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That sucks ass!

JayAllan

So you would make pro (porn) models drive for 4 hours then make them wait 4 hours and then say no, I am not gonna give you anything? Wow, you must get some really great talent then

DirtyDanza

agency girls? oh you mean suitcase pimps... oh ive had my fair share dealing with them and the girls they brainwash....

do the girls pay us kill fee's when they have 10k excuses and are 2 hours late... or how about when they get there and get all demanding and forget they are the employee we are the employer .....

I don't know you so im not knocking you personally I see your point.. but also see mine... not every girl PRO or not PRO is on time bright eyed and bushy tailed ready to suck some cock and make it look good... it can go both ways....

to me it's talent.. I could care less if she has a name or not... I would not pay my mother a fucking kill fee if she drove from memphis to vegas and I sent her home.. shit happends.... again see my post above.. if you shoot content im sure you have dealt with it many times from the talent

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digitaldivas

ok, no need to be a fucking dickhead man

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my ass is sore

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Deej

Danza!!! You shoot anyone lately?!!!!?!?!?!

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nikki99

so fucking true

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judging by the site,i would say ...NOT HOT

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Smokieflame

judging by the site alone I can see why you would have trouble with talent. A producers trouble with his talent should be taken up with the agent booked thru, if its thru an ad you have up well then that's the risk you take with brand new girls even i deal with it. But don't ever think in a million years I give a shit about those issues, if I show up on time, and I am bright eyed and bushy tailed I expect to be treated in that respect I am not the other talent. I am one of the girls who give my best, show up early and if I am not used for a booked shoot I expect my time to be compensated. I could have made well over $150 on my webcam in that 4 hours I wasted...

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digitaldivas

not to knock you at all dirtyd, whateverz clever, especially in this biz, but why the fuck would you talk about women like that, seriously, I never will know. Girls talk, especially in this Biz. They are trying to make it just like everyone else. Who gives a fuck about excuses and all of that. (IF) your a producer and all of that, being late, etc is just part of the biz. And as far as fees, if they live at point a and come to point b to shoot with me and I can't do it for some reason, yes, stand up producers will compensate. Maybe not a buck fiddy, but something.

But the way that a man talks about women speaks volumes about what kind of person that man is. And that goes for the rest of you wannabe motherfuckers and trolls that are parking your fat asses on this thread right now. Lord have mercy. No wonder no one of any substance will ever take you seriously with that shit type of attitude and obvious disdain for women.

...fucking loosers

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Deej

Ill sit right here and say i see both sides.

I will also say. do not confuse DirtyDanza's site with his words. He did not degrade women in this thread. he simply pointed out the other side of the fence with 'talent' whic has a lot of truth to it. Smokie says shes not that girl. We all know they both exist.

Danza is a good guy. Dont knock him without knowing him...

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digitaldivas

oh it's not a personal attack Deej, I wish dirtydanza the best. Just a pet peeve. I see both sides of the fence as well. But if you vouch, i will give him the benefit of the doubt, as your right, I don't know him. Fuck, I don't know you either though

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Smokieflame

just so we are all clear, im not knockin anyone for making there buck, just saying i can see why he would have trouble with talent. Your right some guys only pay $50 but atleast it covers the gas and make up i used. Hell most don't pay for standing me up, wish i could make them but I cant. I only bring this here due to the size of Reality King's, companies like this should be held to higher standards then the rest of the douches out there wasting girls time.

my only point is if your a well financed company you can afford to pay your talent for completely wasting there time, effort, gas, make up... If it was just some job with a no name guy i wouldn't have brought it here at all.

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JaneB

That sucks. If they booked you for a shoot, they should pay you something. Was it actually Reality Kings or someone that freelances for them?

ArsewithClass

This is really bad to hear that companies can treat people like that!


They dont do reality, the bosses obviously have more money than sence to realise that people make that company & using anyone like that gives this business a bad reputation!

Fuck me side ways! I think reality kings are real fucking arseholes doing that to you!

ArsewithClass

I thought the same!

I looked at his site & its definatly a niche of which a few people must like. However, business is business & every girl, whether they get abused on film or not wants respecting & most importantly, paying! What a fucking dickhead!

Deej

I do think you should have been compensated in the instance laid out here...

I just felt you two were confusing his site for his words. Who knows

Me n' Danza disagree on quite a few things, but thats one reason we like each other is that even though we may disagree, we can still discuss it without not liking each other. How did he put it to me once... Im the most respectful person to ever disagree with him.

Another thing about him is he uses GFY to verbally MOsh around! If you knew more about his past here youd understand my first off the wall post about wondering if he shot anyone lately. Its because of the things he tells people here to get a reaction...

He is that wild fucker, but he is also a pretty damn smart business man in and outside of this industry. Not to mention knocks fuckers out in 1:40 flat!

one of the few in my handful of people in this industry I consider a friend.



I also have small experiences with you two as well... I like you both, just havent ever done any business or discuss life in length that Danza and I have.

Perhaps some day

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It was Reality King's Tour team that shoots for Money Talks, a very odd site but I was there to do a b/g with a fetish twist into it of some sort. As far as I am aware this is the only crew that films for the site (i may be wrong) but they had the Website's host with them, they were in the RV from the site... I am 100% sure they aren't freelancing for them.

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ArsewithClass

I do not dislike or like anyone I have never met in person. I appreciate input and dislike rudeness.

From DirtyDanzas comment earlier, I feel that it would be rude to call a lot of models ready for a shoot and fuck them off without pre forcasting this

End of story, RK are naughty asking models to a shoot and then turning them away when the model is most probably fit enough for the shoot. Thats using power, control & domination

weekly

Perhaps its time you learned what professional is. I have been doing this for a fuck of a lot longer than you kid and if I have to cancel talent at the last minute, I pay them a cancellation fee. Its the same in any business. If you wanna be a pimp, that's your choice. You wanna be a photographer, that is a whole other thing.

edit: it take it all back. My bad. I just saw your shit. You are a pimp not a photographer like I thought....carry on bud.

Deej

Oh burn!

Danza = Owned!

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ArsewithClass

I cant believe Dirty Danza thinks that its the model going for the job!


He says "McDonalds pay you a kill fee when they deicide not to hire you?"

No, they dont, because the worker is having an interview! Are you a fucking twat!?

Its the company that is hiring the model for work. The job has already been accepted by both parties once the model is told where to be!

beemk

if your car broke down on the way there and you didnt make it, would you have paid them a $150 kill fee?

btw, you're pretty hot. how much for a private session?

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digitaldivas

most likely will see you sometime at an industry event. I used to go to XBIZ Hollywood, but since I am not in California anymore... But if I am, I am at Sardos Grill and Lounge in Burbank for Pornstar Karaoke or at the Goth/Fetish Clubs in Hollywood. Blah.

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Phoenix or never!!!

I expect to see you there htis year SMOKIEEEEE!

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ArsewithClass

Wouldnt you ring them while they too are on the way?

Barefootsies

While disappointing, and defininately frustrating by the view of 'talent'... In this economy companies can be more picky and do whatever they like.

'Talent' will simply have to deal with it if they want to work. In this type of job market, and with the state of the industry. I bet the treatment will get a lot worse (for some) before it gets better.

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Loch

Jesus you are an idiot, and you dont use agents that is for sure!
IF you did you would know that if you ever get fucked by a model (As in not showing up) you will be compensated in some way.
Hell good agents will even have standbys for you.

I cant believe you admit that you would book a model, waste their whole day, do makeup and everything to just kick them out.

Forget about being a poor businessman, you are just a shitty person man, end of story!

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Smokieflame

Thanks, don't do privates tho.

If their RV broke down and I showed up I would not have been mad that falls under shit happens. Not the case here, the case is BAD planning on their part. They had just got in from San Antonio, were beat and had to be in Vegas tomorrow. Had I been planning there trip they would have went to Vegas from San Antonio, been able to rest and then dropped to AZ and over to LA.

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Smokieflame

Who do I contact about going to it? And when is it exactly? Last year I found out to late. And how much is it?

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ArsewithClass

The companies must remember that the talent can do the same also! Only a few UK models have fucked people around, I do not know any UK based companies that would do this....

Its wrong, plain & simple!

Smokieflame

Here's the tits!!! From the same set as my Avatar too.... That was a FUN shoot, real drifting race car. I need to do another few sets with the car if you ask me.

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Agent 488

a fifth to a quarter to the US population isn't working.

what you or me think is ethical or right means nothing anymore.

those who have the $ make the rules.

Smokieflame

You are absolutely right about the $ and rules part. However, that does not mean if talent and those who drive/own/deal with traffic and anyone else here, that give a shit about standards band together we become a large voice. I am NOT saying lets all bring RK down at ALL! Im just saying we can demand like everyone else to have professional standards out of those who operate in the top 25% of the industry.

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Deej

Its is April 8-10. registration opens in 2 or 3 weeks. Im sure the price is same as before...150 advanced bought. 250 after a certain date and 300 at the door. Talent gets in a lot cheaper, especially if they participate in dodgeball(assuming it goes on this year) or just generally show some titty!

Hope to finally meet up with you fuckers!

Oh and CCbill puts it on, so anyone there for more details... corvett is main man!

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ArsewithClass

Loving your pussy Smokie!


If you wanna see my dick, you shall have to check out some of the previews on Natalies site

Smokieflame

Oh! They are my billing company too so thats EASY!! I will see you there! And fuck showing my tits you guys dont deserve it!! J/K I would be happy to show off and play dodgeball!

Thanks Arse

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ArsewithClass

No problem, sxy face, horny body, nice tits.... What more can I say...


RK are stupid!

ezgirl

Of course we only have your version, but if you went for a look-see, were booked, and showed up and no one called you ahead of time to cancel, you waited around, you should get a kill fee. But why on earth would you hang around for four hours?

I have only paid kill fees a couple times; once when I booked a shoot, knowing I was sick but thinking I could pull it off, and half way through the shoot I had to send everyone home. We negotiated a kill fee based on how much work they had done. Another time I inadvertently booked two male models for the same shoot, I kept one and paid the other full rate. When it is my fault I pay. If something happens, shoot gets canceled for unforeseen circumstances, girl doesn't show, jackhammers show up outside, electric blackout, girl calls in sick at the last minute, etc., I do not pay a kill fee - we all take the loss.

Your remark: "Apparently you don't deal with agency girls to often, we sort of get used to having a kill fee when our time is completely wasted." is interesting. Producers rarely dump shoots. I have the most difficulty with no-shows, drunks, late, no wardrobe, bad attitude, etc. from agency girls. I seldom use agencies. No talent or agency ever paid me a kill fee for their screw-ups. As in any other business personal referrals get the best talent. Most of my girls come from referrals from talent who have already worked with me. But even girls off craigslist are more enthusiastic, on time, reliable and prepared than most agency girls. The two agencies I do use are really on top of things, and I never have those problems from those agencies, both they and their girls are class-acts. With the exception of those two agencies the others are as flaky as their girls. I never re-book a girl who flakes, you should never book again with these people.

About the spelling. There is a built-in spell checker, when a little red line appears under the mis-spelled word that means it is mis-spelled. Right click and a correction appears, click on that. Makes you look professional, and people take you more seriously and don't make fun of you. That way you look as smart as you are pretty.

ArsewithClass

A load of bla bla bla... I really cant be bothered to read it, apart from a spell checker. End of score, you would pay kill fee, why wait for 4 hours. Smokie was told there was a job waiting, when she wasted loads of travel time, there wasnt. Big deal, RK is taking power into their own hands.

Smokieflame

First off, Im pretty, I fuck on film, hell I have awards for fucking on film be glad I can spell as good as I do!

Besides that, I wasn't just sitting around for nothing. Maybe I didn't make that clear. I was sitting with the casting guy they had locally who was cool, with 7 other people and my husband i was doing a scene with. They were taking FOREVER on there first shoot, which was a "stunt" shoot, supposed to take 20 min tops they said (if you look at the site its not all sexual they put men thru pain and weird painful stunts). That shoot had started 45min late, we all were giving them a break and NOT complaining as we knew they just got in from Texas. Then after sitting around from 12pm to 3 the casting guy got a call on his cell, 10 min later he came back frustrated and had to send us all home. They wouldn't even do it them selves. Since they had only seen pics and used a local casting guy the producer and hostess chick had came over and met all of us, there was like 14 people, 4 went home immediately, I knew they would they had no place there at all. I stayed as did 7 others and my hubby, we were told shoots were on for us as planned.

And yes you only hear my side. My side is fact tho, I have nothing to embellish on. I really have 0 need to call out a company the size of RK with false info I'm REAL sure that wouldn't help me out when I am also trying to gain affiliates for my site and program I am working on.

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That sucks ass. Yes they should have been decent enough to pay a "kill fee". I recall doing a shoot ....all was going well female talent was there.....and only two guys showed up.....the producer being professional was going to give us a kill fee for showing up and waiting 3.5 hrs but not shooting but at the last second they convinced one of the behind the lens guys to fill in (lucky he was recently tested as well!!!).

Whoever booked you sounds not like the pros at RK I know. They don?t pull that shit.

But then again this is the reason that "agents", "models" & "producers" should always work in concert together....no fuck ups....kill fees for cancelled shoots and replacement talent for the flakes that are irresponsible.

Smokieflame

HOLY SHIT!!!! More tits!!! heheh, it was SOOOO bright at the beach that day

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ArsewithClass

agreed. Ive had male models not turn up for me. I wasnt going to pay a kill fee so I rock and rolled, changed the script and ended up with a better scene!

Fuck turning people away with nothing

Smokieflame

This time i cant blame the agent (or casting guy as I called him as he isn't my agent), I had answered an ad on CL, I went for a meet/greet in the hopes he wasn't dicking around. However he showed me he was real, took the pics I had sent him (they were better then simple snaps he would have got) and told me he would let me know if I was accepted. And I was called back, I'm sure the casting guy also lost money, he stated he is paid directly by RK from what they shoot while here during there "Road tours" This time it was the producer biting off to much then they could chew and it bit them in the ass and not just me but a group of people were blown off.

However we need a site like GFY directed towards talent, and get it really used like GFY. As this post is much better suited for a site like that, not a site based mainly off webmasters and tech guys.

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Trixie

That argument MIGHT make sense except it's unjustifiable to be paying affiliates $100 a sale (which NastyDollars is doing today if you haven't noticed the thread) while screwing talent out of time/money. Four hours?? That's not just being late or canceling at the last minute, that's just being totally douchey.

Making a sale to RK is easy -- putting on makeup, driving, and then sitting around for four hours? That's a lot harder/more of an investment than sitting at home in your sweats throwing up some galleries knowing that just by using their site names and keywords you'll attract traffic to your site and back to them without even sending them anything new. It converts itself.

Smokie could write a blog entry about how they screwed her, put up a bunch of links, and people would still join because they are good sites -- make your money back like that! Much easier than camming or modeling, that's for sure.

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