Can some Trades hijack the affiliate sales? - GoFuckYourself.com

armus · 02-17-2010, 12:56 PM

I am curious about if some traders can hijack the affiliate sales because one of my site sales just stopped after i have added several trades.

fatfoo · 02-17-2010, 01:06 PM

You should link to your sponsor through your appropriate linking code, such as example.com?affid=armus, or something like that.

As long as you link to your sponsor through your appropriate code, I don't see how someone else can hijack your sales.

What I'm saying is, "No, Traders can't hijack your sales."

But, what can happen is that you can start trading with sites that have very poor quality traffic. What can happen is that your traders can trade you their crappy traffic for your good traffic. In this case, you are left with crappy traffic on your site. Crappy traffic = less conversions. So, be careful who you trade with. You don't want to trade with traders that will send you crappy low-quality trafffic or hitbots or fake traffic.

st0ned · 02-17-2010, 03:08 PM

Trading generally brings lower quality traffic than say the search engines would. My opinion is that Google brings your "Bounce Rate" into their algorithm. So, say your trades bring you 60% of your traffic and 90% of those visitors leave within the first 30 seconds, Google will likely rank you lower than you had been before. This is purely an example, but might be something to look at. Personally I have always preferred minimal SE traffic over lots of traded traffic considering it converts 100x better.

armus · 02-17-2010, 04:23 PM

what about framed and probably hidden framed traffic sending? lets say A site links to my B site and when a surfer click B from A, A opened under a frame of B and that visitor bounced visitor, come trough again A and went to a pay site from A's affiliate link, that B site somehow can not add its cookie for this affiliate, that is impoosible is not it?

st0ned · 02-17-2010, 04:27 PM

I had thought about mentioning cookie stuffing as well. It seems more people are doing it these days. They could be stuffing a cookie on the surfers comp, then the surfer visits your site, sees more material then decides they want to signup. If they avoid clicking your link then the cookie stuffer would get credit I imagine.

I have always wondered if affiliate A's cookie is stored, then the surfer visits the site again through affiliate B's link, who gets the credit? If it is based off of the most recent cookie then I don't believe your trades could be cookie stuffing to take your sales.

Of course this is all based off of assumptions, I can't say 100%. But as mentioned in my earlier example, if you were getting good Google traffic before your trades compare stats and see if that has dropped. If so, I imagine you found your problem.

armus · 02-18-2010, 09:12 AM

yes my site A start to get over 1k google 's good keyword traffic and start to make 1,2 sales a day then i started cj trades, and after 2 days it cut like a knife since a week, however site A trading sites are much more SE ranking tubes, it should not be a result of the trades but i am looking for another possiblities if there might be kind of a 0px frames possible to create cookies on the affiliated links of site A

armus · 02-18-2010, 09:26 AM

by the way the hit counts are still at the same ratios even a bit better, maybe a bad luck at the past week

easyBob · 02-18-2010, 10:09 AM

It's very possible that some site could be running a script that could take your sales...

If a user clicks on the link to your site (site B) from site A, site A could simply use a php script to load and parse your pages. While the url will still show site A url, the user would see your site, only the links would be changed to whatever site A wanted them to be. I don't think it would be possible to make the url look like it's on any other site other than the site you are on.

It could easily detect a linkcode to a sponsor it uses, change the href, and be done with it. It wouldn't matter if you linked to FHGs or hosted your own galleries either...if it sees a sponser link, it can change it. Doubt users would care either. Sponsors and affiliates would though.

It would be easy to notice though. I don't think you could do it with a hidden iframe, but I'm not 100% on that. Seems more likely that your trades are bringing you crappy traffic. Also, from the programs I've seen, cookies are set based on the link that was clicked and the code that is in the link, like so:

exampleprogram.com/?id=123456

So it wouldn't matter if your site was opened in a frame of the trade site...cookie would be set with the id #.

Iron Fist · 02-18-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by armus

yes my site A start to get over 1k google 's good keyword traffic and start to make 1,2 sales a day then i started cj trades

I think this is the problem and has already been mentioned before above. Never trade with a CJ site, they are like traffic black holes and will literally suck all your sales away from you. Yeah they give the appearance of huge trades and bump the numbers up nicely, but the productivity is brutal. Your first clue is high traffic numbers but very very low prod, like 20-40%. What this does is force your trade script to send as much as it can to that trade, which kills your entire site, because it starves all your other normal trades. Kill the trade immediately or place a daily limit on the trade equal to the highest amount your next largest trade is and no more, your site can't handle more than that.

seeandsee · 02-18-2010, 10:16 AM

only if your trades are "coded" with some js or other shit, but i think you use trade script

02-17-2010, 12:56 PM	#1
armus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 235	Can some Trades hijack the affiliate sales? I am curious about if some traders can hijack the affiliate sales because one of my site sales just stopped after i have added several trades.

02-17-2010, 01:06 PM	#2
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	You should link to your sponsor through your appropriate linking code, such as example.com?affid=armus, or something like that. As long as you link to your sponsor through your appropriate code, I don't see how someone else can hijack your sales. What I'm saying is, "No, Traders can't hijack your sales." But, what can happen is that you can start trading with sites that have very poor quality traffic. What can happen is that your traders can trade you their crappy traffic for your good traffic. In this case, you are left with crappy traffic on your site. Crappy traffic = less conversions. So, be careful who you trade with. You don't want to trade with traders that will send you crappy low-quality trafffic or hitbots or fake traffic. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected] Last edited by fatfoo; 02-17-2010 at 01:09 PM..

02-17-2010, 03:08 PM	#3
st0ned Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 8,437	Trading generally brings lower quality traffic than say the search engines would. My opinion is that Google brings your "Bounce Rate" into their algorithm. So, say your trades bring you 60% of your traffic and 90% of those visitors leave within the first 30 seconds, Google will likely rank you lower than you had been before. This is purely an example, but might be something to look at. Personally I have always preferred minimal SE traffic over lots of traded traffic considering it converts 100x better. __________________ Conversion Sharks - 1,000+ adult dating offers, traffic management, and consistently high payouts. We will guarantee and beat your current EPC to win your dating traffic! Skype: ConversionSharks \|\| Email: info /@/ conversionsharks.com

02-17-2010, 04:27 PM	#5
st0ned Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 8,437	I had thought about mentioning cookie stuffing as well. It seems more people are doing it these days. They could be stuffing a cookie on the surfers comp, then the surfer visits your site, sees more material then decides they want to signup. If they avoid clicking your link then the cookie stuffer would get credit I imagine. I have always wondered if affiliate A's cookie is stored, then the surfer visits the site again through affiliate B's link, who gets the credit? If it is based off of the most recent cookie then I don't believe your trades could be cookie stuffing to take your sales. Of course this is all based off of assumptions, I can't say 100%. But as mentioned in my earlier example, if you were getting good Google traffic before your trades compare stats and see if that has dropped. If so, I imagine you found your problem. __________________ Conversion Sharks - 1,000+ adult dating offers, traffic management, and consistently high payouts. We will guarantee and beat your current EPC to win your dating traffic! Skype: ConversionSharks \|\| Email: info /@/ conversionsharks.com

02-18-2010, 10:09 AM	#8
easyBob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 210	It's very possible that some site could be running a script that could take your sales... If a user clicks on the link to your site (site B) from site A, site A could simply use a php script to load and parse your pages. While the url will still show site A url, the user would see your site, only the links would be changed to whatever site A wanted them to be. I don't think it would be possible to make the url look like it's on any other site other than the site you are on. It could easily detect a linkcode to a sponsor it uses, change the href, and be done with it. It wouldn't matter if you linked to FHGs or hosted your own galleries either...if it sees a sponser link, it can change it. Doubt users would care either. Sponsors and affiliates would though. It would be easy to notice though. I don't think you could do it with a hidden iframe, but I'm not 100% on that. Seems more likely that your trades are bringing you crappy traffic. Also, from the programs I've seen, cookies are set based on the link that was clicked and the code that is in the link, like so: exampleprogram.com/?id=123456 So it wouldn't matter if your site was opened in a frame of the trade site...cookie would be set with the id #. __________________ Last edited by easyBob; 02-18-2010 at 10:15 AM..

02-17-2010, 04:23 PM	#4
armus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 235	what about framed and probably hidden framed traffic sending? lets say A site links to my B site and when a surfer click B from A, A opened under a frame of B and that visitor bounced visitor, come trough again A and went to a pay site from A's affiliate link, that B site somehow can not add its cookie for this affiliate, that is impoosible is not it?

02-18-2010, 09:12 AM	#6
armus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 235	yes my site A start to get over 1k google 's good keyword traffic and start to make 1,2 sales a day then i started cj trades, and after 2 days it cut like a knife since a week, however site A trading sites are much more SE ranking tubes, it should not be a result of the trades but i am looking for another possiblities if there might be kind of a 0px frames possible to create cookies on the affiliated links of site A

02-18-2010, 09:26 AM	#7
armus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 235	by the way the hit counts are still at the same ratios even a bit better, maybe a bad luck at the past week

02-18-2010, 10:16 AM	#10
seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	only if your trades are "coded" with some js or other shit, but i think you use trade script __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here