How do you deal with slow pay programs who have excuse after excuse? - GoFuckYourself.com

AmeliaG · 03-02-2010, 06:36 PM

How do you deal with slow pay programs who have excuse after excuse?

I try to practice the Golden Rule and treat others as I would like to be treated, so I always initially assume that a slow paying program has made an error or is having a bad week, as opposed to assuming they are trying to not pay me. So I always start out with the polite email option and eventually point out if I feel like folks are dragging their feet, but I think there are some programs riding out the bad economy on people being unwilling to fuss over amounts around $100. I've always felt like it is easier to just write it off, pull links, and move on, but this is happening more and more now.

For example, I've had one or more programs in the past six months change their minimum payout without notice, change my pay to name on my account so I couldn't cash the check, repeatedly misplace my tax paperwork, complain they don't like my name, even accidentally enter one pay period as a negative number instead of a positive one when changing backend, etc. Getting awfully tired of this and wondering if I'm being too chill about it. At a certain point, dunning people for chump change in private starts feeling like more bother than it is worth, but I don't really want to just let shady folks walk with my money.

EscortBiz · 03-02-2010, 06:40 PM

right now if its not ccbill, verotel, epoch i do not send traffic (webcams.com and a few other very long timers exception)

AmeliaG · 03-02-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

right now if its not ccbill, verotel, epoch i do not send traffic (webcams.com and a few other very long timers exception)

Maybe I should look into Verotel programs more. I'm def with you on promoting CCBill and Epoch above most standalone programs at this point. Been trying to expand sponsor list, partly to address sucky economy, but not worth it, if I have to be a bill collector. Then again, some of what I thought were the biggest standalone programs I promoted have done some of this stuff recently. Crazy times.

TDF · 03-02-2010, 06:45 PM

check is in the mail

Brujah · 03-02-2010, 06:46 PM

Maybe a 3rd party debt collection agency could handle it all for you, and you won't let it stress you.

AmeliaG · 03-02-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TDF

check is in the mail

Yeah, the check is in my mouth; they won't come in the mail.

Agent 488 · 03-02-2010, 06:48 PM

call them out. bump threads continuously. there are other boards that will make your thread the number one in google for their program name. their are tons of programs pulling shady shit right now - if you are right, gfy has your back.

Agent 488 · 03-02-2010, 06:50 PM

it's your money. con artists prey upon you to be too afraid to make a stink. also be aware they are going to blame you for calling out their scam, but fuck them.

Brujah · 03-02-2010, 06:52 PM

How long should they hold minimum payouts? I've got a few sponsors that I have like $60 or $70 sitting in their for years now, unpaid. Seems odd that they'd hold it that long. That must be a nice buffer too, depending on how many affiliates they have.

Bman · 03-02-2010, 07:01 PM

pull links , move on. Need to get these peeps out of the biz so the people who pay can give a bigger peice of the pie.

Va2k · 03-02-2010, 07:06 PM

Yea even though ccbill having wms problems I would only promote programs that use them, vortel,epoch I don't trust nats or mpa3 too easy to cheat the webmaster with them programs! NOW don't get in a hissy I'm not saying nats or mpa3 team is or has done this I'm just saying that some programs that use their services tend to cheat a lot more then you or I would know! *shrugs*

SGS · 03-02-2010, 07:09 PM

With very very few exceptions unless it's ccbill we don't send traffic.

Sly · 03-02-2010, 07:15 PM

Not paid? Getting dicked around? Call them out.

They will either pay you right away so that they look good. Or they will not pay you and you'll never hear from them again, at least that way you'll know they are gone.

Nothing bad will come from calling them out. It's like giving a loan to somebody for $20 that never gets paid back... sure, you are out a night at the movies but you also know who to never trust with money again.

Barefootsies · 03-02-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bman

pull links , move on. Need to get these peeps out of the biz so the people who pay can give a bigger peice of the pie.

True dat.

WiredGuy · 03-02-2010, 07:22 PM

Cut off traffic until they pay. When (if) they pay, tell them you want interest on making you wait. If they refuse, don't send them traffic again. They should be bending over for your traffic, so make them jump thru hoops.
WG

NickB. · 03-02-2010, 07:23 PM

Stick with programs that always have paid/will pay

programs like us

CunningStunt · 03-02-2010, 07:28 PM

Let me guess, one of them was sybian?

I drop programs immediately that mess me around, not worth the hassle.

Enjoy Bucks · 03-02-2010, 08:53 PM

i'm checking boards, google and asking friends\partners before signup and send traffic. Have not programmes who dont pay or not paying on time in my list. After two delays with payment - i'm pulling links.

heymatty · 03-02-2010, 08:58 PM

1 week late. Pull links.

2 weeks late. Make thread.

AmeliaG · 03-03-2010, 11:01 AM

Wow, I don't usually even notice if a program is one or two weeks late, unless it is someone I've promoted for a long time. I understand that a lot of programs are not run by huge staffs or anything and someone could get a cold and delay payments for something innocent. Some standalone programs have such arcane systems of pay periods and pay lag time that it is difficult to even tell precisely when payment is due. The programs that really put a bee in my bonnet are the ones where I have to log in to see what is up with payment and then deal with their support dodging me or making excuses, while I have to contact them more than once. I shouldn't have to think to myself that it seems like maybe I should have received payment from so-and-so by now.

andrej_NDC · 03-03-2010, 11:05 AM

Happened to me once, didn't send any more traffic, simple as that. Even though I was paid later, I would never ever send a hit again and I don't care if the reason is a mistake, such errors just can't happen, period!

EscortBiz · 03-03-2010, 11:12 AM

always remember, every program that stopped paying always at one point paid slow,

SomeCreep · 03-03-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

For example, I've had one or more programs in the past six months change their minimum payout without notice, change my pay to name on my account so I couldn't cash the check, repeatedly misplace my tax paperwork, complain they don't like my name, even accidentally enter one pay period as a negative number instead of a positive one when changing backend, etc. Getting awfully tired of this and wondering if I'm being too chill about it. At a certain point, dunning people for chump change in private starts feeling like more bother than it is worth, but I don't really want to just let shady folks walk with my money.

Name names. If a sponsor is shady or just plain dishonest, they deserve to be named.

digitaldivas · 03-03-2010, 03:19 PM

Not affiliated with Score Cash at all, with the exception of being one of my many sponsors, but they are just one of the most kick fucking ass programs out there. Always nice as hell and checks always on time. As is Swank Dollars and many others. There are jerkoffs out there, but the quality programs will always be there because of rock solid reputations imho.

DAMNMAN · 03-03-2010, 04:14 PM

Pull links, plenty of people still making payments on time.

cherrylula · 03-03-2010, 06:26 PM

what a hassle... yeah at some point it isn't worth it to even chase them for the money. And companies have ripped so many webmasters that never made the minimum payout, I'm probably owed hundreds, if not thousands I'll never see from that.

good luck Amelia!

blonda80 · 03-03-2010, 10:54 PM

some names would be helpful

TurboAngel · 03-04-2010, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

right now if its not ccbill, verotel, epoch i do not send traffic (webcams.com and a few other very long timers exception)

Bingo!

AmeliaG · 03-21-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

always remember, every program that stopped paying always at one point paid slow,

That is sadly probably a very true point.

MikeSmoke · 03-22-2010, 03:22 AM

From a program perspective, it's sad to see so many people feeling this way; but from an affiliate perspective, it's totally understandable.
I think what we need is a *completely* unbiased rebirth of the GBU.
Serge, you up for it?

Pandoras · 03-22-2010, 07:31 AM

working with four - five affiliate programs only , maybe that way will never gone have payment issues

Nicky · 03-22-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

I think what we need is a *completely* unbiased rebirth of the GBU.
Serge, you up for it?

That would take too much time from zipping wine and laughing at the zoo

Bryan G · 03-22-2010, 09:00 AM

We always pay on time and have been doing so since 1999, send us your traffic if you want paid on time.

We offer epass, check, wire and can pay weekly if you so desire.

Phoenix · 03-22-2010, 09:04 AM

yeah these days more and more companies are paying slowly or holding money for one reason or another...eventually they all pay up...but seems like a big hassle these days

Paul Markham · 03-22-2010, 09:32 AM

It's your money they are holding, probably to pay their bills instead of you paying yours.

Polite email, week later a stronger one and then pull links and replace with other sponsors. Lastly out them on the boards. It's obvious they are doing it to more than you.

Luscious Media · 03-22-2010, 09:36 AM

I can honestly say that I've pretty much dealt with it ALL. Late payments, no payments, bad checks, unsigned checks, hosted ads not counting my sales...but still work and send traffic, redirected hosted galleries, you name it and I've had it happen to me.

Now I would say...ooooh...85% of the time it's an honest mistake and I get the situation straightened out without any drama. It's usually a new program working through some bugs or an existing program that made some changes and fucked something up. Whatever, it gets fixed and we move on.

Then there the other 15% who either can't or won't fix the issue or even worse, don't respond at all. These are the ones I drop immediately. No hesitation...and I never go back.

I'm more diligent than ever in selecting who I send my traffic to. Most of those I do business with know me, we talk once in a while but they don't harrass me with sales pitches. That personal touch goes a long fucking way in my book.

All that being said...AmeliaG, can you or someone from Spooky Cash please contact me? PunkPussy.com is in need of a facelift and I would like to give your program full/better representation. Banner, galleries, the works. Thanks.

LAJ · 03-22-2010, 12:27 PM

I get the CEO on the phone.

iSpyCams · 03-22-2010, 03:40 PM

What I do is halt traffic for anyone that is even one day late. I can resume when they pay.

Things happen, and I understand, but nobody gives me free traffic and I aint about to foot the bill for somebody else's program.

NetwErk GUrl · 03-22-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus

Yea even though ccbill having wms problems I would only promote programs that use them, vortel,epoch I don't trust nats or mpa3 too easy to cheat the webmaster with them programs! NOW don't get in a hissy I'm not saying nats or mpa3 team is or has done this I'm just saying that some programs that use their services tend to cheat a lot more then you or I would know! *shrugs*

I'm not getting in a hissy, but I would like to provide a counterpoint.

Programs that are on MPA3 or NATS have chosen to use a cascading tracking solution and in doing so have reduced their declined sale percentage due to scrub. They've elected to expand their promotional tools offerings, etc. All of these reasons for an affiliate program to choose MPA3 help affiliates make more money, too. More sales through the cascade mean bigger checks for everyone.

Programs on MPA3 are not big cheaters... quite the contrary! They're doing what they can to make the maximum amount of sales for their sites AND for their affiliates using trusted technology that is tried and true in our industry.

Now, I understand that the question here is if the program will SEND the check... I read the thread. I'd just encourage affiliates to review the program and judge it on their individual merits.

Juilan · 03-22-2010, 05:46 PM

I feel ya, a lot of programs have changed there minimum threshold to $200 or $100 from $50 lately. The $50 min. baits affiliates to sign up and send traffic and then later the switch takes place. The result is they dishonor the original agreement with the affiliate and hold onto your earnings.

When 1 program does it to you and they convert, your like $50 no big deal, but when you add it all up the split you earned yourself is in there pocket and not yours.

AmeliaG · 03-22-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Luscious Media

I can honestly say that I've pretty much dealt with it ALL. Late payments, no payments, bad checks, unsigned checks, hosted ads not counting my sales...but still work and send traffic, redirected hosted galleries, you name it and I've had it happen to me.

Now I would say...ooooh...85% of the time it's an honest mistake and I get the situation straightened out without any drama. It's usually a new program working through some bugs or an existing program that made some changes and fucked something up. Whatever, it gets fixed and we move on.

Then there the other 15% who either can't or won't fix the issue or even worse, don't respond at all. These are the ones I drop immediately. No hesitation...and I never go back.

I'm more diligent than ever in selecting who I send my traffic to. Most of those I do business with know me, we talk once in a while but they don't harrass me with sales pitches. That personal touch goes a long fucking way in my book.

All that being said...AmeliaG, can you or someone from Spooky Cash please contact me? PunkPussy.com is in need of a facelift and I would like to give your program full/better representation. Banner, galleries, the works. Thanks.

Cool! I just added you on ICQ

AmeliaG · 03-22-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

I feel ya, a lot of programs have changed there minimum threshold to $200 or $100 from $50 lately. The $50 min. baits affiliates to sign up and send traffic and then later the switch takes place. The result is they dishonor the original agreement with the affiliate and hold onto your earnings.

When 1 program does it to you and they convert, your like $50 no big deal, but when you add it all up the split you earned yourself is in there pocket and not yours.

The raising minimums thing is one of the most annoying to me. Partly, who is to say they won't raise them again, the next time it is the moment to cut the check to me. And, partly, it is 100% breach of contract to change those terms, after I have already sent traffic, but they know nobody is going to go to small claims court for $50. And $50 times a lot of affiliates adds up. SpookyCash is not the biggest program on the block, but, if my checks were not cut by Epoch and CCBill, and I decided to raise the minimum payout to $250, I'd be keeping a lot of people's dough to the point where it would really add up to real money. I wouldn't do that regardless because I think a person's word should mean something when they give it. But obviously a lot of programs do not share my view. I've even had pretty big programs swear they were going to pay me, even after they changed to a higher minimum payout and, while some have done so, and I continue to promote them, some surprising players have either sent me a check which shorted me for some ridiculously small sum like $25 or keep saying they are gonna pay me real soon.

AmeliaG · 03-26-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NetwErk GUrl

I'm not getting in a hissy, but I would like to provide a counterpoint.

Programs that are on MPA3 or NATS have chosen to use a cascading tracking solution and in doing so have reduced their declined sale percentage due to scrub. They've elected to expand their promotional tools offerings, etc. All of these reasons for an affiliate program to choose MPA3 help affiliates make more money, too. More sales through the cascade mean bigger checks for everyone.

Programs on MPA3 are not big cheaters... quite the contrary! They're doing what they can to make the maximum amount of sales for their sites AND for their affiliates using trusted technology that is tried and true in our industry.

Now, I understand that the question here is if the program will SEND the check... I read the thread. I'd just encourage affiliates to review the program and judge it on their individual merits.

The thing is exactly the question you stated where, with CCBill, Epoch, and Zombaio, I do not have to ask is they are likely to actually SEND the payment once it is owed. It is hard enough to make sales in the current economic climate, so the last thing I want to spend my time on is chasing folks down for amounts of money less than $400, often as little as $50. Especially when some of these guys are big established programs with high profiles. But I can't help feeling that, if they were on CCBill, Epoch, or Zombaio, I'd just have my dough.

Juilan · 03-29-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

The raising minimums thing is one of the most annoying to me. Partly, who is to say they won't raise them again, the next time it is the moment to cut the check to me. And, partly, it is 100% breach of contract to change those terms, after I have already sent traffic, but they know nobody is going to go to small claims court for $50. And $50 times a lot of affiliates adds up. SpookyCash is not the biggest program on the block, but, if my checks were not cut by Epoch and CCBill, and I decided to raise the minimum payout to $250, I'd be keeping a lot of people's dough to the point where it would really add up to real money. I wouldn't do that regardless because I think a person's word should mean something when they give it. But obviously a lot of programs do not share my view. I've even had pretty big programs swear they were going to pay me, even after they changed to a higher minimum payout and, while some have done so, and I continue to promote them, some surprising players have either sent me a check which shorted me for some ridiculously small sum like $25 or keep saying they are gonna pay me real soon.

Right, then stage 3 is that program either goes out of business or sells to another party. And then the Coup de grace, the unpaid earnings slush fund goes bye bye with the original owner.

18teens · 03-29-2010, 06:50 PM

Pull your links if a program is dicking you around. Then start a thread about their sorry asses and keep bumping it until you're paid.

SEO Expert · 03-29-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 18teens

Pull your links if a program is dicking you around. Then start a thread about their sorry asses and keep bumping it until you're paid.

Exactly. Right now traffic and sales is king. If they don't appreciate it, there are many others who will

CaptainHowdy · 03-29-2010, 08:06 PM

Spill the beans...

AaliyahLove · 03-30-2010, 12:21 AM

I worked for a webcam company like this for about a year. They once owed me $7000 for like 6-7 weeks. They usually paid late like every 4th time they paid us and half of the models in my studio would get so upset that I would have to pay them out of pocket, and a lot of them quit. A lot of them still call ME the scammer for getting them to sign up for a shady site. At the time, webcaming was 100% of my income at the time, so being owed $ for over a month was a big fucking deal to me, I wasn't able to pay my billls! I haven't worked there in awhile but I was just contacted by a girl who I know well who is upset because they're not paying HER and the models in her studio. fucking shady.

When I expressed my concerns about this to people at conventions, they all said the same thing. "Oh ___ always pay late, but don't worry, because they always pay." so in other words, it was just accepted in the industry, what a fucking unprofessional joke!

Worst still, the company was based out of some 3rd world country so it's not like I could legally go after them. They had NO model support number, but you could "open a ticket". The only response I ever got out of this, usually 2-3 days later usually, was some bullshit like "dear model, we are sorry this has happened to you. If the problem persists, please contact us and we will investigate further" WTF?!

so what do I think of companies that pay late? I think it's quite obvious.

Sabby · 03-30-2010, 12:53 AM

Drink about 5 beers.. then message them... tell them how you really feel...

they will prolly ban you from their network.

Then message them after a few days say, innocently ask why did you ban me?

And then the checks come in the mail and everything is honky dory.

And life goes on.

Hmmm. worked for me

Sabby

Sabby · 03-30-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

I worked for a webcam company like this for about a year. They once owed me $7000 for like 6-7 weeks. They usually paid late like every 4th time they paid us and half of the models in my studio would get so upset that I would have to pay them out of pocket, and a lot of them quit. A lot of them still call ME the scammer for getting them to sign up for a shady site. At the time, webcaming was 100% of my income at the time, so being owed $ for over a month was a big fucking deal to me, I wasn't able to pay my billls! I haven't worked there in awhile but I was just contacted by a girl who I know well who is upset because they're not paying HER and the models in her studio. fucking shady.

When I expressed my concerns about this to people at conventions, they all said the same thing. "Oh ___ always pay late, but don't worry, because they always pay." so in other words, it was just accepted in the industry, what a fucking unprofessional joke!

Worst still, the company was based out of some 3rd world country so it's not like I could legally go after them. They had NO model support number, but you could "open a ticket". The only response I ever got out of this, usually 2-3 days later usually, was some bullshit like "dear model, we are sorry this has happened to you. If the problem persists, please contact us and we will investigate further" WTF?!

so what do I think of companies that pay late? I think it's quite obvious.

If your gonna run a webcam studio you dont want to be living check to check.

Sabby

03-02-2010, 06:36 PM	#1
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,549	How do you deal with slow pay programs who have excuse after excuse? How do you deal with slow pay programs who have excuse after excuse? I try to practice the Golden Rule and treat others as I would like to be treated, so I always initially assume that a slow paying program has made an error or is having a bad week, as opposed to assuming they are trying to not pay me. So I always start out with the polite email option and eventually point out if I feel like folks are dragging their feet, but I think there are some programs riding out the bad economy on people being unwilling to fuss over amounts around $100. I've always felt like it is easier to just write it off, pull links, and move on, but this is happening more and more now. For example, I've had one or more programs in the past six months change their minimum payout without notice, change my pay to name on my account so I couldn't cash the check, repeatedly misplace my tax paperwork, complain they don't like my name, even accidentally enter one pay period as a negative number instead of a positive one when changing backend, etc. Getting awfully tired of this and wondering if I'm being too chill about it. At a certain point, dunning people for chump change in private starts feeling like more bother than it is worth, but I don't really want to just let shady folks walk with my money. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

03-02-2010, 06:40 PM	#2
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03-02-2010, 06:45 PM	#4
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03-02-2010, 06:46 PM	#5
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03-02-2010, 06:52 PM	#9
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	How long should they hold minimum payouts? I've got a few sponsors that I have like $60 or $70 sitting in their for years now, unpaid. Seems odd that they'd hold it that long. That must be a nice buffer too, depending on how many affiliates they have. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

03-02-2010, 06:48 PM	#7
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	call them out. bump threads continuously. there are other boards that will make your thread the number one in google for their program name. their are tons of programs pulling shady shit right now - if you are right, gfy has your back.

03-02-2010, 06:50 PM	#8
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	it's your money. con artists prey upon you to be too afraid to make a stink. also be aware they are going to blame you for calling out their scam, but fuck them.

03-02-2010, 07:01 PM	#10
Bman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Redirecting your traffic Posts: 1,679	pull links , move on. Need to get these peeps out of the biz so the people who pay can give a bigger peice of the pie. __________________ ICQ 228211529

03-02-2010, 07:06 PM	#11
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	Yea even though ccbill having wms problems I would only promote programs that use them, vortel,epoch I don't trust nats or mpa3 too easy to cheat the webmaster with them programs! NOW don't get in a hissy I'm not saying nats or mpa3 team is or has done this I'm just saying that some programs that use their services tend to cheat a lot more then you or I would know! shrugs __________________

03-02-2010, 07:09 PM	#12
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	With very very few exceptions unless it's ccbill we don't send traffic. __________________ See sig...

03-02-2010, 07:15 PM	#13
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,298	Not paid? Getting dicked around? Call them out. They will either pay you right away so that they look good. Or they will not pay you and you'll never hear from them again, at least that way you'll know they are gone. Nothing bad will come from calling them out. It's like giving a loan to somebody for $20 that never gets paid back... sure, you are out a night at the movies but you also know who to never trust with money again.

03-02-2010, 07:22 PM	#15
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,461	Cut off traffic until they pay. When (if) they pay, tell them you want interest on making you wait. If they refuse, don't send them traffic again. They should be bending over for your traffic, so make them jump thru hoops. WG __________________ I play with Google.

03-02-2010, 07:23 PM	#16
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Stick with programs that always have paid/will pay programs like us

03-02-2010, 07:28 PM	#17
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Let me guess, one of them was sybian? I drop programs immediately that mess me around, not worth the hassle.

03-02-2010, 08:53 PM	#18
Enjoy Bucks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: in heaven Posts: 290	i'm checking boards, google and asking friends\partners before signup and send traffic. Have not programmes who dont pay or not paying on time in my list. After two delays with payment - i'm pulling links. __________________ >>> Good converting niche sites! Hardcore, Swingers, Nudists, Voyeur, Public, Fisting, Ebony, Asian, Amateur. icq: 895-387-26 skype: callraoul email: support (at) enjoybucks.com

03-02-2010, 08:58 PM	#19
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	1 week late. Pull links. 2 weeks late. Make thread. __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

03-03-2010, 11:01 AM	#20
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,549	Wow, I don't usually even notice if a program is one or two weeks late, unless it is someone I've promoted for a long time. I understand that a lot of programs are not run by huge staffs or anything and someone could get a cold and delay payments for something innocent. Some standalone programs have such arcane systems of pay periods and pay lag time that it is difficult to even tell precisely when payment is due. The programs that really put a bee in my bonnet are the ones where I have to log in to see what is up with payment and then deal with their support dodging me or making excuses, while I have to contact them more than once. I shouldn't have to think to myself that it seems like maybe I should have received payment from so-and-so by now. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

03-03-2010, 11:05 AM	#21
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Happened to me once, didn't send any more traffic, simple as that. Even though I was paid later, I would never ever send a hit again and I don't care if the reason is a mistake, such errors just can't happen, period!

03-03-2010, 11:12 AM	#22
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03-03-2010, 03:19 PM	#24
digitaldivas ..I Heart Cannibal Corpse Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,328	Not affiliated with Score Cash at all, with the exception of being one of my many sponsors, but they are just one of the most kick fucking ass programs out there. Always nice as hell and checks always on time. As is Swank Dollars and many others. There are jerkoffs out there, but the quality programs will always be there because of rock solid reputations imho. __________________ ...

03-03-2010, 04:14 PM	#25
DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	Pull links, plenty of people still making payments on time. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

03-03-2010, 06:26 PM	#26
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	what a hassle... yeah at some point it isn't worth it to even chase them for the money. And companies have ripped so many webmasters that never made the minimum payout, I'm probably owed hundreds, if not thousands I'll never see from that. good luck Amelia!

03-03-2010, 10:54 PM	#27
blonda80 FOR HIRE: AFF Manager Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: EU Posts: 10,959	some names would be helpful __________________ Weekly Paying Affiliate Program with Dating Cam Offers! TrafficGoldmine.com is the official home of HookUP.com They offer payments by PayPal, Paxum, BTC, Bkash, Webmoney & more!

03-22-2010, 03:22 AM	#30
MikeSmoke Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,233	From a program perspective, it's sad to see so many people feeling this way; but from an affiliate perspective, it's totally understandable. I think what we need is a completely unbiased rebirth of the GBU. Serge, you up for it? __________________ icq: 541-739-92

03-22-2010, 07:31 AM	#31
Pandoras Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: ICQ : 449-718-239 Posts: 8,447	working with four - five affiliate programs only , maybe that way will never gone have payment issues __________________ Find the right product for the right traffic only at TeenRevenue.com If you dont covert with TeenRevenue with your TeenTraffic within 24 hours of adding our links WE WILL CREDIT YOUR ACCOUNT !!! Sigh up for for more detials and find out more

03-22-2010, 09:00 AM	#33
Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	We always pay on time and have been doing so since 1999, send us your traffic if you want paid on time. We offer epass, check, wire and can pay weekly if you so desire. __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

03-22-2010, 09:04 AM	#34
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,457	yeah these days more and more companies are paying slowly or holding money for one reason or another...eventually they all pay up...but seems like a big hassle these days __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

03-22-2010, 09:32 AM	#35
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	It's your money they are holding, probably to pay their bills instead of you paying yours. Polite email, week later a stronger one and then pull links and replace with other sponsors. Lastly out them on the boards. It's obvious they are doing it to more than you. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-22-2010, 09:36 AM	#36
Luscious Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Foxwoods Posts: 785	I can honestly say that I've pretty much dealt with it ALL. Late payments, no payments, bad checks, unsigned checks, hosted ads not counting my sales...but still work and send traffic, redirected hosted galleries, you name it and I've had it happen to me. Now I would say...ooooh...85% of the time it's an honest mistake and I get the situation straightened out without any drama. It's usually a new program working through some bugs or an existing program that made some changes and fucked something up. Whatever, it gets fixed and we move on. Then there the other 15% who either can't or won't fix the issue or even worse, don't respond at all. These are the ones I drop immediately. No hesitation...and I never go back. I'm more diligent than ever in selecting who I send my traffic to. Most of those I do business with know me, we talk once in a while but they don't harrass me with sales pitches. That personal touch goes a long fucking way in my book. All that being said...AmeliaG, can you or someone from Spooky Cash please contact me? PunkPussy.com is in need of a facelift and I would like to give your program full/better representation. Banner, galleries, the works. Thanks. __________________ Luscious Media ICQ: 293-550-859 CFNM Cash

03-22-2010, 12:27 PM	#37
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	I get the CEO on the phone. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

03-22-2010, 03:40 PM	#38
iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	What I do is halt traffic for anyone that is even one day late. I can resume when they pay. Things happen, and I understand, but nobody gives me free traffic and I aint about to foot the bill for somebody else's program.

03-22-2010, 05:46 PM	#40
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	I feel ya, a lot of programs have changed there minimum threshold to $200 or $100 from $50 lately. The $50 min. baits affiliates to sign up and send traffic and then later the switch takes place. The result is they dishonor the original agreement with the affiliate and hold onto your earnings. When 1 program does it to you and they convert, your like $50 no big deal, but when you add it all up the split you earned yourself is in there pocket and not yours. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \| Last edited by Juilan; 03-22-2010 at 05:50 PM..

03-29-2010, 06:50 PM	#45
18teens Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,605	Pull your links if a program is dicking you around. Then start a thread about their sorry asses and keep bumping it until you're paid.

03-29-2010, 08:06 PM	#47
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,311	Spill the beans... __________________ "Tjeezers.cam wishes you a nice day”

03-30-2010, 12:21 AM	#48
AaliyahLove Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: AaliyahLove.com Posts: 2,722	I worked for a webcam company like this for about a year. They once owed me $7000 for like 6-7 weeks. They usually paid late like every 4th time they paid us and half of the models in my studio would get so upset that I would have to pay them out of pocket, and a lot of them quit. A lot of them still call ME the scammer for getting them to sign up for a shady site. At the time, webcaming was 100% of my income at the time, so being owed $ for over a month was a big fucking deal to me, I wasn't able to pay my billls! I haven't worked there in awhile but I was just contacted by a girl who I know well who is upset because they're not paying HER and the models in her studio. fucking shady. When I expressed my concerns about this to people at conventions, they all said the same thing. "Oh ___ always pay late, but don't worry, because they always pay." so in other words, it was just accepted in the industry, what a fucking unprofessional joke! Worst still, the company was based out of some 3rd world country so it's not like I could legally go after them. They had NO model support number, but you could "open a ticket". The only response I ever got out of this, usually 2-3 days later usually, was some bullshit like "dear model, we are sorry this has happened to you. If the problem persists, please contact us and we will investigate further" WTF?! so what do I think of companies that pay late? I think it's quite obvious. __________________ www.AaliyahLove.CamModels.Com