What the Fuck is going on with CCBill Sales? - GoFuckYourself.com

Lord Voldemort · 03-10-2010, 07:11 AM

1 sale yesterday and 1 today, when I usually get about 10 a day.
anyone else seeing this problem?

Barefootsies · 03-10-2010, 07:12 AM

All I see is more "rebill failed" and "decline" emails.

candyflip · 03-10-2010, 07:14 AM

Scrub a dub dub.

andrej_NDC · 03-10-2010, 07:15 AM

Yesterday was good, today started slow, but my ccbill sales are just as good/bad as any other sales this month.

brassmonkey · 03-10-2010, 07:18 AM

why do people say ccbill sales. ccbill has paysites?

JamesK · 03-10-2010, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

why do people say ccbill sales. ccbill has paysites?

The sales are processed by CCBill so obviously they're CCBill sales you smartass

iSpyCams · 03-10-2010, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

why do people say ccbill sales. ccbill has paysites?

No, Paysites have CCbill.

And I am not noticing any difference between ccbill and other processors approval rates.

hawkadu · 03-10-2010, 07:30 AM

CCbill is sucking ass as well as other non ccbill sponsors.

CCBill Ratio :

1 to 5 March 1:1400
6 to 10 March 1:5000

Very bad sales since last 5 days or so. Month started OK but tanked all of a sudden. I was going to post a thread about this

HomerSimpson · 03-10-2010, 07:30 AM

same in here...

stever · 03-10-2010, 08:12 AM

i blame global warming

Beerbar · 03-10-2010, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort

1 sale yesterday and 1 today, when I usually get about 10 a day.
anyone else seeing this problem?

yep same here have been for a few weeks now, it not the declines for me it the form submission %. Where it used to be around 15% it is now 2 to 5% so where as before I would get 100 people to the ccbill page and get 15 sales now I'm only get 2 to 5 sales, ouch.

Tube site and the recession.... but they have been around for awhile and we have been doing ok but this is new, just been going on for a few weeks and its a dramatic, a major reduction in sales for us, like we have never seen before.

czarina · 03-10-2010, 08:34 AM

did the slowdown happen all of a sudden, or was it gradual?

Bhunter · 03-10-2010, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

All I see is more "rebill failed" and "decline" emails.

same here..
Some get billed by the Segpay Cascade.

SwirlsGirl · 03-10-2010, 08:35 AM

what the fuck happened to the webmaster that started a ccbull thread within the past 45 days ABOUT 200 FUCKING PASSWORDS being added to his site by ccbull, when he was not seeing the credited joins in his own admin!

He further mentioned that from his personal investigation he discovered they were passwords from a VARIETY of other ccbull sites!!

A webmaster is adamant about there being a 200 user descrepancy from his server logs and his ccbill joins in his admin. He comes into gfy creates a thread that really implicated ccbill.

I remember vividly how he did not accept the story ccbull was giving him about the added passwords. All I want to know is was it ever resolved.

nobody seems to want to touch the question with a 10 foot pole...aww screw it nobody cares

Bhunter · 03-10-2010, 08:38 AM

I think it's gettng time for me to move over to nats and add more CC and Direct Debit billers.

MrDeiz · 03-10-2010, 08:38 AM

some serious statement indeed. quoted to be sure everyone read it

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

what the fuck happened to the webmaster that started a ccbull thread within the past 45 days ABOUT 200 FUCKING PASSWORDS being added to his site by ccbull, when he was not seeing the credited joins in his own admin!

He further mentioned that from his personal investigation he discovered they were passwords from a VARIETY of other ccbull sites!!

A webmaster is adamant about there being a 200 user descrepancy from his server logs and his ccbill joins in his admin. He comes into gfy creates a thread that really implicated ccbill.

I remember vividly how he did not accept the story ccbull was giving him about the added passwords. All I want to know is was it ever resolved.

nobody seems to want to touch the question with a 10 foot pole...aww screw it nobody cares

SwirlsGirl · 03-10-2010, 08:41 AM

Let me just add that the 200 passwords added to this guys website were from a VARIETY of other ccbill sites that were NOT his.

Let that burn in real good. In case it is not registering...200 password discrepancy at 29.95 = about $6,000.00

Does anyone not find it curious that a $6,000 discrepancy in passwords could have something to do with the rampant drop in submission form percentages for many of us.

Again I am just looking for an explanation...could be a glitch, could be something more sinister.... we won't know if we don't ask the hard questions

MsCheyenne · 03-10-2010, 08:48 AM

I noticed a significant drop in new sales in the last several days. It happened all at once. I thought it was more to do with my website or just a crappy week instead of ccbill having anything to do with it. As I do not yet have a secondary credit card processor there is nothing to compare their approvals to. I will say that when I moved from ibill to ccbill some years about 5 years ago, the approval rating went way down.

Cheyenne

MsCheyenne · 03-10-2010, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

what the fuck happened to the webmaster that started a ccbull thread within the past 45 days ABOUT 200 FUCKING PASSWORDS being added to his site by ccbull, when he was not seeing the credited joins in his own admin!

He further mentioned that from his personal investigation he discovered they were passwords from a VARIETY of other ccbull sites!!

A webmaster is adamant about there being a 200 user descrepancy from his server logs and his ccbill joins in his admin. He comes into gfy creates a thread that really implicated ccbill.

I remember vividly how he did not accept the story ccbull was giving him about the added passwords. All I want to know is was it ever resolved.

nobody seems to want to touch the question with a 10 foot pole...aww screw it nobody cares

that is very alarming.

BNMedia · 03-10-2010, 08:55 AM

Our sales have almost ground to a halt this week as well.
We do have Verotel as a secondary processor to CCBill so I'm not sure we could blame CCBill?

SwirlsGirl · 03-10-2010, 09:06 AM

I found the thread after searching gfy... I think you will find it interesting to say the least...

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ghlight=avstgp

BFT3K · 03-10-2010, 09:46 AM

Someone posted that Visa is clamping down on high risk transactions. Not sure if there is any validity to that statement, but if it's true it would certainly suck.

In other words, when a person chooses to join an adult site (a high risk transaction) with a perfectly good card, the sale can be scrubbed, just because it is considered "high risk".

If that's true it sounds like serious corporate hanky panky, but I doubt any elected officials would go to bat for the adult industry, so I just hope it's not true.

webmasterchecks · 03-10-2010, 10:06 AM

people use the term ccbill when they are referring to general internet billing, imo

Pandoras · 03-10-2010, 10:08 AM

why don't you try with NATS and see the difference ?

sojproductions · 03-10-2010, 10:24 AM

It really is fucked... and unpredictable, if we have a crap ccbill day our cascade to Epoch is excellent, excellent meaning ALOT better than when we have a normal ccbill day - that suggests to me users are Un-Able to signup through ccbill and have no choice but to hit the epoch link... everytime i bring it up 'sorry, we have no problems at the moment'... people dont use our epoch link unless they have to, its not even that easy to find, so they must be pretty damn desperate to signup after ccbill declines / fails...

I'm starting to think it must be time to switch to NATS too... i dont have a problem with a slight variation - certain days slow, certain weeks slow and so on, but the figures im talking about are making cashflow impossible to predict

sojproductions · 03-10-2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras

why don't you try with NATS and see the difference ?

On the brink of doing so, but the costs and time involved to move over after 4+ years of ccbill are quite daunting...

DonX · 03-10-2010, 10:29 AM

yep same problem here

frankie_gunn · 03-10-2010, 10:44 AM

...yeah, March sucks..

TheDA · 03-10-2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I found the thread after searching gfy... I think you will find it interesting to say the least...

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ghlight=avstgp

If you had searched for the thread before you posted here you would have seen that it was a script issue and CCBill believe it's resolved.

Looks like you are just trying to stir up shit again.

96ukssob · 03-10-2010, 10:50 AM

ive noticed this more and more over the past few weeks. sales are 1/3 to 1/4 of what they were over a month ago, and im sending the same type of traffic that i have been for months now wiht no problems

Redfield · 03-10-2010, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossku69

ive noticed this more and more over the past few weeks. sales are 1/3 to 1/4 of what they were over a month ago, and im sending the same type of traffic that i have been for months now wiht no problems

Spring break time has always sucked for sales

Wizzo · 03-10-2010, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhunter

I think it's gettng time for me to move over to nats and add more CC and Direct Debit billers.

When you do let me know and we can hook you up with a solid EU DirectDebit solution!

Cyber Fucker · 03-10-2010, 11:04 AM

Russians ate all your cookies... plain and simple.

VGeorgie · 03-10-2010, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I found the thread after searching gfy... I think you will find it interesting to say the least...

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ghlight=avstgp

I thought at least some of the issues were resolved in that thread. Here are my experiences on the matter, and what I've learned.

(I'll jump to a summary now: CCBill has never cheated me, but their system is imperfect, has bugs, and "features" I may not care for. These are different complaints than outright fraud.)

1. The OP confused reservation numbers in the logs with subscription numbers. Apparently that caused confusion and made a CCBill rep think a username from another site's join had been added to his site. OP admitted to the misunderstanding, so this part of the mystery is a non-issue.

2. CCBill mentioned a few times about usernames being reserved in the htpasswd file upon unsuccessful (declined) signup. In my experience, the reserved username can stay there for a while (could be minutes to hours). It is eventually removed. The OP and CCBill came to a conclusion regarding this, too.

3. The process of reserved usernames is apparent if you have STORED usernames, as I do. Because my users are given a username from a prepared list, and the list is alphabetical, I can match up any and all usernames applied by CCBill with my master list. Though this very thing once perplexed me, now that I know what's going on it makes sense. I can also see that at no time has CCBill ever given someone a pass to my site without my being credited for it.

4. CCBill's system is NOT always good at removed expired usernames. Not sure they ever claim to be 100% accurate here, and there are many uncontrollable variables here anyway. Every once in a while it's a good idea to make a compare list of your htpasswd file and the active members list from CCBill. You can then manually go through and remove the expired usernames that are still there.

I do this every month or so, and usually there's one or two stragglers. On a few occasions they've realized this and have continued to access my site. For free of course.

5. I use Strongbox so I can see who logs in. On a few occasions I'd see logins for a username that I did not receive an e-mail confirmation for. The username was from my list, so I knew CCBill generated it.

What this turned out to be: CCBill allows expired members to rejoin for a particular amount of time after the expiration of a subscription. In my case, I have lower cost for subsequent months, so some customers take advantage of this. Costs less than rejoining all over again. When they do, they're given a *new* username from the list, but no new subscription e-mail is generated.

These usernames are "ghosts" and they appear connected to the wrong subscriptions. But there's no fraud going on here, just bad software design. CCBill's admin does not keep a history of usernames given out to a single subscription. Change a customer's username, and the old username can no longer be looked up. This makes trying to confirm signups with e-mail subscriptions very difficult.

I'll repeat: my system of STORED usernames, Strongbox, and manual compares have never shown CCBill to be cheating. At times there system may not be 100% reliable, though, so it's a good idea to do some manual maintenance every once in a while.

VGeorgie · 03-10-2010, 11:19 AM

On sales levels: there seems to be MUCH higher variability in sales on a day-to-day basis. I only have historical data to 2004, but definitely things took a turn mid-2008, where sales could drop 50-75% one or two days. Before that, I could count on fairly regular sales numbers, and of course higher sales.

Every site is different, but for me, mid-week is nearly always slow. So is Saturday afternoon to Sunday afternoon. Things pick up right before and during the first and 15th of the month. Fridays tend to be good, as do Mondays. Again, that's just my site and traffic. Could be the reverse for someone else.

All this points to people - at least my traffic - spending closer to their paydays. If before they used their credit cards for the float, they're not now using their debit cards for it. They have to wait until there's some money in there.

I get decline e-mails and I've seen only a slight increase in "Pre-Auth SC" (scrub) and "Pre-Auth BC" (I believe disallowed country origin). I'm seeing more declines from Insufficient Funds and bank declines. Neither of these would be the fault of CCBill.

CIVMatt · 03-10-2010, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

All I see is more "rebill failed" and "decline" emails.

NO SHIT, I have an inbox full of these, what the hell

rayadp05 · 03-10-2010, 11:29 AM

I use CCBill as a processer and the sales are continuing to flow in just fine for my site. No problems here.

redwhiteandblue · 03-10-2010, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkadu

CCbill is sucking ass as well as other non ccbill sponsors.

CCBill Ratio :

1 to 5 March 1:1400
6 to 10 March 1:5000

Very bad sales since last 5 days or so. Month started OK but tanked all of a sudden. I was going to post a thread about this

My CCBill ratio 1 to 5 March, 1:2359
My CCBill ratio 6 to 10 March, 1:1096

So, meh.

Anonymous_Coward · 03-10-2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGeorgie

I thought at least some of the issues were resolved in that thread. Here are my experiences on the matter, and what I've learned.

(I'll jump to a summary now: CCBill has never cheated me, but their system is imperfect, has bugs, and "features" I may not care for. These are different complaints than outright fraud.)

1. The OP confused reservation numbers in the logs with subscription numbers. Apparently that caused confusion and made a CCBill rep think a username from another site's join had been added to his site. OP admitted to the misunderstanding, so this part of the mystery is a non-issue.

2. CCBill mentioned a few times about usernames being reserved in the htpasswd file upon unsuccessful (declined) signup. In my experience, the reserved username can stay there for a while (could be minutes to hours). It is eventually removed. The OP and CCBill came to a conclusion regarding this, too.

3. The process of reserved usernames is apparent if you have STORED usernames, as I do. Because my users are given a username from a prepared list, and the list is alphabetical, I can match up any and all usernames applied by CCBill with my master list. Though this very thing once perplexed me, now that I know what's going on it makes sense. I can also see that at no time has CCBill ever given someone a pass to my site without my being credited for it.

4. CCBill's system is NOT always good at removed expired usernames. Not sure they ever claim to be 100% accurate here, and there are many uncontrollable variables here anyway. Every once in a while it's a good idea to make a compare list of your htpasswd file and the active members list from CCBill. You can then manually go through and remove the expired usernames that are still there.

I do this every month or so, and usually there's one or two stragglers. On a few occasions they've realized this and have continued to access my site. For free of course.

5. I use Strongbox so I can see who logs in. On a few occasions I'd see logins for a username that I did not receive an e-mail confirmation for. The username was from my list, so I knew CCBill generated it.

What this turned out to be: CCBill allows expired members to rejoin for a particular amount of time after the expiration of a subscription. In my case, I have lower cost for subsequent months, so some customers take advantage of this. Costs less than rejoining all over again. When they do, they're given a *new* username from the list, but no new subscription e-mail is generated.

These usernames are "ghosts" and they appear connected to the wrong subscriptions. But there's no fraud going on here, just bad software design. CCBill's admin does not keep a history of usernames given out to a single subscription. Change a customer's username, and the old username can no longer be looked up. This makes trying to confirm signups with e-mail subscriptions very difficult.

I'll repeat: my system of STORED usernames, Strongbox, and manual compares have never shown CCBill to be cheating. At times there system may not be 100% reliable, though, so it's a good idea to do some manual maintenance every once in a while.

we should make a list of all the people who assumed ccbill was frauding you or insinuating fraud with even the thought of it, when it turned out to be regular operating procedure. shows a lot of ppl are way too quick to jump the gun in assuming wrongdoing - these are the ppl that burn down all the bridges around them.

2MuchMark · 03-10-2010, 01:06 PM

LiveCamNetwork.com Sales Stats with CCBill:

Visits / # of Buys / Conversion Rate

Jan 2010: 17213 / 398 / 1:43
Feb 2010: 13612 / 414 / 1:32

And so far for the first 10 days in March:

March 10 2010: 4897 / 104 / 1:47

Promote us and give us a try! http://www.lcncash.com

BFT3K · 03-10-2010, 01:26 PM

CCBill sales exactly the same as last month. No better, no worse.

Longboat full of Vikings · 03-10-2010, 01:34 PM

CCBILL is declining most of the sales

qdtobbe · 03-10-2010, 01:41 PM

Same thing here. ccbill ratios sucks now a days

BFT3K · 03-10-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qdtobbe

Same thing here. ccbill ratios sucks now a days

CCBill or ALL ratios?

Could it be Visa clamping down?

Just wondering....

georgeyw · 03-10-2010, 02:07 PM

is this for one site or alot?

SteveHardeman · 03-10-2010, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGeorgie

On sales levels: there seems to be MUCH higher variability in sales on a day-to-day basis. I only have historical data to 2004, but definitely things took a turn mid-2008, where sales could drop 50-75% one or two days. Before that, I could count on fairly regular sales numbers, and of course higher sales.

Every site is different, but for me, mid-week is nearly always slow. So is Saturday afternoon to Sunday afternoon. Things pick up right before and during the first and 15th of the month. Fridays tend to be good, as do Mondays. Again, that's just my site and traffic. Could be the reverse for someone else.

All this points to people - at least my traffic - spending closer to their paydays. If before they used their credit cards for the float, they're not now using their debit cards for it. They have to wait until there's some money in there.

I get decline e-mails and I've seen only a slight increase in "Pre-Auth SC" (scrub) and "Pre-Auth BC" (I believe disallowed country origin). I'm seeing more declines from Insufficient Funds and bank declines. Neither of these would be the fault of CCBill.

That was an awesome post.

VGeorgie · 03-10-2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous_Coward

we should make a list of all the people who assumed ccbill was frauding you or insinuating fraud with even the thought of it
<snip>

Because many people don't read full posts or threads, and may misconstrue my original post because of your reply, I wanted to make sure it was clear my post was about CCBill **NOT** engaging in fraud. A least in my case. I make no assumptions about others.

There are MANY things I'd like CCBill to change - like a way to report a fraudulent transaction and mark it as blacklisted to prevent a re-signup on my site. (As it is, Jon or one of the others in the Fraud dept has to manually process the e-mail reporting the problem, and if you try to void the transaction before it batch processed - voids are always better than refunds - it's possible for the fraudster to just sign up again. Client Support apparently cannot do this.)

I'd also like a way to tag transactions with notes. Once a customer cancels you can't then go in and terminate the account because of (for example) password sharing. The option to do that is gone once the subscription goes into inactive mode - a serious shortcoming, IMO.

All this to note I'm not a CCBill cheerleader, and I see a lot of areas for improvement, but fraud isn't something I see them engaging in. In fact, just the opposite. I seem them as a company with a great deal of integrity. Their software lets them down sometimes, no more than that.

punkpred · 03-10-2010, 03:01 PM

Im dropping slowly one at the time all sponsors using ccbill

CyberHustler · 03-10-2010, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkpred

Im dropping slowly one at the time all sponsors using ccbill

Why....?

Fabien · 03-10-2010, 03:45 PM

It's not CCBILL it's the hole industry.

Why pay when you can settle for something "ok" for free ? Yeah sure it ain't what you really wanted but it does the job. Also, surfers are educated to not pay anymore for porn. Like in the musical industry in fact.

Add this to the money crisis, scrubbing, competition etc...etc....
You are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Tangible goods are the only way out (almost) Stuff that people can't get for free or micro niches.

03-10-2010, 07:11 AM	#1
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03-10-2010, 07:12 AM	#2
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03-10-2010, 07:18 AM	#5
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03-10-2010, 07:30 AM	#9
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03-10-2010, 07:14 AM	#3
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03-10-2010, 07:15 AM	#4
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Yesterday was good, today started slow, but my ccbill sales are just as good/bad as any other sales this month.

03-10-2010, 07:30 AM	#8
hawkadu Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 276	CCbill is sucking ass as well as other non ccbill sponsors. CCBill Ratio : 1 to 5 March 1:1400 6 to 10 March 1:5000 Very bad sales since last 5 days or so. Month started OK but tanked all of a sudden. I was going to post a thread about this

03-10-2010, 08:34 AM	#12
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,746	did the slowdown happen all of a sudden, or was it gradual?

03-10-2010, 08:35 AM	#14
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	what the fuck happened to the webmaster that started a ccbull thread within the past 45 days ABOUT 200 FUCKING PASSWORDS being added to his site by ccbull, when he was not seeing the credited joins in his own admin! He further mentioned that from his personal investigation he discovered they were passwords from a VARIETY of other ccbull sites!! A webmaster is adamant about there being a 200 user descrepancy from his server logs and his ccbill joins in his admin. He comes into gfy creates a thread that really implicated ccbill. I remember vividly how he did not accept the story ccbull was giving him about the added passwords. All I want to know is was it ever resolved. nobody seems to want to touch the question with a 10 foot pole...aww screw it nobody cares

03-10-2010, 08:38 AM	#15
Bhunter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,119	I think it's gettng time for me to move over to nats and add more CC and Direct Debit billers.

03-10-2010, 08:41 AM	#17
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Let me just add that the 200 passwords added to this guys website were from a VARIETY of other ccbill sites that were NOT his. Let that burn in real good. In case it is not registering...200 password discrepancy at 29.95 = about $6,000.00 Does anyone not find it curious that a $6,000 discrepancy in passwords could have something to do with the rampant drop in submission form percentages for many of us. Again I am just looking for an explanation...could be a glitch, could be something more sinister.... we won't know if we don't ask the hard questions

03-10-2010, 08:48 AM	#18
MsCheyenne Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 412	I noticed a significant drop in new sales in the last several days. It happened all at once. I thought it was more to do with my website or just a crappy week instead of ccbill having anything to do with it. As I do not yet have a secondary credit card processor there is nothing to compare their approvals to. I will say that when I moved from ibill to ccbill some years about 5 years ago, the approval rating went way down. Cheyenne __________________ ClubDom.com \| SubbyHubby.com \| ClubDomCash.com

03-10-2010, 08:55 AM	#20
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03-10-2010, 09:06 AM	#21
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	I found the thread after searching gfy... I think you will find it interesting to say the least... http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ghlight=avstgp

03-10-2010, 09:46 AM	#22
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Someone posted that Visa is clamping down on high risk transactions. Not sure if there is any validity to that statement, but if it's true it would certainly suck. In other words, when a person chooses to join an adult site (a high risk transaction) with a perfectly good card, the sale can be scrubbed, just because it is considered "high risk". If that's true it sounds like serious corporate hanky panky, but I doubt any elected officials would go to bat for the adult industry, so I just hope it's not true. Last edited by BFT3K; 03-10-2010 at 09:52 AM..

03-10-2010, 10:06 AM	#23
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Pandoras Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: ICQ : 449-718-239 Posts: 8,447	why don't you try with NATS and see the difference ? __________________ Find the right product for the right traffic only at TeenRevenue.com If you dont covert with TeenRevenue with your TeenTraffic within 24 hours of adding our links WE WILL CREDIT YOUR ACCOUNT !!! Sigh up for for more detials and find out more

03-10-2010, 10:24 AM	#25
sojproductions Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,160	It really is fucked... and unpredictable, if we have a crap ccbill day our cascade to Epoch is excellent, excellent meaning ALOT better than when we have a normal ccbill day - that suggests to me users are Un-Able to signup through ccbill and have no choice but to hit the epoch link... everytime i bring it up 'sorry, we have no problems at the moment'... people dont use our epoch link unless they have to, its not even that easy to find, so they must be pretty damn desperate to signup after ccbill declines / fails... I'm starting to think it must be time to switch to NATS too... i dont have a problem with a slight variation - certain days slow, certain weeks slow and so on, but the figures im talking about are making cashflow impossible to predict __________________ ICQ: 404-159-022 Blue Pixels Profits - Uk Solo Tranny sites & Crossdressing! Filthy Profits - Uk MILF Solo Sites

03-10-2010, 10:29 AM	#27
DonX Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 1,917	yep same problem here __________________ Monkey Spanking Cash 50/50 Rev Share Program DonX: 300599159 Galleries Click Here

03-10-2010, 10:44 AM	#28
frankie_gunn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 270	...yeah, March sucks..

03-10-2010, 10:50 AM	#30
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	ive noticed this more and more over the past few weeks. sales are 1/3 to 1/4 of what they were over a month ago, and im sending the same type of traffic that i have been for months now wiht no problems __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

03-10-2010, 11:04 AM	#33
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	Russians ate all your cookies... plain and simple. __________________

03-10-2010, 11:19 AM	#35
VGeorgie Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 359	On sales levels: there seems to be MUCH higher variability in sales on a day-to-day basis. I only have historical data to 2004, but definitely things took a turn mid-2008, where sales could drop 50-75% one or two days. Before that, I could count on fairly regular sales numbers, and of course higher sales. Every site is different, but for me, mid-week is nearly always slow. So is Saturday afternoon to Sunday afternoon. Things pick up right before and during the first and 15th of the month. Fridays tend to be good, as do Mondays. Again, that's just my site and traffic. Could be the reverse for someone else. All this points to people - at least my traffic - spending closer to their paydays. If before they used their credit cards for the float, they're not now using their debit cards for it. They have to wait until there's some money in there. I get decline e-mails and I've seen only a slight increase in "Pre-Auth SC" (scrub) and "Pre-Auth BC" (I believe disallowed country origin). I'm seeing more declines from Insufficient Funds and bank declines. Neither of these would be the fault of CCBill.

03-10-2010, 11:29 AM	#37
rayadp05 TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TrueAmateurModels.com Posts: 4,187	I use CCBill as a processer and the sales are continuing to flow in just fine for my site. No problems here. __________________ TrueAmateurModels.com Twitter TrueAmateurModels.com Affiliate Program

03-10-2010, 01:06 PM	#40
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,557	LiveCamNetwork.com Sales Stats with CCBill: Visits / # of Buys / Conversion Rate Jan 2010: 17213 / 398 / 1:43 Feb 2010: 13612 / 414 / 1:32 And so far for the first 10 days in March: March 10 2010: 4897 / 104 / 1:47 Promote us and give us a try! http://www.lcncash.com __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com

03-10-2010, 01:26 PM	#41
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	CCBill sales exactly the same as last month. No better, no worse.

03-10-2010, 01:34 PM	#42
Longboat full of Vikings So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 284	CCBILL is declining most of the sales

03-10-2010, 01:41 PM	#43
qdtobbe Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,688	Same thing here. ccbill ratios sucks now a days __________________ Trade Hardlinks at Linkspun \| Domains For Sale

03-10-2010, 02:07 PM	#45
georgeyw 58008 53773 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 9,864	is this for one site or alot?

03-10-2010, 03:01 PM	#48
punkpred Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,434	Im dropping slowly one at the time all sponsors using ccbill

03-10-2010, 03:45 PM	#50
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	It's not CCBILL it's the hole industry. Why pay when you can settle for something "ok" for free ? Yeah sure it ain't what you really wanted but it does the job. Also, surfers are educated to not pay anymore for porn. Like in the musical industry in fact. Add this to the money crisis, scrubbing, competition etc...etc.... You are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Tangible goods are the only way out (almost) Stuff that people can't get for free or micro niches.