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SwirlsGirl · 12-29-2009, 11:55 AM

Greetings friends, just wanted to share a repeated observation regarding ccbill vs. other processors.

I will just present the data and let others chime in.

sunday- ccbill join form hits total 19
submission pecentage 42%
(8 sign ups ccbill only) non ccbill processors sign ups-zero

monday- ccbill join form hits total 22
submission percentage 4.5%
(1 sign up ccbill only) ** Had 4 additional sign ups by non ccbill processors**

tuesday- ccbill join form hits so far 8 (1:00 pm est.)
submission percentage 37.5%
(3 sign ups ccbill only) non ccbill processors zero sign ups

What I have observed on many occasions over the years is a very predictable pattern.
There are days where ccbill sales are solid one day, then the very next day ccbill sales drop to almost nothing!

However back up processors who are normally flat have a flurry of activity on that very day where ccbill drops to nothing!

Also during this flurry of activity join form hits stay very high for ccbill...

Then the day after ccbill goes flat, CCbill returns to solid sales and secondary processors return to being flat.

I have watched this many times and wonder if others have noticed a similar trend.

Normally when you post a thread regarding inconsistencies, a rep from ccbill will ask for your account # to investigate, and they always say nothing wrong.

I don't think this is evidence to prove anything malicious but it is a bit disappointing to see this over and over, and have the same public relations script read to other webmasters who have seen this regarding scrubbing.

My own analysis tells me that on certain undetermined days, they fully turn up the scrub dial. Love to hear other thoughts.

12-29-2009, 01:16 PM

you need like 100x more signups to see a pattern I guess

2MuchMark · 12-29-2009, 01:47 PM

You don't have nearly enough data to back up what you think you are seeing. If you had 100,000 hits to that page a day and 50,000 sign ups a day you still would not have enough data. All other factors including your source of traffic, the ability of your customers to join (credit cards, funds available etc), and the INTEREST from your customers to join would all have to be known and be equal before you could even begin to see a pattern, and then properly act on it. If you make a drastic move based on the info you have provided so far you would only be guessing on what you think is happening, and not on what is actually happening.

Playboy-Deak · 12-29-2009, 02:22 PM

This is a REAL thread!
SwirlsGirls, thanks for confirming my internal thoughts I've been having over the past few months. I've also been noticing this same identical pattern... And likewise: Sunday was a good day for me... But the following monday was horrible...
I don't have 100x signsups daily but I believe numerous webmasters noticing the same pattern cause for concern...
Actually, I did my own lil ol investigation and entered my Credit Card info onto my signups page and my card got declined. Well, it's a good card with funds on it. Same card they wire me my dough with. I did some research and read that some banks blacklists CCBill? Kinda confusing...

What I'm gonna do is get a secondary CC processor. Need to pickup sales when CCBill drops them... Swirls, how do I go about doing that?

SwirlsGirl · 12-29-2009, 02:46 PM

Thank you playboy for confirming what I already knew! I know you don't need 1000 sign ups a day or 50,000 form hits to see a pattern like this! Any webmaster who monitors their stats is well within their right to observe a bizarre pattern and post about it.

I have observed this for years. I have always felt like we could do better with someone like netbilling who allows you to set your own scrubbing, however getting set up with a company like that is difficult unless you have 20,000 a month in sales.

I remember them telling me a while back to get your ccbill sales up to 20,000 a month and we can do business! I was like If ccbill didn't scrub so hard and decline so much maybe I could get my ccbill sales up! Go Figure

The reason I posted the percentage numbers is because if you analyze stuff like that then the stats pretty much let the cat out of the bag. 42% submissions one day, next day 4% submissions on same traffic while other processors have a flurry of signups and ccbill is null.

Then next day ccbill submission % is back to where it normally is, while other backup processors are flat.

I have also read similar threads over the years and the outcome is the same someone, comes in from ccbill asks for your id# and assures you that they would never do anything to reject sales.

So if its not intentional then it could be a glitch. Whatever it is it is a real phenomenon that many have observed.

Beerbar · 12-29-2009, 02:58 PM

42% submissions one day, next day 4% submissions on same traffic

Wow, it is not only me! I've pinged ccbill a few time over the last two months about this exact same issue.

SwirlsGirl · 12-29-2009, 03:05 PM

I am sure you have Beerbar, and let me guess you are being verbally assured that there is nothing wrong here all systems go!

I know somethings are pointless to pursue but at least coming to GFY you can feel comfortable knowing that you are not alone and others are experiencing the same nonsense!

Thus that was the main point of the post, to get an idea of how many are seeing this trend

Naechy · 12-29-2009, 04:23 PM

No no at all

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 12-29-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

You don't have nearly enough data to back up what you think you are seeing. If you had 100,000 hits to that page a day and 50,000 sign ups a day you still would not have enough data.

50,000 signups/day or over 18 million signups/year isn't enough to spot a trend? How many do you need?

TMM_John · 12-29-2009, 06:21 PM

Get some NATS and take control of your transactions and your business

andrej_NDC · 12-29-2009, 08:13 PM

You can't live without cascading these days...there are days like you mention, those days you will see a lot more sales on your backup billers. Thats the only thing you can really do. And you can set up cascading easily within your ccbill admin...to segpay, epoch or any other biller you add manually.

Dennis69 · 12-29-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

If you had 100,000 hits to that page a day and 50,000 sign ups a day you still would not have enough data.

Ok I'll bite... so how much traffic do you need daily?

corvette · 12-29-2009, 08:45 PM

hi swirlsgirl, if you want us to run a test let me know, id be happy to run a test with my own card right now from my house, just as a consumer would, to test the experience...and i would have the analysis people at ccbill look it over as well with their own tests of course

let me know if you are interested, [email protected]/45471840

Playboy-Deak · 12-29-2009, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

You can't live without cascading these days...there are days like you mention, those days you will see a lot more sales on your backup billers. Thats the only thing you can really do. And you can set up cascading easily within your ccbill admin...to segpay, epoch or any other biller you add manually.

Thx for that tidbit of info... I've heard the phrase 'cascading' thrown around for some years...

Playboy-Deak · 01-02-2010, 10:15 PM

Swirls, Im jus curious to know. How were your Saturday 1-2-10 sales?
Im asking cuz my sales were decent for this day...

DBS.US · 01-02-2010, 10:27 PM

There are all fucking you

SwirlsGirl · 01-02-2010, 10:40 PM

Playboy Deak my sales for today (saturday) were the best they have been all week! Go figure!

Major (Tom) · 01-02-2010, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMM_John

Get some NATS and take control of your transactions and your business

True words..
Duke

Brujah · 01-08-2010, 05:52 AM

ccbill 8 + non 0
ccbill scrubbed less, nothing for non to pick up?

ccbill 1 + non 4
ccbill scrubbed harder that day, but non picked them?

SRT8 · 01-08-2010, 06:08 AM

ccbill needs that iraqi general right now as their spokesman. nothing is wrong everything you think is happening or an issue is just your imagination no worries people keep the traffic flowing.

biskoppen · 01-08-2010, 06:10 AM

Way too little data

biskoppen · 01-08-2010, 06:11 AM

When we had low sales we saw the same patterns all the time (just ask Corvette ;)) .. with a high daily volume the pattern gets pretty stabile.. even the so called xmas slowdown that sponsors with a shave option tells you about does not happen

SRT8 · 01-08-2010, 06:14 AM

never not possible everyone in adult is a straight shooter.

Playboy-Deak · 01-08-2010, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRT8

ccbill needs that iraqi general right now as their spokesman. nothing is wrong everything you think is happening or an issue is just your imagination no worries people keep the traffic flowing.

LMFAO!!! I

I kno the dude u talkin bout!

Playboy-Deak · 01-20-2010, 05:08 PM

Hows this week going?

RegUser · 01-20-2010, 05:49 PM

something is indeed going on with ccbill for past three days. I too am noticing a 66% drop in new subscriptions. And yes they do have those days when everyone gets in....and those when NO ONE comes close...noooooooooooooooo booooooooooody

hawkadu · 01-20-2010, 06:48 PM

ccbill is sucking way way way bad for me in last 10 days.. One week 1:1900 consistently. Another week with 1.5 times more traffic and 1:9100. CCBill is weird for sure.

Dirty Dane · 01-20-2010, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

You don't have nearly enough data to back up what you think you are seeing. If you had 100,000 hits to that page a day and 50,000 sign ups a day you still would not have enough data. All other factors including your source of traffic, the ability of your customers to join (credit cards, funds available etc), and the INTEREST from your customers to join would all have to be known and be equal before you could even begin to see a pattern, and then properly act on it. If you make a drastic move based on the info you have provided so far you would only be guessing on what you think is happening, and not on what is actually happening.

60 to 100 signups per day should be sufficient (minimum) to analyze with quite good confidence. At least statisticians would tell you so.

mmcfadden · 01-20-2010, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

60 to 100 signups per day should be sufficient (minimum) to analyze with quite good confidence. At least statisticians would tell you so.

That's fantastc. You send your homies with all those sales and this thread can determine.

I've noticed massive declines the past 10 days and will get secondary processing up asap.

Playboy-Deak · 01-20-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

I've noticed massive declines the past 10 days and will get secondary processing up asap.

Tell me bout it!!!

tonyparra · 01-20-2010, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Playboy-Deak

Tell me bout it!!!

yeah i been trying to join freakydeak.com forever i think im just gonna mail you a money order

12-29-2009, 11:55 AM	#1
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	anyone notice similar pattern with ccbill past 3 days? Greetings friends, just wanted to share a repeated observation regarding ccbill vs. other processors. I will just present the data and let others chime in. sunday- ccbill join form hits total 19 submission pecentage 42% (8 sign ups ccbill only) non ccbill processors sign ups-zero monday- ccbill join form hits total 22 submission percentage 4.5% (1 sign up ccbill only) Had 4 additional sign ups by non ccbill processors tuesday- ccbill join form hits so far 8 (1:00 pm est.) submission percentage 37.5% (3 sign ups ccbill only) non ccbill processors zero sign ups What I have observed on many occasions over the years is a very predictable pattern. There are days where ccbill sales are solid one day, then the very next day ccbill sales drop to almost nothing! However back up processors who are normally flat have a flurry of activity on that very day where ccbill drops to nothing! Also during this flurry of activity join form hits stay very high for ccbill... Then the day after ccbill goes flat, CCbill returns to solid sales and secondary processors return to being flat. I have watched this many times and wonder if others have noticed a similar trend. Normally when you post a thread regarding inconsistencies, a rep from ccbill will ask for your account # to investigate, and they always say nothing wrong. I don't think this is evidence to prove anything malicious but it is a bit disappointing to see this over and over, and have the same public relations script read to other webmasters who have seen this regarding scrubbing. My own analysis tells me that on certain undetermined days, they fully turn up the scrub dial. Love to hear other thoughts.

12-29-2009, 01:47 PM	#3
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 49,439	You don't have nearly enough data to back up what you think you are seeing. If you had 100,000 hits to that page a day and 50,000 sign ups a day you still would not have enough data. All other factors including your source of traffic, the ability of your customers to join (credit cards, funds available etc), and the INTEREST from your customers to join would all have to be known and be equal before you could even begin to see a pattern, and then properly act on it. If you make a drastic move based on the info you have provided so far you would only be guessing on what you think is happening, and not on what is actually happening. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

12-29-2009, 02:22 PM	#4
Playboy-Deak Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 354	This is a REAL thread! SwirlsGirls, thanks for confirming my internal thoughts I've been having over the past few months. I've also been noticing this same identical pattern... And likewise: Sunday was a good day for me... But the following monday was horrible... I don't have 100x signsups daily but I believe numerous webmasters noticing the same pattern cause for concern... Actually, I did my own lil ol investigation and entered my Credit Card info onto my signups page and my card got declined. Well, it's a good card with funds on it. Same card they wire me my dough with. I did some research and read that some banks blacklists CCBill? Kinda confusing... What I'm gonna do is get a secondary CC processor. Need to pickup sales when CCBill drops them... Swirls, how do I go about doing that? __________________ Black Hoes Pussy -Deak: King of Black Amateur Porn!

12-29-2009, 04:23 PM	#8
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12-29-2009, 06:21 PM	#10
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12-29-2009, 01:16 PM	#2
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	you need like 100x more signups to see a pattern I guess

12-29-2009, 02:46 PM	#5
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Thank you playboy for confirming what I already knew! I know you don't need 1000 sign ups a day or 50,000 form hits to see a pattern like this! Any webmaster who monitors their stats is well within their right to observe a bizarre pattern and post about it. I have observed this for years. I have always felt like we could do better with someone like netbilling who allows you to set your own scrubbing, however getting set up with a company like that is difficult unless you have 20,000 a month in sales. I remember them telling me a while back to get your ccbill sales up to 20,000 a month and we can do business! I was like If ccbill didn't scrub so hard and decline so much maybe I could get my ccbill sales up! Go Figure The reason I posted the percentage numbers is because if you analyze stuff like that then the stats pretty much let the cat out of the bag. 42% submissions one day, next day 4% submissions on same traffic while other processors have a flurry of signups and ccbill is null. Then next day ccbill submission % is back to where it normally is, while other backup processors are flat. I have also read similar threads over the years and the outcome is the same someone, comes in from ccbill asks for your id# and assures you that they would never do anything to reject sales. So if its not intentional then it could be a glitch. Whatever it is it is a real phenomenon that many have observed.

12-29-2009, 02:58 PM	#6
Beerbar Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 145	42% submissions one day, next day 4% submissions on same traffic Wow, it is not only me! I've pinged ccbill a few time over the last two months about this exact same issue.

12-29-2009, 03:05 PM	#7
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	I am sure you have Beerbar, and let me guess you are being verbally assured that there is nothing wrong here all systems go! I know somethings are pointless to pursue but at least coming to GFY you can feel comfortable knowing that you are not alone and others are experiencing the same nonsense! Thus that was the main point of the post, to get an idea of how many are seeing this trend

12-29-2009, 08:13 PM	#11
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	You can't live without cascading these days...there are days like you mention, those days you will see a lot more sales on your backup billers. Thats the only thing you can really do. And you can set up cascading easily within your ccbill admin...to segpay, epoch or any other biller you add manually.

12-29-2009, 08:45 PM	#13
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	hi swirlsgirl, if you want us to run a test let me know, id be happy to run a test with my own card right now from my house, just as a consumer would, to test the experience...and i would have the analysis people at ccbill look it over as well with their own tests of course let me know if you are interested, [email protected]/45471840 __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP Last edited by corvette; 12-29-2009 at 08:46 PM..

01-02-2010, 10:15 PM	#15
Playboy-Deak Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 354	Swirls, Im jus curious to know. How were your Saturday 1-2-10 sales? Im asking cuz my sales were decent for this day... __________________ Black Hoes Pussy -Deak: King of Black Amateur Porn!

01-02-2010, 10:27 PM	#16
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01-02-2010, 10:40 PM	#17
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Playboy Deak my sales for today (saturday) were the best they have been all week! Go figure!

01-08-2010, 05:52 AM	#19
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	ccbill 8 + non 0 ccbill scrubbed less, nothing for non to pick up? ccbill 1 + non 4 ccbill scrubbed harder that day, but non picked them? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

01-08-2010, 06:08 AM	#20
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	ccbill needs that iraqi general right now as their spokesman. nothing is wrong everything you think is happening or an issue is just your imagination no worries people keep the traffic flowing.

01-08-2010, 06:10 AM	#21
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	Way too little data

01-08-2010, 06:11 AM	#22
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	When we had low sales we saw the same patterns all the time (just ask Corvette ;)) .. with a high daily volume the pattern gets pretty stabile.. even the so called xmas slowdown that sponsors with a shave option tells you about does not happen

01-08-2010, 06:14 AM	#23
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	never not possible everyone in adult is a straight shooter.

01-20-2010, 05:08 PM	#25
Playboy-Deak Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 354	Hows this week going? __________________ Black Hoes Pussy -Deak: King of Black Amateur Porn!

01-20-2010, 05:49 PM	#26
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	something is indeed going on with ccbill for past three days. I too am noticing a 66% drop in new subscriptions. And yes they do have those days when everyone gets in....and those when NO ONE comes close...noooooooooooooooo booooooooooody

01-20-2010, 06:48 PM	#27
hawkadu Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 276	ccbill is sucking way way way bad for me in last 10 days.. One week 1:1900 consistently. Another week with 1.5 times more traffic and 1:9100. CCBill is weird for sure.