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Marcus · 12-22-2002, 08:57 PM

Do you make decisions based on being nice to people and giving them breaks because they were good to you when you were starting out, or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business?

Guilt trips fucking suck.

just had to get that off my chest

Fletch XXX · 12-22-2002, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus
or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business?

Do anything else and kiss it all goodbye.

WiredGuy · 12-22-2002, 09:03 PM

Funny, I contemplate a similiar situation myself. But think of it this way, they believed in you when nobody else probably did. They took a chance on you and invested their time to help you out, I graciously will return the favour.

From a business point of view, it probably does mean less money, but it also improves business relations with that company which can be worth more in the long run.

WG

inthestars · 12-22-2002, 09:05 PM

Do what you can to help without shooting yourself in the foot; calm down, figure out a way to do that. I think your emotions are running wild.

Marcus · 12-22-2002, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Do anything else and kiss it all goodbye.

I guess that's the way it's gotta be if you want to be a success.
Lesson learned.

Sly_RJ · 12-22-2002, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus

I guess that's the way it's gotta be if you want to be a success.
Lesson learned.

You don't have to be a prick to be a success.

It's just easier.

If you're empty inside, fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all.

If you care about those who have lent out a helping hand, then return the favor.

Being me is far more important than an extra $100 note in my pocket every week.

BJ · 12-22-2002, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus
Do you make decisions based on being nice to people and giving them breaks because they were good to you when you were starting out, or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business?

Guilt trips fucking suck.

just had to get that off my chest

I hear ya, not to long ago a couple business associates who were really the nicest guys in the world (I even flew down to meet them) just didnt become cost-effective for me anymore and I knew that I was one of there biggest clients at the time.

Right before I broke it off they sent me some gifts... one was a prosperity buddha... It made me feel so bad I continued on with them for a while longer even though it was costing me a lot.

Sooner or later you just gotta break it off. Unfortunately for me I was not in a position to provide an honest explanation so I pretty much avoid their phone calls.

I feel bad about it but thats just the way it goes.

Marcus · 12-22-2002, 09:41 PM

I have, I'm very thankful for help people give and ALWAYS return the favor and then some. I ask a million questions and when someone helps me and if they want something in return, then absolutely! That's normal.

But I there comes a point when people start taking advantage of you after you've returned the favor and they keep wanting more and more and you start cutting into your own business because you feel bad for them.

troll · 12-22-2002, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus
Do you make decisions based on being nice to people and giving them breaks because they were good to you when you were starting out, or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business?

Guilt trips fucking suck.

just had to get that off my chest

image and favours can in some cases help build your success...each sit is different

PornoDoggy · 12-22-2002, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Do anything else and kiss it all goodbye.

That is what it all boils down to.

p1mpdogg · 12-22-2002, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus
Do you make decisions based on being nice to people and giving them breaks because they were good to you when you were starting out, or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business?

Guilt trips fucking suck.

just had to get that off my chest

you remmeber when i let you sit next to me at lunch in the 3rd grade, and gave you my apple becuase your momz forgot to pack you a lunch?? well its payback time bitch!.. time to collect.. sho me da money!

SpaceAce · 12-23-2002, 12:00 AM

It's pretty simple. If you're feeling genuine guilt, you aren't doing the right thing.

SpaceAce

OzKaNoz · 12-23-2002, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Funny, I contemplate a similiar situation myself. But think of it this way, they believed in you when nobody else probably did. They took a chance on you and invested their time to help you out, I graciously will return the favour.

From a business point of view, it probably does mean less money, but it also improves business relations with that company which can be worth more in the long run.
WG

Very well said WiredGuy

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Do anything else and kiss it all goodbye.

I do understand the thinking behind this statement but is not always true.

I for one would rather give someone a helping hand then making a extra $20 from not helping them. The pay off is in the long run, not the here and now.

Just my $42.29 worth

Oz

quiet · 12-23-2002, 01:43 AM

never accept hand outs from anyone, and you'll avoid this problem ;)

WiredGuy · 12-23-2002, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by OzKaNoz
Very well said WiredGuy

Thank you... to me the business relationship is not short-term, always think long-term...

WG

Paul Markham · 12-23-2002, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by Marcus
Do you make decisions based on being nice to people and giving them breaks because they were good to you when you were starting out, or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business?

Guilt trips fucking suck.

You can always give some one a helping hand, but remember there is only so much room in the life raft.

Always consider your decisions in the bigger picture, how many will suffer if you go broke?

greedinc · 12-23-2002, 03:58 AM

well said charly...

cheekycherry · 12-23-2002, 04:36 AM

It depends if they were a major contributing factor to your success... If you couldn't have made it without them, then you should look after them till the end.

cheekycherry · 12-23-2002, 04:44 AM

People have fucked me over in the past after I really did help them out big time.

This one guy was getting shit load of the hottest SE traffic and making about $200 per day from it - I helped him out, pointed him in the right direction and totally redeisgned his sales approach, created copy for him that presold his sponsor fastastically... I spent about 40 hours doing this for him and in return all I wanted was to get the 5% webmaster refferal fee for 6 months - so basically he was losing nothing.

Overnight he went from making $200 per day to $2,000 per day!

After 4 weeks he ripped me off and switched sponsors cutting me out the deal...

I'd invested hard work, time and expertise in this guy and he fucked me over... Now, I don't know wether you believe in karma or not but I'm beginning to...

About 2 weeks after the switch, his great listings became not bad listings, 2 weeks after that and he isn't a first page player any more... I thought about sueing him as I did get a written agreement but the powers that be hit him harder than my lawyer ever could... I hope the fucker is out of business.

Give and you will receive!

andi_germany · 12-23-2002, 05:25 AM

I know exactly what you going thru. I started out in 97 and took part on the full boom of the internet. I made shitloads of money and I thought lets share it with my friends. I gave them jobs and paid them good but when the table started to turn back to just normal in 2001 I had to lay them off. Was the hardest part of the business.

Pistol · 12-23-2002, 05:33 AM

Money may come and come and go but your personal and business (the same think really) integrity is a damned site harder to get back once you've apparently lost it.

If of course you consider this to be a matter of integrity!

Good Luck!

pxtreme75 · 12-23-2002, 06:19 AM

Do you know Nash? Probably, due to Holywood these days.

He was a mathematician and what he said, in a very rough format, I admit it, is that what is best for YOU is what maximise your and your colleques benefit all at the same time. Not what maximise solely your benefit (For this stems the well known Nash Equilibrium)

In other words, when you have some colleques, a choice to abandonded them is a hard one. And thats because your OWN value is maximised because of them. And that in many ways.

So, usually is not a matter of what is good or bad. We all understand that good partners help us succeed, even when we can't figure out how exactly they do that.

12-22-2002, 08:57 PM	#1
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	Sometimes being in business fucking sucks Do you make decisions based on being nice to people and giving them breaks because they were good to you when you were starting out, or do you make decisions based on what's best for your business? Guilt trips fucking suck. just had to get that off my chest

12-22-2002, 09:03 PM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	Funny, I contemplate a similiar situation myself. But think of it this way, they believed in you when nobody else probably did. They took a chance on you and invested their time to help you out, I graciously will return the favour. From a business point of view, it probably does mean less money, but it also improves business relations with that company which can be worth more in the long run. WG __________________ I play with Google.

12-23-2002, 01:43 AM	#14
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	never accept hand outs from anyone, and you'll avoid this problem ;) __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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Pistol Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 161	Money may come and come and go but your personal and business (the same think really) integrity is a damned site harder to get back once you've apparently lost it. If of course you consider this to be a matter of integrity! Good Luck! __________________ www.gunzblazing.com www.hardgayfeeds.com www.aebn.net

12-23-2002, 06:19 AM	#22
pxtreme75 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 97	Do you know Nash? Probably, due to Holywood these days. He was a mathematician and what he said, in a very rough format, I admit it, is that what is best for YOU is what maximise your and your colleques benefit all at the same time. Not what maximise solely your benefit (For this stems the well known Nash Equilibrium) In other words, when you have some colleques, a choice to abandonded them is a hard one. And thats because your OWN value is maximised because of them. And that in many ways. So, usually is not a matter of what is good or bad. We all understand that good partners help us succeed, even when we can't figure out how exactly they do that. __________________ AdvancedSubmitter - Best Submission Tool FastTGPBuilder - Autobuild and Autoupdate your niche TGP/MGP. Check it today!

12-22-2002, 09:05 PM	#4
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	Do what you can to help without shooting yourself in the foot; calm down, figure out a way to do that. I think your emotions are running wild.

12-22-2002, 09:41 PM	#8
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	I have, I'm very thankful for help people give and ALWAYS return the favor and then some. I ask a million questions and when someone helps me and if they want something in return, then absolutely! That's normal. But I there comes a point when people start taking advantage of you after you've returned the favor and they keep wanting more and more and you start cutting into your own business because you feel bad for them.

12-23-2002, 12:00 AM	#12
SpaceAce Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Magrathea Posts: 6,493	It's pretty simple. If you're feeling genuine guilt, you aren't doing the right thing. SpaceAce

12-23-2002, 03:58 AM	#17
greedinc Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 245	well said charly...

12-23-2002, 04:36 AM	#18
cheekycherry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 1,703	It depends if they were a major contributing factor to your success... If you couldn't have made it without them, then you should look after them till the end.

12-23-2002, 04:44 AM	#19
cheekycherry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 1,703	People have fucked me over in the past after I really did help them out big time. This one guy was getting shit load of the hottest SE traffic and making about $200 per day from it - I helped him out, pointed him in the right direction and totally redeisgned his sales approach, created copy for him that presold his sponsor fastastically... I spent about 40 hours doing this for him and in return all I wanted was to get the 5% webmaster refferal fee for 6 months - so basically he was losing nothing. Overnight he went from making $200 per day to $2,000 per day! After 4 weeks he ripped me off and switched sponsors cutting me out the deal... I'd invested hard work, time and expertise in this guy and he fucked me over... Now, I don't know wether you believe in karma or not but I'm beginning to... About 2 weeks after the switch, his great listings became not bad listings, 2 weeks after that and he isn't a first page player any more... I thought about sueing him as I did get a written agreement but the powers that be hit him harder than my lawyer ever could... I hope the fucker is out of business. Give and you will receive!

12-23-2002, 05:25 AM	#20
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I know exactly what you going thru. I started out in 97 and took part on the full boom of the internet. I made shitloads of money and I thought lets share it with my friends. I gave them jobs and paid them good but when the table started to turn back to just normal in 2001 I had to lay them off. Was the hardest part of the business.