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ArsewithClass · 03-14-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Free cams may take away sales on the guys that don't give a shit who they look at as long as the chick is naked but quite a few guys bounce around and buy a few minutes here and there but once they find a girl that gets them off they aint going anywhere whether she charges 1.99 or 4.99 a minute. I have seen guys spend 1.99 a minute for 30-45 minutes and do nothing else but talk to the chick. Some guys need an online girlfriend of sorts. I have seen one guy asking for relationship advice for over 30 paid minutes. Really hot chicks and chicks that actually talk to their customers will always retain the pay per minute model as those customers aren't looking for just any random chick there looking for someone to talk to that cares or at least fakes it pretty good. I can advertise one of my cam sites and make profit every time. I advertise one of my tgp, mgp and then I realize it's not 2002 anymore.

absolutely!

There is always money in any business especially when its sex. The point of the online girlfriend is perfect. Guys hunt around before finding that perfect woman for them when they shall spend hundreds. And why not, if it pleases them. Its better than spending hundreds in the boozer every night.

gaffg · 03-14-2010, 10:27 AM

you can gamble online for free but that hasn't hurt that industry

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03-14-2010, 10:28 AM

Sig'n in for this one.

2012 · 03-14-2010, 10:34 AM

porn is dead it's all dead now go home

PornstarXS · 03-14-2010, 10:43 AM

the more girls start doing free chats they'll eventually learn that they can make money and get free gifts from their viewers on their own. no more need of cam sites overseeing things. you dont need to buy minutes or tokens, you just have to connect with the people and like you guys have mentioned 'build a one on one connection' or 'online girlfriend relationship' (kind of sad, anyways). after that you ask them to send money via paypal or free gifts to a p.o. box. so there you go.

and it's similar to the adult film industry when back in the days you'd rarely see anal fucking. but when you have new girls come in and open their asses for business, eventually everyone has to take it in the ass or keep up with everyone else - or you dont work. as much as women (or any webcam performer) think they are the hottest thing out there, there's someone hotter and hungrier out there and they'll do whatever it takes. it's simple sabotage, similar to what the tubes have done. once you give things away for free (like nuke from robocop) you'll have them so hooked that you can monetize after.

and you forget one thing - seeing and observing the youth today, you'll realize that they are attention whores. free cams is a great new way to become noticed, famous or infamous. and with so many people who live in the moment and pay for it for the rest of their lives - i can see the pay format of cams sinking. which is kind of sweet justice for those profiting from illegal tubes

Choker · 03-14-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PornstarXS

the more girls start doing free chats they'll eventually learn that they can make money and get free gifts from their viewers on their own. no more need of cam sites overseeing things. you dont need to buy minutes or tokens, you just have to connect with the people and like you guys have mentioned 'build a one on one connection' or 'online girlfriend relationship' (kind of sad, anyways). after that you ask them to send money via paypal or free gifts to a p.o. box. so there you go.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

will76 · 03-14-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

Honestly, you have no clue what you are talking about.

I gave several valid reasons in this thread, that people ignore because they want so bad to see "sweet justice". I could dispute every thought in this thread with factual reasons why it wont happen the way you guys think, but whatever. I think I am going to go the other direction on this one. if you want to believe it, than it shall be true. While you are at it, don't even try to promote cams because their sales are sinking so bad, by the end of the year they will all be out of business because of those girls who are accepting paypal to do private cam shows.

BlackCrayon · 03-14-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

Why would she do the show when she can just take the 50 bucks and disappear? On the other side of the coin, why would the guy not chargeback the 50 bucks after the show is done? There is no protection provided.

ErectMedia · 03-14-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

I'm not saying it can't get bad in the future but as of today most of these free ones I have looked at it takes 20 minutes to find a girl that is even half assed pretty and then when I do find one she is broadcasting on my first web cam where the quality is horrible in a room with hundreds of users and not devoting any personal time to any of them. I think they can pull away the cheap ass but the whales that spend $500+ a month are looking for personal time which won't happen in a free room as anytime something is free it will be loaded with jerk offs that distract the girl away from the guy seeking 1 on 1 time. I think if the girl is hot, spends time communicating with the users and broadcasts on good equipment she has no worries over free cam sites. The cam girls on the paid sites can see exactly how much money is in each users account and generally jump to talk to the ones with cash. I don't see them giving that up to be in a room with hundreds or thousands of users with no money as they generally ignore users on paid sites unless they see money in their account or they boot them out if they don't load their account. What cam girl wants to deal with chargebacks through paypal or going to a p.o. box to pick up gifts from some guy she hopes isn't hiding in the bushes at the post office. Turn on the cam, talk to the guys with dough and get a wire to the bank each month sounds a lot easier. Hot girls with personality and good cam equipment have nothing to worry about.

Domain Diva · 03-14-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Why would she do the show when she can just take the 50 bucks and disappear? On the other side of the coin, why would the guy not chargeback the 50 bucks after the show is done? There is no protection provided.

You are correct ..amateur cam girls have been operating on yahoo messenger and msn etc for years its nothing new.....but many give up on it and join a site when they see all the paypal chargebacks etc and all the stolen c/c numbers that are used to spend $$$ this way.

Also working on a site not only gives you better billing protection but also produces massive amounts of viewers for you.

Choker · 03-14-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Honestly, you have no clue what you are talking about.

I gave several valid reasons in this thread, that people ignore because they want so bad to see "sweet justice". I could dispute every thought in this thread with factual reasons why it wont happen the way you guys think, but whatever. I think I am going to go the other direction on this one. if you want to believe it, than it shall be true. While you are at it, don't even try to promote cams because their sales are sinking so bad, by the end of the year they will all be out of business because of those girls who are accepting paypal to do private cam shows.

What the fuck ever dude, I'm not wanting webcam sales to disapear, I have never done good with webcams, not even from my dating sites. Everyone says yeah cams do great on dating sites. Well from what I've seen and many others have told me this is not true.
Hell I send prolly 1000 hits a day to livejasmine teaser cams from surfers who have verified credit cards and the signups are practically non existant.

The only reason I'm even involved in this cam shit is becasue I was looking for webcam software so my dating site members can webcam chat with each other. What I found from searching around is what im talking about, especially the roulette chat craze. The projects that people are working on that I found while doing this research leads me to believe that paid webcams is gonna be hurting soon. It's my opinion, nothing more nothing less. I hope I'm wrong and webcams make a lot of people like you richer than you already are.

From what I can gather chatroulette is planing on leasing its site to other websites, sorta like a iframe thing.

Domain Diva · 03-14-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

I worked on cams.com im not sure if you still can be we could set our own price...I found the sweet spot for me to be 4.99...some others set thier price at $1.50 etc and really low deals......why was I the 3rd biggest earner from 5,000 models if it was as you see it ?...hell some of the other girls where simply 1 click next next to me ( and on the same site).

Its about quality..interaction and many other things...price doesnt really play a part in cams ..the proof and facts are there to see.....

Regarding the chatroulette software if you want a few links to some cool clone scripts of it that you could use on your site if thats what you need...you have me on icq.....

ErectMedia · 03-14-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberClaire

I worked on cams.com

pics or it didn't happen

lagcam · 03-14-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberClaire

...price doesnt really play a part in cams ..the proof and facts are there to see.....

Sorry Claire, that may have been the case, but the market (at least the Asian market) is much more price sensitive nowadays.

I see high spending customers moan at a girl for having a price of $1.99 or even $0.99 a minute and then go take a less pretty girl private at a lower price. They will often still spend the same amount of money, they just like to enjoy it more by taking it slowly.

It's all about value for money. Same as any business.

Domain Diva · 03-14-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

Sorry Claire, that may have been the case, but the market (at least the Asian market) is much more price sensitive nowadays.

I see high spending customers moan at a girl for having a price of $1.99 or even $0.99 a minute and then go take a less pretty girl private at a lower price. They will often still spend the same amount of money, they just like to enjoy it more by taking it slowly.

It's all about value for money. Same as any business.

The asian cam biz is a totally different sector of the cam market in my view....I do agree about value for money though and of course if your going to charge premium prices you have to offer a premium product. ( example I used a $1,200 cam and ultra fast connection etc and if I had have continued would have now invested in a HD option)

You will find in all industry and business both cheap and expensive (even free) exsist without affecting each other and in my view the cam market will always remain the same. ( at least for now)

Of course this doesnt apply to stolen content tubes v paysites etc thats a different subject matter totally.

fris · 03-14-2010, 04:54 PM

myfreewebcams has live girls, they pay them very well

UFGators2007 · 03-14-2010, 05:04 PM

Choker,

What I see as dangerously FREE are free shows where girls expose for tips: In these instances a few guys tip while the rest get a free full-nude show. Some sites discourage it, some sites appear to ban it, but it's becoming more and more common IMO.

Still, nothing will replace private 1-on-1 paid shows, since people are looking for emotional intimacy and personal online relationships.

Boobs · 03-14-2010, 05:08 PM

you can bet cam sites are NOT gonna go newhere.

UFGators2007 · 03-14-2010, 05:10 PM

Choker,

What I see as dangerously FREE are free shows where girls expose for tips: In these instances a few guys tip while the rest get a free full-nude show. Some sites discourage it, some sites appear to ban it, but it's becoming more and more common IMO.

Still, nothing will replace private 1-on-1 paid shows, since people are looking for emotional intimacy and personal online relationships.

HandballJim · 03-14-2010, 05:36 PM

I think webcams have a long way to go, although webcams have been around for a while they are still not used much in our everyday lives. For example I have friends who have long distance relationships. They chat on aim, facebook, email, and mail gifts to each other. But why the hell don't they just get webcams and communicate with a visual experience.

I feel the companies that sell webcams have lacked mainstream marketing and perhaps don't feel the product will generate enough income for them. I have not seen a commercial on TV pushing webcams.

The company I work for just invested big money in video conferencing and I am sure they could have found a solution with webcams though a large TV monitor.

I promote the fuck out of cams and I don't even own a webcam.

03-14-2010, 06:00 PM

I have been on Camz for 5 years. I have customers that I have been doing shows with for that whole 5 years. Once you get to know a person, they keep coming back to see you. Some people don't seem to get that. Any chick can stick a dildo up their ass, it is much harder to sit and chat with someone. To actually get to know them and want to talk to them.

I have been doing shows with one member who likes to just talk for 3 and a half years. We talk for two or three hours. He told me one night I was not, he went to talk to another model. When he told her he wanted to just talk and not have a toy show, she called him a weirdo and kicked him out of the show.

I don't think free web cam sites are going to hurt any of the large web cam sites. They provide a service. Plus I always hear from members that a lot of the ladies that give free shows or charge 99 cents a minute don't speak English.

Ladyboy King · 03-14-2010, 06:02 PM

Camfrog. Why would you ever need to pay for cam shows again? I meet so many chicks and shemales on there who do privates for me, it should be criminal.

marketsmart · 03-14-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

I have been on Camz for 5 years. I have customers that I have been doing shows with for that whole 5 years. Once you get to know a person, they keep coming back to see you. Some people don't seem to get that. Any chick can stick a dildo up their ass, it is much harder to sit and chat with someone. To actually get to know them and want to talk to them.

I have been doing shows with one member who likes to just talk for 3 and a half years. We talk for two or three hours. He told me one night I was not, he went to talk to another model. When he told her he wanted to just talk and not have a toy show, she called him a weirdo and kicked him out of the show.

I don't think free web cam sites are going to hurt any of the large web cam sites. They provide a service. Plus I always hear from members that a lot of the ladies that give free shows or charge 99 cents a minute don't speak English.

how much do you charge for a squirrel show? i would be interested in paying to see that...

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Bossman · 03-14-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

I don't think free web cam sites are going to hurt any of the large web cam sites. They provide a service. Plus I always hear from members that a lot of the ladies that give free shows or charge 99 cents a minute don't speak English.

Plus some are not really live - just playback of past shows

AaliyahLove · 03-14-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

WTF you talking about? "" The proliferation of free cam shows starring hotties has already begun. "" Where ? Camroulette, cam4 ?

"" Everyone is rushing in to get in on the new webcam fad ?""

Doesn't matter how many people rush in, free cam sites wont take away from ppm cam sites. If anything ppm cam sites are a great upsell on free cam sites.

Free Cam site: 95% cocks 5% girls

of the 5% Girls:

25% under age
25% over age lol (40+ and not attractive)
25% fat and not attractive of varies ages
20% average looking
5% attractive

If you find an attractive girl here is what your "webcam" experience is going to consist of:
1. Room full of dudes watching, most of them being dumb asses.
2. If it is a popular site 100's of people trying to type at once, as soon as you type it, it flies off the screen.
3. No interaction with the girl, you will be extremely lucky if she replies to you even 1 time.
4. No control over the action, she will do what she wants to do and wont take requests.
5. Dull "show". A lot of the time these girls sit there, non nude and just play around. You get the occasional flash etc...
6. Most cases crappy webcams, grainy and blurry and with slow connections.
7. No way to do 2 way cams when there is 100 guys in the room.

Taking everything about into account, the people who go to free cam sites are better off watching recorded webcam videos and making themselves think it is live. The vast majority of people who are regular viewers of free webcam sites are not people who would do ppm anyway. They are your tube site surfers or underage and don't have a credit card. There are some people who come across free cam sites that aren't satisfied and that is a great opportunity to upsell them to a ppm cam site. You will NEVER lose a ppm cam site member to a free cam site.

People who pay per minute for cam shows like to be in control, they want to tell the girl what to do, they like the privacy and not having 100's of other morons typing stupid shit while they are trying to talk to the girl. They like the interaction with her. They like the fact that they typically have 100's of attractive girls to choose from. Another HUGE thing you miss, is that ppm members like to come back and see the same girls over and over, something that is next to impossible to do with girls on free cam sites. They like the HD Cams, or multi cam angles, how the girl TALKS to them directly. Some of them like to have the girl watch them and do 2 way cams. I could go ON and ON about the night and day differences. There is no comparison.

Never mind the fact that free cams have been around as long as pay cams. Netmeeting goes way back to the 90's. Yahoo cams have been around for years. Cam4 has been around for 3-4 years now. ICUII cams or whatever that was that has been around for years. Paltalk, webcamnow, etc etc....

So what " proliferation of free cam shows " are you talking about and where are the "hotties"?

This is one of those things that is black and white if you have any understanding of webcam sites. There is no point arguing me on this, just trust me and take my word of it

lol

LIKE WHAT? please share, what is going on? Show me all these hotties doing free private shows, taking requests, and talking to me one on one, for free. Please do tell.

took the words right outta my fingertips

I'd like to see an attractive American girl that fucks her pussy and ass for free "because she just gets off on this kinda stuff" 5-6 hours a day, 5 times a week like it's a real job. Then follow up with emails to all of her best chatters, remembers them all by name, shows up the next day to do the exact same thing with a huge smile on her face, etc..

I have charged anywhere from $3.99-$6.99 a MINUTE and the same guys still take me private, some on a daily basis, for YEARS. because the like that 1 on 1 interaction. They like cam2caming and talking on the phone with me. Because I know them personally and they tell me their deepest darkest secrets..
They don't want to be one of many in a crowd, they can go see a girl fucking her pussy or ass with a dildo for free on any tube site, that's not the only thing webcam customers want...
I'm not worried about the "free webcam sites" one bit.

AaliyahLove · 03-14-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

Sorry Claire, that may have been the case, but the market (at least the Asian market) is much more price sensitive nowadays.

I see high spending customers moan at a girl for having a price of $1.99 or even $0.99 a minute and then go take a less pretty girl private at a lower price. They will often still spend the same amount of money, they just like to enjoy it more by taking it slowly.

It's all about value for money. Same as any business.

you know what I tell the guys that moan that my chat costs 5.99 a minute and there's asian and czech girls that charge 1.99 a min? "you get what you pay for" and you know what? sometimes those guys leave my room and take those girls private, and they come back to me crying that the girls "didn't speak english and didn't do what I asked and just took my money!" OR they take a chance on me and take me private and I give them the best show ever. And they come back for more.
I dare you to find a cam girl that charges .99/min that gives as good as a show as the American girls I know who charge 3.99-6.99. I've never found one. Every cam site I've worked for I've asked for $100-$200 in credit so I could shop around before I started working for them. and I found the same thing. Those girls charge next to nothing because they offer next to nothing in private. when you say "take it slowly" you mean "those girls take 5 minutes to take their bra off" no joke.

will76 · 03-15-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

What the fuck ever dude, I'm not wanting webcam sales to disapear, I have never done good with webcams, not even from my dating sites. Everyone says yeah cams do great on dating sites. Well from what I've seen and many others have told me this is not true.
Hell I send prolly 1000 hits a day to livejasmine teaser cams from surfers who have verified credit cards and the signups are practically non existant.

The only reason I'm even involved in this cam shit is becasue I was looking for webcam software so my dating site members can webcam chat with each other. What I found from searching around is what im talking about, especially the roulette chat craze. The projects that people are working on that I found while doing this research leads me to believe that paid webcams is gonna be hurting soon. It's my opinion, nothing more nothing less. I hope I'm wrong and webcams make a lot of people like you richer than you already are.

From what I can gather chatroulette is planing on leasing its site to other websites, sorta like a iframe thing.

The hoping cams sites crash in burn wasn't directed at you, just the other people posting looking for "sweet justice".

Your opinion about cam sites is wrong. Don't take offense, if anything try to learn something from this thread. You have a couple people here who have spent 10+ years only promoting cam sites giving you great advice. Paid cams wont be hurting, what has been explained in this thread by people who know what they are talking about should be valued more than your couple hours of looking around. Don't worry paid cams will not be affected by these new projects and current free cam sites.

If you can't make sales with livejasmin, maybe it is livejasmin or the way you are promoting cams on you dating site. It is amazing how your results can change by just making a couple small changes, using the right promos, etc... Minor things can make a huge difference in sales and conversions. If you want some help contact me.

Chatroulette is the last free cam site that would affect sales. I've explained why already in this thread.

I don't care how many projects "are in the works". There is always projects in the works and there will always be projects in the works. 95% of them never get finished or get off the ground.

will76 · 03-15-2010, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

Sorry Claire, that may have been the case, but the market (at least the Asian market) is much more price sensitive nowadays.

I see high spending customers moan at a girl for having a price of $1.99 or even $0.99 a minute and then go take a less pretty girl private at a lower price. They will often still spend the same amount of money, they just like to enjoy it more by taking it slowly.

It's all about value for money. Same as any business.

"typically" the asian girls work out of studios with a sheet behind them, and at least most of the ones I have seen aren't the best english speakers, their cam quality is bad, etc... You really can't command a high ppm price taking that into consideration. A drop dead beautiful american girl (english speaking), with a great personality, working out of her home who understands how to build a membership base of regulars and work her customers.... she shouldn't have a problem getting $3.99 a min even today.

I have no idea what the asians look like on your site, if they work from home, etc... just commenting on my experiences in general with asian chat host. When I hear " hey bb" I could shoot them lol. What the hell is a "bb" anyway.

VladS · 03-15-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

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Bla, bla, bla... and bla.

VladS · 03-15-2010, 01:25 AM

Cams sites are here to stay. Period. It does not matter the price, it does not matter the nationality of the model, it does not even matter the looks of the model, it's all about the personality of the model and how the model knows to "work the crowd". If the customer has money, the customer will spend.

Of course, customers look for the cheapest price, same goes in every field, be it porn or mainstream, but eventually, they'll pick what they really need/want, regardless of the price. As long as they afford, people will spend money on cams.

VladS · 03-15-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

"Particular" shows on Yahoo, MSN, etc... paid via PayPal, Western Union or whatever have been around for some time now, years and years... It's part of the cams business so to say. Cam sites can't do much about it, the models will always find a way to bypass that and make some extra money on "particular" shows. It's something that cam sites live with and it does not really make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

Why would customers pay $X.XX a minute when they can do "particular" shows? Streaming quality, ability to chargeback if the show does not live up to the expectations, etc... There are pros and cons about it from a customer point of view, but like i said, it's something that happens and it does not really make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

VladS · 03-15-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Why would she do the show when she can just take the 50 bucks and disappear? On the other side of the coin, why would the guy not chargeback the 50 bucks after the show is done? There is no protection provided.

The customer might want a show again in the future, the same goes for the model... their both interest is to keep their word and deliver what was promised. This type of "particular" shows happens very often in the cams business, but like i said, it does not make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

VladS · 03-15-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

[...] Hell I send prolly 1000 hits a day to livejasmine teaser cams from surfers who have verified credit cards and the signups are practically non existant. [...]

Test the waters and find the right cam site to convert your type of traffic. With all due respect for LiveJasmin, i would not send quality traffic to them. Give a try to VideoSecrets (Flirt4Free), LiveBucks (PrivateFeeds) and why not PussyCash (ImLive). Link to the free instant video chat rooms.

Ask the respective sponsors for some free credit to test the site where you'll be sending traffic. Get to know the site so that you know how to market/sell it. Keep testing until you find the cam site that converts best your type of traffic.

BlackCrayon · 03-15-2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R

The customer might want a show again in the future, the same goes for the model... their both interest is to keep their word and deliver what was promised. This type of "particular" shows happens very often in the cams business, but like i said, it does not make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

You'd think that would work for paysites as well, the customer likes the content, wants more but nope. They'd rather pay nothing and then move on to something else when it dries up.

ilnjscb · 03-15-2010, 07:44 AM

here's a conversation at myfreecams:

ericdazzle: throw a peace sign
ericdazzle: say my name at the camera
streeeeetch: is this live?
ericdazzle: I have tokens but you have to say my name
eat_ur_cooz: wave at the camera

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.

Kevsh · 03-15-2010, 07:47 AM

I already posted my views on this topic in another thread. Basically, don't worry about it - some viewers want McDonalds, others want fine dining and there's room for both. Nobody should be worrying or calling the paid-cam market in "serious fucking trouble".

On that note, if you happen to have paid-cam focused sites that are doing well but you want to get out 'cos Choker says you should, hit me up

$5 submissions · 03-15-2010, 07:49 AM

Be an intermediary. Also, sell scenarios and microniche fetishes. People aren't paying to see skin, they are paying to see skin that fits their fantasies exactly. One more step to ultrapersonal adult entertainment.

roly · 03-15-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

I already posted my views on this topic in another thread. Basically, don't worry about it - some viewers want McDonalds, others want fine dining and there's room for both. Nobody should be worrying or calling the paid-cam market in "serious fucking trouble".
On that note, if you happen to have paid-cam focused sites that are doing well but you want to get out 'cos Choker says you should, hit me up

people were saying this about online porn sales when tubes started appearing, and look what that did to the market.

will76 · 03-15-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.

There is no way to prove that ANY of the "girls" on free cam sites are not recorded videos. I could create a free cam site and EASILY fake it. Hell I should. I just need to collect enough recorded videos, I program 1 or 2 bot (ringers) in each room that ask the girl to do something right before she does it on camera. Or ask her a question and she responds. If you put a flashing live banner under the recorded video, and people see her reply to a couple questions everyone will think she is live / real. When they ask a question, being that there are 100's of other people in the room they know she can't reply to everyone.

Which proves why free cams suck and you might as well be watching a video, because it actually might be a video anyways. If watching a video does it for you, then you were never going to pay per minute for a cam show anyway because the personal attention, control, quality, etc.. all the benefits that goes with a ppm cam site were obviously not important to you.

RyuLion · 03-15-2010, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker

I just spent the last hour cruising one of the new free webcam sites, plenty of hot girls giving away free shows and yes doing what you ask, some girls just get off on doing this. Anyone saying this will not impact web cam shows is simply fooling themselves. This is not good.

Make sense.

candyflip · 03-15-2010, 08:48 AM

This thread about cams seems empty. It needs more Minniesporno.

ArsewithClass · 03-15-2010, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

here's a conversation at myfreecams:

ericdazzle: throw a peace sign
ericdazzle: say my name at the camera
streeeeetch: is this live?
ericdazzle: I have tokens but you have to say my name
eat_ur_cooz: wave at the camera

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.

Ive just signed our studio up to myfreecams.com and they do not do a recording. Maybe the model was either into another conversation on the free area or maybe she didnt like the ignorance of " I have tokens, say my name"??? Maybe a little "please" would have taken her a little further?

cherrylula · 03-15-2010, 11:14 AM

yahoo messenger has a webcam feature too and don't think there aren't tons of guys waiting cam2cam over there. this was years ago too.

03-15-2010, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

how much do you charge for a squirrel show? i would be interested in paying to see that...

.

It is way out of your price range. I will cut you a break if you do cam 2 cam, and I can see you take a thick 11 inch dildo up your ass.

03-15-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

here's a conversation at myfreecams:

ericdazzle: throw a peace sign
ericdazzle: say my name at the camera
streeeeetch: is this live?
ericdazzle: I have tokens but you have to say my name
eat_ur_cooz: wave at the camera

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.

It could be a taped session, she don't understand English, or the model just ignore's people that beg her to say their name. There are a lot of people in free chat that beg for shit or ask if the show is live.

sexdatesj · 03-15-2010, 11:28 AM

Alot of good points.. everyone has their own opinions..

will76 · 03-15-2010, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexdatesj

Alot of good points.. everyone has their own opinions..

there are "opinions" by people who don't know what they are talking about and have never (or rarely) promoted cams, and then there are "opinions" by people who have been doing this for years and make a lot of money from it.

And then there are drive by posters that don't have a clue in the fucking world, that reply with 1 sentence saying shit like "I agree".

GFY can be so comical sometimes. Everyone thinks they know everything about everything.

AaliyahLove · 03-15-2010, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

This thread about cams seems empty. It needs more Minniesporno.

oh shit, I just peed my panties laughing

AaliyahLove · 03-15-2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gsx-R

Bla, bla, bla... and bla.

I thought the same thing about your contribution to the thread.

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03-14-2010, 10:43 AM	#55
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03-14-2010, 05:36 PM	#70
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03-14-2010, 06:00 PM	#71
JaneB Guest Posts: n/a	I have been on Camz for 5 years. I have customers that I have been doing shows with for that whole 5 years. Once you get to know a person, they keep coming back to see you. Some people don't seem to get that. Any chick can stick a dildo up their ass, it is much harder to sit and chat with someone. To actually get to know them and want to talk to them. I have been doing shows with one member who likes to just talk for 3 and a half years. We talk for two or three hours. He told me one night I was not, he went to talk to another model. When he told her he wanted to just talk and not have a toy show, she called him a weirdo and kicked him out of the show. I don't think free web cam sites are going to hurt any of the large web cam sites. They provide a service. Plus I always hear from members that a lot of the ladies that give free shows or charge 99 cents a minute don't speak English.

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03-15-2010, 01:25 AM	#80
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03-15-2010, 07:44 AM	#85
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03-15-2010, 07:47 AM	#86
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03-15-2010, 11:14 AM	#93
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03-15-2010, 11:28 AM	#96
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