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Old 03-15-2010, 05:14 PM   #51
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100 sales a day of which you want $5 a sale.... What have or what are you doing for 500 a day?

Most affiliate programs offer this kind of payout because most affiliates make a sale or so a day. It gives them a generous income.

If your saying that he can push 100 sales a day? I have websites in my program that are full of exclusive content produced every week, however would offer $25 a sale, which would still give your friend $2000 a day and yourself the $5 a sale if you really needed that much.
just think, you do only 5 sales a month.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:20 PM   #52
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:25 PM   #53
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ill be hitting up everyone in t his thread as well
Why? I feel like a dumb ass even getting involved.

I can make you 100 sales a day but there isn't even a sponsor out there offering 10 bucks a day at 100 sales a day to make it worth my while?

goes with...

Let me sell my SEO BULLSHIT when I can take 10 top spots on any Search Engine and promote ten sponsors to make way more than the same...

yada yada yada i don't even want to get into the other shit!

Okay I will!

1:200 sales a day and why do you even need an affiliate?

If you're such great sponsor that converts why do you need $100 promos to get affiliates to promote you?

Just asking...

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Old 03-15-2010, 05:28 PM   #54
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So you're an agent for a whale? lol I've heard it all.

Yeah guys that can send that kind of traffic really need help finding good deals online.

Unless you happen representing yourself and using the agent idea to get an extra $5 per sale... which is not a bad idea ;)
i know its a difficult concept to understand but traffic brokering has been around since the dawn of clicks

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Old 03-15-2010, 05:32 PM   #55
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You're the rep for the reps?
think about it for a second

if your a whale and command the highest payouts in the biz and send to 10 different programs you have 10 different people you have to deal with for creative, payouts issues ect ect

with me they only have to deal with one and i deal with all the bs.

and get paid very well to do it thank you =)
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:33 PM   #56
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think about it for a second

if your a whale and command the highest payouts in the biz and send to 10 different programs you have 10 different people you have to deal with for creative, payouts issues ect ect

with me they only have to deal with one and i deal with all the bs.

and get paid very well to do it thank you =)
Yeah, $180k/year for that is not bad. Congrats!
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:35 PM   #57
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Yeah, $180k/year for that is not bad. Congrats!
180k? keep going up. i broker a lot more then 100 joins a day =)
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180k? keep going up. i broker a lot more then 100 joins a day =)
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:39 PM   #59
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i know its a difficult concept to understand but traffic brokering has been around since the dawn of clicks

Hey, you're right.

If you are able to actually get some kind of guarantee out of traffic at a rate of 1:300 using your guy's regular promotion methods... then that's great.

Picking the right program with high conversions and payouts is a skill. 30,000 uniques a day to send sponsors is no small number, and 1:300 ratio sure is better than 1:anything above that.

I just have a hard time seeing how a single person who's got the skills/experience/motivation to push that many sales couldn't also make the deals or find the programs to continue/expand what he does. But if you're really that good at what you do, and he's good at what he does, kudos to you my friend, you make a great team!

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Old 03-15-2010, 05:42 PM   #60
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180k? keep going up. i broker a lot more then 100 joins a day =)
Me too! I play by the minute, fuck that 1 zillion sign ups a day bull shit, that's for small timers!
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Hey, you're right.

If you are able to actually get some kind of guarantee out of traffic at a rate of 1:300 using your guy's regular promotion methods... then that's great.

Picking the right program with high conversions and payouts is a skill. 30,000 uniques a day is no small number, and 1:300 ratio sure is better than 1:anything above that.

I just have a hard time seeing how a single person who's got the skills/experience/motivation to push that many sales couldn't also make the deals or find the programs to continue/expand what he does. But if you're really that good at what you do, and he's good at what he does, kudos to you my friend, you make a great team!
it is a good team thanks. kind of a niche i carved out for myself after being a rep for a program for a few years. its symbiotic of sorts. i manage the programs for them, make creatives for them, deal with payout issues and whatever else at no cost to them. for them its a win win. and for the program its a win win. most programs pay 10% wm ref. i get a bit better then that for refering whales. they make more money on the volume sent.

everyone makes money =)
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:46 PM   #62
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Why? I feel like a dumb ass even getting involved.
im glad i took you off ignore just for that quote

thanks for playing! back on ignore you go =)
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im glad i took you off ignore just for that quote

thanks for playing! back on ignore you go =)
If you were from Hollywood CA instead of Hollywood FL you'd know never to put anyone on ignore, so hopefully you're lying, but I'm still trying to understand why someone brokers someone who is getting sign ups. The whole concept is too Hollywood CA for me to ignore without ridiculing to DEATH!
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it is a good team thanks. kind of a niche i carved out for myself after being a rep for a program for a few years. its symbiotic of sorts. i manage the programs for them, make creatives for them, deal with payout issues and whatever else at no cost to them. for them its a win win. and for the program its a win win. most programs pay 10% wm ref. i get a bit better then that for refering whales. they make more money on the volume sent.

everyone makes money =)
Right on.

From your experience, and in 2010 (not before the tube era), what do most programs that pay 35-40+ per paid trial consider a "whale" affiliate? How many paid joins per day on average do you have to send in that price bracket? 10? 20?
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Right on.

From your experience, and in 2010 (not before the tube era), what do most programs that pay 35-40+ per paid trial consider a "whale" affiliate? How many paid joins per day on average do you have to send in that price bracket? 10? 20?
when i started in this biz 10 years ago 100 a day was barely a whale

today if you can send 20 joins a day most programs will consider you a whale
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when i started in this biz 10 years ago 100 a day was barely a whale

today if you can send 20 joins a day most programs will consider you a whale
i think 20 joins a day is very good, especially at 1:200 sign ups that all sponsors push and 100 dollar promos. How can you lose?
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Okay so we're at 2000 dollars a day in the worse case scenario. Myself I don't know If I can manage with this but even at ten percent agent fees with 200 dollars a day I would probably be an agent if I had absolutely no talent whatsoever but could sell it.
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If you were from Hollywood CA instead of Hollywood FL you'd know never to put anyone on ignore, so hopefully you're lying, but I'm still trying to understand why someone brokers someone who is getting sign ups. The whole concept is too Hollywood CA for me to ignore without ridiculing to DEATH!
ok i took u off again so ill explain. do not ridicule that which you do not understand (not a jab just some advice)

why would a whale not want me to rep them to different programs. it doesnt cost the whale a dime. he gets many benifits from it. he gets to focus more of his time and attention on generating more traffic which in turn makes him more money. have you ever had to chase a sponsor for a missing payment or issue or creative? takes time from your day. time = money. they dont have to do that. thats what im here for.
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If you were from Hollywood CA instead of Hollywood FL you'd know never to put anyone on ignore, so hopefully you're lying, but I'm still trying to understand why someone brokers someone who is getting sign ups. The whole concept is too Hollywood CA for me to ignore without ridiculing to DEATH!
You're really creating great biz for your self in this thread champ
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no offense dude but 99% of the programs the guys i rep send traffic to pay them higher then the avg wm Because they can send 50-150 in a day with 0 to little maintenance.

unlike the guy that send 5 joins a week that wants everything custom done for him

so the logic of paying a whale less then some guy who send 30 joins a month just doesnt work here.

and as for my 5pps I bring my guys to the table. without me there are no joins from them. and I manage them so the rep or program owners only have to deal with me and my guys can concentrate on generating sales =)
Forest, the reason I said about the amount, wasn't saying that other companies do not give that amount. However, I was asking if you would be interested in sending good traffic to a decent up & coming company with new exclusive content updates for your traffic to become real & decent sales.
Sometimes more of less is better than less of more. Would you guy that has 100 joins a day, not be interested in sending some of that traffic to our collection of sites but I can only offer $25?


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just think, you do only 5 sales a month.
What are you even doing in this thread? Forest has decent traffic for decent content sites, not crap mrban sites with untidy camera work, awful design & a small amount of poor content! Now fuck off!
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Forest, the reason I said about the amount, wasn't saying that other companies do not give that amount. However, I was asking if you would be interested in sending good traffic to a decent up & coming company with new exclusive content updates for your traffic to become real & decent sales.
Sometimes more of less is better than less of more. Would you guy that has 100 joins a day, not be interested in sending some of that traffic to our collection of sites but I can only offer $25?




What are you even doing in this thread? Forest has decent traffic for decent content sites, not crap mrban sites with untidy camera work, awful design & a small amount of poor content! Now fuck off!
sorry dude but my guys wont do anything below 40pps for them. i appreciate the offer though.
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You're really creating great biz for your self in this thread champ
I have screenwriting credits and except for the whole WGA thing (which I consider a mafia shakedown) I can't understand the agent thing out here either. Seriously. I think I'm more curious than against what he is doing but I would speak this same why to an agent repping me just for the record.

Actually I'm probably giving him business bumping this thread right and good for him, if he can actually get things done...

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I have screenwriting credits and except for the whole WGA thing (which I consider a mafia shakedown) I can't understand the agent thing out here either. Seriously. I think I'm more curious than against what he is doing but I would speak this same why to an agent repping me just for the record.

Actually I'm probably giving him business bumping this thread right and good for him, if he can actually get things done...
you cant understand allowing someone to take the tedious side of your business away from you and doing it for you at zero cost to you with all the upside benefits that the time freed up brings?

wow
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I can see the boards being full of people offering to be brokers over the next few weeks after this thread.
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I can see the boards being full of people offering to be brokers over the next few weeks after this thread.
you have to have the product to broker
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wow
No, I totally understand when that can be accomplished and someone is making mega cash and someone else has mega connections.

My problem is dealing with the belief that either side is worth anything of value in this from the perspective of the other side during the transition of getting there.

Or course you have to start somewhere and all the power to you. Seriously. I can't help but laugh but with all due respect I laugh at Hollywood agents too.

I'm actually behind what you are trying to do and I'm not someone who can get 100 sign ups a day for some site I don't believe in just on webmaster skill. I'm straight up honest about that.
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good to see Far-L still comes around though.
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wow
in all actuality the person you are "brokering traffic" for is losing that extra $5 per join he could be keeping for himself. SOOO, in reality, there is a cost to him in the measurement of his lost money.

but to each their own.
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in all actuality the person you are "brokering traffic" for is losing that extra $5 per join he could be keeping for himself. SOOO, in reality, there is a cost to him in the measurement of his lost money.

but to each their own.
He is not losing $5 ....Thats what agents/brokers do....find work...best deals etc ...example if you sell a domain for me and I give you $50 have I lost 50 bucks ? ..yes I could have made 50 bucks more doing the deal direct but you did the work for me ..got the customer etc

Forest is doing his part of finding good deals etc ....I cant understand sometimes why some peeps on gfy cant grasp the whole broker/manager and agent concept...
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100 sales a day of which you want $5 a sale.... What have or what are you doing for 500 a day?
Does it matter if he is sitting by the pool smoking cigars and drinking hard liquer ???? its about the 100 sales....not WTF he is doing .....
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Yes seriously. I rep a guy who can push 100 joins a day. he currently does that accross several programs and has additional traffic sources he is looking to develop.

Here is what we are looking for

Minimum 45pps 40pps him 5 for me. programs that can do 47 will get better consideration

bi weekly payouts at best. weekly is prefered. epass as form of payout.

good content for creatives for him.

EMAIL ME ONLY! dont light up my icq. forest AT silverclouddesign.com

im looking for 3-4 solid programs and ratios around 1;300 on avg as thats what he does now.
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I'm interested in what your boy can do. Let's talk.

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sad to get in on the action I would need to do a double pre-check and hidden upgrade to be able to payout $47 a sale.

As a side note, I've brokered for a few for years, been a while since I heard of someone doing 100 joins a day to a porn sponsor that still needed a broker.

Shit at 100 sales a day for a 10% ovveride for me, I can just set him up with his own billing and sites.
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sad to get in on the action I would need to do a double pre-check and hidden upgrade to be able to payout $47 a sale.
Exactly.

After all the hell raising that the clowns of GFY did about x-sells and it "destroying the business for everybody" blah-blah-blah...here is a thread that is all about x-sells and draining a card dry. lol

How the hell do any of you think a program is going to make a profit by paying $47 for a trial membership? And then doing that 100 times a day. I would be bankrupted...UNLESS I made sure that everyone of those transactions made me TWICE that amount to make it worth it to me.

Think about it. One guy on here offered an honest site...and everybody laughed at him.

Second thought is this...how do you guarantee 100 joins a day? I don't know how to force people to buy a membership to anything in this world. Yeah, give me a few million in traffic like I once had and I'll market it and average about 50 sales a day.

But I'm just curious WHO has that kind of traffic now that isn't named "pornhub" or "redtube" And pornhub traffic has NOT converted for me worth a damn.

Just saying. This is a whole other realm of things here. This is not a case of people seeing a banner, text link, or hosted gallery and thinking: "I believe I'll join this porn site for the $1 trial"

This is strictly a numbers game and doesn't really have much to do with the porn biz. Not making judgement on anybody...money is money and business is business. I'm just sayin...
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:37 PM   #93
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sad to get in on the action I would need to do a double pre-check and hidden upgrade to be able to payout $47 a sale.

As a side note, I've brokered for a few for years, been a while since I heard of someone doing 100 joins a day to a porn sponsor that still needed a broker.

Shit at 100 sales a day for a 10% ovveride for me, I can just set him up with his own billing and sites.

Exactly. I understand completely how a broker works and for an average to large affiliate pushing 5-20 sales a day across a couple programs I can see the benefit. Tap into the brokers knowledge, receive a larger pps amount due to the brokers other clients also sending joins etc.

However for an affiliate that can send 100 joins a day they could receive the extra $5 per sale pretty easily brokering it themselves. And for the rest of the services that a "broker" would offer (creatives, answering emails, keeping up on new programs etc) they wouldnt need to pay someone $500 a day ($180k a year). For $40-$60k they could find someone more than qualified, especially if they didnt require in house.

But if the OP has been able to carve out a niche doing this for that amount of $$, more power to you.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:38 PM   #94
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Sent you an email can do $47 per sign bi-weekly on invite only interracial program. Tracking through epoch.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:27 PM   #95
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Good luck with the whale brokering. let us know who you pick and how it goes in a month or so.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:51 PM   #96
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guys what the hell is the problem?
i do the same numbers as forest...i spend the whole day dealing with sponsor programs and reps etc...sifting through the bullshit...its never ending

meanwhile the people i represent focus on making sales...and only have to come to one place for all the answers.


forest if you find any good programs i hope you share..lol
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:52 PM   #97
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What niche would these "additional traffic sources" be?
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Old 03-16-2010, 06:17 AM   #98
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Hey Forest, got somebody contacting you. How about a brokerage referral fee?
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Old 03-16-2010, 08:08 AM   #100
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Hey Forest, got somebody contacting you. How about a brokerage referral fee?
if my guy goes with them and they convert ill send you a flat referal fee for sure

make sure they said u sent them
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