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Old 05-24-2010, 04:28 PM   #51
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Hmm...I am seeing such scenes reported daily upon multiple media outlets as well as even my local news. I have not heard any major media outlets...or minor media outlets complain about not being allowed to photograph or cover the event.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:30 PM   #52
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I have previously seen the video...and that is far from complaining about not being allowed to photgraph or cover the event. I watch the White House daily press briefing every day and have not heard a single complaint about being denied coverage. The event in the video is a singular event and the reporter stated that the Coast Gaurd was looking into the matter.
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I spent summers down there every year as a kid. I was planning on renting a camp down there this summer but I guess not now.

We should shut down the state boarders and turn off the oil till the Fed Govt steps up and fixes this and also pays us our fair share of royalties.

What i think is total bullshit is that states like Florida and California don't drill for oil off their coasts but they don't pay extra fees either. They shouldn't have their cake and eat it too. If you don't want to drill fine, then you pay a 10% surcharge to the states that do drill. Why in the hell should we drill and send them our oil/gas and we have to suffer the consequences of drilling (destroying the cost from both erosion and now oil spills) where as Florida and California has none of those risks AND they get the oil for the same price we do. Fuck that. You have a choice. Drill or not. If not, then you pay a 10% surcharge to the state that produced the oil. If we send oil to Florida they pay 10% surcharge that goes back directly to LA to spend on dealing with the coastal erosion, oil spills, etc... for producing it here. Either play or pay or you don't get the oil.
correction. California does drill off its coast, been to Ventura or Santa Barbara lately? plenty of rigs out there off the coast of CA.(dont know what they are pumping, could be NG)

i think the oil companies pay states that allow drilling, fees as a tax for allowing them to profit from the states natural resources, what your state does with those proceeds is a whole another buisiness. i think alaskans get kickbacks for their oil fields.

better then goldmines which just have to pay $1 per year per acre lease to the BLM and get to rape $8B in gold out of a hill.
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I read that BP did not install "expensive" safety valves. That's unfortunate.
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I think it would be absurd to make plans to clean at this point when the oil is still flowing from the leak. This is only the first of many many oil covered months ahead.
absurd? hardly.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spil...ry?id=10731680

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Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.
Yeah, because we don't want electric cars - we don't want solar energy - we don't want wind power - we don't want ANYTHING better than oil!

You are an idiot!

We are all fucking pawns to the powers that be.

It doesn't matter what WE want - it never has!

Follow the fucking money - it doesn't end up in OUR fucking bank accounts!
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Why is all the rage and blame put on BP? What about Halliburton, the company that cemented the drill into place and had just completed that task only 20hrs before the blowout?

This whole fucking mess stinks.
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Yeah, because we don't want electric cars - we don't want solar energy - we don't want wind power - we don't want ANYTHING better than oil!

You are an idiot!

We are all fucking pawns to the powers that be.

It doesn't matter what WE want - it never has!

Follow the fucking money - it doesn't end up in OUR fucking bank accounts!

Forget your meds today?

I say we hold the blame also, for 'needing' this Oil and your best answer is to rant on like a shit belching lunatic and call me an idiot, great argument. What are you a 16 year old who's overdosing on steroids?

I didn't ask you to agree with me, but if I'm an idiot for stating that, then you must be 5 levels beneath me for your childlike reply.


So carry on whining and bitching like a fucking schoolgirl, that's gonna solve lots of problems. You got FUCKING YEARS to go after the people at fault.

YOU HAVE MINUTES TO SAVE THE DAMAGE BEING DONE.

Pretty simple fucking decision to make about what should be done first.
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I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?
You do understand that no amount of money is ever going to repair the damage being done yeah ?

People continually make the mistake of thinking money can fix anything and everything.
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I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?
NO! The government does not cover the rest, THE AMERICAN TAX PAYERS DO. Also, king Hussein just increased the tax to .32
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BP has the power to arrest people?!

Anyways.. theres a lot more coming for the areas that are "victim" of the oilspil. What about those millions of tourist that visit these states/areas every year. Im pretty sure a lot of them will plan their trips elsewhere.

Its a fucking fucking shame BP manages to construct something that can pump millions of litres of oil to the surface, but NEVER thought about how to fix shit when something went wrong. Guess they where to busy counting money.

But now what? What can we do?
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nice, we mustve had similar lives growing up in NOLA and spending summers on Grand Isle. Still have tons of family there, its so sad seeing it covered in oil and all the life on the beaches dying.

The memories of that place when we were young will never be the same, as it is the beach itself is nowhere near what it was when we were coming up, but theyve been rbuilding it and I too was goingt o take my little girl and wife there for the first time this summer.

It will be one of my lifes regrets that both of them could not see grand isle before the oil. People who are no from here and grow up the way we do living on the water just never will understand. These waters are all we have...

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How old are you? 33 here. My birthday is in June, we use to rent a camp there for a week every year for my birthday from as far back as I could remember till I was 10 or so. Last time I was down there was before Katrina. Was looking forward to going back this summer.

Surf fishing, running crab lines along the beach, floundering at night, fishing off the pier at night under the lights catching school trout... lots of fun.
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correction. California does drill off its coast, been to Ventura or Santa Barbara lately? plenty of rigs out there off the coast of CA.(dont know what they are pumping, could be NG)

i think the oil companies pay states that allow drilling, fees as a tax for allowing them to profit from the states natural resources, what your state does with those proceeds is a whole another buisiness. i think alaskans get kickbacks for their oil fields.

better then goldmines which just have to pay $1 per year per acre lease to the BLM and get to rape $8B in gold out of a hill.
Pretty sure California doesn't drill for oil.

Sure the oil companies pay the state they are operating out of, but that is not my point. If Florida and California say "no we don't want oil rigs off of our cost" then fine. Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Alaska etc.. can all say the same thing then right??? Why is it that some states get fucked having to deal with this shit and the others say " oh no, not us... but btw, send that oil you get over to us we need it". Fuck that. You either drill or compensate the state drilling if you choose not to drill. The "not in my back yard" people have been getting away with too much for to long. Either pay extra for it, or produce it yourself, or stop using it.

People don't realize all these oil wells need pipe lines. When they put pipe lines in the cut right through the marsh. There are tons of pipe lines down here that helped make coastal erosion a lot worse. Which happens then is we have less land to break up the surge from hurricanes. So now our levees take the brunt and there is nothing to knock it down before that. What little buffer (marsh) we have left is now soaking in oil. So to all the people that said " don't rebuilt back that city" after Katrina. That's nice, about 30% of the oil produced in the US comes from Louisiana, the oil companies killed our coast line and make us much more vulnerable to flooding from hurricanes, but as long as the rest of the country gets their oil from us they don't give a shit what happens to the people who lives here.
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You do understand that no amount of money is ever going to repair the damage being done yeah ?

People continually make the mistake of thinking money can fix anything and everything.
Yea that's the tragic part. It will take nature generations to clean this mess. What BP is doing with chemicals to break down the crude will have a COSMETIC affect only. Everything will be dead.


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I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?
BP have said they will pay for the cleanup and disregard the $75m limit on liabilities.

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They fucked up big time and they should pay for it!
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I agree 100%



It's foolish to think this could NOT have been prevented. If BP wouldn't have been so greedy and they would have installed the proper safety measures this likely wouldn't have happened. For example. Their "top hat" and other containment devices they tried to use they had to make first. Why didn't they have shit like that already created and on stand by? Why didn't they have a plan B, C or Plan A for that matter. They failed to put the safety devices in place because they were greedy and they failed to have stand by fixes in place. Instead of taking a week to build the shit they would have had it made and ready to use.

It is BP's greed that is more to blame then us consuming oil. Sure we should all push to not use oil, but even if we found alternative entergy for cars and to power our homes, there is still a big need for oil. I don't know if we could ever get 100% off of oil because so it is used to create so many things. Even if we were off of oil 90% we still would need Oil rigs for the other 10%, as long as we need oil rigs, we need oil companies to be RESPONSIBLE and not cut corners trying be greedy. 10Billion in profits wasn't enough they had to cut corners to make more money
i keep reading about BP not installing this safety valve on here, but can't find a source for it. have you got a link?
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How old are you? 33 here. My birthday is in June, we use to rent a camp there for a week every year for my birthday from as far back as I could remember till I was 10 or so. Last time I was down there was before Katrina. Was looking forward to going back this summer.

Surf fishing, running crab lines along the beach, floundering at night, fishing off the pier at night under the lights catching school trout... lots of fun.
amazingly similar LOL I am 33, turn 34 next month in June man.

Well my family has lived in this area since before it was America so never had to rent cabin but I stayed there for at least a month every summer growing up, I spent Hurriane Juan on Grand Isle despite evacuation orders 3 weeks on an island covered in 4 foot of water LOl I was 11.
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Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.
shut up man. i minimize that shit in my life. if you live like that maybe them i blame you consumer robot.
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At least BP's heart is in the right place.


http://motherjones.com/environment/2...and-isle-beach


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I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?
Exactly, the problem here isn't that companies want to make money, the real problem is that government interference in the economy (limited liability etc) created a situation where companies have no reason the prevent problems.

The solution to the problem is: less government. In a free market system, in a pure capitalist system, companies would be liable for 100% (or more) of the damages caused.... a clear incentive to care about safety.
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claiming "safety vales are too expensive" = who gets the blame.

Shell voluntarily installs backupsafety valves that BP claims are too expensive to install on its rigs. Do not confuse real blame with your simplistic view.

We are not responsible, the company that fights safety rgulations and send home safety test crews 11 hours early before doing its tests the day the explosion occured is who is to blame.
And why are companies able to act this way? Because governments interference in the economy makes it possible.

Without government interference in the economy => no (free) limited liability (where the tax payer has to pick up the tab) => companies are forced to protect their investments/installations/workers/reputations/....
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what exactly would people be arrested for?
Since when do you need a reason ?

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It amazes me that they STILL haven't been able to fix this problem.

This leak is going to affect ALL the globe!!
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:07 AM   #85
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Amazingly, the media coverage here in the UK has been minimum to say the least...
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:12 AM   #86
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Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.
That's as silly a statement as the people who post in animal abuse threads saying if you eat meat you are just as bad as the animal abusers themselves...
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:15 AM   #87
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Why is all the rage and blame put on BP? What about Halliburton, the company that cemented the drill into place and had just completed that task only 20hrs before the blowout?

This whole fucking mess stinks.
Yes, exactly. And Halliburton bought a company back in April, before the spill started, that is being contracted to help fix the problem. So they helped create the problem and now they are being paid to help fix it. Funny how often it works out this way...
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:24 AM   #88
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They just don't want half of the gulf of mexico filled with families snapping pictures getting in the way.

bp can't have anyone arrested, the police generally do that.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:31 AM   #89
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grew up swimming in these waters
Well, you can certainly forget about that. And your children will never be able to swim there, too.

But what's up with BP threatening photographers? Fuckers!
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Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.
not at all. if a house building contractor uses lead pipes in my house to build it to cut costs, it's hardly my fault for wanting a house , or even a cheap house> It is however my responsibility once i know the hazards of lead pipes exist to help make sure nobody gets swindled, just as it is our responsibility to make sure things like this don't happen again. When the valdez crashed they made the oil companies spend billions to upgrade teir equipment so it woulnt happen again , i don't think they went far enough but i think its clear we probably prevented a few valdez's just through these efforts.
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bp can't have anyone arrested, the police generally do that.
As I said, the coast guard and local sheriffs are the ones keeping people out. Under "BPs Rules"

http://motherjones.com/environment/2...and-isle-beach

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"But it wasn't BP that was yelling at us, it was the sheriff's office," we say.

"Yeah, I know, but we have…a very strong relationship."

"What do you mean? You have a lot of sway over the sheriff's office?"

"Oh yeah."

"How much?"

"A lot."
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Already for weeks now they are trying to close that leak. WTF with all the technology available these days, it passes beyond my imagination why that leak is still there especially because of the consequences.
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People not here do not understand how we are being stopped from doing anything.

watch this

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also, to the people saying "civilians shouldnt be there to get in the way" type of things LOL

Notice in this vid grab there is no one out there cleaning anything, this is just miles and miles of oil. There is nothing to get in the way of, this is PUBLIC WATER.



THAts is precisely why we making these videos, to show no one is even cleaning anything, there is no one doing anything, just oil for miles.

see the horizon? not a soul in sight, just oil.

http://www.ch33rs.com/pics/bp-oil-spill.html
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None of those idiot republicans like Rush can dispute the severity of this now that it has hit our shores.
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How could they arrest anyone on the ocean filming. I would think that is a violation of rights. Maybe people deciding to film should be prepared and go fully armed, after all, BP deserves nothing less....
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How could they arrest anyone on the ocean filming. I would think that is a violation of rights. Maybe people deciding to film should be prepared and go fully armed, after all, BP deserves nothing less....
we dont ride in cars or boat without guns down here. its like mandatory to carry down here LOL
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Your government will do whatever it takes, for as long as it takes, to stop this crisis.

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Bull mother fucking shit!

This shit pisses me off terribly. I have to honestly say that is has not directly affected me YET but all I have to say is that I feel bad for the people that have to suffer due to the ignorance of whoever is to blame. And don't pull me into your little blame game either, I don't want any part of it.
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we dont ride in cars or boat without guns down here. its like mandatory to carry down here LOL
Good to hear!
I hope you folks expose BP and the lies they are telling the media.....keep up the good work
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