stats on money - never have in 10 years online and never will.

call me anything you want on that issue, not changing there.

Originally Posted by Choker

Just a question Sleazy, just like you asked me if I was scamming my affiliates. If you are telling the truth about sales you should have no problem posting your ccbill stats for everyone to see, I mean you made a pretty wild claim here so can you back it up with a screenshot of your ccbill stats?

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

then feel free to call me a liar. you're already doing that so how's this any different?

I'm not changing my stand for almost 10 years of not posting sales stats.

you should know that by now.

Originally Posted by will76

My advice:

- partner up with someone to shoot your own custom videos. I don't see how using obvious porn videos to show someone how a female shows signals to guys is going to fly. It's a porn video, everyone knows its a porn video. The chick and the dude is being paid to the there. None of those situations will happen in real life. The surfer isn't going to learn how to pick up chicks from looking at a porn video. This will be one of your critical flaws. If you can shoot your own videos, in real life situations, that is common for the surfer to be in, like in the mall, bar, grocery store, etc... then you going to have a very hard time with this site. Show the right and wrong way to approach the girl, make the wrong way ones funny, those will have a lot of viral potential especially if you do R rated versions that can go on youtube and X rated versions for the tube sites.

- Make the videos not only show how to "pick up" a chick, but what to do to her sexuallly. Lot of guys don't know what they hell they are doing, I would do some video shoots of a girl explaining to guys, this is what we like, this is what we don't like etc.. you could have a lot of fun with that. Again its more porn, but also funny and entertaining.

- Who is giving the advice on your site? The first thing I would want to know about an advice site is who the person is giving it. If it is going to be you then talk yourself up about how you fucked 1000's of girls and want to share this info with everyone. Play on the fact that you are fat, ugly, etc.. most surfers are and can relate to that, and if they believe that they can get laid following your methods they might pay for it.

- Make your member's area more interractive. Having a chick do Q & A in the member's area would be a big plus. You can't just have a bunch of text and a couple videos there. Seriously, people who signup will never rebill, unless they forget to cancell. Even if you add a video a day or whatever, they will get enough of that right away unless you provide interraction with them.

I'll stop there. If anyone else wants some feed back or consulting let me know. I can analyze your entire site, give you tons of ideas, suggestions etc... work out an affordable price for a couple hours of work.

Hope that helps you, good luck.

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

i dont understand millions of things, heck billions, but there are some i DO understand and i wrote them, ill outline them again amigo:

1. the site is confusing as heck, the average person does not KNOW what it is about.
2. Those videos look very old and dont offer much to be desired
3. You show few signals in a video
4. So why is the surfer joining? if they want porn, your site sucks for it, if they want signals, you offer little to be desired too.

All im saying is you will need more than few vids from 1980 to retain people, i know you think that by showing the "signals" in the crappy videos they will stay, but thats not how it works...

Let me guess your reply? "there are things i dont understand"

Well goodluck im done here, will just watch and see

Originally Posted by ffmihai

all words start with capital letters - also makes it pretty hard to read the text.

Originally Posted by lagcam

This post contains the recipe for success. If you don't do this, somebody else will and that site will blow your site away. It even could be two sites, one non adult one pecifically targetted at the myspace, youtube, social network crowds or teenagers and with an ADULT upsell to the grown up version. Will is right about the concept and how to market it and especially that you need funny to go viral, and Shap is right that a successful business shouldn't rely only on affiliates (who take a large proportion of your bottom line remember)

Originally Posted by Choker

Ah the double standards thing again eh? If anyone makes wild claims about anything on this board you call them out, call them a lier and attack them until they can post proof. If they don't post proof you attack them so much they never post on this board again? How many guys have you ran off this board with your uncalled for attacks?

You can't post proof because you LIED. Your a fucking lier. Nobody here believes that you got a single sell on this shitty site before visa approval. Again why can't you prove this? You claim you made sales without visa approval for a site your trying to get affiliates to promote but can't prove your wild claims. This sounds like a scam to me.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i answered this before in another thread - ccbill gives you mastercard and a couple others right away and you wait for visa approval

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

are you running around your house in your undies singing 'liar liar pants on fire' now?

not posting sales stats. never have, never will.

call me any names you want. mind you I notice you haven't' addressed my questions about your business practices.....

Originally Posted by kush

I just have a hard time understanding how you can get "few sales are already bleeding into it.. I have no idea how they found it" without VISA and not know where they're coming from? I use Mojohost as well and their awstats are pretty good... you should be able to make an educated guess from that alone. I also have experience with merchant accounts/gateways and know the approx ratios for VISA/MC/DISCOVER/AMEX for mainstream... and porn I would expect to be even more VISA dependent and less of the others.

I don't want to call you a liar, but honestly if I'm going to put up some links where I think they could sell, I'd ask you substantiate this mystery sales claim, because I need to feel I can trust your integrity/intelligence (no offense).

Originally Posted by kush

I just have a hard time understanding how you can get "few sales are already bleeding into it.. I have no idea how they found it" without VISA and not know where they're coming from? I use Mojohost as well and their awstats are pretty good... you should be able to make an educated guess from that alone. I also have experience with merchant accounts/gateways and know the approx ratios for VISA/MC/DISCOVER/AMEX for mainstream... and porn I would expect to be even more VISA dependent and less of the others.

I don't want to call you a liar, but honestly if I'm going to put up some links where I think they could sell, I'd ask you substantiate this mystery sales claim, because I need to feel I can trust your integrity/intelligence (no offense).

Originally Posted by Choker

No I'm just enjoying this massive fail of yours. You can search all you want , hell over the years how many times have you tried in vain to catch me doing unethical things and were unable to? Keep searching.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

it's in google under many of the signals and has been for months now... plus I leaked it to a few people on facebook before I should have - not from the industry.....

been playing with webmaster tools on google a lot recently - amazed at just how well that's going on some terms to be honest....and i don't know much about SEO


thank you for testing it. I don't believe this kind of thing is an instant sale, looking at this thread a lot of people initially hated it and then slowly turned... it's a subtle slower sale that takes a little time to sink in.

Originally Posted by Choker

Yeah if a sponsor, any sponsor made that claim he would either post proof or rediculed into oblivion. But sleazydream is in the bro club, so everyone is supposed to take his word for it.

Originally Posted by kush

Ah now there's some good info! I liked the potential from that early sales statement you made, just wanted to understand it.... now I do. And I do have dating sites projects planned very soon for mainstream, so perhaps we can get something going after all.

I like your new more humble learning approach. Keep it up.

And from a mainstream approach, offer more info as to what the surfer gets when they join. It's not very intuitive. I'm sure you've looked at how to pick up girls sites before for ideas... I'd go back to those!

Originally Posted by Choker

Yeah if a sponsor, any sponsor made that claim he would either post proof or rediculed into oblivion. But sleazydream is in the bro club, so everyone is supposed to take his word for it.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I don't post stats on money - never have in 10 years online and never will.

call me anything you want on that issue, not changing there.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

lunch time

Originally Posted by lagcam

This post contains the recipe for success. If you don't do this, somebody else will and that site will blow your site away. It even could be two sites, one non adult one pecifically targetted at the myspace, youtube, social network crowds or teenagers and with an ADULT upsell to the grown up version. Will is right about the concept and how to market it and especially that you need funny to go viral, and Shap is right that a successful business shouldn't rely only on affiliates (who take a large proportion of your bottom line remember)

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

it's in google under many of the signals and has been for months now...

Originally Posted by JFK

whats for lunch? Just a question no harm in asking right?

Originally Posted by will76

thanks, and thanks for the post you made about me a few pages earlier, made me stop and think.... and nice to get a little gut check every now and then.


And if anyone wants to luanch a new project and they are short on ideas or have an idea they need refining and tweaking hit me up for some consulting. I've got tons of ideas on the shelf, no time to get to must of them and some too big for me to do on my own.

Originally Posted by QuaWee

Wow, looks pretty shitty. There are ton of great PUA sites created by actual gurus

Originally Posted by candyflip

In what country, I just search all the terms and you don't show up in the first 5 pages for any of them.

Another lie?