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Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I paid a designer today with no invoice. I will ask for an invoice, again... and if I don't get one, I will make one.

I then have the option to continue my work with that person or not... of course I will, not having an invoice isn't the end of the world when you have the documented emails on the job.

As I said, I am simply referring this over to lawyer so I am not going to go into it. I can assure you that there is a lot more to the story then being told here. I was just happy it was publicly posted play by play. Easy to print off. Plus I have three MODS who can verify all.

It's a simple concept. Do work. Send invoice. Get paid.

In the end, I hope it was worth it. It's going to cost him a lot more than $150.00.

Serge Litehead · 04-28-2010, 08:23 PM

toots pushing hosting and has no space on a server
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candyflip · 04-28-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

It's going to cost him a lot more than $150.00.

It would cost you a lot more than $150 to get out of paying $150, if there really was a lawyer or lawsuit. That makes absolutely NO SENSE at all, which is why most here will just think you're a liar, which is definitely the case at this point.

Brujah · 04-28-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

As I said, blah blah blah

You're no daisy. You're no daisy at all.

Nodtveidt · 04-28-2010, 08:28 PM

Wow, I've not seen a horse beaten this badly after death in a long time. Shall I bring my machete? I think we could make some horse steaks.

theking · 04-28-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambrinus

There is no lawyer.

The man sig whores/spams to make a buck or two here and there...so I am satisfied that you are correct.

papill0n · 04-28-2010, 08:30 PM

can i get that trainwreck pic posted in here please

candyflip · 04-28-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

can i get that trainwreck pic posted in here please

Serge Litehead · 04-28-2010, 08:34 PM

BIGTYMER · 04-28-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nodtveidt

Wow, I've not seen a horse beaten this badly after death in a long time. Shall I bring my machete? I think we could make some horse steaks.

Your avatar is REALLY sick man... You should change it.

Nodtveidt · 04-28-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Your avatar is REALLY sick man... You should change it.

Nah, the cat was quite comfortable in there.

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

As I said, I am simply referring this over to lawyer so I am not going to go into it. I can assure you that there is a lot more to the story then being told here. I was just happy it was publicly posted play by play. Easy to print off. Plus I have three MODS who can verify all.

It's a simple concept. Do work. Send invoice. Get paid.

In the end, I hope it was worth it. It's going to cost him a lot more than $150.00.

Based off the mild info in this thread, it appears you know how to pay him... just pay it, your invoice is the email saying he would do the work for that price. You don't need an actual paper that is all pretty with the word invoice on it.

Lawyer wise... they won't entertain it, the story makes no difference.

Fat Panda · 04-28-2010, 08:39 PM

Fuck it, I'm calling my lawyer too!

candyflip · 04-28-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Based off the mild info in this thread, it appears you know how to pay him... just pay it, your invoice is the email saying he would do the work for that price. You don't need an actual paper that is all pretty with the word invoice on it.

Lawyer wise... they won't entertain it, the story makes no difference.

Normal logic, as mentioned above doesn't exist in Douchetooties world.

This guy questioned him and he doesn't like that. So now he's just going to do whatever he can to deflect and not pay this guy.

You know what he's doing. I know what he's doing. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

Nodtveidt · 04-28-2010, 08:42 PM

My lawyer told me...oh wait, I don't have one.

Serge Litehead · 04-28-2010, 08:43 PM

lawyer will tell "Pay the man"

The Porn Nerd · 04-28-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nodtveidt

Nah, the cat was quite comfortable in there.

Does Angry Jew Cat know about this?

Sig.

Fat Panda · 04-28-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

Fuck it, I'm calling my lawyer too!

My lawyer told me that Barefootsies is a fucking idiot and to just ignore the stupid fucker...

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Lawyer wise... they won't entertain it, the story makes no difference.

Retainer.

Beyond that, I am not going to say anything else. I am simply going to gather up the information, and history, and turn it all over in the morning.

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Normal logic, as mentioned above doesn't exist in Douchetooties world.

This guy questioned him and he doesn't like that. So now he's just going to do whatever he can to deflect and not pay this guy.

You know what he's doing. I know what he's doing. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

As someone who hires people, gets hired and has had programs - when something like this comes up, legit, mistake, whatever - you do whatever it takes to make it go away.

Great example of why right here...

Brujah · 04-28-2010, 08:48 PM

He should've just stopped fucking with everyone else over the issue once it got too hot. Instead, he keeps bumping threads and threatening everyone else. He could've continued handling business as usual but no, he wants to keep it going.

2012 · 04-28-2010, 08:50 PM

see sig please

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

As someone who hires people, gets hired and has had programs - when something like this comes up, legit, mistake, whatever - you do whatever it takes to make it go away.

Great example of why right here...

Tried repeatedly. Publicly documented. Didn't work.

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Retainer.

Retainer is no different than if I called up a lawyer and hired them, it just means you pay a guy to listen to your bullshit more... and his one hour of work on retainer, is probably more than the amount owed.

If your lawyer is any good he will tell you this is stupid and when you lose you're going to have to pay the other lawyers fees and probably court costs, then he's probably going to tell you to pay the man and then take $200-300 off the retainer for you wasting his time.

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Tried repeatedly. Publicly documented. Didn't work.

My rant references paying him without an invoice - because you don't actually need an invoice if you know who/how to pay.

That's how you make things go away.... as you can see by this thread, being stubborn and not paying is biting you in the ass.

Robocrop · 04-28-2010, 08:55 PM

You got the same lawyer as pr0 I assume.

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's how you make things go away.... as you can see by this thread, being stubborn and not paying is biting you in the ass.

He claims it is about money. It never was otherwise he could have IM/EMAIL/PM/2nd EMAIL/PHONE/posted the invoice publicly on the board as requested me at any time. That's just the facade.

If you really wanted to get paid, and you had that many different options to get a hold of someone, don't you think you would have simply made the effort to be paid? I mean really? In the end, I told him I did not want his code but would pay him anyway to get him to piss off. That also was posted publicly. He never made an effort. This has probably gone 3, 4, 5 rounds now. I have repeatedly, and publicly, offered to pay him.

On your other points, I agree with you completely. You're right.

Serge Litehead · 04-28-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Retainer.

Beyond that, I am not going to say anything else. I am simply going to gather up the information, and history, and turn it all over in the morning.

guy does work for you and you threatening him for not providing you with an invoice for lousy $150? i remember thread where u were fucking laughing at designers who demand prepay although I'm sure you would never (maybe with few exceptions) deliver before collecting. this is some fucked up contradicting twisted shit right here.

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You don't get it Doc. He claims it is about money. It never was.

On your other points, I agree with you completely.

It doesn't make a shit what you or me think it's about - this is the only fact that you need to focus on.

"Paying him, makes this all go away"

If you paid him, posted the proof of that - everyone would be hamming him instead of you, but because you didn't - it's here, now... it's very very very simple logic.

I would swallow my pride here and pay up, speaking from personal experience.

Serge Litehead · 04-28-2010, 09:02 PM

you prolly forgot this:

What goes around, comes around

Nodtveidt · 04-28-2010, 09:05 PM

Some business owners do not pay an invoice if there is no invoice to pay. It's plain and simple record keeping. No invoice, no pay. Pretty simple, IMO.

CYF · 04-28-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nodtveidt

Some business owners do not pay an invoice if there is no invoice to pay. It's plain and simple record keeping. No invoice, no pay. Pretty simple, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Senior_Spank

I wrote a script for him to rip videos off of a foot fetish website. Agreed upon price was $150, he never paid up.

A quote from another forum where he admits that I should send him an invoice; that's great and all but he has me blocked from all forms of messenger and refuses to provide an e-mail address to send the invoice.

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nodtveidt

Some business owners do not pay an invoice if there is no invoice to pay. It's plain and simple record keeping. No invoice, no pay. Pretty simple, IMO.

Exactly.

It's because people do not get you the invoices once you pay them. I have had this issue with many over the years, which is why I now do it this way to make sure I get my docs for taxes.

That said, this guy could have contacted me any number of ways to be paid. I have yet to receive any EMAIL/IM/PM/PHONE CALL from him. Hell, he could have posted it ON THE FORUM and it would have been paid immediately.

spacedog · 04-28-2010, 09:11 PM

Damn, lol

an easy solution would of been to send paypal.. Win Win for everybody.

coder gets paid.. barefootsies gets invoice from paypal...

But no, that would of been far less entertaining.

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nodtveidt

Some business owners do not pay an invoice if there is no invoice to pay. It's plain and simple record keeping. No invoice, no pay. Pretty simple, IMO.

Agreed....I tend not to pay without an invoice, I have no issues forcing people to send me an invoice. I do sometimes make acceptations... like one guy couldn't email me, tried from several accounts - so I just paid him.

Now, if someone took something like this to the boards, being that I own my own company, I can bend the rules to end the situation when I know who to pay.

This is round two of the issue... it could have been solved on round one.

End of the day... I can print the job emails as my invoice and hand write who I paid on it, that's still a legal invoice.

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

great and all but he has me blocked from all forms of messenger and refuses to provide an e-mail address to send the invoice.

Oh yeah?

Nor could he send it to my company's email, or the email he was literally blowing up for a week and a half, nor did he PM me through IQ69's mail system, nor has he provided an invoice on the forum or a way to pay him.

I guess all those were blocked also.

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

an easy solution would of been to send paypal.. Win Win for everybody.

coder gets paid.. barefootsies gets invoice from paypal...

He has to provide me his PP. Which he could have done easily enough.

It was repeatedly asked for along with invoice, publicly on forum!

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Exactly.

It's because people do not get you the invoices once you pay them. I have had this issue with many over the years, which is why I now do it this way to make sure I get my docs for taxes.

That said, this guy could have contacted me any number of ways to be paid. I have yet to receive any EMAIL/IM/PM/PHONE CALL from him. Hell, he could have posted it ON THE FORUM and it would have been paid immediately.

And you could have just paid him.... it goes both ways.

You could pay him right now and end this thread.... but it's going to continue on for several pages I would guess for several days - simply because you won't pay him.

Senior_Spank · 04-28-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That said, this guy could have contacted me any number of ways to be paid. I have yet to receive any EMAIL/IM/PM/PHONE CALL from him. Hell, he could have posted it ON THE FORUM and it would have been paid immediately.

I am unable to locate the e-mail you sent me. Whoa is me, I use multiple computers and sometimes it happens.

You first stopped responding to all IM messages, then you seem to have blocked me 100%.

PM, yes I guess I could have. What should I have said to you?

You called me from an anonymous #, not sure how to call you back.

Here is your invoice, zkonsult. com/footsies.pdf - You will have to recreate the URL since I do not have 30 posts yet.

Richard

TheDoc · 04-28-2010, 09:17 PM

Weeeeeee solution!

theking · 04-28-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Senior_Spank

I am unable to locate the e-mail you sent me. Whoa is me, I use multiple computers and sometimes it happens.

You first stopped responding to all IM messages, then you seem to have blocked me 100%.

PM, yes I guess I could have. What should I have said to you?

You called me from an anonymous #, not sure how to call you back.

Here is your invoice, zkonsult. com/footsies.pdf - You will have to recreate the URL since I do not have 30 posts yet.

Richard

There is your invoice...now pay the man.

brassmonkey · 04-28-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Your avatar is REALLY sick man... You should change it.

isnt that just eating pussy

CYF · 04-28-2010, 09:20 PM

http://zkonsult.com/footsies.pdf

There's a link for you senior_spank

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You could pay him right now and end this thread....

I can send the money right now man. Where am I sending to? This has yet to be provided.

As for the lawyer reference. It has nothing to do with this payment. That is a separate well documented history with this guy that goes beyond this.

CYF · 04-28-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I can send the money right now man. Where am I sending to? This has yet to be provided.

As for the lawyer reference. It has nothing to do with this payment. That is a separate well documented history with this guy that goes beyond this.

http://zkonsult.com/footsies.pdf

there's your invoice.

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

http://zkonsult.com/footsies.pdf

There's a link for you senior_spank

you have sent $150.00 USD to zKonsult Consulting Services.

Quote:

Payment details
Amount: $150.00 USD
Transaction Date: Apr 28, 2010
Transaction ID: 3TB83814G36966717

See how fucking easy that was? Paid in less than one fucking minute.

spacedog · 04-28-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I can send the money right now man. Where am I sending to? This has yet to be provided.

It's on the invoice

CYF · 04-28-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

It's on the invoice

Senior_Spank · 04-28-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

See how fucking easy that was? Paid in less than a fucking minute.

Whatever issues I had with Barefootsies has been resolved. While his business practices seem to run a bit "spammy", he no longer has any outstanding debts with me.

Footsies, thank you for your payment. Best of luck to you and your business; I will stop thread crapping on your posts and bring up the fact your bill with me is now $0 on the other forums we both do business on.

Richard

Barefootsies · 04-28-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

It's on the invoice

Look at time stamp and my reply between posts. I was still typing.

Once received, was paid.

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