This business sucks...

[weekly]

Dirty D thread, and all the others. I remember when everyone was rockin'. Lambos....suites in Vegas.....
Now it's all rip offs and crying the freeking blues. I gotta say this business sucks. Thank God some of us still make money or this board would crash and burn....

[billywatson]

Are you kidding me? There's no money in online porn...never has been.

[neonlights]

how about you make better porn that people would pay for

[TheHatchet]

Originally Posted by neonlights

how about you make better porn that people would pay for

you mean... "how about you make better porn that people will steal"

[neonlights]

no i mean make something real, a good porn. not like rest of fake mediocre shit out there.

do something different. like crazy shit like crying fetish porn. or pornstars-becoming-a-nun fetish. something liek that.

[Zorgman]

Content is not the only part of this business.

There is software, hosting, emails, marketing, SEO.

The reason this business is in the rough is because there are no rules, no body that regulate the sites. Most other industries have these, like builders.
We have nothing to stop us from doing what we want, and that's not a good thing.

[CPimp]

I wouldn't mind making some of the little bit of money that is left out there...

[PornMD]

Damn weekly - over 150 of your 953 posts in your 4+ years of username life have been since Monday...seems more like you're enjoying the biz.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by billywatson

Are you kidding me? There's no money in online porn...never has been.

We make a living. Just waiting to get my pool finished. Just waiting for our first dvd release which should pay for the finishing touches.

[Loch]

Originally Posted by weekly

Dirty D thread, and all the others. I remember when everyone was rockin'. Lambos....suites in Vegas.....
Now it's all rip offs and crying the freeking blues. I gotta say this business sucks. Thank God some of us still make money or this board would crash and burn....

[sicone]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

We make a living. Just waiting to get my pool finished. Just waiting for our first dvd release which should pay for the finishing touches.

Must you post in every thread with some useless bullshit or another. You can't even pick sides in drama. I swear I popped zits with more intelligence then you.

Fuck your pool and your DVD... Congrats you're now 15 yrs behind the times. Wait till you learn about beta max.

And of course this business sucks, let me raise my glass to the fucktards who will wash out this year. My bank says thank you.

[bjlover]

Originally Posted by weekly

Dirty D thread, and all the others. I remember when everyone was rockin'. Lambos....suites in Vegas.....
Now it's all rip offs and crying the freeking blues. I gotta say this business sucks. Thank God some of us still make money or this board would crash and burn....

I remember meeting you about 5-6 years ago at a GFY event in Toronto? Remember that? You was a sad broke old fucker trying to punt some old granny porn site, you looked like a tramp and you had a site and model who made most people at the party laugh and then puke when they saw the model.

Why the change of name Refund?

[Bobbiekey]

yes that lambo 250mph thread was good one. pics from pimp houses. now only crying, im with you

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by sicone

I swear I popped zits with more intelligence then you.

Fuck your pool and your DVD... Congrats you're now 15 yrs behind the times. Wait till you learn about beta max.

[Lassitor]

Originally Posted by BarryTheHatchet

you mean... "how about you make better porn that people will steal"

How about making better websites where the content is not so easy to steal!!!

Use Flash gallery viewers for your photos, and encrypt/obfuscate the flash files so that the resources cannot be extracted.

Use a streaming flash video server such as Red5 (that is free) or smartfoxserver (cheap server) so your videos cannot be so easily stolen.

Watermark your material, slice and dice it, check referring pages so nobody can hotlink your stuff too.

Use GEOIP to block countries where they only steal content but never buy.

It may not be possible to completely make the site theft proof, but you can make it so hard that the casual thief is going to give up. Remember, thief's are lazy people, they are simply looking for the easy pickings.

[StaceyJo]

Very interesting!!

[V_RocKs]

I think we all just grew up is all.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Lassitor

How about making better websites where the content is not so easy to steal!!!

It may not be possible to completely make the site theft proof, but you can make it so hard that the casual thief is going to give up. Remember, thief's are lazy people, they are simply looking for the easy pickings.

man thats all such a huge waste of time and money. every theft prevention tactic (that takes hundreds of hours to invent and implement) is quickly followed by a way to crack it. i know of software or code to crack everything on your list.

porn is the only true capitalism. the wild west of economics.

porn has always led the mainstream 'suit-up' industries by thinking outside the box. porn leaders have always come up with new ways to get consumers to buy -- regardless of the obstacle.

the problem is not tubes, recession, theft, blind upsells, etc. it is that this new group of porn workers is a bunch of crying little pussies that are sad that it isn't easy. there are no leaders anymore. the old guys are all crying about their losses and the new kids are still sucking their thumbs.

have some balls. drink some ginko. connect with your audience. figure out the future and stop crying, you bitches.

[fatfoo]

Yes, this business sucks.

[smutnut]

If it keeps sucking, lots and lots of people will quit and there will be less competition

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by weekly

Dirty D thread, and all the others. I remember when everyone was rockin'. Lambos....suites in Vegas.....
Now it's all rip offs and crying the freeking blues. I gotta say this business sucks. Thank God some of us still make money or this board would crash and burn....

Originally Posted by sicone

And of course this business sucks, let me raise my glass to the fucktards who will wash out this year. My bank says thank you.

[CaptainHowdy]

It sucks and it fucks...

[Zester]

I make more form my mainstream sponsors (one of them in my sig) than in porn

[weekly]

Originally Posted by bjlover

I remember meeting you about 5-6 years ago at a GFY event in Toronto? Remember that? You was a sad broke old fucker trying to punt some old granny porn site, you looked like a tramp and you had a site and model who made most people at the party laugh and then puke when they saw the model.

Why the change of name Refund?

Yeah, I think I remember you. You had to leave early to catch the last bus to Newmarket. Maybe your 96 Camaro broke down. That was probably the smallest collection of lamed asses I have seen in one room in years.

[weekly]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

We make a living. Just waiting to get my pool finished. Just waiting for our first dvd release which should pay for the finishing touches.

So do you inflate it manually, or do you use a bicycle pump?

[b00neRenf]

Originally Posted by plsureking

the problem is not tubes, recession, theft, blind upsells, etc. it is that this new group of porn workers is a bunch of crying little pussies that are sad that it isn't easy. there are no leaders anymore. the old guys are all crying about their losses and the new kids are still sucking their thumbs.

have some balls. drink some ginko. connect with your audience. figure out the future and stop crying, you bitches.

Understandable but with sites like [rather not say] dot com ,why would someone pay for porn on the web. I understand not all niches find these 100% free sites and some pay for new and premium content, but how does the industry turn the table on these 100% free sites without forcing everyone to practically give all content for free, just to get one sale? Figure it out yes ,easier payment options??? , longer trial periods???, no sound unless payment??? theres got to be something to drive free into no longer the best option and I hope to find it but its gonna take alot of people to jump on the train

[weekly]

Originally Posted by b00neRenf

Understandable but with sites like [rather not say] dot com ,why would someone pay for porn on the web. I understand not all niches find these 100% free sites and some pay for new and premium content, but how does the industry turn the table on these 100% free sites without forcing everyone to practically give all content for free, just to get one sale? Figure it out yes ,easier payment options??? , longer trial periods???, no sound unless payment??? theres got to be something to drive free into no longer the best option and I hope to find it but its gonna take alot of people to jump on the train

Load up tube sites with really nasty viruses that pop open dvd drawers and send out your info to website that lists your porn history just after it melts your hard drive. And make it compatible with Mac.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by b00neRenf

Understandable but with sites like [rather not say] dot com ,why would someone pay for porn on the web. I understand not all niches find these 100% free sites and some pay for new and premium content, but how does the industry turn the table on these 100% free sites without forcing everyone to practically give all content for free, just to get one sale? Figure it out yes ,easier payment options??? , longer trial periods???, no sound unless payment??? theres got to be something to drive free into no longer the best option and I hope to find it but its gonna take alot of people to jump on the train

i've thought for years that porn sites are priced way too high. but pricing caters to studio egos (and those lambo payments mentioned earlier) so you can't touch them.

meanwhile i pay $5.95 a month to be a member of tomgreen.com and will let that rebill forever, even tho i log in maybe every few months - and his live shows are free. the subscription is affordable and i'm a fan. in a world of free TV he found a way to get people to pay him to produce an entertaining tv show from his living room. he found a profitable future for broadcast entertainment while the major studios take heavy losses.

i dont have the answers but i'm optimistic. every hurdle this industry has faced has been overcome. it will be interesting to see who rises above the bitching and whining and becomes the next generation of industry leaders. right now there is no leaders, only crying executives and site owners. even the guys i thought were leaders (Vivid, Hustler, Penthouse) are all bitching about piracy rather than focusing forward.

just like the world pre-Obama, this industry needs leadership too.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Zester

I make more form my mainstream sponsors (one of them in my sig) than in porn

I can't believe people make more money in mainstream.

Except with those types of sites telling people how to make money in mainstream... That I can believe

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Just waiting for our first dvd release which should pay for the finishing touches.

Nice one.

The future of porn is DVDs.

Everyone knows that. You will surely make enough to finish your pool.

Good on ya!

[b00neRenf]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Nice one.

The future of porn is DVDs.

Everyone knows that. You will surely make enough to finish your pool.

Good on ya!

DVD'S really , with the overwhelming amount of storage capacity with say google and others why DVD's they just collect dust .PC to flat screen point click done all storage via Internet. How about adult porn storage collection 1 download store in database for eternity access your library anywhere any time fuck DVD

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by b00neRenf

DVD'S really , with the overwhelming amount of storage capacity with say google and others why DVD's they just collect dust .PC to flat screen point click done all storage via Internet. How about adult porn storage collection 1 download store in database for eternity access your library anywhere any time fuck DVD

No man, you don't have a fucking clue, buddy. Gary who runs ArseWithClass is a genius. If he, after MANY YEARS in the biz is about to release his first DVD, then it is the future, I promise you.

Check out his brilliant www.arsewithclass.com site. Cutting edge? Nah, bleeding edge baby. You should promote his programme, his hot 'n' horny wife Natalie and him are real pros making good living from porn.

You are just a hater with a small willy.

ARSEWITHCLASS FTW!!!1111

[b00neRenf]

Ok you win I'm not a hater just discussion dude and small willy thanks for noticing you fuck turd you always end your posts with degrating someone your right btw

[Naechy]

Realy suck

[DWB]

Originally Posted by plsureking

man thats all such a huge waste of time and money. every theft prevention tactic (that takes hundreds of hours to invent and implement) is quickly followed by a way to crack it. i know of software or code to crack everything on your list.

So keep on doing nothing about it and lets meet back in 4 years and see where you stand.

I know several guys who have done exactly that to protect their content and guess what, their sales have gone UP because you can hardly find their content ANYWHERE for free. They put in the work and it's paid off, while most of you say it will never work and guys will crack it, blah, blah, and do nothing at all. I've seen it with my own eyes, it's working.

Sure, someone will make something to crack what they have done. Then they have to fix that and so on and so forth. That is evolution. Some of the software companies are doing it now and it's becoming harder and harder to steal their shit. Good for them, it's working. Then someone will figure it out and they will fix that in the next release. That's just the nature of the beast.

Or, you do nothing and you'll be out of business sooner or later, while those who do protect their content will still be around. It's not about pointing fingers or saying this person is stupid, it's about you deciding how long you're going to be in this business. If it's for the long run, you had better find a way to somewhat protect your content. Even if it's not perfect, it's a start that WILL evolve into something else and sooner or later you will regain control of your content.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Nice one.

The future of porn is DVDs.

Everyone knows that. You will surely make enough to finish your pool.

Good on ya!

There is still money to be made in the DVD market for those who know how to totally maximize their content (broadcast as one example). It's not like it was 8 years ago, or even 2 years ago, but there is still PROFIT to be made, and that's all that matters. Profit is profit, be it $5000 or $500, I'm going to take it.

With that said, once you're content goes to DVD you can kiss any idea of protecting it for the web good-bye. It will be ripped and passed around the net within 2 days. So you need to choose what your long term goal is. I personally stopped releasing DVDs, not because of the money, I was still making a good profit, but because I'm moving into a protected content system for all my new sites and to release a DVD of the same content would be counter productive for my long term goals. Yea, it sucks to not have that extra money, but I believe long term I'm making the right decision. Only time will tell.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

So keep on doing nothing about it and lets meet back in 4 years and see where you stand.

i am very impressed that you know everything

[Nysus]

"This business sucks..."

I agree.

vvvvvvv

[HandballJim]

Originally Posted by Lassitor

How about making better websites where the content is not so easy to steal!!!

Use Flash gallery viewers for your photos, and encrypt/obfuscate the flash files so that the resources cannot be extracted.

Use a streaming flash video server such as Red5 (that is free) or smartfoxserver (cheap server) so your videos cannot be so easily stolen.

Watermark your material, slice and dice it, check referring pages so nobody can hotlink your stuff too.

Use GEOIP to block countries where they only steal content but never buy.

It may not be possible to completely make the site theft proof, but you can make it so hard that the casual thief is going to give up. Remember, thief's are lazy people, they are simply looking for the easy pickings.

This makes a lot of sense......I wonder why some of the big programs don't take a couple of million and hire some MIT guys to make some protection software.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by plsureking

i am very impressed that you know everything

somebody has to know everything, why not dwb?

[weekly]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

somebody has to know everything, why not dwb?

Nahhh. he doesn't know everything, Rob Content does.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I know several guys who have done exactly that to protect their content and guess what, their sales have gone UP because you can hardly find their content ANYWHERE for free. They put in the work and it's paid off, while most of you say it will never work and guys will crack it, blah, blah, and do nothing at all. I've seen it with my own eyes, it's working.

Myself included.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Myself included.

Me 2 soon. I'm niching It out yoooo. No strange things! :P

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by b00neRenf

why would someone pay for porn on the web. I understand not all niches find these 100% free sites and some pay for new and premium content

Many still pay for porn.

My members and clip store buyers do.
Robbie's still do for his site(s).
Many niche providers, who know their niche and shoot quality content for their members will always be able to sell. Quality is niche specific. It has nothing to do with the HD or any of that horse shit.

The point being, you have the have content that buyers want. You then have to deliver it in a method they prefer, want, and will pay for. Hence tube pay sites, mobile, and clip stores among many other ways evolving.

Most I have seen are still working the old pay site models, tours, and dangling carrot. A member can't see the member's area and content. When they sign up, they are insulted with these 50-100 scenes pay sites that update never or once a week/month. NO ONE is going to pay $30.00 a month for that shit any more.

You need to have good niche content and update it. Members today want more interaction, and better delivery method. The tube pay site is that vehicle. Here is a prime example....

1. They can see the whole members area before they buy.
2. They can sample pieces of the clips. Even if 30 seconds.
3. They can stream it. They can download it.
4. Multiple formats. iPod, WMV, MP4, mobile.
5. They can easily see you are updating or not.

So if you have some decent content, and doing your updates, the content sells itself.

[weekly]

My members and clip store buyers do.

Mine do. You know when the going gets tough...the wheels start spinning.