Obama proposes $1.6 trillion deficit, blames Bush

[cykoe6]

Remember how all the Obamabots told us that the record $1.3 trillion deficit in 2009 was all Bush's fault (despite the fact that he had left office). Well now Obama's 2010 budget proposal has a $1.6 trillion budget deficit. I guess Bush is more powerful then we could have possibly imagined to still be running things at this point.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60U1PZ20100131


In its budget proposal to be released on Monday, the White House predicts a record $1.6 trillion budget deficit for the fiscal year that ends September 30, the Capitol Hill source said.

According to the estimate, deficits will narrow to $700 billion by fiscal 2013 before gradually rising back to $1.0 trillion by the end of the decade, the source said.

President Barack Obama will seek to strike a balance between reducing the deficit over the long term and stimulating the economy in the short term to ease the pain of double-digit unemployment.

Criticized by Republicans as a big spender, Obama used his State of the Union address last week to tell Americans he would dig the country out of a "massive fiscal hole."

That hole is even deeper than previously believed, according to the estimate by the White House's Office of Management and Budget.

The estimate for the current fiscal year is significantly higher than the $1.35 trillion figure forecast by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office last week.

Despite the difference, both estimates indicate that the deficit will continue to hover at a level not seen since World War Two, when measured as a percentage of the economy. Last year the government posted a $1.4 trillion deficit.

[Hank_Heartland]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Remember how all the Obamabots told us that the record $1.3 trillion deficit in 2009 was all Bush's fault (despite the fact that he had left office). Well now Obama's 2010 budget proposal has a $1.6 trillion budget deficit. I guess Bush is more powerful then we could have possibly imagined to still be running things at this point.

Whatever

[seeandsee]

wow jez lots of deficit who pays that lol ?!?

[TheDoc]

Didn't Bush eat through a surplus and cooked the books on the monthly war costs too, oh and the war lies itself - people killed over lies, and well we could keep going..?

Bush's lies and cons almost killed our Country.... hell you damn near need to give Obama a pat on the back for just making it through the last year, let alone starting to turn us around too.

[12clicks]

the rabble will blame bush until their lord and savior is voted out of office.

Then they'll blame that on him too.

[Les Grossman]

Keep blaming Bush.

This is the problem with blacks, they can never take responsibility for their own actions. Never. Always blaming someone else. Obama will blame Bush until he is voted out of office in 3 years. Then the next person in will put the blame on Obama.

[DaddyHalbucks]

All this blame on Bush.. but no mention of a few decades of crazy spending, mostly on social programs, by a mostly Democratic Congress? The real villains are getting away!

[TheDoc]

So, none of you have actually listened to Obama speak?

I heard Obama take responsibility on many things - I also understand he isn't responsible for everything!

You guys aren't listening to what "he is actually saying" but you do listen to what others tell you he said.

Maybe you guys are to busy being focused on hate?

[TheDoc]

No sheep what to come out and play today?

[Sausage]

Yep all Bush's fault. In a year it will still be Bush's fault .. its always Bush's fault. Nothing is ever Obama's fault

[Les Grossman]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

So, none of you have actually listened to Obama speak?

I heard Obama take responsibility on many things - I also understand he isn't responsible for everything!

You guys aren't listening to what "he is actually saying" but you do listen to what others tell you he said.

Maybe you guys are to busy being focused on hate?

What did he say was his fault? I only keep hearing him say, "I inherited..."

Saying, "the buck stops with me" isn't really a catch-all for taking blame.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

So, none of you have actually listened to Obama speak?

I heard Obama take responsibility on many things - I also understand he isn't responsible for everything!

You guys aren't listening to what "he is actually saying" but you do listen to what others tell you he said.

Maybe you guys are to busy being focused on hate?

all he does is say things.

its his actions that are killing the country.
in this economy he should be cutting taxes and spending. he's doing neither.
and please don't tell me about his phantom capital gains cuts for small businesses. that would just prove your lack of knowledge to speak intelligently on the subject.

[gleem]

I don't think Bush or Obama were/are fit to lead the country, more specifically their cabinets. Only a politician can say "I want to reduce the deficit and freeze spending , it's one of my top priorities" (source) and then a week later lay down a giant spending spree of what is projected to be almost 4 Trillion dollars (source).


Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors for the sheeple.

one more term like this pres is having and I'd give 50/50 odds on independents starting to win house & senate seats, the people are realizing dems/repubes are one in the same.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

all he does is say things.

its his actions that are killing the country.
in this economy he should be cutting taxes and spending. he's doing neither.
and please don't tell me about his phantom capital gains cuts for small businesses. that would just prove your lack of knowledge to speak intelligently on the subject.

His actions? What action has he done that has killed our Country?

He has cut taxes... If you cut spending in the time of a recession/depression you deepen the problem. This is proven history, repeated across many countries, if you want to argue with it, argue with history.

He has made several small tax cuts, but he has also said he can't just cut taxes and expect to pay anything off. He said a balance is needed - which is clearly logical thinking.



I'm waiting for you to actually show you have listened to a damn thing he has said, so you can actually argue his points TODAY and not from a year ago when he came into office.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Les Grossman

What did he say was his fault? I only keep hearing him say, "I inherited..."

Saying, "the buck stops with me" isn't really a catch-all for taking blame.

Check out the video of Obama talking to the GOP... this is just one of many videos that he takes blame on things and lays out many 'issues' across all sides. Personally, I don't see how the man can take any blame, but I understand that he must or people like you wont leave it alone.

If you think he is blaming Bush - you haven't been listening to shit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_442331.html

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gleem

I don't think Bush or Obama were/are fit to lead the country, more specifically their cabinets. Only a politician can say "I want to reduce the deficit and freeze spending , it's one of my top priorities" (source) and then a week later lay down a giant spending spree of what is projected to be almost 4 Trillion dollars (source).


Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors for the sheeple.

one more term like this pres is having and I'd give 50/50 odds on independents starting to win house & senate seats, the people are realizing dems/repubes are one in the same.

He didn't suggest a spending freeze, today......


Quoted from the article:
"The freeze would take effect with the 2011 fiscal year starting Oct. 1, and wouldn't affect the $787 billion economic stimulus plan already being implemented, the officials said.

It also wouldn't affect a 154 billion jobs plan pending before Congress and backed by Obama, the officials said. One aide said that plan would be exempt because it would take effect this year, before the freeze.

Administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to not upstage the president, said that the three-year freeze would save $250 billion over a decade ? if it's approved by an election-year Congress.

After three years, the total spent would be the lowest as a percentage of the total economy in 50 years. Spending on those agencies has increased by an average of 5 percent a year since 1993, the officials said."


Dang, not bad after 3 years... looks like Obama - within reason - is freezing spending. Of course knowing that a total freeze would gridlock our Country.

[Sausage]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

all he does is say things.

its his actions that are killing the country.
in this economy he should be cutting taxes and spending. he's doing neither.
and please don't tell me about his phantom capital gains cuts for small businesses. that would just prove your lack of knowledge to speak intelligently on the subject.

Please dont feed the monkeys.

Keep them in the cage. They are only good at fighting over the bananas anyhow.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

His actions? What action has he done that has killed our Country?

He has cut taxes... If you cut spending in the time of a recession/depression you deepen the problem. This is proven history, repeated across many countries, if you want to argue with it, argue with history.

He has made several small tax cuts, but he has also said he can't just cut taxes and expect to pay anything off. He said a balance is needed - which is clearly logical thinking.



I'm waiting for you to actually show you have listened to a damn thing he has said, so you can actually argue his points TODAY and not from a year ago when he came into office.

you're incorrect on all counts.
all he's done is propose spending. spending money we don't have. deepening our debt makes the economy weaker. taxing businesses and business owners hurts employees and the economy.
let me dumb it down for you.
OBAMA IS SPENDING VASTLY MORE THAN WE HAVE.
that is wrong.
The people know it because they've all lived thru the consequences of doing it themselves.
you can prattle on about it but continuing to spend more than we have is a recipe for disaster, not a brilliant stimulus plan from your lord and savior.

[Tom_PM]

Man wipes cum out of eyes, blames Bush.

Who cares. Just go about your day.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He didn't suggest a spending freeze, today......


Quoted from the article:
"The freeze would take effect with the 2011 fiscal year starting Oct. 1, and wouldn't affect the $787 billion economic stimulus plan already being implemented, the officials said.

It also wouldn't affect a 154 billion jobs plan pending before Congress and backed by Obama, the officials said. One aide said that plan would be exempt because it would take effect this year, before the freeze.

Administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to not upstage the president, said that the three-year freeze would save $250 billion over a decade ? if it's approved by an election-year Congress.

After three years, the total spent would be the lowest as a percentage of the total economy in 50 years. Spending on those agencies has increased by an average of 5 percent a year since 1993, the officials said."


Dang, not bad after 3 years... looks like Obama - within reason - is freezing spending. Of course knowing that a total freeze would gridlock our Country.

you'd have a clue if you knew he increased that spending 60% in the last year.
now idiots see the shiny penny of a spending freeze as proof of your lord's intelligence.
yes, he's intelligent enough to gull idiots into not realizing his 3 year "freeze" is actually a 60% increase.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

you're incorrect on all counts.
all he's done is propose spending. spending money we don't have. deepening our debt makes the economy weaker. taxing businesses and business owners hurts employees and the economy.
let me dumb it down for you.
OBAMA IS SPENDING VASTLY MORE THAN WE HAVE.
that is wrong.
The people know it because they've all lived thru the consequences of doing it themselves.
you can prattle on about it but continuing to spend more than we have is a recipe for disaster, not a brilliant stimulus plan from your lord and savior.

He has corrected the books, to show you the spending that was already happening. That's how an honest business works.

Sure, taxing companies more right now hurts the eco - but he hasn't taxed them more.

Obama is spending... at least he is spending a huge part of it within the Country.

I'm just following history, what got us out of the depression and out of every recession. Truly, I don't want to do anything other than what is proven to work, we don't need any Texas cowboys back in office doing crap that kills us.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

All this blame on Bush.. but no mention of a few decades of crazy spending, mostly on social programs, by a mostly Democratic Congress? The real villains are getting away!

What about current crazy spending..

They gave GM another 3 Billion not long ago.. WHY??????

I heard them say on the news 750 BILLION has been given as bail out and they need more..
Had they give that money to the people they would not need more..

Divide 750 BILLION by 360 million

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

you'd have a clue if you knew he increased that spending 60% in the last year.
now idiots see the shiny penny of a spending freeze as proof of your lord's intelligence.
yes, he's intelligent enough to gull idiots into not realizing his 3 year "freeze" is actually a 60% increase.

He didn't increase spending 60% (I'm sure some areas did increase).... but overall he corrected the books to show what was actually being spent, already... (ie last year, he didn't create the all the spending, someone else did)

Now the idiots think he increased spending.

[brassmonkey]

war bullshit cost and occupying almost every damn place in the world

[gleem]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He didn't suggest a spending freeze, today......


Quoted from the article:
"The freeze would take effect with the 2011 fiscal year starting Oct. 1, and wouldn't affect the $787 billion economic stimulus plan already being implemented, the officials said.

It also wouldn't affect a 154 billion jobs plan pending before Congress and backed by Obama, the officials said. One aide said that plan would be exempt because it would take effect this year, before the freeze.

Administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to not upstage the president, said that the three-year freeze would save $250 billion over a decade ? if it's approved by an election-year Congress.

After three years, the total spent would be the lowest as a percentage of the total economy in 50 years. Spending on those agencies has increased by an average of 5 percent a year since 1993, the officials said."


Dang, not bad after 3 years... looks like Obama - within reason - is freezing spending. Of course knowing that a total freeze would gridlock our Country.

He did propose a spending freeze exactly 1 week ago, as a trick to then increase spending in the meantime... old politicians trick knowing his fat cats wouldn't do it anyways.

He's just as bad as bush and you are as bad as any "bushee" was, love watching all the anti-bush people act like old bushee's defending their guy with the same ridiculous logic the bushees used.

The only way he's helping create jobs is by hiring more people to work in his bloated govt' and then create new segments of gov' to hire even more people, and apply that on a state and local govt levels for the win.

[12clicks]

doc, go jerk yourself off.
your kind will never learn and this link isn't to educate you, you're not bright enough for that, this is for everyone else who might be close to falling for the idiocy you believe in.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123353276749137485.html

"The New Deal is widely perceived to have ended the Great Depression, and this has led many to support a "new" New Deal to address the current crisis. But the facts do not support the perception that FDR's policies shortened the Depression, or that similar policies will pull our nation out of its current economic downturn..........."


so much for what you know about history

[BFT3K]

Thank God Bush and his corrupt and bankrupt administration is out!

If you think another 4 more years of what was happening before Obama got in would be better, then you are FUCKING STUPID ASSES!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

doc, go jerk yourself off.
your kind will never learn and this link isn't to educate you, you're not bright enough for that, this is for everyone else who might be close to falling for the idiocy you believe in.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123353276749137485.html

"The New Deal is widely perceived to have ended the Great Depression, and this has led many to support a "new" New Deal to address the current crisis. But the facts do not support the perception that FDR's policies shortened the Depression, or that similar policies will pull our nation out of its current economic downturn..........."


so much for what you know about history

What a lack of knowledge you have.... the New Deal wasn't about 'spending' ya idiot, the recovery act that damaged us had nothing to do with spending at all - did you even read the article?

What pulled us out of the Great Depression was war, the gov funded that war ie: spending to create the war machine, which created jobs, which boosted our product out put, and the cycle started.

Please.... please, please... if you're going to argue with me, at least pretend to have a clue.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gleem

He did propose a spending freeze exactly 1 week ago, as a trick to then increase spending in the meantime... old politicians trick knowing his fat cats wouldn't do it anyways.

He didn't say stop spending today... if you listened to any part of what was said, it would be impossible to confuse this.

If you take your news from GFY, it's easy to confuse it.

Originally Posted by gleem

The only way he's helping create jobs is by hiring more people to work in his bloated govt' and then create new segments of gov' to hire even more people, and apply that on a state and local govt levels for the win.

He has 'taken' many great ideas on building jobs and looked them over, the plan he has started to show appears to be solid.

REbuild from within - I think most Americans can get behind the idea at least.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by pornguy

What about current crazy spending..

They gave GM another 3 Billion not long ago.. WHY??????

I heard them say on the news 750 BILLION has been given as bail out and they need more..
Had they give that money to the people they would not need more..

Divide 750 BILLION by 360 million

I know it's easy to forget things, but the bailout for that was authorized and set aside under another President. It's not extra spending - it's money already set aside for this.

"In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries."

[gleem]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He didn't say stop spending today... if you listened to any part of what was said, it would be impossible to confuse this.

If you take your news from GFY, it's easy to confuse it.

GFY is the last place I take my news from, my point wasn't that he said freeze spending now, the point was how he made a big deal to release several stories on him freezing spending (none of the headlines said when on purpose) as a feeble attempt to hide huge increases over the next couple years as a necessary evil to freeze spending later (frozen at ridiculously high levels LOL!) Then when it comes time to freeze the spending, he will do it all over again.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He has 'taken' many great ideas on building jobs and looked them over, the plan he has started to show appears to be solid.

REbuild from within - I think most Americans can get behind the idea at least.

After the bureaucrats and others in federal local and state govt' are done "planning" on how to spend the money to create new jobs, we'd be lucky if 70% is left after paying for this "planning" then add into it fraud and usual bullshit contracts and govt' being idiots on spending money and maybe 30 cents on the dollar will go to paying any wages and creating any jobs.

He'd be better off just giving us back our money already... you paid $20k in federal taxes over the last 3 years, you get a $20k check.. you don't think biz's would hire the fuck out of employees if they had all their tax money back, and every tax paying american had his tax wad back they wouldn't be buying up cars and consumables again?

Obviously that will never happen even though it makes more sense, an even lesser version of just "forgiving" taxes for 2010 and no one pays any would have more impact than any of his BS job creating plans like the high speed rail to no where here in florida.

[_Richard_]

reminds me of the three envelopes!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gleem

GFY is the last place I take my news from, my point wasn't that he said freeze spending now, the point was how he made a big deal to release several stories on him freezing spending (none of the headlines said when on purpose) as a feeble attempt to hide huge increases over the next couple years as a necessary evil to freeze spending later (frozen at ridiculously high levels LOL!) Then when it comes time to freeze the spending, he will do it all over again.

Again, if you simply listened to him, you couldn't have possibly confused his meaning, when he said 2011.

Originally Posted by gleem

After the bureaucrats and others in federal local and state govt' are done "planning" on how to spend the money to create new jobs, we'd be lucky if 70% is left after paying for this "planning" then add into it fraud and usual bullshit contracts and govt' being idiots on spending money and maybe 30 cents on the dollar will go to paying any wages and creating any jobs.

He'd be better off just giving us back our money already... you paid $20k in federal taxes over the last 3 years, you get a $20k check.. you don't think biz's would hire the fuck out of employees if they had all their tax money back, and every tax paying american had his tax wad back they wouldn't be buying up cars and consumables again?

Obviously that will never happen even though it makes more sense, an even lesser version of just "forgiving" taxes for 2010 and no one pays any would have more impact than any of his BS job creating plans like the high speed rail to no where here in florida.

You can't cut taxes to nothing and pay anything off... it's impossible.

The railway idea, you start local, you don't go across the Country at first (talk about spending) and this without question will create jobs and income for states, the fed, tax revenue, etc.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Didn't Bush eat through a surplus and cooked the books on the monthly war costs too, oh and the war lies itself - people killed over lies, and well we could keep going..?

Bush's lies and cons almost killed our Country.... hell you damn near need to give Obama a pat on the back for just making it through the last year, let alone starting to turn us around too.

Typical Obamabot blather........ Bush lied and people died........ and as a result we need to socialize healthcare and run massive trillion dollar deficits or else.......... the terrorists (Bush, Cheney, Rove etc.) will have won.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Typical Obamabot blather........ Bush lied and people died........ and as a result we need to socialize healthcare and run massive trillion dollar deficits or else.......... the terrorists (Bush, Cheney, Rove etc.) will have won.

Did you have a point other than trolling?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Don't forget the "phantom cap-n-trade revues" he is counting in the budget.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-83075057.html

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Did you have a point other than trolling?

Ummmmmmm.......... perhaps I was too subtle for you?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Ummmmmmm.......... perhaps I was too subtle for you?

No, you didn't have a point... I think you were attempting to relate areas of politics that don't relate, but you failed.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

No, you didn't have a point... I think you were attempting to relate areas of politics that don't relate, but you failed.

I believe that my primary mistake was assuming you can read or think coherently. If you could then you would have noticed that I quite adequately pointed out the obvious logical fallacy contained in your argument that since you are opposed to Bush's policies (blood for oil, etc.) that somehow everyone else must uncritically accept Obama's policies. Your position is obviously absurd so I thought making light of it to be the best approach. Unfortunately I seem to have overestimated your ability to understand simple concepts or ideas. Please accept my heartfelt apologies.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I believe that my primary mistake was assuming you can read or think coherently. If you could then you would have noticed that I quite adequately pointed out the obvious logical fallacy contained in your argument that since you are opposed to Bush's policies (blood for oil, etc.) that somehow everyone else must uncritically accept Obama's policies. Your position is obviously absurd so I thought making light of it to be the best approach. Unfortunately I seem to have overestimated your ability to understand simple concepts or ideas. Please accept my heartfelt apologies.

Accept his policies? You can't even name them.

The difference is... Bush's policies DID hurt America, we can clearly see that.

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Typical Obamabot blather........ Bush lied and people died........ and as a result we need to socialize healthcare and run massive trillion dollar deficits or else.......... the terrorists (Bush, Cheney, Rove etc.) will have won.

Ok, I will play your stupid game...

Bush's lies and his war crimes, have nothing to do with healthcare or anything related to Obama's spending. And the terrorists?


In general, your statement was fucking stupid, this is the only answer that is logical.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Ok, I will play your stupid game...

Bush's lies and his war crimes, have nothing to do with healthcare or anything related to Obama's spending. And the terrorists?

Ok I see now. You really are a fucking idiot....... I thought you were just trying to obfuscate the issues and avoid the crux of the argument but it turns out you are just very very confused.

[ezgirl]

Yep, and he needs a teleprompter to do it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Ok I see now. You really are a fucking idiot....... I thought you were just trying to obfuscate the issues and avoid the crux of the argument but it turns out you are just very very confused.

You didn't post any issues, you made up a stupid statement with no substance to argue.

It's not like you're trying to argue your point either, it's not like you could.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

Yep, and he needs a teleprompter to do it.

Yes, people that speak in public use teleprompters, like every president that could, has done... just think, Bush was reading from one and still screwed it up.


If you want to see Obama in action without a teleprompter, then check out his ownage of the GOP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_442331.html

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You didn't post any issues, you made up a stupid statement with no substance to argue.

It's not like you're trying to argue your point either, it's not like you could.

I already tried to simplify the rather obvious point in my first post with another post. Alas I believe there is no way I could simplify it to the point that you could understand. Regardless at this point I must disengage from this conversation as I am concerned that your idiocy might be contagious. Best of luck to you.

[2MuchMark]

Bush did it.
See you at Xbix!

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Don't forget the "phantom cap-n-trade revues" he is counting in the budget.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-83075057.html

This will be ignored by the obama rabble

[DWB]

People who love Obama are taken by him. He does no wrong in their eyes. I've found it totally useless to debate anything regarding Obama with an Obama lover.

He is the 2nd coming of Christ who does no wrong and will spend the country out of recession, while creating millions of new jobs, get the banks lending again, lower taxes, stop every war in the world, close gitmo, put an end to the Patriot Act, win peace prizes while sending troops to war, give every negro his 40 acres and a mule, and will put an end to global warming, AIDS, cancer and David Hasselhoff, all while not needing his teleprompter.

Truth is, it doesn't matter. He has plenty of time to fuck up or kick ass. All he has to do is make everyone love him and trust him again, make up some good lies, promise shit he can never deliver, just in time to get re-elected. The sheep will forget about everything else.

[2MuchMark]

He's NOT the 2nd coming of Christ. He's just a smart guy who seems to have vision, and who isn't a walking, talking joke like Dubya.

[BFT3K]

FUCK YOU - YOU ANTI-AMERICAN ASSHOLES!

SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT, OR LEAVE THE COUNTRY!

(sound familiar?)