Why is Choker getting so much shit lately?

[luv$]

Dude's a legend & deserves your respect.

Do your research people.

[candyflip]

From Sleazy?

I'd hardly call that shit.

[fmltube]

He went against the BROs

[CaptainHowdy]

Well said, luv$... !

[CyberHustler]

Who choked on what?

[fuzebox]

Some people don't approve of his method of signing his members up to multiple free dating sites at once... I like Choker and have always respected him but I would not feel comfortable doing what he's doing.

[papill0n]

Whatever the reason is I have no doubt he can handle it himself.

[Quagmire]

I like Choker, minus his lover's quarrel with Sleazy.

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by fmltube

He went against the BROs

He went against THAT Bros club, not mine - he's welcome in mine, I believe Candyflip's already in it.

[ganjaman]

please give me a bit respect i have been a very cute child when i was young

[Playboy-Deak]

I perceived him to be a legend (The man) but as of late he makes himself looks small with all the back-n-forth childish posting...

[Choker]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Some people don't approve of his method of signing his members up to multiple free dating sites at once... I like Choker and have always respected him but I would not feel comfortable doing what he's doing.

Here we go, they are not signed up until they confirm. This is the same as having a link in my free dating sites to other dating sites except it makes it faster for them to make a profile when and if they do confirm and accept this account at the dating site I API to. For every 1000 members I api to other dating sites 250 actually confirm, so this tells me I am providing something my members want. When someone joins a dating site they don't just join one dating site, they join at least 2 or 3. Common sense it improves your chances of finding someone. I have gotten 10 times more complaints from webmasters about what I do than members of my free dating sites. In fact I have gotten only 5 complaints from members of my free dating sites about being API ed to other dating sites. When and if my members start complaining about this then I will re examine my business model. Not because some webmasters don't agree with what I'm doing.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

I like Choker, minus his lover's quarrel with Sleazy.

The quarrel with Sleazy is real. I agreed to stop my attacks as long as he does the same. My finger is on the trigger though, I'm just lurking and waiting for the smallest bit of instigation on his part to let lose on his ass.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Choker

Here we go, they are not signed up until they confirm. This is the same as having a link in my free dating sites to other dating sites except it makes it faster for them to make a profile when and if they do confirm and accept this account at the dating site I API to. For every 1000 members I api to other dating sites 250 actually confirm, so this tells me I am providing something my members want. When someone joins a dating site they don't just join one dating site, they join at least 2 or 3. Common sense it improves your chances of finding someone. I have gotten 10 times more complaints from webmasters about what I do than members of my free dating sites. In fact I have gotten only 5 complaints from members of my free dating sites about being API ed to other dating sites. When and if my members start complaining about this then I will re examine my business model. Not because some webmasters don't agree with what I'm doing.

Do you have a Q&A thread on this program going on somewhere on GFY?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Do you have a Q&A thread on this program going on somewhere on GFY?

Yeah it was more of a me announcing it and people attacking me for it, I can't do searches on gfy for some reason. Let me try to find someone to find it.

Funny how people attacking me for this are the same ones that send to sites with popups so bad you gotta reboot your computer, and paysites that have semi hidden cross sales for $150 total. Not to mention the spammers. LOL

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Choker

Here we go, they are not signed up until they confirm. This is the same as having a link in my free dating sites to other dating sites except it makes it faster for them to make a profile when and if they do confirm and accept this account at the dating site I API to. For every 1000 members I api to other dating sites 250 actually confirm, so this tells me I am providing something my members want. When someone joins a dating site they don't just join one dating site, they join at least 2 or 3. Common sense it improves your chances of finding someone. I have gotten 10 times more complaints from webmasters about what I do than members of my free dating sites. In fact I have gotten only 5 complaints from members of my free dating sites about being API ed to other dating sites. When and if my members start complaining about this then I will re examine my business model. Not because some webmasters don't agree with what I'm doing.

Lol I tried to say it in as nice a way as possible... I rarely attack anyone for their methods, my own moral compass is pretty damn loose. I personally would be comfortable with one extra API post, I got the impression that you were signing them up to like a dozen. If I'm wrong I apologize.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Lol I tried to say it in as nice a way as possible... I rarely attack anyone for their methods, my own moral compass is pretty damn loose. I personally would be comfortable with one extra API post, I got the impression that you were signing them up to like a dozen. If I'm wrong I apologize.

It's all good man, what would it matter if I apied them to 100 different sites? Seriously. I mean they have to confirm the account, they have to click on a confirm your account url. Do I feel guilty about my members getting a lot of emails? A little but on the signup page of my free sites they can easily uncheck the send me special offers box. About 15% do uncheck that box, those people never get apied. I am can spam compliant, I'm not breaking the law. I dont go buying email lists and cold emailing people. If a member in my dating site cancels his account the apis stop.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Choker

Yeah it was more of a me announcing it and people attacking me for it, I can't do searches on gfy for some reason. Let me try to find someone to find it.

Funny how people attacking me for this are the same ones that send to sites with popups so bad you gotta reboot your computer, and paysites that have semi hidden cross sales for $150 total. Not to mention the spammers. LOL

It looks quite interesting, although I have to admit and Ill be kind but the design of the signups etc is pretty generic and Im not sure what benefit I have of sending to that instead of say something modernly attractive landing pages of the direct programs. You know what I mean?

For free sites this program looks like a pretty awesome thing, hell getting free signups is sooooo easy, getting them to pay in this economy without chargebacks is quite another.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by cambaby

It looks quite interesting, although I have to admit and Ill be kind but the design of the signups etc is pretty generic and Im not sure what benefit I have of sending to that instead of say something modernly attractive landing pages of the direct programs. You know what I mean?

For free sites this program looks like a pretty awesome thing, hell getting free signups is sooooo easy, getting them to pay in this economy without chargebacks is quite another.

Well the cobrands are actual free dating sites. I have more real female members than many big dating sites do. So every member is a asset, we have them as a member and can advertise whatever we want to them. I am still experimenting with what to upsell them. You can't compare sending dating site directly to a pay dating site with sending it to a free dating site of mine. Send to a pay dating site you got one chance at one site to make money. Send them to a free dating site of mine you have many opportunities later to upsell them, your not gonna upsell them as fast at my sites as a pay dating site. Hell they just joined a free dating site why should they right then pay for a nother dating site? They are gonna first try their luck on the free dating site, if they strike out enough times maybe they will try one of the sites I upsell?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Choker

When and if my members start complaining about this then I will re examine my business model. Not because some webmasters don't agree with what I'm doing.

[Choker]

What if you wanted a paid dating site? You need members, nobody is gonna join a dating site with no members. So you have two choices.

1. Make a bunch of fake profiles and hire monkeys to send fake messages to your members.

2. Buy a existing dating site already stocked with members.


If you make a cobrand with me send joins your members share all the members of all the cobrands, including the more than 40k real female members I have. Build your members database up, when your ready to leave my cobrand and go the paid dating model you can take your members with you, profiles, email addys, pics, everything you take with you. I know of no other cobrand that lets you do this.

There is much more to my dating system than merely api ing members. It took me over a year to accumulate all the female members that makes this entire system work.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Choker

If you make a cobrand with me send joins your members share all the members of all the cobrands, including the more than 40k real female members I have. Build your members database up, when your ready to leave my cobrand and go the paid dating model you can take your members with you, profiles, email addys, pics, everything you take with you. I know of no other cobrand that lets you do this.

You got me sold, cobrand requested thanks.

[EscortBiz]

the dating api concept is gold

[Choker]

Originally Posted by cambaby

You got me sold, cobrand requested thanks.

LOL, wasnt trying to sell you but my coder will make another batch tomorrow. In some ways I regret doing cobrands, guys expect results too fast and bitch wehn they don't see upgrades after a mere 25 free joins to their cobrand. This is a long term thing I didnt start seeing joins until i had well over 1000 free joins. The landing pages of my free dating sites do 1:3 free joins from google traffic to put some perspective into it.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

the dating api concept is gold

Yeah it is , too bad you attacked me on this board so many times for no reason, I would be API ing every member to you, escorts sell really good on my dating sites. Especially the 20k sugar daddy's I have. But because of your unprovoked attacks and false accusations against me for no reason whatsoever, you can go fuck yourself. I'll make it a point to find your closest competition and make a deal with them.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Choker

LOL, wasnt trying to sell you but my coder will make another batch tomorrow. In some ways I regret doing cobrands, guys expect results too fast and bitch wehn they don't see upgrades after a mere 25 free joins to their cobrand. This is a long term thing I didnt start seeing joins until i had well over 1000 free joins. The landing pages of my free dating sites do 1:3 free joins from google traffic to put some perspective into it.

Ive been revshare with AFF since 2004-5 so I know about patience lol. I dont think there will be too much knee-jerk purchases from surfers these days so the fast buck is probably not a smart model in our current economic climate. Building a trusting relationship with your "surfers/clients/members" is definitely the way to go these days.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Choker

Yeah it is , too bad you attacked me on this board so many times for no reason, I would be API ing every member to you, escorts sell really good on my dating sites. Especially the 20k sugar daddy's I have. But because of your unprovoked attacks and false accusations against me for no reason whatsoever, you can go fuck yourself. I'll make it a point to find your closest competition and make a deal with them.

business is business nothing personal the issue is myself and so many others had no luck after trying certain traffic, im sure some do well, its ok i have many here who wont do business with me because of what i said on the board, I know the dating niche well and yes the idea is great so congrats on that and happy holidays

[Choker]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

business is business nothing personal the issue is myself and so many others had no luck after trying certain traffic, im sure some do well, its ok i have many here who wont do business with me because of what i said on the board, I know the dating niche well and yes the idea is great so congrats on that and happy holidays

Your right business is business, I take it VERY personally when assholes like you make FALSE accusations against me on a business board that are meant to discredit me and harm my business. I never said shit about you or your business yet you attacked me and made accusations I could have ran to Eric about and gotten you banned. Remember the no proof of cheating your banned rule? So yeah mother fucker it's personal when you make false accusations and try to discredit someones business on a business board. GO fuck yourself. Actually one of your reps approached me about a business deal when I found out he was with you I told him to go fuck himself too. I may be a asshole, know it all, jerk off, but I dont go throwing false accusations meant to harm peoples business for no reason like you and a few others do around here. Karma mother fucker.

[Agent 488]

what were the allegedly false allegations?

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Choker

Your right business is business, I take it VERY personally when assholes like you make FALSE accusations against me on a business board that are meant to discredit me and harm my business. I never said shit about you or your business yet you attacked me and made accusations I could have ran to Eric about and gotten you banned. Remember the no proof of cheating your banned rule? So yeah mother fucker it's personal when you make false accusations and try to discredit someones business on a business board. GO fuck yourself. Actually one of your reps approached me about a business deal when I found out he was with you I told him to go fuck himself too. I may be a asshole, know it all, jerk off, but I dont go throwing false accusations meant to harm peoples business for no reason like you and a few others do around here. Karma mother fucker.

dont remember what I said but it was what I say about almost all traffic brokers and that is the traffic wont convert even if you throw 1000000 hits of theirs on anything involving where user pays, karma nothing its all good, the % of those who renew with traffic brokers is what 1% ? I mean I have little time to get into pissing matches in these days but come on what do you get all excited.

[fatfoo]

Choker has good traffic. I bought from him. That's all I know.

[psili]

There's people saying broker traffic is good, then there's people saying it sucks. And I've never seen a broker of traffic post why they sell their traffic.

If a broker can identify, filter, and redirect traffic on varying identifiers, why sell it? Unless they're keeping what they can convert based on filtered variables and send to the right spots, and sell what they can't to those who think getting shit traffic is a fantastic thing, because it converts at 1:10,000,000.

Am I missing something simple here?

[Agent 488]

yes you are guaranteed $ instead of fucking around with conversions and the whims of a surfer.

Originally Posted by psili

There's people saying broker traffic is good, then there's people saying it sucks. And I've never seen a broker of traffic post why they sell their traffic.

If a broker can identify, filter, and redirect traffic on varying identifiers, why sell it? Unless they're keeping what they can convert based on filtered variables and send to the right spots, and sell what they can't to those who think getting shit traffic is a fantastic thing, because it converts at 1:10,000,000.

Am I missing something simple here?

[NetHorse]

What is a choker? Who is choking who?

[cambaby]

Most broker traffic is not really meant to "convert" although with enough targetting it certainly could, most of it is meant simply to build a site and prop it up enough to get quality hits from other sources. Kind of like download the alexa toolbar to make your site rank higher in alexa to get better trades.

Originally Posted by psili

There's people saying broker traffic is good, then there's people saying it sucks. And I've never seen a broker of traffic post why they sell their traffic.

If a broker can identify, filter, and redirect traffic on varying identifiers, why sell it? Unless they're keeping what they can convert based on filtered variables and send to the right spots, and sell what they can't to those who think getting shit traffic is a fantastic thing, because it converts at 1:10,000,000.

Am I missing something simple here?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Most broker traffic is not really meant to "convert" although with enough targetting it certainly could, most of it is meant simply to build a site and prop it up enough to get quality hits from other sources. Kind of like download the alexa toolbar to make your site rank higher in alexa to get better trades.

I don't really consider myself to be a traffic broker anymore. Traffic brokers "broker" other peoples traffic. 90% of the traffic I sell I generate myself. The explosion of traffic brokers in the last 5 years has resulted in almost all brokers traffic to be watered down garbage shit circle jerk vomit traffic. Some of these guys are selling traffic that gets 15% productivity on a free site whos normal productivity is 200%. But they are selling it all to idiots for up to $4 per k. It's amazing to me how many buyers blindly buy shit garbage traffic and have no tracking in place, no idea how it performs but they buy and buy it. I refuse to sell shitty ass traffic like this. My traffic is 2 to 5 times as productive as most of these brokers traffic. Every broker resells some good traffic, you just gotta weed out the shit domains very very carefully. I know I buy from everyone to feed my sites from time to time. I started out selling just my own traffic and I'm getting back to that now.

Im doing a big push into the gay market right now. The traffic I sell from my gay sites is easy 200 to 400% productivity on free gay sites that buy it.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Choker

I don't really consider myself to be a traffic broker anymore.

Your traffic has always done well for me in whatever Ive needed, especially coming from your own sites.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Choker

It's all good man, what would it matter if I apied them to 100 different sites? Seriously. I mean they have to confirm the account, they have to click on a confirm your account url. Do I feel guilty about my members getting a lot of emails? A little but on the signup page of my free sites they can easily uncheck the send me special offers box. About 15% do uncheck that box, those people never get apied. I am can spam compliant, I'm not breaking the law. I dont go buying email lists and cold emailing people. If a member in my dating site cancels his account the apis stop.

all i would care about is if i got paid for all the conversions that came out of the free auto signups..

if this is the case, there should be no problem...

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Choker

I don't really consider myself to be a traffic broker anymore. Tra.

btw. i lost your icq, please hit me up 1577*137*98

[fryer]

Keep up the innovative ideas!

[Phil]

I heard from my affiliates that his traffic was one of the best.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

all i would care about is if i got paid for all the conversions that came out of the free auto signups..

if this is the case, there should be no problem...

Yeah you get paid for conversions, for every 4 members you send to your cobrand I take 1 of them as payment for hosting your site, approving pics, profiles, support, running the apis,etc etc. You get 100% of the profits of your memebers when they upgrade. I have negotiated higher payouts with most dating sites so that helps offset that 25% payment. I take my payment in a member rather than your members upgrades. Just signup here and we will make you a cobrand http://bigfreedates.com my icq is 116894466

[Choker]

Originally Posted by fryer

Keep up the innovative ideas!

Fryer do your free teaser chats require the surfer to make a account in order to participate in the free chat. I'm guessing you have RSS feeds of online now models we can pull and plug their thumbs in the sites?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Choker

Yeah you get paid for conversions, for every 4 members you send to your cobrand I take 1 of them as payment for hosting your site, approving pics, profiles, support, running the apis,etc etc. You get 100% of the profits of your memebers when they upgrade. I have negotiated higher payouts with most dating sites so that helps offset that 25% payment. I take my payment in a member rather than your members upgrades. Just signup here and we will make you a cobrand http://bigfreedates.com my icq is 116894466

Do the sponsors pay directly (like we would input our account info) or do you handle payments?

[SmokeyTheBear]

i heard choker was the father of sleazydreams 2 headed baby on some internet site, i duno if its true or not but sounds freaky, could there be any truth in this ?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Do the sponsors pay directly (like we would input our account info) or do you handle payments?

I handle all payments, at first I tried making accounts for every cobrand at all the dating sites it was way too much work. Plus under my master accounts I can negotiate better payouts and i have a bigger picture of what dating sites are converting and which ones are not. Working on a system so I can screen shot all sponsor stats once a month so the cobrands can see I'm not ripping them off. I don't want anyone to blindly trust me.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Choker

The quarrel with Sleazy is real. I agreed to stop my attacks as long as he does the same. My finger is on the trigger though, I'm just lurking and waiting for the smallest bit of instigation on his part to let lose on his ass.

just be a bigger man, its a waste of time

[Choker]

Originally Posted by grumpy

just be a bigger man, its a waste of time

I am being the bigger man, I stopped attacking him.

[Roald]

Choker can you drop me an email at roald @t freeones dot com?

Thnx

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Choker

The quarrel with Sleazy is real. I agreed to stop my attacks as long as he does the same. My finger is on the trigger though, I'm just lurking and waiting for the smallest bit of instigation on his part to let lose on his ass.

Peace in Porn Valley, its Xmas after all