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12-27-2002, 07:19 PM
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The Lack of Honesty in the Adult Field
My thesis is that there are two sorts of people in the adult area: real business people who are honest and hard-working and guys who might otherwise be a drug dealer or burglar who are totally untrustworthy and always looking for the short-cut to success.
Recently, I've been experimenting with TGP galleries and in checking on my galleries I've been visiting a lot of TGP's and here is what I run into: 1) blind links galore You click on an item in what appears to be a list of galleries, only to be taken to another TGP or the splash page of a website, OR you click on a thumbnail hoping to see a larger version of the pic and once again, you're off to another TGP or splash page. 2) links to illegal or troublesome content Often, these links are also blind. Before you know it, you're looking at CP, scat, or fisting. My eraser program has been running overtime lately. I know from my own work that you can find a 19 year old who looks 15, but when a kid looks 8 or 5...I think we can rule out the "looks young for his/her age" theory. While this has nothing directly to do with the credit card difficulties the industry has found itself experiencing, I'm sure this same sort of ethical laxity on the part of some has everything to do with the problems the rest of us are experiencing. I'm sure there are TGP's where you won't find these problems. Can you name any?
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12-27-2002, 07:21 PM
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Thats true in any business though
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I wrote a article about a year ago on AWI regarding blindlinking and popups being the future death of comercial income on the net - but thay all laughed at be and said CJ was the place to go.
I still belive it would be the death og the internet if it dont get controlled. Think about it: If blindlinking was converted over to another place, like phonebooks. You want to call "uncle Bob" but forgot the phonenumber. You go to some whitepage.com and find his name, and dail the number. But instead of "uncle Bob" you got some mexican phonesex line - Its the same damm thing.
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12-27-2002, 07:27 PM
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The Hun is the only TGP I'll surf.
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12-27-2002, 07:28 PM
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" You click on an item in what appears to be a list of galleries, only to be taken to another TGP or the splash page of a website, OR you click on a thumbnail hoping to see a larger version of the pick and once again, you're off to another TGP or splash page."
... yes, it is bad ... but don´t blame it on the webmasters, blame it on those fucking hosting companies ... those bastards really want money for bandwith !! |
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12-27-2002, 07:29 PM
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too much free porn...
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12-27-2002, 07:30 PM
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"But instead of "uncle Bob" you got some mexican phonesex line - Its the same damm thing."
... I kinda like that idea !! |
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12-27-2002, 07:39 PM
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Reputation is all you have! Don't fuck it up!
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nextgallery is one of the sites I trade with and they are absolutely spot on with their links - the sites I trade with are sites I used to surf - if you're having any trouble ask! (poacher turned gamekeeper  ) |
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12-27-2002, 08:00 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JackFoley
Spunky, you use a CJ script like everyone else.  [/QUOTEI dont really consider Traffic Manager 3 or any decent script a "CJ" script.Trading traffic is probably as old as Adult Sites. Its the sites you trade with that could be considered Circle Jerk.No Galleries and all trades going to another site and going in one big cicle..leaving the surfer even more pissed off cause he see's nothing but other trading partners.It all depends what you set your ratio for galleries...You have to give traffic in order to receive it
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I run real clean tgp sites and I get a lot of book markers every day but I could actually care less about the book markers cuz to me they are just a bunch of fucking freeloaders who book marked my site to get free porn, few of them are potential revenue streams to me so I have no problem blind liking them off my site after a few clicks Maybe I'm way off on this but it just seems like common sense to me |
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And if it takes tricking them off your site, that's the solution the second type of person I mentioned would choose. You've made your choice! I love it when a TGP'er complains about freeloaders, since you guys pretty much created and spoiled the freeloaders into believing that everything can be gotten for free!
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Result? Good productivity but next to piss all trafffic. As this is a numbers game, I find it diificult not to play the trading game rather than to send all my traffic elsewhere, but my trades (please not Cohen) get a surfer who has chosen to go to their site. |
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I agree with you 100% on the cp and scat crap but as far as preaching about how everyone should be more honest and not use blind links and give the users a better online experience on a free porn site, I disagree, if everyone followed your advice, there would eventually be no need for paysites. If you run a paysite, you should be glad that a lot of tgp's suck, its what motivates a lot of users to purchase a membership to a paysite Not sure how on one hand you can say tgp sites should treat the users better and on the other hand say we spoiled the users to begin with by giving away free porn |
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But this is a new side of the porn industry and still the entry level ($$) allows the Carpetbaggers to get in for a quick kill. Add to that all the new surfers and you have a recipe for snake oil salesmen to make a quick buck. But the market will steady and mature. The sites offering the right thrill at the right price and consistently delivering it will survive and prosper. Some will be ex carpetbaggers and pirates, some will be those in for the long haul. |
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In fact, I think I feel a tautology comin' on!
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Have you tried http://pornojpg.com/tgp/main.html - the guy who runs it is [email protected] and you can ask him how to use it best.
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But funny thing is Unseen, if I might play Devil's Advocate here for just one second ...
TGP traffic is traded by blindlinking a percentage of your links ... TGP traffic is where the very program owners that buy your pics get the vast majority of their signups from ... If they are not getting traffic, they are not getting signups, and without signups, they cannot afford to buy your pics ... Before you go off on an ANTI-TGP tangent ... think a moment about how it could affect YOUR business ... Like it of not ... TGP is a vital part of the adult internet food chain. Sure some TGP owners are a little more "deviant" than others, but the same can be said for content providers too, correct ?? - or any other group of individuals for that matter. If we are going to make the generalizations that ALL TGP owners are crooks, then lets not stop there, we might as well say that ALL black men are theives or rap artists ... that ALL muslims are terrorists ... all us Greeks like fucking in the ass, (well, okay ... you can have that one ..), but you see what I am saying here ?!?
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I agree that when you click on something that says: 15 blonde teen you better be taken to a thumb page that has 15 pics of some blonde bitch. Not some other TGP. I hate that shit. If I want to go to another TGP I will fucking do it on my own. I actually get a kick outta sexape.com - that site is so full of shit its funny. Sure, most of the links are good. But they fucking lie like rat bastards. He says "every link is what I say it is" - he is so full of shit I bet if he sits down he will drown in shit. If you make the claim you should back it up. I understand 'traffic trades' and all that shit, but there is no need to lie - this just pisses people off more than anything. If you want to trade trafic put something like XX Sex Thumbs Just do not fucking lie, just make you look like a little turd. 
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seems like a lot of people who ran cj sites switched over to tgp sites, but kept the cj concept of blind links. skimming hits from galleries to trades is more like sending them to a fpa instead of to the content first. can't give away all that free content for free and let surfers just run through all your galleries. |
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now that's entertainment!
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I think most people outside of the TGP arena are oblivious to the actual clout that TGP has in this industry ... alot more traffic comes from TGPs than searchengines .... and look at Sir SleazyDream ... how many Big Macs you think he's got invested in that gut ??? He's blinging like a muthafucker !!!
Anybody who is anti-TGP, should take a course in macro-economics ... Just my 
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No popups, no scripts and no blind links. Although the little thumbs I use as banners don't always have a lot to do with the destination, the text links are honest and every thumb has an honest alt tag description of where the link goes. And the status line shows the actual target url. Honesty is good business. My surfers come back. This means if I fail to sell them something today, I can improve my advertising or my sponsors and try again tomorrow. Bandwidth being dirt cheap, I can afford to let a "freeloader" come back a lot of times, if that gives me the chance to eventually sell him something. My traffic is not big, but it's damn loyal, and it's growing every day. |
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LOL@ TGP's with no blind links
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Unless the photographer truly understands the niche he or she is shooting for, it's worthless. And program owners shouldn't be putting up sites in Niches they don't understand. Cheerleaders is always my favorite example. I laugh every time I see a twenty five year old cheerleader in a plastic skirt. This is content shot by someone who doesn't understand the niche. What you basically have in the adult industry is content providers who don't understand the niche, and then program owners who use this content to make websites they don't understand. What you really need is a program owner who truly understands a certain fetish and can produce the "right" content.
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The issue isn't just dishonesty, but the fact that some guys are so shameless about it that they forget they are thieves.
Take the recent Eru thing for example. The guy is posting pics of home and car probably obtained with cash from his sites. No wonder someone eventually jumped on him. And curiously enough there was no stink about the guys who really bling from the same stolen content...It's like once your over a certain $$ level you are excused from your crimes. As far as misleading the surfer through CJ, well that barely registers on the dishonesty scale. Anyways it's the programs themselves that sustain it. If you get $50 per signup and are not worried about the rebills you will CJ and mislead the crap out of your surfer to make the sale with your sponsor. Eventually that sort of low quality will just come back to haunt you. High quality and honesty sells and retains. |
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This is what so many don't understand: The real key to making money AND protecting the industry is quality of product. Our industry's rep for fleecing the public is hurting us. And the excuse given is so frequently, "Well, everybody else is doing it." Actually, it's NOT true that EVERYBODY else is doing it. Businesses that are not doing too well do it. (I think Amazon was mentioned? Have they actually made a profit yet?)
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