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Nikki_Licks · 05-12-2010, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

I don't care about your anecdote, your assertion is pure bullshit. No one is allowed to walk just because they're in the country illegally.

I could care less if you care

You don't have a clue!

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I could care less if you care

You don't have a clue!

It's tough to be confronted with the fact that you're full of shit, isn't it?

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

The negro problem is much greater than the "illegal" problem. They commit more crime and are more dependent on government assistance.

the law isnt about african americans its about illegals entering the united states can you read english

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:21 AM

hes cracking nikki!! hahahaha!!!

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the law isnt about african americans its about illegals entering the united states can you read english

I didn't say it was. Can you comprehend English? I said that negroes cause more problems than "illegals." And I think sonething should be done about that. Cops and courts need to ride them harder.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

I didn't say it was. Can you comprehend English? I said that negroes cause more problems than "illegals." And I think sonething should be done about that. Cops and courts need to ride them harder.

you are afraid of facing the topics just like the protesters calling the sheriff a nazi hes going to have a fun time cleaning up

talk shit 2 day crying back home tomorrow.

cwd · 05-12-2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Again "white people" could or would not make this bill - the Majority are Latino that drafted it.

Just curious, but who are the Latino majority that wrote this bill? I thought most of it came from this guy...

"When politicians and police across the country want to crack down on illegal immigration, they often reach out to the same man: a little-known Kansas attorney with an Ivy League education who is the architect behind many of the nation's most controversial immigration laws.

Kris Kobach could not attend West Point because of diabetes, but he regards his efforts on immigration as a substitute for military service.

Kobach helps draft proposed laws and, after they are adopted, trains officers to enforce them. If the laws are challenged, he goes to court to defend them.
His most recent project was advising Arizona officials on a new law that empowers police to question anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100510/...on_architect_3

Nikki_Licks · 05-12-2010, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

It's tough to be confronted with the fact that you're full of shit, isn't it?

Yep, you're full of shit, no doubt...sport

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you are afraid of facing the topics just like the protesters calling the sheriff a nazi hes going to have a fun time cleaning up

talk shit 2 day crying back home tomorrow.

Not at all afraid of facing the topic. The fact is if you're in this country illegally you are subject to deportation. I have no problem with that, it's part of the game. What I have a problem with is people pretending they are addressing crime and welfare problems by scapegoating "illegals" when the fact is a great deal of those problems come from the negro community and people are afraid to address that for fear of being called "racist."

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Yep, you're full of shit, no doubt...sport

Sure, dude. The case was dismissed when it was revealed that the guy was in the country illegally. Tell us all about it.

cwd · 05-12-2010, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I for one have seen what the influx of illegal immigration has done to my state and city. I also have experienced the slowly dyeing off of our mainstream company for 5 years due to competitors hiring illegal immigrants. I can not compete against another company who pays cash to curb side workers and does not have to pay into the system like my company has had to do for years.

This is what I don't understand and maybe you can help me. Where are the laws against hiring illegal immigrants? And, if there are laws, where is the enforcement? If your competitors were getting busted for hiring illegals, and I am talking busted HARD, then wouldn't other business stop the hiring? If no one was hiring wouldn't that stop the flow of illegal immigrants who are coming to this country trying to find work?

TheDoc · 05-12-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cwd

Just curious, but who are the Latino majority that wrote this bill? I thought most of it came from this guy...

"When politicians and police across the country want to crack down on illegal immigration, they often reach out to the same man: a little-known Kansas attorney with an Ivy League education who is the architect behind many of the nation's most controversial immigration laws.

Kris Kobach could not attend West Point because of diabetes, but he regards his efforts on immigration as a substitute for military service.

Kobach helps draft proposed laws and, after they are adopted, trains officers to enforce them. If the laws are challenged, he goes to court to defend them.
His most recent project was advising Arizona officials on a new law that empowers police to question anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100510/...on_architect_3

Kobach worked with our elected officials to help draft this bill. The majority Latino is our elected officials all over the state which listen to the majority Latino base of people.

"Kobach helps draft proposed laws and, after they are adopted, trains officers to enforce them."

He's a guy that helps draft/design bills ie: "Kan. lawyer is architect of many immigration laws" so they are made legal. Basically saying all the legal action being taken against AZ is probably going to get smacked down as it looks like AZ has been barking up this tree for a few years now.

"Kobach spent several years consulting with its main sponsor."

Any other questions?

Nikki_Licks · 05-12-2010, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Sure, dude. The case was dismissed when it was revealed that the guy was in the country illegally. Tell us all about it.

No the guy was released on bail and ran back to his third world shit hole.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Not at all afraid of facing the topic. The fact is if you're in this country illegally you are subject to deportation. I have no problem with that, it's part of the game. What I have a problem with is people pretending they are addressing crime and welfare problems by scapegoating "illegals" when the fact is a great deal of those problems come from the negro community and people are afraid to address that for fear of being called "racist."

you seem to be bent on sterotypes

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

No the guy was released on bail and ran back to his third world shit hole.

figures typical bullshit

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

No the guy was released on bail and ran back to his third world shit hole.

Skipping bail isn't the same as "walking", now is it?

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you seem to be bent on sterotypes

Who am I stereotyping and how am I stereotyping them?

TheDoc · 05-12-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

What I have a problem with is people pretending they are addressing crime and welfare problems by scapegoating "illegals" when the fact is a great deal of those problems come from the negro community and people are afraid to address that for fear of being called "racist."

That depends on the State, not every state bleeds welfare out. Being that the thread topic is AZ... AZ has rather tough laws on welfare making it tough to keep and maintain.

As for Blacks bleeding off the system here, even if 100% of the black population in this state was on welfare, it wouldn't be a measurable percentage to the amount of illegals that hammer the system - even with laws in place that attempting to stop this from happening.

I have a problem with illegals (crime) that steal ID's (crime) to leach off our system (crime) that actually work and get paid cash (no taxes crime) allowing them to say don't have a job to collect more off the system (crime) and it goes on and on...

The worst black/any color crime area in America doesn't compare even at the most skewed extremes.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Skipping bail isn't the same as "walking", now is it?

for an illegal its like a free pass ive seen it happen many times the hispanic gangs do it all the time escorpio did you know that the worst gang in the united states is ms-13 a hispanic gang formed from south americans.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Who am I stereotyping and how am I stereotyping them?

your a grown ass man i think figure it out.

cwd · 05-12-2010, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Kobach worked with our elected officials to help draft this bill. The majority Latino is our elected officials all over the state which listen to the majority Latino base of people.

Any other questions?

Thought he more to do with it from stuff like this;
"I would say he is the brain behind most of them," said Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute's office at the New York University School of Law.

Thanks, didn't realize that the majority of your State Senators and Reps are Latino. Would have thought it would be a majority White since that is the largest percent of residents.

cwd · 05-12-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Any other questions?

Yes, sorry I don't know much about your state

Are there laws against hiring illegal immigrants? And, if there are laws, where is the enforcement? If your competitors were getting busted for hiring illegals, and I am talking busted HARD, then wouldn't other business stop the hiring? If no one was hiring wouldn't that stop the flow of illegal immigrants who are coming to this country trying to find work?

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That depends on the State, not every state bleeds welfare out. Being that the thread topic is AZ... AZ has rather tough laws on welfare making it tough to keep and maintain.

As for Blacks bleeding off the system here, - even with laws in place that attempting to stop this from happening.

I have a problem with illegals (crime) that steal ID's (crime) to leach off our system (crime) that actually work and get paid cash (no taxes crime) allowing them to say don't have a job to collect more off the system (crime) and it goes on and on...

even at the most skewed extremes.

I wasn't talking about AZ specifically. I was talking about the US as a whole.

"even if 100% of the black population in this state was on welfare, it wouldn't be a measurable percentage to the amount of illegals that hammer the system"

Do you have any statistics to back this up or is it a bare assertion? Seems a little far fetched but it may be accurate in Arizona, given the large percentage of "illegals."

"The worst black/any color crime area in America doesn't compare"

So you're making the claim that AZ has the highest crime rate in the nation and it can be attributed to "illegals"?

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

for an illegal its like a free pass ive seen it happen many times the hispanic gangs do it all the time escorpio did you know that the worst gang in the united states is ms-13 a hispanic gang formed from south americans.

"Worst" is subjective. Got any stats to back that up?

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

your a grown ass man i think figure it out.

You made the claim. Now back it up or deflect, like a typical negro.

bronco67 · 05-12-2010, 08:31 AM

I definitely don't think anyone that doesn't live in Arizona should be complaining about the law. They have some serious shit going on there.

Ever watch that show Border Wars on Nat Geo Channel? It's focused on the Arizona Mexico border, and Border agents seem to have their hands full -- and that's understating it. I'm sure what I see on that show could be multiplied by 100.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 08:34 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha fucking scum

Tanker · 05-12-2010, 08:36 AM

Phoenix is the number one city for kidnappings

_Richard_ · 05-12-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup

rock solid point made right here. if you think this law will only affect illegal immigrants you are fucking insane. this law could (fuck all that) WILL be used to perpetrate a whole host of other repugnant shit. "thought he may be illegal.. so that was my probable cause to search his car/house/asshole/whatever" "pulled him over cuz I thought he was illegal.. then it looked like he pulled out a gun.. I ain't taking no chances.. them illegals is dangerous these days. so I shot him." the examples could go on for ever.

don't think it's possible? think again.. shit like this happens everyday.
don't let the fucking pigs have another excuse to fuck people over you dumb asses.

you can post the embedded vid of the hispanic looking fellow in Seattle getting stomped!

heard he's illegal so it doesn't matter

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanker

Phoenix is the number one city for kidnappings

yes when the smuggling go's bad the police are called to save them

Tanker · 05-12-2010, 08:46 AM

I was in Savage Maryland (very far from the border) this past week and I saw ICE come into a state park there and round up about 500 immigrants (all Latino) they had giant paddy wagon buses and helicopters.

Normally they all spend thier days there in the woods after work or at lunch. Fishing and bathing in the river. and you can see 4 to 500 latinos down there.

I went back the next day for a walk and I saw 4 people on the river that was it.

Not one word of it on the news anywhere and it was a huge roundup

escorpio · 05-12-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha fucking scum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crips
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Gangster_Disciples

pinche mayates sucios!

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanker

I was in Savage Maryland (very far from the border) this past week and I saw ICE come into a state park there and round up about 500 immigrants (all Latino) they had giant paddy wagon buses and helicopters.

Normally they all spend thier days there in the woods after work or at lunch. Fishing and bathing in the river. and you can see 4 to 500 latinos down there.

I went back the next day for a walk and I saw 4 people on the river that was it.

Not one word of it on the news anywhere and it was a huge roundup

bathing in the river

Tom_PM · 05-12-2010, 08:59 AM

I have a question.

If a police officer pulls over a car because of a simple violation, like driving on a spare or obscured license digit or something simple. And that officer notices 8 people crammed into the backseat.. Does anyone doubt that the officer SHOULD be able to determine if those 8 people crammed in the back are being trafficked? What, if anything, should the officer be ALLOWED by law to do? Should they be PREVENTED by law from doing something? What?

Philosophy is fine for what it's worth, but lets talk nuts and bolts on a real scenario at some point.

2012 · 05-12-2010, 09:00 AM

fuck opinions -- just do as your told and stop wasting my time

czarina · 05-12-2010, 09:01 AM

you dont wanna get me started on that POS Arizona's law!

Sly · 05-12-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I have a question.

If a police officer pulls over a car because of a simple violation, like driving on a spare or obscured license digit or something simple. And that officer notices 8 people crammed into the backseat.. Does anyone doubt that the officer SHOULD be able to determine if those 8 people crammed in the back are being trafficked? What, if anything, should the officer be ALLOWED by law to do? Should they be PREVENTED by law from doing something? What?

Philosophy is fine for what it's worth, but lets talk nuts and bolts on a real scenario at some point.

I've been reading over these threads and keep wondering that same exact question.

I see the concern over racial profiling, I understand that. But what about situations like this? Obviously something needs to be done when a person is found to be illegal. If I have a warrant out for my arrest and I get pulled over for a basic traffic violation, I get taken in for that warrant. I get punished for something totally unrelated, but something that I did that was illegal.

Why should this not be true for everyone?

TheDoc · 05-12-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

I wasn't talking about AZ specifically. I was talking about the US as a whole.

"even if 100% of the black population in this state was on welfare, it wouldn't be a measurable percentage to the amount of illegals that hammer the system"

Do you have any statistics to back this up or is it a bare assertion? Seems a little far fetched but it may be accurate in Arizona, given the large percentage of "illegals."

"The worst black/any color crime area in America doesn't compare"

So you're making the claim that AZ has the highest crime rate in the nation and it can be attributed to "illegals"?

I don't need crime stats, all I have to do is look at population stats. Being that blacks ONLY make up 2.5% (or about 180k people) of the States population, I'm 100% sure in my statistics.

vs. 650,000-1million estimated illegals in the state.

Damn straight... the highest crime rate areas in America aren't at 100%, however every single illegal in the Country is committing at least one crime just by being here, then they repeat crimes like breathing air.

"In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests."

Think what's it really is once the border crime statistics can finally be processed through the Courts and become part of the statistics.

_Richard_ · 05-12-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I've been reading over these threads and keep wondering that same exact question.

I see the concern over racial profiling, I understand that. But what about situations like this? Obviously something needs to be done when a person is found to be illegal. If I have a warrant out for my arrest and I get pulled over for a basic traffic violation, I get taken in for that warrant. I get punished for something totally unrelated, but something that I did that was illegal.

Why should this not be true for everyone?

personally i don't disagree with the right for police officers to detain people without identification or papers in obvious immigration type settings, especially in cities or states that have a great deal of immigration.

it's just the way this entire law was introduced, with the amendments, shows no real respect for realities of the racial profiling this will encourage

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 09:11 AM

mi troll hispano de los Estados Unidos estarán libres de basura ilegal

TheDoc · 05-12-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I have a question.

If a police officer pulls over a car because of a simple violation, like driving on a spare or obscured license digit or something simple. And that officer notices 8 people crammed into the backseat.. Does anyone doubt that the officer SHOULD be able to determine if those 8 people crammed in the back are being trafficked? What, if anything, should the officer be ALLOWED by law to do? Should they be PREVENTED by law from doing something? What?

Philosophy is fine for what it's worth, but lets talk nuts and bolts on a real scenario at some point.

If you have an over stuffed car, the cop can't allow it to proceed on. Once you exit the car, he is going to ask each person to identify themselves, and the process starts.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Damn straight... the highest crime rate areas in America aren't at 100%, however every single illegal in the Country is committing at least one crime just by being here, then they repeat crimes like breathing air.

Tom_PM · 05-12-2010, 09:28 AM

I agree the problem is people like Obama recklessly talking out his ass that latinos standing in line for ice cream might be asked to prove they are citizens. NOTHING that would allow anything even CLOSE to that was even in the bill, and I didnt even try to follow it closely to know that.

I generally approve of Obama, but sometimes he jams his foot in his mouth up to his knee.

Nikki_Licks · 05-12-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Skipping bail isn't the same as "walking", now is it?

It's just as good as and there have been plenty of illegal immigrants to walk away from accidents because the fact they were illegal immigrants, so nothing could be done to them except being sent home without having to pay for any damages. Real nice, eh?

And this piece of shit ever returns and if my buddy runs into this worthless individual that took his daughters life...you can bet he will be served a cold platter of justice.

Now on the other hand this new law is going to allow the law to prosecute illegal immigrants right off the bat for being in this country illegally and for crimes committed and then send them to jail instead of back to Mexico.

mountainmiester · 05-12-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

It's just as good as and there have been plenty of illegal immigrants to walk away from accidents because the fact they were illegal immigrants, so nothing could be done to them except being sent home without having to pay for any damages. Real nice, eh?

Kind of answers the question of why we need "uninsured motorist coverage" in a state where having auto insurance is the law.

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I agree the problem is people like Obama recklessly talking out his ass that latinos standing in line for ice cream might be asked to prove they are citizens. NOTHING that would allow anything even CLOSE to that was even in the bill, and I didnt even try to follow it closely to know that.

I generally approve of Obama, but sometimes he jams his foot in his mouth up to his knee.

well said

brassmonkey · 05-12-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainmiester

Kind of answers the question of why we need "uninsured motorist coverage" in a state where having auto insurance is the law.

that doesnt cover illegal drivers my mom had to use her insurance

Tom_PM · 05-12-2010, 09:52 AM

People seem pretty easily to agree that an overstuffed car is something already on the books as illegal, and therefore asking the stuffed peoples for ID's is common sense. I agree with that too. Isn't it illegal right now to do that though?

Tanker · 05-12-2010, 09:52 AM

I was in Savage Maryland (very far from the border) this past week and I saw ICE come into a state park there and round up about 500 immigrants (all Latino) they had giant paddy wagon buses and helicopters.

Normally they all spend thier days there in the woods after work or at lunch. Fishing and bathing in the river. and you can see 4 to 500 latinos down there.

I went back the next day for a walk and I saw 4 people on the river that was it.

Not one word of it on the news anywhere and it was a huge roundup

Nikki_Licks · 05-12-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cwd

This is what I don't understand and maybe you can help me. Where are the laws against hiring illegal immigrants? And, if there are laws, where is the enforcement? If your competitors were getting busted for hiring illegals, and I am talking busted HARD, then wouldn't other business stop the hiring? If no one was hiring wouldn't that stop the flow of illegal immigrants who are coming to this country trying to find work?

We do have laws against hiring illegal immigrants, but there has not been a way for immigration or law enforcement to just walk in a building and check status of citizenship, although Sheriff Joe was the only one with balls to enforce what little law we have.
I think the biz owners get a warning and then are fined a minimal amount on the second offense.
And there have been restrictions in the law which tied law enforcements hands to really do their jobs when it came to busting those who hire illegal immigrants…..not any more

This is another area where strict laws need to be in place and they are not! And employers need to be busted hard, but they are not. The fines for this offense are not hard enough to make people think twice.
I feel it should be treated just as tough as a drug busts.
1. If an employer is caught hiring illegal immigrants he should have to forfeit his business lic along with contractors lic and not be allowed to ever own operate a business again in the U.S.
2. He should be fined per illegal immigrant he hires.
3. And all assets from the company to be confiscated and sold at auction.

This may not be the best law to impose, but you can bet if an employer values his right to run and own a company ever again and the fact knowing that he will lose everything associated to that business, he will definitely think twice about breaking the law.

You are right, take away the food source and people will leave and who ever decides to still break the law will be deported. ;)

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