Robbie's Solution vs GideonGallery

[Barefootsies]

Robbie had posted this elsewhere in response to an IONFiles O.P. I made awhile back, but I think it is a killer way to help those worried about theft. He may have posted it on GFY, but only here and there from what I've seen. But this description of how it works and what not is kick ass.

Damian, we developed scripting that protects my content in the members area from every known software that can steal it...including Replay (which was the toughest)
I still give my members a small downloadable version to keep them happy. But the big vids that stream? They can't steal them. (at this time...and when they figure out how to steal them? I'll figure out a way to stop that too)

And their username and ip address show up on the vid at random times for just a few seconds throughout the vid...that has stopped screen recording DEAD.

And then I use Remove Your Content to clean up the loose ends (older scenes that used to be on the site as wmv's and the occasional small rez downloadable version that somebody will put up)

I'm not looking for any marketing work as I am perfectly capable on my own, so this is not part of your "challenge" or an effort on my part to get your services for free.

But in my case with claudia-marie.com you are just plain wrong. I first took action 2 years ago when I suddenly noticed our sales were dropping for the first time ever. After googling her name I about had a heart attack when I found our entire members area ripped everywhere.

The straw that broke the camels back was when I released an update and 2 hours later it was on every bit torrent site out there. That REALLY pissed me off.

Quite simply you are just wrong. This month of May, Stats Remote is forecasting the biggest month in sales for us ever on CM's site. Full sales. No tricks, no x-sells, just honest to God people who want to join the site.

And as you know, I am also an affiliate and have been an affiliate since 1997. I promote over 400 different programs. My sales to ALL other paysites continue to free fall. Their members areas are found ripped for free everywhere.

I don't make up theories about what I THINK. And I don't make posts about what I THINK.

What I am telling you is based on EXPERIENCE. What is actually happening right now. And I'm telling you that the combination of protecting your content and hiring a content removal company DOES stop the bleeding and then INCREASES sales.

I know that you won't believe me because you have for some reason began vesting time in making posts lately everywhere that basically give the message to just give up....there's nothing anybody can do.

So I'm not trying to convince you.

I just want everybody else to know that I make a lot of money in this business both for myself and a lot of other folks. And I want everyone to know there IS something you can do about piracy. And it's just as simple as keeping your own content in the members area to the best of your ability. There is a way to do it, and I've been doing it while other sites have just dropped.

No you can't "take down the tubes" or "take down the torrent sites" That's just ridiculous. But you CAN protect your own content and have a profitable paysite IF you have a unique girl or fetish that exactly meets the demands of the fans and you can keep it from being given away for free everywhere.

Basic business 101: The law of supply and demand.

[munki]

Great post...

[fuzebox]

I remember reading it the first time Robbie proves that hard work is the foundation of success.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I remember reading it the first time Robbie proves that hard work is the foundation of success.

True dat.

I recommend to anyone who goes to conferences to seek out Robbie. Every time I have talked to him I learn something new, or he gives me a new insight into something. Even if it is just some minor shit like the wording in your links, or a way to market something.

He's a solid business man, and extremely intelligent when it comes to the adult industry.

[IllTestYourGirls]

I think he is on to something.

[Agent 488]

the smartest do that and pirate to cover both market trends.

[Deej]

+2 respect for Robbie

Weve had our issues with words on here but I have found his actual business practices pretty damn keen

Now i Just need to find out how to get your (my) big tittied woman to walk around in the voluptuous attire that CM does


Comes down to most wanting money for not ALL the effort... Taking every step whether it be extra in mind or not generally comes out ahead...

[Nicky]

Claudia converts and retains!

[GetSCORECash]

I like Claudia, but he knows that.

[devine]

Very interesting reading

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

the smartest do that and pirate to cover both market trends.

no the smartest thing is to make tiny changes to your business so that when your content is shared you MAKE money.

or when that not possible create a new revenue stream that actually leverages the technology.

protect your income without protecting your content.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

no the smartest thing is to make tiny changes to your business so that when your content is shared you MAKE money.

or when that not possible create a new revenue stream that actually leverages the technology.

protect your income without protecting your content.

Or, just protect your content and increase the old revenue stream even higher.

On a side note: Gideongallery, have you begun that project with thedoc yet to prove your theories on the new revenue stream you are talking about? I'm interested in seeing what happens there. I'm hoping that you are right.


EDIT: And in case you don't realize it folks...gideons' idea isn't the "smartest thing" The smartest thing is to protect your investment and make more money on your hard work.

IF gideons' ideas can work that would be great! It would open up an additional revenue stream of the content producers' choosing IF said content producer had some control over when and where his content was being "shared". That's why I hope he is right. In my eyes it could open up a new revenue stream. I don't THINK it will be a very big one. But I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to leave even one dollar on the table if I can help it. And THAT is the "smartest thing"

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Or, just protect your content and increase the old revenue stream even higher.

the methods you are using will not work when the courts establish access shifting

On a side note: Gideongallery, have you begun that project with thedoc yet to prove your theories on the new revenue stream you are talking about? I'm interested in seeing what happens there. I'm hoping that you are right.


EDIT: And in case you don't realize it folks...gideons' idea isn't the "smartest thing" The smartest thing is to protect your investment and make more money on your hard work.

spending money time and effort "protecting" your investment by trying to stop all your customers from sharing your content will never be a better solution then finding a way to make money every time your content is shared.

IF gideons' ideas can work that would be great! It would open up an additional revenue stream of the content producers' choosing IF said content producer had some control over when and where his content was being "shared". That's why I hope he is right. In my eyes it could open up a new revenue stream. I don't THINK it will be a very big one. But I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to leave even one dollar on the table if I can help it. And THAT is the "smartest thing"

if you were half as smart as you think you are you would be making 10x the money you are making now.

[Davy]

I can hardly afford paying for a streaming server, and having somebody program a solution like the one described above is certainly not possible for me.
Robbie should just release this damn script to all site-owners who have an interest in it.

[LoveSandra]

nice post

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Or, just protect your content and increase the old revenue stream even higher.

On a side note: Gideongallery, have you begun that project with thedoc yet to prove your theories on the new revenue stream you are talking about? I'm interested in seeing what happens there. I'm hoping that you are right.


EDIT: And in case you don't realize it folks...gideons' idea isn't the "smartest thing" The smartest thing is to protect your investment and make more money on your hard work.

IF gideons' ideas can work that would be great! It would open up an additional revenue stream of the content producers' choosing IF said content producer had some control over when and where his content was being "shared". That's why I hope he is right. In my eyes it could open up a new revenue stream. I don't THINK it will be a very big one. But I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to leave even one dollar on the table if I can help it. And THAT is the "smartest thing"

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Davy

I can hardly afford paying for a streaming server, and having somebody program a solution like the one described above is certainly not possible for me.
Robbie should just release this damn script to all site-owners who have an interest in it.

Thats when you talk to someone like me that does consulting on this. I think Robbie can confirm I would be able to help . There are free and cheap solutions to protect your content. Simple changes that can be done to your content etc. I think I am just going to put a lot of it in an ebook type format, or add a members area to my consulting site for those that want the know how, but don't want to pay a large fee to learn it.

[Sinister_Angel]

Robbie can you tell us more about your scripting?

[DamianJ]

26 seconds on google and I can find cm content with ease. Just saying.

[SmokeyTheBear]

while i applaud robbie for his strategy , i'm not sure it will work in the end. Right now he has his bases covered like mac because there are plenty of other fish in the sea, Doesn't make him immune , just a smaller target.

2 things may happen , all the other fish not protected will die , making him standout, or the other model will win ( buy content, give away content , profit off other stuff )

One thing is certain , he isn't sitting back watching his site get slowly devoured , and thats a good thing

[LickMyBalls]

Originally Posted by Davy

I can hardly afford paying for a streaming server, and having somebody program a solution like the one described above is certainly not possible for me.
Robbie should just release this damn script to all site-owners who have an interest in it.

Visit soup kitchens much?

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

True dat.

I recommend to anyone who goes to conferences to seek out Robbie. Every time I have talked to him I learn something new, or he gives me a new insight into something. Even if it is just some minor shit like the wording in your links, or a way to market something.

He's a solid business man, and extremely intelligent when it comes to the adult industry.

Robbie challenged me a few months ago to get KarinaHart.com and ChristyMarks.com #1 spots on google for the model names. I accepted his challenge! And now have #1 spots on google for both models. to Robbie.

[LickMyBalls]

Love all the 'non-producers' giving their advice in here.

[The Porn Nerd]

Barefootsies brings the goods with this thread!!

Robbie: We've decided over here at PeabodyCash to switch Fellucia Blow to a streaming-only environment in her Member's Area. We're already uisng RemoveYourContent (tho we haven't seen a bump in sales yet that we could trace to this service specifically). We also have a new Kama Sutra/sex education site very much in the Met-Art style. This new site wants streaming-only in the mem area, too.

So my question for you - and perhaps you would answer this via ICQ - is what would be the best way to implement this feature? Simple Flash players would not work, as you have pointed out many times before, and just asking a coder to program me up a script would be a waste of time and money, I suspect. ANY advice on the best way to transition to this new environment would not only be of great assistance to me personally (and Fellucia Blow et al) but also to any PeabodyCash affiliate, as I'm certain sales would jump for all were we to follow your lead and switch to a stream-obnly mem area. Thanks Robbie!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

switch to a stream-obnly mem area.

Please keep in mind that I didn't go to a streaming only members area. I give my members a smaller resolution download version that they can keep.

The smaller one is just fine for them to jerk to if they want to. But it pales in comparison to the high quality streaming version. It's both an incentive to stay a member and at the same time it takes away the impulse to upload it to a pirate site because it won't meet the standards of all the sites out there that are packaging up their movies for download in the highest quality formats they can think of so that it can be stolen and uploaded to pirate sites more conveniently. lol

Originally Posted by DamianJ

26 seconds on google and I can find cm content with ease. Just saying.

Of course you found a bunch of CM links on google within a few seconds. Most of those are scenes she shot for Naughty America. Which is a big reason that we turn down almost every company that wants to shoot her. As for the scenes of mine that you DO find. They are old ones that have been around from the time when we first opened the site and had all downloadable members area. And THAT is where RYC comes in and takes them back down.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

the methods you are using will not work when the courts establish access shifting

Yep, you're right. I am betting that the exact OPPOSITE is going to happen in respect to piracy.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

spending money time and effort "protecting" your investment by trying to stop all your customers from sharing your content will never be a better solution then finding a way to make money every time your content is shared.
.

Since you have not yet shown that can be done, that is still just a theory by an idiot on a message board (you). In the meantime, many of these companies have already LOST more money than you will ever see in a lifetime thanks to piracy, not to mention all the people who have lost their jobs.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

if you were half as smart as you think you are you would be making 10x the money you are making now.

Since you are the one claiming to have figured out something that the biggest mainstream companies in the world with the best and smartest people working for them AND the smartest folks in adult haven't been able to figure out...
Doesn't that mean that YOU are the one who thinks he's so smart? In that case, please just take a look in the mirror when you type those words.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Please keep in mind that I didn't go to a streaming only members area. I give my members a smaller resolution download version that they can keep.

The smaller one is just fine for them to jerk to if they want to. But it pales in comparison to the high quality streaming version. It's both an incentive to stay a member and at the same time it takes away the impulse to upload it to a pirate site because it won't meet the standards of all the sites out there that are packaging up their movies for download in the highest quality formats they can think of so that it can be stolen and uploaded to pirate sites more conveniently. lol

Thanks Robbie but I understand you're not 'streaming only'. That was short-hand. I plan on offering low-res downloads in addition to streaming.

I also understand others have asked for your script and that what you developed is proprietory and, if you ever would consider 'sharing it' I'm sure it would cost quite a chunk. LOL No Robbie, what I was seeking via ICQ (or on here) were principles I should focus on in order to make this all work. I know there are conversion issues, and little things to concentrate on like bitrates and resolution etc etc. I assume I'll have to pay someone to script this for me just wanted some general direction before I spent thousands experimenting on the right way to go. LOL

PS: GideonGallery's "solution" for what ails the adult business is 100% wrong-headed, IMHO. "Hey everyone is stealing our cars! Let's fill the tanks for them and hand them custom keys with their initlals on them!" Insane.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

PS: GideonGallery's "solution" for what ails the adult business is 100% wrong-headed, IMHO. "Hey everyone is stealing our cars! Let's fill the tanks for them and hand them custom keys with their initlals on them!" Insane.

Yes, but you forgot the "new revenue stream" part of that equation: As they are driving away in the car, you sell them one of those car air fresheners that dangle off the rear view mirror.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

the methods you are using will not work when the courts establish access shifting

murder will be legal when the courts establish killing someone isn't a crime. i guarantee it

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yes, but you forgot the "new revenue stream" part of that equation: As they are driving away in the car, you sell them one of those car air fresheners that dangle off the rear view mirror.

And GideonGallery has the 'exclusive license' for the air fresheners, with 'The Pirate Bay' logo on it.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yes, but you forgot the "new revenue stream" part of that equation: As they are driving away in the car, you sell them one of those car air fresheners that dangle off the rear view mirror.

I think he's wrong on this but to be fair the more accurate comparison would be giving away the car but the radio is always on with a steady stream of ads.

The problem with this 'concept' for the adult space is you can only upsell so much porn. Until adult companies can offer mainstream product upsells and advertisements this will never work. And by mainstream I dont mean penis enlargement pills or scam diet offers but mainstream products and brands.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Atticus

I think he's wrong on this but to be fair the more accurate comparison would be giving away the car but the radio is always on with a steady stream of ads.

Yeah, I know. I'm guilty of trying to be humorous on that one.

[ottopottomouse]

Everything that is viewable even via streaming-only is downloadable all you can do is try to make it impossible for a random surfer to automate the downloading.

Strangely I can see both sides of today's argument though.
-Protect your shit and people will be forced to pay for it.
-Anything that does leak out being still earning you something, even if its just by intro/outro all your stuff with something enticing about the site.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Everything that is viewable even via streaming-only is downloadable all you can do is try to make it impossible for a random surfer to automate the downloading.
.

That is NOT true. You have to FIND it to download it. Your just not correct on that.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Since you are the one claiming to have figured out something that the biggest mainstream companies in the world with the best and smartest people working for them AND the smartest folks in adult haven't been able to figure out...

Hey Robbie, quick question. You have solved a problem that the RIAA and MPAA have failed, miserably and publicly to solve.

Why are you not selling it to them?

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That is NOT true. You have to FIND it to download it. Your just not correct on that.

It's coming from somewhere for me to be able to watch it. There are tools that show you everything going in and out its just most people don't know how to use them.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That is NOT true. You have to FIND it to download it. Your just not correct on that.

What he means, Robbie, is that if you send/stream/push a video to me and it is viewable on my screen as a video, that means I can rip it and post it if I want.

[ottopottomouse]

Not trying to start a silly argument Robbie as I like your posts compared to a lot of the one line sniping that goes on - took me a while to find it but this is what I mean http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/962650-rip-video.html

Although 2012 was just being far too full of himself so I had to download it just to prove him wrong as I like a challenge.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

It's coming from somewhere for me to be able to watch it. There are tools that show you everything going in and out its just most people don't know how to use them.

There are no tools that will do that to my stuff at the moment. We DO know how to use them and tested every way that is currently available. And when somebody does figure out a new way...guess what? We'll figure out how to stop that one too. This ain't rocket science.

[LickMyBalls]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Hey Robbie, quick question. You have solved a problem that the RIAA and MPAA have failed, miserably and publicly to solve.

Why are you not selling it to them?

Where are those organization's customers streaming their products again?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Where are those organization's customers streaming their products again?

Their websites?

Most channels in the states seem to offer streaming. HBO, NBC etc.

Hulu?

Pandora?

The lists goes on.

I'm sure they would pay the most money ever seen in order to buy Robbie's Impossible to Pirate technology.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Not trying to start a silly argument Robbie as I like your posts compared to a lot of the one line sniping that goes on - took me a while to find it but this is what I mean http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/962650-rip-video.html

Although 2012 was just being far too full of himself so I had to download it just to prove him wrong as I like a challenge.

I saw that. But I'm not some wigger talking fool like that guy. heh-heh

Do I think that somebody with skills could go in and figure out some way to download it? Yes, of course. Do any available software programs in the world work on it right now? NO.

The key is to keep your content in your members area to the best of your ability. And I'll guarantee you that if you downloaded one of my vids in the members area it will take you some time. You won't be doing it by using a download software tool.

[LickMyBalls]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Their websites?

Most channels in the states seem to offer streaming. HBO, NBC etc.

Hulu?

Pandora?

The lists goes on.

I'm sure they would pay the most money ever seen in order to buy Robbie's Impossible to Pirate technology.

MPAA = Motion Picture Association of America
RIAA = Recording Industry Association of America

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

What he means, Robbie, is that if you send/stream/push a video to me and it is viewable on my screen as a video, that means I can rip it and post it if I want.

No you can't download it. You can screen record it. And guess what? You're IP and username appears on the vid every couple of minutes at random and in random places. I'll nail you. That's a deterrent.

Look man, instead of trying to be a negative person...just understand that I am NOT the kind of guy to just roll over and die. I don't want to be one of the cry babies on here who doesn't do anything. I did something. It has been working for me. What else do you want?

As opposed to everybody else doing nothing

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

I'm sure they would pay the most money ever seen in order to buy Robbie's Impossible to Pirate technology.

Dude I don't have any fancy "technology"

We're talking about stopping somebody from downloading a streaming video on a porn site.

I can't stop people from ripping a DVD or a CD. WTF are you talking about?

[Robbie]

To GideonGallery, this just in:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20005091-261.html

Pirate Bay just got took offline by Hollywood again.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There are no tools that will do that to my stuff at the moment. We DO know how to use them and tested every way that is currently available. And when somebody does figure out a new way...guess what? We'll figure out how to stop that one too.

I just joined your site. I both downloaded a full scene mp4, as you offer and got the flv from the stream from the temp folder.

?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

I just joined your site. I both downloaded a full scene mp4, as you offer and got the flv from the stream from the temp folder.

?

First of all. Let me refund your money. You didn't have to join. You could have just spoke to me in private. Second of all ICQ me and explain to me in PRIVATE what you did and how you did it so I can stop that.

And by the way...the full scene mp4 IS the downloadable version I offer in a smaller rez. And the stream in the members area is an mp4 as well. So if you got an flv...

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I saw that. But I'm not some wigger talking fool like that guy. heh-heh

Do I think that somebody with skills could go in and figure out some way to download it? Yes, of course. Do any available software programs in the world work on it right now? NO.

The key is to keep your content in your members area to the best of your ability. And I'll guarantee you that if you downloaded one of my vids in the members area it will take you some time. You won't be doing it by using a download software tool.

Keeping stuff from being saved by an easily available tool that any 14 year old can put a link into and click save on is basically what you need to protect against. Most people won't or can't jump through hoops to get something.

I just went to rabbitsreviews though to see how much stuff you had so I could give a it would take x weeks to rip your site individually while going insane sort of prediction but the review is a bit out of date so I don't know how much there is.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You're IP and username appears on the vid every couple of minutes at random and in random places. I'll nail you. That's a deterrent.

How many times have you tried to 'nail' someone using this technology? I tried to see any court cases and cannot find any?

Originally Posted by Robbie

Look man, instead of trying to be a negative person...

I'm being practical and positive. I always suggest alternate ideas. I persuade people to do something that may actually increase sales. It's just that posting tens of thousands of words as you do is such a waste of time. That's all. But it's none of my business really if you want to spend your time telling everyone to fight piracy. That is totally your call and I should shut up.

Originally Posted by Robbie

just understand that I am NOT the kind of guy to just roll over and die. I don't want to be one of the cry babies on here who doesn't do anything. I did something. It has been working for me. What else do you want?

As opposed to everybody else doing nothing

You do what you want. That's your perogative. I just think that anyone that tries to steal your content was never going to buy it. You think differently. Cool. You carry on trying to stop the unstoppable, and I will carry on doing things to try and generate new sales.

Have fun.

Damian

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

How many times have you tried to 'nail' someone using this technology? I tried to see any court cases and cannot find any?



I'm being practical and positive. I always suggest alternate ideas. I persuade people to do something that may actually increase sales. It's just that posting tens of thousands of words as you do is such a waste of time. That's all. But it's none of my business really if you want to spend your time telling everyone to fight piracy. That is totally your call and I should shut up.



You do what you want. That's your perogative. I just think that anyone that tries to steal your content was never going to buy it. You think differently. Cool. You carry on trying to stop the unstoppable, and I will carry on doing things to try and generate new sales.

Have fun.

Damian

Damian, I do things that generate new sales. I don't just sit around all day with blinders on focused on piracy. lol

As I said in the beginning. I'm not going to try and convince you. You have already made up your mind. I just want to let other people who actually own paysites know that you CAN put a cap on this. You are not helpless and you CAN turn things around and make great sales again.
Supply and demand