Tea Party...Militia?!?!

[cwd]

I don't think the two party system is working well at all, but this may be taking it a little far...


Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/..._party_militia

[pussyluver]

Originally Posted by cwd

I don't think the two party system is working well at all, but this may be taking it a little far...


Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

Part of the balance of power concept. The mere fact that the citizens have the right to bare arms to protect themselves should slow politians from getting to power crazy. Has it worked?

[Tanker]

no it hasn't worked because we haven't enforced our rights

[Sausage]

I think the fact that your people can bear arms is a good thing. If the people feel the government is out of control they can do something about it. You are seeing the same sort of thing in Thailand, though they dont have guns. Sometimes people just have had enough.

[spazlabz]

McVeigh would be so so proud


spaz

[Martin]

Some people want to live in a nanny state where the government runs every aspect of their lives, some don't. These folks don't and I tend to learn more towards their side.

[cwd]

Seems like a slippery slope, and given Oklahoma's history with Militia's, well, it just doesn't seem like the smartest thing

[Tom_PM]

Recent political setbacks? What might that be referring to?

[pussyluver]

Originally Posted by Tanker

no it hasn't worked because we haven't enforced our rights

Are you saying that the time has come to enforce rights through some sort of civil disobedience or the organization of militias (besides OK)? Careful, your answer could earn you a spot on the "no fly" list.

Another right Americans enjoy is the vote. The vote might just be stronger that bullets and militias. Another right is speech. Many politicians don't seem to be listening to the majority and may find themselves out of a job.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by pussyluver

Are you saying that the time has come to enforce rights through some sort of civil disobedience or the organization of militias (besides OK)? Careful, your answer could earn you a spot on the "no fly" list.

Another right Americans enjoy is the vote. The vote might just be stronger that bullets and militias. Another right is speech. Many politicians don't seem to be listening to the majority and may find themselves out of a job.

Yes the right to protest and vote
Right now those three black politicians are under fire for saying they heard racial slurs crossing the street from the tea party members, with all the cameras rolling, no one caught it, they said they were spat on, again, all the cameras going, they can't prove it.
It's got to the point that their is an organazation dedicated to infiltrating the tea party and then throwing out slurs and spitting to disgrace the organization. People that are in the Tea Party are being peaceful and protesting the way government it spending money and thats their legal right.
It pisses me off when they are put down for using their constitutional rights to protest by liberals that just don't want to hear from anyone that has a different opinion, it's sad that the left is not listening to the people , but instead hoping to get it thru the court systems, just like in california
In california, we voted to end the support of the government to illegal aliens, but a judge said it was illegal to do that, he basically said fuck what the people say, im a leftist prick and I make the law. Now the gay marriage thing is back up and they lost trying to not listen to the will of the people and getting their way with the courts. It was in the paper today, they lost.
I can only hope that someday soon, some of these politicians get their wake up call from the voters and end up with out a job, too bad they still get paid after they leave office, thats something that should stop.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yes the right to protest and vote
Right now those three black politicians are under fire for saying they heard racial slurs crossing the street from the tea party members, with all the cameras rolling, no one caught it, they said they were spat on, again, all the cameras going, they can't prove it.
It's got to the point that their is an organazation dedicated to infiltrating the tea party and then throwing out slurs and spitting to disgrace the organization. People that are in the Tea Party are being peaceful and protesting the way government it spending money and thats their legal right.
It pisses me off when they are put down for using their constitutional rights to protest by liberals that just don't want to hear from anyone that has a different opinion, it's sad that the left is not listening to the people , but instead hoping to get it thru the court systems, just like in california
In california, we voted to end the support of the government to illegal aliens, but a judge said it was illegal to do that, he basically said fuck what the people say, im a leftist prick and I make the law. Now the gay marriage thing is back up and they lost trying to not listen to the will of the people and getting their way with the courts. It was in the paper today, they lost.
I can only hope that someday soon, some of these politicians get their wake up call from the voters and end up with out a job, too bad they still get paid after they leave office, thats something that should stop.

Good post!!

[Tom_PM]

Yeah, their latest ploy is to pretend that liberals are infiltrating them and are the ones making all the "mob" type shouts and posters and such.

Pretty desperate. Just relax and have some tea and a biscuit.

Maybe you remember "free speech zones" that the riot police would set up for liberal protesters during the Bush years. Maybe we need tea party zones. What do you think.

[VikingMan]

The social engineers will just herd these people so that they end up shooting other groups of Americans. Divide and Conquer The next American revolution will be a complete fucking joke. I bet 90% of these guys will surrender just by the government offering Big Macs and fries in exchange for their guns.

The Tea Party is just another diversion or shock absorber like Ron Paul.

My opinion is that everyone is going to get what they deserve. If you become fat, lazy, dumb, and spend more money than you make then you deserve what ever the elites have planed for you.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yeah, their latest ploy is to pretend that liberals are infiltrating them and are the ones making all the "mob" type shouts and posters and such.

Pretty desperate. Just relax and have some tea and a biscuit.

Maybe you remember "free speech zones" that the riot police would set up for liberal protesters during the Bush years. Maybe we need tea party zones. What do you think.

http://crashtheteaparty.org/

Yeah I remember the protests, it was about the wars, Obama has been in office for how long and how is the war going for you?

You know it's funny when Bush was in office we got a daily update of the death toll from the liberal media, now that Obama is sending troops, no more death tolls, did they stop dieing? Or is that not important to you?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Tanker

no it hasn't worked because we haven't enforced our rights

And say the people did that what would happen? They would be shot and killed and imprision if they survived. Any "militia" that thinks it can overthrow the government is stupid. Threatening a politician with death for not voting the way you want him to is not the way to handle things. There is a way to handle it. Its called an ELECTION.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Martin

Some people want to live in a nanny state where the government runs every aspect of their lives, some don't. These folks don't and I tend to learn more towards their side.

Hey idiot what is the purpose of these militias. To KILL people they don't agree with. How is that American?

[Martin]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Hey idiot what is the purpose of these militias. To KILL people they don't agree with. How is that American?

HAHAHAHAAHA dude are you being serious?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Martin

HAHAHAHAAHA dude are you being serious?

Well answer the question then moron. Why would the people in OK want to have a militia?

[cwd]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah I remember the protests, it was about the wars, Obama has been in office for how long and how is the war going for you?

Protests have always had there place. I am sure that people were protesting more than just the Iraq war with President Bush, just as people are protesting more than just health care with President Obama. But to have a group that is striving to become a political force announce that it wants to start its own militia to "defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements" is not looking for debate on issues or to vote out those they don't agree with. When your announcement states "Buy more guns, more bullets." you are simply trying to influence through fear, which is never going to help.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tea_party_militia

[Martin]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Well answer the question then moron. Why would the people in OK want to have a militia?

Go eat a bag of sun dried ball sacks.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Martin

Some people want to live in a nanny state where the government runs every aspect of their lives, some don't. These folks don't and I tend to learn more towards their side.

I don't like guns or killing or fighting. But I definitely do not want the people in power with all the fire power too, that is very very dangerous. The guys who wrote the constitution knew that militias were necessary just in case the government got out of hand. I actually thought the tea party was awesome when it started. Then after the Ron Paul campaign somehow Palin and Beck got in there and totally fucked it in the ass. Most of their beliefs are total opposite of the constitution idea that started the tea party. It almost seems like this "revolution" is planned and the followers are just being led to the slaughter, I hope they wake up to this.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Sausage

I think the fact that your people can bear arms is a good thing. If the people feel the government is out of control they can do something about it. You are seeing the same sort of thing in Thailand, though they dont have guns. Sometimes people just have had enough.

Yes because a few idiots with guns really pose a threat to the government. Please, the right to bear arms is fine to defend your home, but if you think a militia of ignorant rednecks can do anything against national guard/ army is just stupid. They will get arrested and sent to prison and justly so.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Martin

Go eat a bag of sun dried ball sacks.

Funny how you won't answer the question.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by GatorB

And say the people did that what would happen? They would be shot and killed and imprision if they survived. Any "militia" that thinks it can overthrow the government is stupid. Threatening a politician with death for not voting the way you want him to is not the way to handle things. There is a way to handle it. Its called an ELECTION.

What if you don't agree with the way elections are handled? Diebold?

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Hey idiot what is the purpose of these militias. To KILL people they don't agree with. How is that American?

I hope you're being sarcastic, HAHAHAHAH

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by mayabong

What if you don't agree with the way elections are handled? Diebold?

You know people bitch about how corrupt Congress is but continue to elect the same idiots over and over. So whose fault is it?

At any rate what good would a militia do in your scenario anyways? NONE. That's the point.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by mayabong

I hope you're being sarcastic, HAHAHAHAH

Then answer the fucking question.

[J. Falcon]

Why the fuck do people always speculate what the "founding fathers" wanted or favored or wanted that that was over 200 years ago? It was a different world, a different time. What was considered suitable back then would not work today.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Yes because a few idiots with guns really pose a threat to the government. Please, the right to bear arms is fine to defend your home, but if you think a militia of ignorant rednecks can do anything against national guard/ army is just stupid. They will get arrested and sent to prison and justly so.

A few idiots with guns? Try millions of Americans taking up arms. You think the police could stop that? You're a brain dead sheep. Besides if things really went that far American troops wouldn't turn on their own country men. I don't believe things have gone that far yet.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Yes because a few idiots with guns really pose a threat to the government. Please, the right to bear arms is fine to defend your home, but if you think a militia of ignorant rednecks can do anything against national guard/ army is just stupid. They will get arrested and sent to prison and justly so.

Ironically these same idiot go around saying "support the troops" and say how our army is the best in the world. Yet at the same time not only would they attack those same troops they feel our "best in the world" troops are so incompetant that a bunch of bubbas with deer rifles and shotguns can defeat them.

[BFT3K]

The fact that these right wing nut jobs are all sorts of vocal and frustrated - now that we have a black president - should speak volumes as to where their heads are at.

Where were they during the 8 nightmare years that were the Bush Administration?

To be honest, I would love to see the uneducated sheep, that watch Fox and listen to right wing propaganda, achieve their own back-assward country of their own!

It will be an isolated, hick-run, corporate owned, douche-bag country, where they can all worship Palin and marry their sisters.

More power to them! Palin 2012!

Assholes....

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Martin

A few idiots with guns? Try millions of Americans taking up arms. You think the police could stop that? You're a brain dead sheep. Besides if things really went that far American troops wouldn't turn on their own country men. I don't believe things have gone that far yet.

Millions? Hardly. Can our army stop that? Sure, our army has tanks, helicopters, jets, missles, nukes etc etc. A tank vs you and your shotgun. I wonder who wins?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The fact that these right wing nut jobs are all sorts of vocal and frustrated - now that we have a black president - should speak volumes as to where their heads are at.

Where were they during the 8 nightmare years that were the Bush Administration?

To be honest, I would love to see the uneducated sheep, that watch Fox and listen to right wing propaganda, achieve their own back-assward country of their own!

It will be an isolated, hick-run, corporate owned, douche-bag country, where they can all worship Palin and marry their sisters.

More power to them! Palin 2012!

Assholes....

Exactly. Texas governor talk about seceeding. Good do it. Good luck with that. Good riddance.

[J. Falcon]

I want to know where these tea party idiots were when Bush was raising taxes, starting bullshit wars, and destroying the country.

[Martin]

You guys honestly believe that American Troops will go to war against their neighbors, friends, family? People that look like them? Are you fucking that stupid?

[2012]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I want to know where these tea party idiots were when Bush was raising taxes, starting bullshit wars, and destroying the country.

up his ass

[BlackCrayon]

Hmm, if the 'founding fathers' wanted people to have guns so they can overthrow the government when they become out of control (or whatever reasoning) shouldn't that mean that attempts to kill government officials, including the president should be not only legal but a patriotic act?

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Why the fuck do people always speculate what the "founding fathers" wanted or favored or wanted that that was over 200 years ago? It was a different world, a different time. What was considered suitable back then would not work today.

Your right, we should throw away the constitution, and make something called the Patriot Act for these trying times. Is that you're words or a George Bush quote?

[Caligari]

The problem is an abundance of racist hicks in the US. They're having hissy fits because a black is president, a latino woman is in the supreme court and an openly gay man has a seat of power in congress.

This is their nightmare come true because in their warped minds its "the land of the free...if you're a god fearing WHITE amerikan."

The funny thing is Obama has been Bush-lite so far, he's towing the line like the rest before him catering to the corporatocracy and not answering to the people so....blech

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Martin

You guys honestly believe that American Troops will go to war against their neighbors, friends, family? People that look like them? Are you fucking that stupid?

"yeah"

singed- Kent State class of 1970

"Yeah"

signed- union and confererate soldiers

So who are the militia going to shoot at them moron? You go around carying a gun around unless you intend on using it.

[Tom_PM]

Obama campaigned on ending the occupation of Iraq (coming along nicely). And increasing troops in Afghanistan. He sent more than even military expected and they were delighted.


Oh and dont forget Confederate History Month in Virgina where slavery never existed, lmfao. What a boner that was for that newbie.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I want to know where these tea party idiots were when Bush was raising taxes, starting bullshit wars, and destroying the country.

They were in their hick trailer parks, waving flags like moronic puppets.

They were cheering on the very administration that could not give a flying shit about them, as they were not the rich.

They were busy calling everyone who did not support the idiotic Bush decisions traitors, and bad Americans... that's where they were!

Hypocritical, racist, douches, who are so brainwashed by the far right wing asswipes, that they continued to cheer on their own demise.

Obama is trying to help them, and they are so fucking retarded, that they believe what the multi millionaires on the right convince them to believe.

I would love them to have their own country - good riddance!

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Martin

A few idiots with guns? Try millions of Americans taking up arms. You think the police could stop that? You're a brain dead sheep. Besides if things really went that far American troops wouldn't turn on their own country men. I don't believe things have gone that far yet.

First of all, millions are not going to revolt. Second, you are talking about every day people who were never in combat going against an organized army. And yes, the army will turn guns on their own people if ordered to. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Or you don't remember the Ken State University shootings where UNARMED protesters where shot and some of them killed?

[Martin]

I've been following the Militia movement inside the US. They've been active long before Obama was even on the radar. They really got a boost after the events of 9-11. Stop with they're all racist red necks propaganda you have fallen for. They're resisting what they feel is a over reaching government.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Obama campaigned on ending the occupation of Iraq (coming along nicely).

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Martin

You guys honestly believe that American Troops will go to war against their neighbors, friends, family? People that look like them? Are you fucking that stupid?

Try reading some history. If that doesn't help, gather up some of your friends, grab some guns, and try to start a war on the government and let us know if they have sympathy for you.

[theking]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

First of all, millions are not going to revolt. Second, you are talking about every day people who were never in combat going against an organized army. And yes, the army will turn guns on their own people if ordered to. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Or you don't remember the Ken State University shootings where UNARMED protesters where shot and some of them killed?

Exactly...for the most part people in the military will obey orders and will kill whomever their Commander in Chief orders them to kill. Kent State is not the only example.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

First of all, millions are not going to revolt. Second, you are talking about every day people who were never in combat going against an organized army. And yes, the army will turn guns on their own people if ordered to. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Or you don't remember the Ken State University shootings where UNARMED protesters where shot and some of them killed?

There is over 300 million people in the US. There is 90 guns per 100 people in the US. It's the most armed nation on the earth. You think the army is going to take going to war with it's own people lightly? Do you really believe that all these gun owners are just billy and Bob with a couple shot guns? You don't know whats going on inside your own country.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Martin

I've been following the Militia movement inside the US. They've been active long before Obama was even on the radar. They really got a boost after the events of 9-11. Stop with they're all racist red necks propaganda you have fallen for. They're resisting what they feel is a over reaching government.

Yes and how is the government overreaching to them? What they can't enslave blacks like great-great-great grand daddy did? Once again if they fell the poweor at be are doig the job QUIT VOTING FOR THEM. Or here's an idea VOTE period.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://crashtheteaparty.org/

Yeah I remember the protests, it was about the wars, Obama has been in office for how long and how is the war going for you?

You know it's funny when Bush was in office we got a daily update of the death toll from the liberal media, now that Obama is sending troops, no more death tolls, did they stop dieing? Or is that not important to you?

and your point is ? Was the " non-liberal " media ( read Fox ..) reporting those deaths | daily " ? Are they now ? or both media no longer reporting it

Coalition Military Fatalities By Year

Year US UK Other Total
2003 486 53 41 580
2004 849 22 35 906
2005 846 23 28 897
2006 822 29 21 872
2007 904 47 10 961
2008 314 4 4 322
2009 149 1 0 150
2010 20 0 0 20
Total 4390 179 139 4708

http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/Index.aspx


Other question: Is it true that in submarine they lower the oxygen in the air you breathe ? Just wondering ...