Learn how to legaly sh*ve affiliate sales in 2010!!! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

ShellyCrash · 05-06-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ATL_Ryan

This was done by an old employee and I was not aware of this. First off we don't even have ACH Check, PureVanilla, TrustCash, NetCash, Password By Phone, CCbill, SEGpay and any other 3rd Party, Prepaid, or Dialer Biller. Never have.

Only Segpay and merchant period. This is not correct and is being changed now.

So what you're saying is a rouge employee wrote your TOS for you in a way that didn't apply to your business?

Your TOS is a legal contract between your company and your affiliates, not something that should be left up to just any employee to craft on their own.

Don't know you guys, not trying to come at you, but REALLY?

IF this rouge employee theory is truth, are we supposed to believe these terms that don't apply to your business model came out of the sky?

So I guess the real question is this:

Are you guys the same company as SoloConverts or did you just copy pasta their TOS?

http://www.soloconverts.com/terms.html

BIGTYMER · 05-06-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

So I'm confused, you don't like cross sales, or you don't like big payouts, which is it?

What do you fucking think?!

What I can't like big PPS without fucking cross sales? NastyDollars does $100 days and do you see their fucking join pages loaded with cross sales below the submit button? No, you dont. I have nothing against cross sales if they are clear to the surfer.

I signed up because I heard about the $100 PPS Fridays. At that time I hadn't even looked at their join pages. I sent only a few hundred hits before I stopped the ads.

96ukssob · 05-06-2010, 08:18 AM

wow thats fucked. i was just creating a new ex-gf site and NOT using them

ATL_Ryan · 05-06-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

So what you're saying is a rouge employee wrote your TOS for you in a way that didn't apply to your business?

Your TOS is a legal contract between your company and your affiliates, not something that should be left up to just any employee to craft on their own.

Don't know you guys, not trying to come at you, but REALLY?

IF this rouge employee theory is truth, are we supposed to believe these terms that don't apply to your business model came out of the sky?

So I guess the real question is this:

Are you guys the same company as SoloConverts or did you just copy pasta their TOS?

http://www.soloconverts.com/terms.html

We have no relation to Soloconverts at all. And I don't know who wrote the T&C. I was made aware of this yesterday. We don't even have any of those billing options, so whoever added those terms was not informed and made a mistake.

ShellyCrash · 05-06-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ATL_Ryan

We have no relation to Soloconverts at all. And I don't know who wrote the T&C. I was made aware of this yesterday. We don't even have any of those billing options, so whoever added those terms was not informed and made a mistake.

Well, here's the heads up- your TOS for your AFL program is WORD for WORD the TOS of Solo Converts-

http://www.gfprofits.com/terms.html

http://www.soloconverts.com/terms.html

That's more than a "mistake".

Either the companies are related or your company knowingly plagerized their TOS.

BIGTYMER · 05-06-2010, 08:39 AM

Thats a nice login box on SoloConverts. I like the one on TeenCash.com a little better.

ruff · 05-06-2010, 08:48 AM

One more reason that I like CC Bill.

Cyber Fucker · 05-06-2010, 08:53 AM

I would never join such a program.

fuzebox · 05-06-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

What do you fucking think?!

I think you don't care about xsales as long as you are getting paid, unless there is GFY drama.

Fat Panda · 05-06-2010, 09:17 AM

WOW - Steer fucking clear of GF PROFITS!

andrej_NDC · 05-06-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamteam

95% of all chargebacks happen because the members ain't happy about what they've paid for.

Not true...chargebacks are almost the same on a bad and good members area.

TheSenator · 05-06-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

you don't have to
follow this simple list http://www.signbucksdaily.com/marketing/blacklist/

I only promote one out of that list because I have an inside interest.

thank you....

2012 · 05-06-2010, 09:46 AM

we're riding the gfprofits hate train today ....

TheSenator · 05-06-2010, 09:47 AM

exposed pwned .....

Shady ass shit for new webmasters getting into the game.

BIGTYMER · 05-06-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I think you don't care about xsales as long as you are getting paid, unless there is GFY drama.

Well you thought wrong. Thats what you get for making half assed assumptions.

Dreamteam · 05-06-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Not true...chargebacks are almost the same on a bad and good members area.

What do you call a good members area? Because maybe what you call "good" is still shit for me.

over38 · 05-06-2010, 10:35 AM

Pornguy, the nats links for Me And My Gfs isn't working for me:

http://secure.meandmygfs.com/track/MTE2MzozOjQ4/

Oops! Firefox could not find secure.meandmygfs.com

Agent 488 · 05-06-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ATL_Ryan

We have no relation to Soloconverts at all. And I don't know who wrote the T&C. I was made aware of this yesterday. We don't even have any of those billing options, so whoever added those terms was not informed and made a mistake.

everyone knows you are the same company. don't have to lie dude.

ShellyCrash · 05-06-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

everyone knows you are the same company. don't have to lie dude.

I would not be surprised if that were true. He already back tracked, went from the person who wrote the TOS being a "former employee" to having no idea who wrote it.

Honestly, coming clean that they are the same company is a hell of alot better than having everyone think you just went and ripped shit someone else's affiliate program.

mechanicvirus · 05-06-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

So what you're saying is a rouge employee wrote your TOS for you in a way that didn't apply to your business?

Your TOS is a legal contract between your company and your affiliates, not something that should be left up to just any employee to craft on their own.

Don't know you guys, not trying to come at you, but REALLY?

IF this rouge employee theory is truth, are we supposed to believe these terms that don't apply to your business model came out of the sky?

So I guess the real question is this:

Are you guys the same company as SoloConverts or did you just copy pasta their TOS?

http://www.soloconverts.com/terms.html

How dare you apply logic and reasoning to this situation. The poor guy is just trying to screw people out of their money

ATL_Ryan · 05-06-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

I would not be surprised if that were true. He already back tracked, went from the person who wrote the TOS being a "former employee" to having no idea who wrote it.

Honestly, coming clean that they are the same company is a hell of alot better than having everyone think you just went and ripped shit someone else's affiliate program.

First off I became the affiliate manager on April 1st. I don't know who wrote it. I just know it was someone before I was hired. So it would have been another employee. I already explained we don't even have any of those billers. So that clause was incorrect and doesn't apply.

Argos88 · 05-06-2010, 02:27 PM

Nobody should promote this kind of fuckers....

INCREDIBLE!!!!

ShellyCrash · 05-06-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

How dare you apply logic and reasoning to this situation. The poor guy is just trying to screw people out of their money

I know, I just can't help myself sometimes.

PornMD · 05-06-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ATL_Ryan

First off I became the affiliate manager on April 1st. I don't know who wrote it. I just know it was someone before I was hired. So it would have been another employee. I already explained we don't even have any of those billers. So that clause was incorrect and doesn't apply.

Better get a clue who you work for before coming here and getting pwned. Either you work for SoloConverts or you work for plagiarists, and from one of the other threads it seems your employers are content thieves as well. Do you really want to be defending them blindly? Inquiring minds want to know - is your company SoloConverts or just filthy plagiarists?

lazycash · 05-06-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

I would not be surprised if that were true. He already back tracked, went from the person who wrote the TOS being a "former employee" to having no idea who wrote it.

Honestly, coming clean that they are the same company is a hell of alot better than having everyone think you just went and ripped shit someone else's affiliate program.

The more likely scenario is that whomever was putting their affiliate program together was lazy and simply copied the TOS from soloconverts, you'd be surprised how often I've seen this.

Brujah · 05-07-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

you don't have to
follow this simple list http://www.signbucksdaily.com/marketing/blacklist/

Wow, if I used that list I wouldn't have any sponsors left. State of the Industry or is the list a bit aggressive?

Jack Sparrow · 05-07-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

So where to send? To a sponsor making 5 per cents per click and beeing super honest with counting everything or to a sponsor who makes me 10 cents per click and shaves some sales? I only care about the amounts.

Wow. You didnt just say that right. You as a sponsor (or flying a sponsors sig) are saying that its ok to shave? Because of what reason? Because they are making you a bit more money they can fraud? Amazing... I hope you know what that says about the company/program you have there.

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

What do you fucking think?!

What I can't like big PPS without fucking cross sales? NastyDollars does $100 days and do you see their fucking join pages loaded with cross sales below the submit button? No, you dont. I have nothing against cross sales if they are clear to the surfer.

I can imagine an affiliate thinking this, but a sponsor?

I signed up because I heard about the $100 PPS Fridays. At that time I hadn't even looked at their join pages. I sent only a few hundred hits before I stopped the ads.

Dont want to burst your ethical bubble. But im betting that as long as you make more money you dont care about the surfer and you dont give a 2 cents how they do it.

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Not true...chargebacks are almost the same on a bad and good members area.

Not true. If you have a good tour that represents the membersarea, and that membersarea is filled with the stuff the surfers is looking for you will see a lot less cb's and refunds.

What would you do when you see a tour with videos you like, you pay, and once inside you cant find what you are looking for.

Again, thats a weird statement for a sponsor to make...

andrej_NDC · 05-07-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Wow. You didnt just say that right. You as a sponsor (or flying a sponsors sig) are saying that its ok to shave? Because of what reason? Because they are making you a bit more money they can fraud? Amazing... I hope you know what that says about the company/program you have there.

I didn't say shaving is ok, I never did it and I was running a program for 4-5 years. But as an affiliate, I only care about who makes me the most money, I do not work to make unknown people happy, I work to make money.

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Not true. If you have a good tour that represents the membersarea, and that membersarea is filled with the stuff the surfers is looking for you will see a lot less cb's and refunds.

What would you do when you see a tour with videos you like, you pay, and once inside you cant find what you are looking for.

Again, thats a weird statement for a sponsor to make...

You are running a program for a few months, no way to know anything about CBs yet. I didn't have any CB for the first 6 months or so, then they started coming in, but I was always at 0.5%, no matter what members area I was testing.

CB = fraud
Refund = unhappy member

Also, you might want to respond to this:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=966672

BIGTYMER · 05-07-2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Dont want to burst your ethical bubble. But im betting that as long as you make more money you dont care about the surfer and you dont give a 2 cents how they do it.

And what makes you think that? Do you know me? Have I ever spoken to you before? No.

You know nothing! Have I sent surfers to bad sites before? Yes, I'm sure I have. And do I pull links if I notice it. Yes, I do.

I mainly run non-adult sites. I am not hurting for money. I don't need to screw my surfers. Put out a good product and they'll pay for it and keep paying for it. There is no need to screw them. You should know that.

IF YOU OR YOUR BUDDY FUZE SAY IT AGAIN YOU BETTER POST PROOF!

Dreamteam · 05-07-2010, 03:06 AM

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You are running a program for a few months, no way to know anything about CBs yet. I didn't have any CB for the first 6 months or so, then they started coming in, but I was always at 0.5%, no matter what members area I was testing.

CB = fraud
Refund = unhappy member

Dude listen .. You are wrong. Plain simpel.
Again do you have any idea what a membersarea gives the label "outstanding" ?

TIP: a lot of content does not mean the same as a good members area.

Also you state that CB = fraud & Refund = unhappy member

LOL Who are you ? Santa Claus ? Do you realy believe everything?

When people want their money back then they do a chargeback .. only a small % of the chargebacks are done because of real cc fraud.

Maybe they "say" it was fraud because a chargeback will always return their money ... 100% ... always.

So they say whatever they have to say.

I even tell you a bit more .. 7 out of 10 times when someone signs up as a member hes fucked in the ass and doesn't get what he paid for (besides the fact hes ripped an extra $80 because of the cross sales) . What would you do huh?

.

For me it's simpel when I see "one" chargeback from a sponsor when I do PPS with him then it ends .. It doesn't matter if I do $40 or $50.000 in sales with him on a yearly base ... chargebacks is "a no no" with PPS ... PERIOD.

It's time sponsors realize THEY NEED AFFILIATES & traffic. Not the other way around. I can dump a sponsor in a sec and I just replace him with a new one. Only takes a couple seconds. Sponsors can't say that.

Weird how some sponsors act like they are king shit of fuck mauntain.

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Davy · 05-07-2010, 03:08 AM

That's fucked up. Only idiots will promote them.

Jack Sparrow · 05-07-2010, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

And what makes you think that? Do you know me? Have I ever spoken to you before? No.

You know nothing! Have I sent surfers to bad sites before? Yes, I'm sure I have. And do I pull links if I notice it. Yes, I do.

I mainly run non-adult sites. I am not hurting for money. I don't need to screw my surfers. Put out a good product and they'll pay for it and keep paying for it. There is no need to screw them. You should know that.

IF YOU OR YOUR BUDDY FUZE SAY IT AGAIN YOU BETTER POST PROOF!

Take a chillpill and harden the fuck up a little. Im basing ALL my knowledge of you on how you present your "board persona". Isnt that what you and others are doing about me all the time?

If your 100% faulproof, why dont you show us some of your sites, lets see what comes up. But i guess you wont because of .... ?

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I didn't say shaving is ok, I never did it and I was running a program for 4-5 years. But as an affiliate, I only care about who makes me the most money, I do not work to make unknown people happy, I work to make money.

You are running a program for a few months, no way to know anything about CBs yet. I didn't have any CB for the first 6 months or so, then they started coming in, but I was always at 0.5%, no matter what members area I was testing.

CB = fraud
Refund = unhappy member

Also, you might want to respond to this:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=966672

For someone running a program for 4-5years you make some weird statements.

You "dont care about making "unknown" people money" ? Well i do. If my affiliates are happy they will keep promoting my programs. If i make them "happy" the return the favor by sending traffic. They get sales, they get happy, and I get happy because they are making me money too. Must be me, but i really thought thats what being a sponsor was all about. Guess we dont agree on that then. Or did i misread that too?

The fact that im running a program for a couple months doesnt mean i dont know ANYthing about cb's, refunds, or whatever. You think its that complicated to learn? Its not actually, and im learning 18hrs a day.

Thanks, but again, i hope to be a better sponsor then ..

BIGTYMER · 05-07-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Take a chillpill and harden the fuck up a little. Im basing ALL my knowledge of you on how you present your "board persona". Isnt that what you and others are doing about me all the time?

If your 100% faulproof, why dont you show us some of your sites, lets see what comes up. But i guess you wont because of .... ?

Harden up? If I called you something you'd defend yourself too. I don't know how my "board persona" relates to saying I'd do anything for money. If that were true wouldn't I have a sig with a refcode or something? I think screwing surfers only makes it worse for the rest of us. If you signed up for a free trial and got charged $120+ you wouldn't buy porn again.

As for your thread my very first post says "But isn't that just like all the other tube sites?". Did I say anything bad about you personally in that thread like you did to me? Nope. And I bumped it only after you just attacked me.

Jack Sparrow · 05-07-2010, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Harden up? If I called you something you'd defend yourself too. I don't know how my "board persona" relates to saying I'd do anything for money. If that were true wouldn't I have a sig with a refcode or something? I think screwing surfers only makes it worse for the rest of us. If you signed up for a free trial and got charged $120+ you wouldn't buy porn again.

As for your thread my very first post says "But isn't that just like all the other tube sites?". Did I say anything bad about you personally in that thread like you did to me? Nope. And I bumped it only after you just attacked me.

Im getting called stuff every week by people that have nothing better to do. 100% of them dont know me at all. At first i was trying to defend myself in every thread that had bullshit about me. But i learned that winning an argument with some idiots only costs me time. So im letting it be.

You have a company in your sig. Is it yours?

Relax again. We agree on the fact that screwing surfers is what kills this bussiness. As for my thread, you can keep bumping it together with teencat all day long. But THATS exactly how people will see other peoples board persona. If you hang out with the fakenicks, trolls, surfers and other useless trash on the board, you cant blame me for basing my judgement on that.

If i hurt your feelings, my bad but get over it. This is gfy. Welcome.

candyflip · 05-07-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Wow. You didnt just say that right. You as a sponsor (or flying a sponsors sig) are saying that its ok to shave? Because of what reason? Because they are making you a bit more money they can fraud? Amazing... I hope you know what that says about the company/program you have there.

Dont want to burst your ethical bubble. But im betting that as long as you make more money you dont care about the surfer and you dont give a 2 cents how they do it.

No offense, but isn't there a thread on the front page about you and the legitimacy content on your tube program? You have just avoided it and not responded.

I'd probably address that and lay off on trying to give others a lesson in ethics.

andrej_NDC · 05-07-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamteam

Dude listen .. You are wrong. Plain simpel.
Again do you have any idea what a membersarea gives the label "outstanding" ?

TIP: a lot of content does not mean the same as a good members area.

Also you state that CB = fraud & Refund = unhappy member

LOL Who are you ? Santa Claus ? Do you realy believe everything?

When people want their money back then they do a chargeback .. only a small % of the chargebacks are done because of real cc fraud.

Maybe they "say" it was fraud because a chargeback will always return their money ... 100% ... always.

So they say whatever they have to say.

I even tell you a bit more .. 7 out of 10 times when someone signs up as a member hes fucked in the ass and doesn't get what he paid for (besides the fact hes ripped an extra $80 because of the cross sales) . What would you do huh?

What would I do? I would ask for a refund, simple as that. But first of all, I would be smart enough to un-check the xsales I don't want.

And I'm not Santa Claus, no, I just processed transactions for over $2mil before and did all customer support by myself, so I think I know something about sales, refunds, CBs.

Jack Sparrow · 05-07-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

No offense, but isn't there a thread on the front page about you and the legitimacy content on your tube program? You have just avoided it and not responded.

I'd probably address that and lay off on trying to give others a lesson in ethics.

I will be addressing that as soon as i know whats going on. I can reply with a nice story but i rather figure things out myself before blaming it on someone. Dont worry though, i will take responsibility. And im not giving lessons in ethics here. But one shouldnt be holier then the pope. No offense.

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

What would I do? I would ask for a refund, simple as that. But first of all, I would be smart enough to un-check the xsales I don't want.

And I'm not Santa Claus, no, I just processed transactions for over $2mil before and did all customer support by myself, so I think I know something about sales, refunds, CBs.

Dont get me wrong, if you are telling me you did $2million in transactions i will believe you. But from the answers you are giving, it didnt sound like that at all.

ShellyCrash · 05-07-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

The more likely scenario is that whomever was putting their affiliate program together was lazy and simply copied the TOS from soloconverts, you'd be surprised how often I've seen this.

I think that's the case as well.

Best case scenario- a developer plugged a TOS in and it "slipped" someones mind to go back and replace it with their own. But that's probably not what went down since its been over 24 hrs since this shit started and GFProfits is STILL flying the plagerized TOS. They probably just swiped it and thought no one would ever catch on.

Its LAZY, its BAD BUSINESS, and its THEFT.

They are obviously aware that this is being looked at as they reworded the section that got this thread started.

They changed #5 to say:

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5. Our PPS (Pay Per Signup) Program is available on a limited basis. The "Pay Per Sale" Payouts are reserved for Credit Card Joins made through our Private Merchant Accounts ONLY. Recovered/cascaded joins will be paid on a 60% Revshare basis.

Which essentially says and does the exact same thing as before, just excludes the names of the third party billers you will not be getting commission on.

And still the rest of their TOS, for the most part, remains stolen content.

When item #2 for both programs read:

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2. You may use any text link as long as it is a proper description of the site you're promoting. For example, you may not use a text link saying "Click here to see Anna Kornikova naked" or make reference to child pornography or bestiality.

... how did they think this would go unnoticed? Its word for word the same across both sites.

candyflip · 05-07-2010, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

I will be addressing that as soon as i know whats going on. I can reply with a nice story but i rather figure things out myself before blaming it on someone. Dont worry though, i will take responsibility. And im not giving lessons in ethics here. But one shouldnt be holier then the pope. No offense.

I didn't doubt you'd address it for a second. I just thought that it was funny you were in here partaking in this "drama" when you've got a little bit of your own and weren't in there taking care of your own business first.

The last person you'll get a "holier than thou" attitude from is me. My shit stinks and I am fully aware of it.

Jack Sparrow · 05-07-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I didn't doubt you'd address it for a second. I just thought that it was funny you were in here partaking in this "drama" when you've got a little bit of your own and weren't in there taking care of your own business first.

The last person you'll get a "holier than thou" attitude from is me. My shit stinks and I am fully aware of it.

No worries. The thing is, to figure out what has happend with that issue in the other thread im depending on some other people to be online. I left them a message but they didnt respond yet. Theres a bit more to it then me just saying "its a rogue <whoever>" thing. I temporarily removed ALL adzones from the website untill i know whats going on and how to fix it. I want to make sure i have the best and honest answer i can give. Besides that, most people in that thread are trolls (NOT ALL) that have nothing lost in this biz but trolling and trashing. So im gonna answer mutt, not the other dumbwits there.

In the meantime, im doing my regular things. Like posting here

Again no offense taken, and i hope i didnt offend you with my reply.

Dreamteam · 05-07-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

What would I do? I would ask for a refund, simple as that. But first of all, I would be smart enough to un-check the xsales I don't want.

And I'm not Santa Claus, no, I just processed transactions for over $2mil before and did all customer support by myself, so I think I know something about sales, refunds, CBs.

Take it from me ... if they ask you for a refund then "YOU" are the pope who gives thumbs-up or thumbs-down.

When they just do a chargeback then you have nothing to say ... they just take the money back from you. PERIOD

Most people don't ask for a refund, most people don't even know where to do that because of all the cross sales ... On their visa statement they see
blal19ala19lain.inc - $39.99 / bjdsqhjdhjkdh.inc $39.99 / whatever.inc - $39.99

Do ya realy think they're going to investigate it? Be real man, they just ask their bank to recover the cash because they have no idea where it's comming from. And believe me the bank "WONT "ASK" YOU FOR A REFUND".

If you realy think that CB's (charge backs) are per sé fraud .. then ya are the most stupid sponsor/webmaster that I've spoke to in the past 12 years.

How many transactions did you do so far? Over $2mil? And you still believe all that shit?

Kk dream on dude ...

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fuzebox · 05-07-2010, 08:59 AM

Dreamteam what are your paysites and how long have you been running them?

Raf1 · 05-07-2010, 09:07 AM

good thing I've never promoted them. It's another example showing why you should always read the fine print...

ShellyCrash · 05-07-2010, 10:01 AM

Just touch a little but on the CB / Refund issue you can't assume everyone who is refunded is a dissatisfied customer and everyone who charges back is fraud.

In my experience people really do call first to see what the charge is before processing a CB. If someone calls in and it's a clear cut fraud case then they are instantly issued a refund. You would be a fool not to. So that's one case where a refund can be CC fraud.

One thing I love about Discover is that they send retreval requests, it;s like a friendly heads up letter that says something to the effect of- "Hey merchant, so and so is saying they didn't make the charges from card number and want to process a chargeback."

From there you can pull up the account and act accordingly. If it looks like fraud, naturally you are going to refund it. There's another way a refund is also CC fraud. Alot of people automatically refund all retreval requests and I can totally understand that. Card companies and merchant banks do not fuck around, as online merchants- especially in adult you have to keep a narrow thin margin.

Also with chargebacks alot of it is friendly fraud. Wife wants to know what the charge is for or they forgot to cancel and they could really use that money so they try to charge back their whole membership. This has nothing to do with the quality of the site or the service.

I've always worked in the dating industry, so I'm in a slightly different position than most of you guys reading this. My advantage is not only do I have an email and an IP, but I have a location, physical description, personal details and in alot of cases I have photos and phone numbers. When a customer throws some friendly fraud at me you can bet your monkey ass I fight it.

seeandsee · 05-07-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Raf1

good thing I've never promoted them. It's another example showing why you should always read the fine print...

looks like they change it, and it was wrong write :D

Lace · 05-07-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Well, here's the heads up- your TOS for your AFL program is WORD for WORD the TOS of Solo Converts-

http://www.gfprofits.com/terms.html

http://www.soloconverts.com/terms.html

That's more than a "mistake".

Either the companies are related or your company knowingly plagerized their TOS.

Sweet - Two companies whom I will never touch.

And Ryan, you're so full of shit it isn't funny. How many affiliates have bitched now that they haven't been paid by you and now this?

05-06-2010, 08:18 AM	#53
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05-06-2010, 08:48 AM	#57
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05-06-2010, 08:53 AM	#58
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05-06-2010, 09:46 AM	#63
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05-06-2010, 09:47 AM	#64
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05-06-2010, 08:39 AM	#56
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05-06-2010, 09:17 AM	#60
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05-06-2010, 10:35 AM	#67
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05-06-2010, 02:27 PM	#72
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05-07-2010, 03:08 AM	#81
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05-07-2010, 08:59 AM	#92
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05-07-2010, 09:07 AM	#93
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05-07-2010, 10:01 AM	#94
ShellyCrash Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,708	Just touch a little but on the CB / Refund issue you can't assume everyone who is refunded is a dissatisfied customer and everyone who charges back is fraud. In my experience people really do call first to see what the charge is before processing a CB. If someone calls in and it's a clear cut fraud case then they are instantly issued a refund. You would be a fool not to. So that's one case where a refund can be CC fraud. One thing I love about Discover is that they send retreval requests, it;s like a friendly heads up letter that says something to the effect of- "Hey merchant, so and so is saying they didn't make the charges from card number and want to process a chargeback." From there you can pull up the account and act accordingly. If it looks like fraud, naturally you are going to refund it. There's another way a refund is also CC fraud. Alot of people automatically refund all retreval requests and I can totally understand that. Card companies and merchant banks do not fuck around, as online merchants- especially in adult you have to keep a narrow thin margin. Also with chargebacks alot of it is friendly fraud. Wife wants to know what the charge is for or they forgot to cancel and they could really use that money so they try to charge back their whole membership. This has nothing to do with the quality of the site or the service. I've always worked in the dating industry, so I'm in a slightly different position than most of you guys reading this. My advantage is not only do I have an email and an IP, but I have a location, physical description, personal details and in alot of cases I have photos and phone numbers. When a customer throws some friendly fraud at me you can bet your monkey ass I fight it. __________________ Start making money with the hottest hookup site! up to $55 PPS or up to 75% Revshare ICQ 196766477