JFC, what's next with Moniker? - GoFuckYourself.com

rowan · 04-27-2010, 05:53 PM

First they suspend a domain without informing me (I only discover by accident)

Now because someone complains that my domain profile site has "wrong information" about their site they threaten to remove privacy and reveal my details!!!

Since when is a registrar a fucking net cop?

Dear Sir/Madam,

Please see the following complaint.

As the owner of the domain name, it is your responsibility to address this matter.

If this matter is not addressed within 5 days, we will be forced to remove privacy from the domain and reveal the default contact information to the complainant.

Please keep in mind that Moniker.com can not mediate between you and the complainant.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Moniker Support Center

imabro · 04-27-2010, 05:56 PM

some people never learn

Domain Broker · 04-27-2010, 05:56 PM

Truly fucked up.

Domain Diva · 04-27-2010, 06:13 PM

The problem with many registrars regarding privacy is that they are willing to give it up easy and in some cases reveal it due to tech problems also.

If you would lke more details of the service I offer clients - true swiss domain identity protection that can be used at all registrars email me.

[email protected]

Thanks

AmeliaG · 04-27-2010, 06:16 PM

What do they mean about wrong information on your site, like libel? Has this person subpoenaed Moniker?

rowan · 04-27-2010, 06:16 PM

Absolute privacy is not the main concern, Moniker have flapped with that before, sometimes their privacy doesn't seem to work

It's the fact that they're trying to be like godaddy and playing net cop.

Revealing my details to the complainant won't be the end of the world, but what's next... they suspend my domain because he still doesn't shut up?

rowan · 04-27-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What do they mean about wrong information on your site, like libel? Has this person subpoenaed Moniker?

My site has a web crawler that gathers information about each site and displays it on a profile page. It's 100% autonomous. The complainant is saying that his site is closed and he wants his profile page removed. I can delete it but the data will just appear again because most of the information gathered is based on external references (eg anchor text, referers) from other sites... the crawler will continue to find that.

I doubt there's been any legal process since the complainant appears to be in Switzerland.

Since Moniker says they're not mediating I presume they pass on every abuse complaint - regardless of the content - with the same threat of revealing contact info.

Domain Diva · 04-27-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan

I doubt there's been any legal process .

You are probably correct and if you are it just shows how insecure domain privacy is with major registrars. ( not all)...sometimes all it takes is a phone call actually to get it

Obtaining or revealing private info without proper legal process shouldnt be allowed as it can cause huge damage to both the person thier family and possibly thier business.

If the correct papers have been served of course that is a different matter if the domain privacy service etc is USA based.

Although you mentioned its not the biggest concern you have it would be interesting to find out the full details for other domain holders that put thier trust in such a service.

Good luck with your dispute and hope it gets fixed to your satisfaction.

HandballJim · 04-27-2010, 09:12 PM

privacy just keeps the spammers away from your contact info, If you want to find out whois you just contact the register...

rowan · 04-27-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

privacy just keeps the spammers away from your contact info, If you want to find out whois you just contact the register...

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a law or at least a code of conduct being broken by releasing that information to a third party who asks for it. Imagine if every company suddenly started releasing their customer's details publically?

The other thing I'm concerned about is that if this issue isn't "resolved" Moniker are going to do something more drastic like suspend the domain.

alias · 04-27-2010, 09:21 PM

Try not to be so Australian next time, your backwards ass colleagues have ruined it for you.

HandballJim · 04-27-2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a law or at least a code of conduct being broken by releasing that information to a third party who asks for it. Imagine if every company suddenly started releasing their customer's details publically?

The other thing I'm concerned about is that if this issue isn't "resolved" Moniker are going to do something more drastic like suspend the domain.

If someone whats to find you they will eventually, and people will make fake claims regarding a trademark issue...which raises red flags with registers.

Instead of privacy, I have an LLC set up with a PO Box, and a phone number with an answering machine, and don't use the same email in the whois as the one your using for your register account. Privacy is added security but too expensive for 500 domains.

Domain Diva · 04-27-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

If someone whats to find you they will eventually, and people will make fake claims regarding a trademark issue...which raises red flags with registers.

Instead of privacy, I have an LLC set up with a PO Box, and a phone number with an answering machine, and don't use the same email in the whois as the one your using for your register account. Privacy is added security but too expensive for 500 domains.

Jim , I agree and disagree slightly with your statement.

Using most registrars I agree will not really protect your privacy.

Using a LLC and post office box offers a little better protection but it doesnt take much to find out the details of the P.O box holder and in most cases the directors/owners of a LLC. ( It can also get expensive)

It is not impossible to get total 100 percent protection ,the service I use for clients is guaranteed as not only is it offshore but no info is stored at the registrar or anywhere else online other than on encrypted data sticks stored in a safe depost vault.

Yes it does sound all James Bond type stuff and drastic but actually its a simple inexpensive service and to some people identity protection must remain 100 % at all costs due to family ,work and/for business reasons and could have serious consequences if breached.

At the end of the day its simply down to how much you need to and at what level you need to protect yourself.

HandballJim · 04-27-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberClaire

Jim , I agree and disagree slightly with your statement.

Using most registrars I agree will not really protect your privacy.

Using a LLC and post office box offers a little better protection but it doesnt take much to find out the details of the P.O box holder and in most cases the directors/owners of a LLC. ( It can also get expensive)

It is not impossible to get total 100 percent protection ,the service I use for clients is guaranteed as not only is it offshore but no info is stored at the registrar or anywhere else online other than on encrypted data sticks stored in a safe depost vault.

Yes it does sound all James Bond type stuff and drastic but actually its a simple inexpensive service and to some people identity protection must remain 100 % at all costs due to family ,work and/for business reasons and could have serious consequences if breached.

At the end of the day its simply down to how much you need to and at what level you need to protect yourself.

the LLC is set up to protect my personal assets just in case a legal issue comes up...and sure it is very easy to find out the owners of an LLC. I would prefer someone's lawyer to contact me directly regarding an issue instead of bringing an issue up with my domain register. If you have a lot of domains your bound to have an issue with a few. I have no problem turning a domain name over to a party if they show me proof of trademark infringement. But some people try and scare you into giving up your domains and I don't flinch.

You should just post the link to that Privacy service...

Domain Diva · 04-27-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

the LLC is set up to protect my personal assets just in case a legal issue comes up...and sure it is very easy to find out the owners of an LLC. I would prefer someone's lawyer to contact me directly regarding an issue instead of bringing an issue up with my domain register. If you have a lot of domains your bound to have an issue with a few. I have no problem turning a domain name over to a party if they show me proof of trademark infringement. But some people try and scare you into giving up your domains and I don't flinch.

You should just post the link to that Privacy service...

I understand the LLC protecting some of your assets and thought that might be a reason you had such.

One of the biggest concerns for many of my clients in adult is the fact that it is ADULT and it could affect thier work and or family if such infomation was to be exposed.

Due to the subject matter and views on this business It doesnt take much for someone to dislike what your doing and then going to great expense,time and trouble to find all the info they can..... then turn your life upside down......its a sad fact but true !! most dont think of it until it happens.

Regarding the privacy service,I would due to its nature prefer to recommend it to clients or people from here by email etc

Agent 488 · 04-27-2010, 10:41 PM

boring thread.

PornMD · 04-27-2010, 10:44 PM

Privacy at Moniker is a joke. A glitch some time ago caused privacy to be temporarily lost on some domains my partner had there. They restored the privacy but given places like DomainTools that keep whois history, the damage had been done and can't be undone.

That's why I have barely anything there myself.

rowan · 04-27-2010, 11:28 PM

So how's about someone make a frivolous complaint about a tube site that Moniker is the registrar for... you never know! :D

LoveSandra · 04-28-2010, 01:38 AM

fucked up

jrzeygirl · 04-28-2010, 06:15 AM

Rowan - Please hit me up either via email or ICQ wtih the details of this particular issue so I can have it investigated immediately.

Koodoo · 04-28-2010, 07:13 AM

Thanks for the headup. I'm moving all my domains away from them. Try answerable.com.

04-28-2010, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberClaire

If you would lke more details of the service I offer clients - true swiss domain identity protection that can be used at all registrars email me.

[email protected]

Thanks

Right. Lets do this. You register "microsoft-fucks-people-over.com" and use your super privacy and we'll see how long you last against ICAAN, the WIPO, UDRP complaints and a civil lawsuit for trademark infringement, cybersquatting and trademark dilution. They would also argue that you used whois privacy as part of your scheme to deceive and benefit unfairly from your acts at Microsoft's expense, and being that federal courts have already rule the use of whois privacy to be an act of material falsification that would not look very good.

You are one of the dumber people on this board.

Let me know the hour, minute and second you register that domain so I can call Microsoft and tell their IP attorneys that some goofy twat on a porn message board has it all figured out. Then I will start the stopwatch and count the minutes until you are found as the registrant of the domain and served with a lawsuit.

Cyber Fucker · 04-28-2010, 08:46 AM

This is some shity stuff

I can imagine I will have same problems one day when some scammer will decide to go for my business. Really, Godaddy and Moniker are getting worse with every day.

AmeliaG · 04-28-2010, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornMD

Privacy at Moniker is a joke. A glitch some time ago caused privacy to be temporarily lost on some domains my partner had there. They restored the privacy but given places like DomainTools that keep whois history, the damage had been done and can't be undone.

That's why I have barely anything there myself.

Does Moniker have an ownership stake in DomainTools?

SEO Expert · 04-28-2010, 01:43 PM

Moniker needs to receive a court order to release private info.

If they are doing it based on some looney email - fuck them.

Domain Broker · 04-28-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexes

Right. Lets do this. You register "microsoft-fucks-people-over.com" and use your super privacy and we'll see how long you last against ICAAN, the WIPO, UDRP complaints and a civil lawsuit for trademark infringement, cybersquatting and trademark dilution. They would also argue that you used whois privacy as part of your scheme to deceive and benefit unfairly from your acts at Microsoft's expense, and being that federal courts have already rule the use of whois privacy to be an act of material falsification that would not look very good.

You are one of the dumber people on this board.

Let me know the hour, minute and second you register that domain so I can call Microsoft and tell their IP attorneys that some goofy twat on a porn message board has it all figured out. Then I will start the stopwatch and count the minutes until you are found as the registrant of the domain and served with a lawsuit.

rowan · 04-30-2010, 06:27 PM

Reply from Moniker. I love the snide closing sentence...

"Hello,

we received a complaint and are passing it along. If law enforcement or judicial authorities get involved then yes, we will remove the whois privacy, and we reserve
the right to do so should we see the need.

Thank you for confirming you have received the complaint."

ErectMedia · 04-30-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Does Moniker have an ownership stake in DomainTools?

not that I'm aware of, TrafficZ bought domain tools a while ago http://thoughtconvergence.com/

HandballJim · 05-01-2010, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornMD

Privacy at Moniker is a joke.

That's why I have barely anything there myself.

who are you using these days and what are their rates, new reg., renewals, and renewals at 100 domains at a time?

Also domain tools sucks, my account had logging in problems from the 2nd I joined, then I sent an email to them and they tell me 2 months later they received the email and will look into it (auto generated) another month no news.

fris · 05-01-2010, 07:54 PM

moniker has the worst support ever.

where is barry, the so called stand up top notch rep for moniker

Davy · 05-02-2010, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

My site has a web crawler that gathers information about each site and displays it on a profile page. It's 100% autonomous. The complainant is saying that his site is closed and he wants his profile page removed. I can delete it but the data will just appear again because most of the information gathered is based on external references (eg anchor text, referers) from other sites... the crawler will continue to find that.

Sounds like it's time to add a blacklist to your crawler.

american pervert · 05-02-2010, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

moniker has the worst support ever.

where is barry, the so called stand up top notch rep for moniker

post #20

CaptainHowdy · 05-02-2010, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koodoo

Thanks for the headup. I'm moving all my domains away from them. Try answerable.com.

I wouldn't do that, Bari looks cute.

DaddyHalbucks · 05-02-2010, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

moniker has the worst support ever.

where is barry, the so called stand up top notch rep for moniker

Bari already posted on here about this, putting Moniker in the Top 1% of registrar support, IMHO.

DirtyJs · 05-02-2010, 07:49 PM

Has the issue been resolved?

rowan · 05-03-2010, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyJs

Has the issue been resolved?

The issue with the complainant has been addressed, but I presume Moniker's anal and intimidating approach to passing on complaints hasn't.

04-27-2010, 05:53 PM	#1
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	JFC, what's next with Moniker? First they suspend a domain without informing me (I only discover by accident) Now because someone complains that my domain profile site has "wrong information" about their site they threaten to remove privacy and reveal my details!!! Since when is a registrar a fucking net cop? Dear Sir/Madam, Please see the following complaint. As the owner of the domain name, it is your responsibility to address this matter. If this matter is not addressed within 5 days, we will be forced to remove privacy from the domain and reveal the default contact information to the complainant. Please keep in mind that Moniker.com can not mediate between you and the complainant. Thank you. Sincerely, Moniker Support Center

04-27-2010, 06:13 PM	#4
Domain Diva Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK/USA/Canada ICQ : 494318698 Email:[email protected] Posts: 10,180	The problem with many registrars regarding privacy is that they are willing to give it up easy and in some cases reveal it due to tech problems also. If you would lke more details of the service I offer clients - true swiss domain identity protection that can be used at all registrars email me. [email protected] Thanks __________________ Cams-Tube-Dating Domains Available At Trade Prices ! Domains For Sale ICQ:494318698

04-27-2010, 06:16 PM	#5
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04-27-2010, 09:12 PM	#9
HandballJim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 4,024	privacy just keeps the spammers away from your contact info, If you want to find out whois you just contact the register... __________________ HOW I MAKE LOTS OF $$$

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04-27-2010, 05:56 PM	#2
imabro Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 871	some people never learn

04-27-2010, 05:56 PM	#3
Domain Broker So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,427	Truly fucked up.

04-27-2010, 10:41 PM	#16
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	boring thread.

04-27-2010, 10:44 PM	#17
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	Privacy at Moniker is a joke. A glitch some time ago caused privacy to be temporarily lost on some domains my partner had there. They restored the privacy but given places like DomainTools that keep whois history, the damage had been done and can't be undone. That's why I have barely anything there myself. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

04-27-2010, 11:28 PM	#18
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	So how's about someone make a frivolous complaint about a tube site that Moniker is the registrar for... you never know! :D

04-28-2010, 01:38 AM	#19
LoveSandra So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just Blow Me Posts: 10,551	fucked up

04-28-2010, 06:15 AM	#20
jrzeygirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 819	Rowan - Please hit me up either via email or ICQ wtih the details of this particular issue so I can have it investigated immediately. __________________ ~Bari [email protected] Skype: jrzeygirl

04-28-2010, 07:13 AM	#21
Koodoo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 86	Thanks for the headup. I'm moving all my domains away from them. Try answerable.com.

04-28-2010, 08:46 AM	#23
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	This is some shity stuff I can imagine I will have same problems one day when some scammer will decide to go for my business. Really, Godaddy and Moniker are getting worse with every day. __________________ Last edited by Cyber Fucker; 04-28-2010 at 08:49 AM..

04-28-2010, 01:43 PM	#25
SEO Expert So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 428	Moniker needs to receive a court order to release private info. If they are doing it based on some looney email - fuck them.

04-30-2010, 06:27 PM	#27
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Reply from Moniker. I love the snide closing sentence... "Hello, we received a complaint and are passing it along. If law enforcement or judicial authorities get involved then yes, we will remove the whois privacy, and we reserve the right to do so should we see the need. Thank you for confirming you have received the complaint."

05-01-2010, 07:54 PM	#30
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,252	moniker has the worst support ever. where is barry, the so called stand up top notch rep for moniker __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

05-02-2010, 07:49 PM	#35
DirtyJs So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 307	Has the issue been resolved?