Liondollars still in biz

[faxxaff]

I was trying to get hold of liondollars support (Z), but no answer. Anybody knows if they are still active and who to get in touch with?

[faxxaff]

Any news from Liondollars?
I want my payout

[candyflip]

Curious Toy Boy has a history of not paying people.

[Lace]

gfy search?

[pocketkangaroo]

Yeah, they seem to have had issues with paying people based on other threads.

[SomeCreep]

whooooooooooooooooooo??

[baddog]

I would change my links yesterday.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Curious Toy Boy has a history of not paying people.

Another 600 bucks down the toilet. This makes it over 12k US$ in non-paying programs for me in the past 12 months. Funny thing, all of them use NATS .... haha, very shave free affiliate software.

[Quagmire]

lyin' dollars?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Another 600 bucks down the toilet. This makes it over 12k US$ in non-paying programs for me in the past 12 months. Funny thing, all of them use NATS .... haha, very shave free affiliate software.

They don't need to shave if they are not sending out checks anyway.

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Another 600 bucks down the toilet. This makes it over 12k US$ in non-paying programs for me in the past 12 months. Funny thing, all of them use NATS .... haha, very shave free affiliate software.

That would be like blaming the programmer who did the amazon backend for amazon not paying you your affiliate checks.

[willwank]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

all of them use NATS .... haha, very shave free affiliate software.

Everything is shave'able, everything.

Originally Posted by baddog

They don't need to shave if they are not sending out checks anyway.

[LeRoy]

Sorry to hear that Faxxaff.

Some programs are going downhill

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

That would be like blaming the programmer who did the amazon backend for amazon not paying you your affiliate checks.

I am not saying NATS is bad per se, but a tool that creates a lot of damage if put in the wrong hands like those fraudulent programs who do not intent to pay their affiliates or those who do Xsale scams .... imagine the nuclear bomb in the hands of terrorists .... see what I mean?!

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

Sorry to hear that Faxxaff.

Some programs are going downhill

Thanks for your love :-)
One would think they could at least make a statement like 'sorry guys, we have a problem and are out of biz'. Insetad they keep on stealing ....

[Sosa]

that program was fucked a long time ago

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Another 600 bucks down the toilet. This makes it over 12k US$ in non-paying programs for me in the past 12 months. Funny thing, all of them use NATS .... haha, very shave free affiliate software.

NATS just generates that stats, they don't cut the checks. Blame the program, not the software.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Thanks for your love :-)
One would think they could at least make a statement like 'sorry guys, we have a problem and are out of biz'. Insetad they keep on stealing ....

To add to my previous post, sorry to hear you got fucked. From what I understand all their pay site urls have been redirecting for months, or at least that's what I remember people posting about a few months back. Run a search for Lion Dollars.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Another 600 bucks down the toilet. This makes it over 12k US$ in non-paying programs for me in the past 12 months. Funny thing, all of them use NATS .... haha, very shave free affiliate software.

Liondollars used NATS? News to me, they must owe me a few bucks too then!

Who are the other programs?

You thinking everyone, even those who don't, uses NATS must mean we do a pretty good job marketing wise, but please don't start blaming things without knowing things.

Anyone in this biz can fuck you over no matter who or what they use if they want to. Know and trust who you do business with.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

Liondollars used NATS? News to me, they must owe me a few bucks too then!

Who are the other programs?

You thinking everyone, even those who don't, uses NATS must mean we do a pretty good job marketing wise, but please don't start blaming things without knowing things.

Anyone in this biz can fuck you over no matter who or what they use if they want to. Know and trust who you do business with.

I apologize if I thought Liondollars was using NATS. However, I can tell you tons of other programs who use NATS and who either stopped to pay or never intended to make payments to affiliates like missiondollars.com, gringogreen.com and digitaldope.com to mention just three. Maybe you should have thought about this when you created the program: make sure affiliates are paid to keep license running. Just a funny idea of mine.

You are right in saying NATS is a great piece of technology and I agree. But if put in the wrong hands, it's a powerful tool for fraud. Not blaming you. I am also not blaming Oppenheimer for creating the Nuclear bomb, but the weapon killed Millions.

If I decide to promote programs via CCBIll or Epoch, I am certain to get my funds before the programs get their share. With Nats sponors, there is at least a 20% loss to be factored in as far as my experience tells.

[epitome]

TMM John, can you hit me up? I've got a question...

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Thanks!

[Pics Traffic]

lion dollars dont use nats. and they owe me couple hundred as fell. why is it always fat fucks like Pete KT and Boy Toy that screw me over.

[nicedreams]

I said they CuriousToyBoy wasn't paying over a year ago. Should have stopped sending traffic then.

Jimmy

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by nicedreams

I said they CuriousToyBoy wasn't paying over a year ago. Should have stopped sending traffic then.

Jimmy

Thanks for the info. I guess than it's official: The money is lost :-(

[dav3]

[maccsta]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Curious Toy Boy has a history of not paying people.

He is normally a top guy if you get in touch personally. He sorted my payment out within 24 hours no problems no stress.

[dyna mo]

that's odd, their sites are still active.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I apologize if I thought Liondollars was using NATS. However, I can tell you tons of other programs who use NATS and who either stopped to pay or never intended to make payments to affiliates like missiondollars.com, gringogreen.com and digitaldope.com to mention just three. Maybe you should have thought about this when you created the program: make sure affiliates are paid to keep license running. Just a funny idea of mine.

You are right in saying NATS is a great piece of technology and I agree. But if put in the wrong hands, it's a powerful tool for fraud. Not blaming you. I am also not blaming Oppenheimer for creating the Nuclear bomb, but the weapon killed Millions.

If I decide to promote programs via CCBIll or Epoch, I am certain to get my funds before the programs get their share. With Nats sponors, there is at least a 20% loss to be factored in as far as my experience tells.

I think you're making things up again with the "20% loss". No where near 20% of NATS programs have had the issues you speak of. Its a very small %. CCBill / Epoch programs can go out of business or screw you over in other ways also. Perhaps you should be blaming apache as I'd be more of the programs that have gone out of business run apache than NATS!

Your idea may be "funny", but its not quite as simple as you'd like to imagine it to be.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

I think you're making things up again with the "20% loss". No where near 20% of NATS programs have had the issues you speak of. Its a very small %. CCBill / Epoch programs can go out of business or screw you over in other ways also. Perhaps you should be blaming apache as I'd be more of the programs that have gone out of business run apache than NATS!

Your idea may be "funny", but its not quite as simple as you'd like to imagine it to be.

I am very hesitant to promote any more programs that do pay directly and that are anonymous. How can I find out who purchased the script - I guess that would be the party to take legal action against.

For example Gringogreen.com ... NATS based sponsor. Does not pay and owes me several thousand Dollars. They alone owe me more than 3% of my yearly revenue. Will you provide me with the name and address of the legal entity or person who owns the license?

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I am very hesitant to promote any more programs that do pay directly and that are anonymous. How can I find out who purchased the script - I guess that would be the party to take legal action against.

For example Gringogreen.com ... NATS based sponsor. Does not pay and owes me several thousand Dollars. They alone owe me more than 3% of my yearly revenue. Will you provide me with the name and address of the legal entity or person who owns the license?

If you're filing a lawsuit and you request the information through the proper channels. I'm sure you can understand we can't just give out information to anyone who asks. Just like we can't go and shut down or take action against any NATS user based on someone simply making a claim to us.

I myself wouldn't promote any program that tried to operate anonymously. Even if they're using CCBill they can screw you over. Blind trust in anything is a bad idea, you should know who you do business with. I never understood people who think they can do business behind privacy enabled domain registrations and providing no contact information, etc. Things like that should send up huge warning signals (yes signals?!).

I understand your frustration, but you really shouldn't be laying it on NATS. NATS is a software package. MPA3 is a software package, Executive Stats is a software package, lots of people run custom backends. It seems what you're comfortable doing is putting all of your eggs in the CCBill basket. Putting all of your eggs in one basket is just as much a bad idea as putting blind faith in anything. Lots of people thought this way about iBill years ago. Spread your interests around and knowing and trust who you do business with.

At the end of the day, NATS is a software product not unlike apache or mysql. NATS users run it on their servers, own their database, and operate it themselves. It is not a "hosted service" like CCBill's affiliate program. If you're wondering why we don't do something about them not paying you, you have to also remember that they are also still processing. Most likely through one of the processors you keep saying you trust so much. Have you approached them as to why they don't take action against the person? They are the ones who are actually processing the transactions that you are not being paid on.

Also, as a side note, the name a NATS license is registered to can always be viewed by visiting /license.php on their NATS install.

I'm also happy to pass on a communication from you to whatever e-mail address we have on file for a NATS client. You can email it to me at albright/toomuchmedia/com

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

I understand your frustration, but you really shouldn't be laying it on NATS. NATS is a software package. MPA3 is a software package, Executive Stats is a software package, lots of people run custom backends. It seems what you're comfortable doing is putting all of your eggs in the CCBill basket. Putting all of your eggs in one basket is just as much a bad idea as putting blind faith in anything. Lots of people thought this way about iBill years ago. Spread your interests around and knowing and trust who you do business with.

...

Also, as a side note, the name a NATS license is registered to can always be viewed by visiting /license.php on their NATS install.

Thanks for your love and help. That /license.php helps a bit :-)

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

Anyone in this biz can fuck you over no matter who or what they use if they want to. Know and trust who you do business with.

and know and trust who keeps getting your master admin user/pass and logging into your system no matter how many times you change it or complain.