uno

I read somewhere that the GOP was excited for the bloodbath they were sure would ensue. The only problem was it wound up being their blood.

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I agree he is responding not only to the bad press he has been getting, but his falling poll numbers as well. A lot of people are not happy with him and he is reacting. John Stewart really hammered the democrats the other day. After Brown won in Mass. he went off about how the democrats are acting like that was doomsday and they can now not get anything done. He said, "When brown takes office that will leave you with an 18 seat majority. That is more than Bush ever had when he did whatever the fuck he wanted!"

The main problem with the democrats is that they are spineless. Maybe Obama's new direction will change that. Maybe not. If they don't grow a spine soon they are in trouble later this year.

uno

Fox News helping to organize and promote 'tea parties' was pretty hilarious too.

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Vendzilla

So you think he didn't know the camera was there? And you think the news organizations are not a problem for Obama's agenda?

Maybe you should have read that I watch HLN and MSNBC as well, yes I saw the GOP meeting. Sometimes C-Span when the president allows it
Him owning ther GOP is your opinion, I saw a president laying blame on someone else now that he has to deal with the GOP for the first time. Before the Mass election, he wouldn't have gone there. Thats bad leadership

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dyna mo

i'm concerned.

about vendzilla, that is.

Vendzilla

Thanx for your concern, I'll be ok! LOL


http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bil..._asm_comm.html

for california

hr45 for the federal, though I don't think it will go anywhere

The rest is my opinion, nothing more

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think about that

Vendzilla

I hope he does change his direction, maybe too late for the democrats in the senate and house, but if he sits over a GOP house and senate, that worked very well for Clinton's approval rating because things got done

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think about that

theking

I am sorry Vendzilla... you may watch several different news outlets but you most often post the Fox News talking head's spin...almost verbatim. I too watch different news media...CNN...MSNBC...BBC...Fox News...and Cspan. MSNBC and Fox News are the same show with the talking heads of each...being of a different political bias. The talking heads on both shows spin to the point that most of what they are saying is basically not true.

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uno

What does knowledge of cameras and the media there have to do with anything? He simply and plainly told the dems to stop paying attention to what insta pundits, analysts, partisan hacks, knee jerk reactionaries, etc were saying and to get in touch with what their constituents actually want. How you perceive it differently is, frankly, a bit strange.

As for the second question, I thought no one in the MSM dares criticize Our Dear Leader?

Are news organizations detrimental to his agenda? Sometimes. The news people generally have trouble presenting nuance over soundbites. He's dealing with complex problems that have complex solutions and complex explanations that most people don't have the attention span or curiosity for. Obama generally does not speak in easily digestible, made for mass-consumption catch phrases and its to his disadvantage that you can't fit his statements on a bumper sticker.

You should give that whole Obama/GOP video a watch if you haven't already.

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Beaver Bob

The OP lost all credibility by posting Fox News Propogranda..

i.e. not a real news organization, but a political organization pushing a conservative agenda and trying to pass it off as "fair and balanced".

Newsflash to all the morons buying this bullshit, OBAMA WAS TALKING TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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I'm not a fan of Obama, not by a long stretch. I will say that what he is saying, DIRECTED AT POLITICIANS, is good. If their primary sources of political information are those news channels, they are failures. Why? Because that makes them no more well-versed in what's going on and the status of the country than the average American, and they're LEADING OUR COUNTRY. Plus as he indicated, politicians anymore are focused on how a decision/vote they make will affect themselves vs. how it will help the people. Perhaps if they actually went out and spoke with people, they might feel a connection and want to try and help them. Otherwise, like on the news, their constituents are merely numbers and statistics. They're constantly connected to businesses and industries through the massive money shoved into their pockets by them - what about average joe trying to survive right now?

The only thing that makes me nervous about what he says is that apparently in his mind, he thinks he is doing what he has been doing for the good of the people - ignoring the economy more or less to try and get this health care bill passed. I don't care if that bill is good or not - it's not the biggest problem we are facing, but for some reason it's been almost the entire focus of his presidency in the last several months.

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Tom_PM

Well, I like cspan mostly as well, because there's no bias at all happening until you flip back to any one of the other stations, any single one of them just goes ape to fling poop at each other.

The best thing Obama has said recently was that even *IF* any republicans today WANTED to change their minds even slightly, they will be seen as traitors by their own constituents! Thats a result of trying to paint obama like the anti-christ. They've left themselves no wiggle room at this point.

Thats just not a good place to be at.

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BFT3K

I get all of the information I need from the Weekly World News...

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The Demon

Not sure how valid this is, seeing as how Obama has given the Republicans all the wiggle room in the world. I myself am a Republican but I wanted Obama to succeed because this nation has to succeed. All of the moronic Dems and Republicans who want each other to fail so they can be seen as the saviors, are morons. It's not Obama being a Democract, it's Obama sucking at his job worse than Bush. And all the Democrats can do is sit there and make excuses using double standards. "Well it's all Bush's fault anyways". No no it's not, Obama did far more damage in the past year than Bush did in 8. Yes, Bush started it and most of us objective Republicans never argue this point, or that he fucked up more than he was successful. But to sit there and support this jackass as he tears apart our economy, is just blind bias.

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nation-x

Since you obviously didn't read what he said I edited your post so that maybe his point will sink in... but I have my doubts.

dyna mo

obama is right, you know that right?

turn off your televisions.

nation-x

Umm... wtf are you talking about?

The Demon

Just what I said?

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dyna mo

well, certainly you would agree that damage must be measured. while i agree obama is an idiot, along with all the other idiots inside the beltway, re: the massive debt he's created, it's not an impossible hole for us to dig ourselves out of.


we've done before.


so damage is yet to be determined really.

The Demon

When have we done it before on this scale exactly? No, not the Great Depression. And I applaud your optimism but this is just what most Americans think, and it's really blind optimism. Simply stating we can get out of a hole because we have done so before, doesn't mean we're going to again, or that we're capable anymore. We've been spending poorly for 30 years and Obama has just WTFPwned the national debt and budget deficit. There's no way to get out of the hole unless we start slowly reducing our debts. We can't slowly reduce our debts unless we either:

A. Devalue the dollar and bankrupt this country just to reduce our trade deficit
B. Get rid of unions and start up manufacturing on a post WWII level.

B would be the most logical choice but even that's far from possible at this point. I know it's pessimism but we did it to ourselves and we can't really undo this, so we will have to experience an economy collapse whether in our lifetime, or our children will experience it in theirs. It's not a question of if at this point, but when.

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dyna mo

i don't disagree with any of this. for me, i have to get busy. i feel like i have to work 2x as hard these days to make up for the government's failures and failure to function. i expect nothing from them.

i believe that if most people who are able to work will do this, MAYBE it will work.



oh and it's my understanding that the economic conditions immediately following WWII had the same percentages. jobless, debt to gdp ratio etc.

dyna mo

well, i was close, the debt to gdp ratio in 1950 was 94%, now and going forward, it's

2009 (est.) 12,867.5 90.4 8,531.4 59.9
2010 (est.) 14,456.3 98.1 9,881.9 67.1
2011 (est.) 15,673.9 101.0 10,873.1 70.1
2012 (est.) 16,565.7 100.6 11,468.4 69.6
2013 (est.) 17,440.2 99.7 12,027.1 68.7
2014 (est.) 18,350.0 99.8 12,594.8 68.5

dyna mo

yup, that's 101% in 2011

nation-x

ok... but you only made the assertion and made no actual statement as to how he did what you are asserting that he did.

nation-x

That is where you are wrong... he didn't create the debt. Bush did... you had better get your facts straight. Yes... he added $1T to the debt... all of the rest was from his predecessors.

nation-x

Bzzzz... wrong. He already had a $1.3 Trillion budget deficit when he took office and the debt was already nearly $10 Trillion... so exactly how does he suddenly have responsibility for creating it? He doesn't... you are just repeating bullshit you heard from some other idiot.

dyna mo

relax. he's created 1.4 trillion in debt with the current budget, get current and stop trying to play internet gotcha guy.

The Demon

You must be retarded.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/...t-in-pictures/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-pr..._b_169475.html


So my question to you is, are you living in reality where your hero is massacring this country, or in reality according to you, where you have to make up your own bullshit to justify what's going on.

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The Demon

hahahahaha

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The Demon

Immediately following WWII? Maybe a year or two after but Post WWII America enjoyed prosperity unmatched in human history. That was the apex of this country. We were on and off the gold standard, we were the world's largest creditor, our trade surplus was through the roof, etc..

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dyna mo

for the uninformed:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...182/story.html

The Demon

QFT... He's really gone crazy with the deficit spending.

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dyna mo

?

the debt ratio was comparable through 1950, etc.

either way, the point is, i don't see why we can't recover. it's same during every down cycle, people cannot see out. but we always seem to get out. granted, this one is insane but nevertheless, it's not impossible.

The Demon

We can't recover because we aren't a manufacturing economy anymore. We used to have a huge trade surplus precisely because we manufactured more than we imported, and saved more than we spent. We outsource everything now. So you're right, it's very possible but it would take years, if not decades.

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Loryn

BAM!!!

Get them the fuck out of our lives...they should not be in our health care, our businesses AT ALL... they are so fucked up on both sides it's unbelievable they can't run themselves let alone us...we are better off without them...they should concentrate on making sure we are safe and let us run our country.

The exceutive branch should not be thinking of what laws would work for the whole country, that should be up to the individual states. Not all states have the same problems so trying to come up with one give all soluation is only going to fuck us more...

Not one human has gained better economic status from a government...let us work for us...

There are other answers to problems beside GOVERNMENT...why does everyone in this society always think the answer is government involvement...open your eyes other answers are all around...government is not one of them. If they backed off, we would do a lot better, the more they are involved the worse our lives are going to become. Bush was too involved didn't help us, Obama is more involved than Bush and we are sinking even faster. You can't deny this...it is all around us....

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The Demon

No offense but I would trust a few educated individuals a hell of a lot more than the majority of moronic Americans. What you posted was a bunch of nonsensical, immature ranting. While I'm not advocating government expansion, your "let us run our own country" rant has no basis. We elect our officials. The problem would be with the morons living in this country who elect jackasses, not the jackasses themselves.

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