wtf obama!

[brassmonkey]

this is really fucked up! is obama shielding criminals?

The Obama administration on Friday urged the Supreme Court to prevent Arizona from enforcing a law that punishes businesses that employ illegal immigrants, arguing that federal immigration law trumps state efforts.

The administration's views, contained in a new filing at the high court, are similar to concerns President Barack Obama has expressed about a new Arizona law that cracks down on illegal immigrants.

When it takes effect July 29, the new law will require police enforcing any other law to examine immigration status if there is reasonable suspicion a person is in the country illegally.

Obama and other administration officials have illegal immigration is an issue that must have a national solution rather than being addressed on a piecemeal basis by the states. The Obama administration is contemplating a court challenge to the new law. Justice Department officials met face-to-face with Attorney General Terry Goddard and aides to Republican Gov. Jan Brewer to elicit information from state officials regarding the Obama administration's concerns about the new law.

In asking the Supreme Court to take the employer sanctions case, the Obama administration said federal immigration law expressly pre-empts any state law imposing sanctions on employers hiring illegal immigrants. The administration added that if Arizona businesses knowingly use illegal immigrants, the businesses can have any of their state licenses suspended or revoked.

Lower courts have said that the Arizona law is not pre-empted by the federal law. That should be reversed, acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal said in the Supreme Court filing.

The Arizona law disrupts "a careful balance that Congress struck nearly 25 years ago between two interests of the highest importance: ensuring that employers do not undermine enforcement of immigration laws by hiring unauthorized workers, while also ensuring that employers not discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities legally in the country," Katyal wrote.

Phoenix attorney Julie Pace, representing the trade associations that are challenging the Arizona law, called the Obama administration's position "good news that the federal government has gone on record supporting the legal challenge to the constitutionality" of the Arizona law.

[BFT3K]

Without illegal laborers, food prices in the US would double almost instantly, construction work would cost more, hotel and restaurant prices would jump, and so on.

It is so ridiculous to blame the people who come here, for paid work, rather than cut off the opportunities at the source.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but this situation is truly absurd!

How many of you will be willing to make BELOW McDonalds salaries, to perform backbreaking work?

Think about it...

[BestXXXPorn]

The Federal Government knows no limits these days... they just blatantly pass and enforce shit completely beyond their scope...

[ASW]

this doesnt make sence to me why would he let that pass if the can jump the boarder to come here they need to get green cards an i think they should need to be able to speak english an if they cant learn it then they dont deserve to be here point blank we had to learn to speak english

[ASW]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Without illegal laborers, food prices in the US would double almost instantly, construction work would cost more, hotel and restaurant prices would jump, and so on.

It is so ridiculous to blame the people who come here, for paid work, rather than cut off the opportunities at the source.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but this situation is truly absurd!

How many of you will be willing to make BELOW McDonalds salaries, to perform backbreaking work?

Think about it...

then i think they should get a green card then if they gonna be here cuz if they hurt some one they dont go to jail here the get shipped back an many familys have had this happin where no justice was served

[PenisFace]

Originally Posted by ASW

this doesnt make sence to me why would he let that pass if the can jump the boarder to come here they need to get green cards an i think they should need to be able to speak english an if they cant learn it then they dont deserve to be here point blank we had to learn to speak english

Use periods.

[Tom_PM]

He's being short sighted. If a state really wants to go after businesses that hire illegals, they can just pull some permits and close the entire business. He could be just upping the ante on this pile of monkey muffins.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ASW

this doesnt make sence to me why would he let that pass if the can jump the boarder to come here they need to get green cards an i think they should need to be able to speak english an if they cant learn it then they dont deserve to be here point blank we had to learn to speak english

You could have fooled me.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by ASW

this doesnt make sence to me why would he let that pass if the can jump the boarder to come here they need to get green cards an i think they should need to be able to speak english an if they cant learn it then they dont deserve to be here point blank we had to learn to speak english

here in Arizona illegals teach their children(anchor babies) spanish as their first language so their dumb mistake the tax payers pay for. there's a program set up to teach them english.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Without illegal laborers, food prices in the US would double almost instantly, construction work would cost more, hotel and restaurant prices would jump, and so on.

It is so ridiculous to blame the people who come here, for paid work, rather than cut off the opportunities at the source.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but this situation is truly absurd!

How many of you will be willing to make BELOW McDonalds salaries, to perform backbreaking work?

Think about it...

Then why in States like Oklahoma where it is Criminal to hire an illegal, housing costs haven't increased or food costs?

It's simple really... Lets take housing, if the demand is to build 10 houses and it takes 3 companies do build those 10, and 1 has all/some illegals. When that Company can't operate anymore, the other two legal companies grow, hire more staff and "keep the supply of money in the Country" through legal workers. This also puts more money into American consumers which statistically purchase more than anyone, and again keep the supply of money in the Country.

Farmers are watched by ICE pretty hard and have clear paths to temp labor during harvest time. So them abusing them system, is nothing more than pure ass stupidity and abuse. Anyway, that's another reason why food costs won't increase.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Without illegal laborers, food prices in the US would double almost instantly, construction work would cost more, hotel and restaurant prices would jump, and so on.

It is so ridiculous to blame the people who come here, for paid work, rather than cut off the opportunities at the source.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but this situation is truly absurd!

How many of you will be willing to make BELOW McDonalds salaries, to perform backbreaking work?

Think about it...

This is such BS reasoning. Food prices wouldnt increase at all. Instead of illegals they would just hire teenagers again for minimum wage, the way it used to be. Back in the day it was a teenage right of passage to work at a fast food joint (think Fast Times at Ridgemont High). Now you're hard pressed to find any (at least in Vegas/Southwest).

That would solve a few other social issues as well.

[PornMD]

Originally Posted by Atticus

This is such BS reasoning. Food prices wouldnt increase at all. Instead of illegals they would just hire teenagers again for minimum wage, the way it used to be. Back in the day it was a teenage right of passage to work at a fast food joint (think Fast Times at Ridgemont High). Now you're hard pressed to find any (at least in Vegas/Southwest).

That would solve a few other social issues as well.

Word. There are legal workers that will work that cheap but most of the people hiring illegals assume there aren't. Kids kids kids!

[DudeRick]

[TheDoc]

^ Is Obama saying DukeRick is an Epic Failure? Sure seems to be pointing that way....

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

^ Is Obama saying DukeRick is an Epic Failure? Sure seems to be pointing that way....

Jimmy Carter II

Biotch....

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

^ Is Obama saying DukeRick is an Epic Failure? Sure seems to be pointing that way....

BURN!!!

[DudeRick]

[kane]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Without illegal laborers, food prices in the US would double almost instantly, construction work would cost more, hotel and restaurant prices would jump, and so on.

It is so ridiculous to blame the people who come here, for paid work, rather than cut off the opportunities at the source.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but this situation is truly absurd!

How many of you will be willing to make BELOW McDonalds salaries, to perform backbreaking work?

Think about it...

Actually this isn't true. There was a story on CNN (I think, but it may have been another news network) several months ago where they pointed out that they could triple rages for field workers and it would end up costing the average family about $50-$100 a year more in food costs.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Without illegal laborers, food prices in the US would double almost instantly, construction work would cost more, hotel and restaurant prices would jump, and so on.

It is so ridiculous to blame the people who come here, for paid work, rather than cut off the opportunities at the source.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, but this situation is truly absurd!

How many of you will be willing to make BELOW McDonalds salaries, to perform backbreaking work?

Think about it...

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[BFT3K]

Legal US workers - teenagers or otherwise - get paid at a MINIMUM of minimum wage. They have rights, and if some shit goes down, they often sue their employers.

As long as the work is "on the books" employers have to match certain taxes (ie unemplyment, social security, etc.).

Legal workers have legal rights.

On one hand you guys want to bitch that there are over 12 million illegals in this country taking your jobs, and on the other hand you guys want to pretend they do not work here.

None of you will pick fucking fruits and vegetables for minimum wage, let alone BELOW minimum wage, so don't even pretend you would.

After decades of this debate you are now going to blame Obama?! FUCK YOU!

Bush let in over 5 million illegals, just while he was governor of fucking TEXAS douche bags!

This debate is ridiculous. Even fucking McCain agreed to a reasonable path to citizenship (which is probably the best plan), until the righties went further right.

Now he denies it, and denies being a "maverick" as well.

Fuck off!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Legal US workers - teenagers or otherwise - get paid at a MINIMUM of minimum wage. They have rights, and if some shit goes down, they often sue their employers.

As long as the work is "on the books" employers have to match certain taxes (ie unemplyment, social security, etc.).

Legal workers have legal rights.

On one hand you guys want to bitch that there are over 12 million illegals in this country taking your jobs, and on the other hand you guys want to pretend they do not work here.

None of you will pick fucking fruits and vegetables for minimum wage, let alone BELOW minimum wage, so don't even pretend you would.

After decades of this debate you are now going to blame Obama?! FUCK YOU!

Bush let in over 5 million illegals, just while he was governor of fucking TEXAS douche bags!

This debate is ridiculous. Even fucking McCain agreed to a reasonable path to citizenship (which is probably the best plan), until the righties went further right.

Now he denies it, and denies being a "maverick" as well.

Fuck off!

Again, farms have paths to bring in workers, cheaper than normal labor, no insurance, etc.. Most Farms have laws/rules that govern them to check for legal status of citizenship. As well they have rather easy paths to bring workers in for harvest times. They can lose the farm if they hire illegals.

Last year Vermont dairy farms were busted, some 2000 Mexican workers, almost all legal workers here on a Visa, working for far less than min wage. However some mixed in had illegal ID's....

We have a reasonable path to citizenship, it just takes awhile. Farm visa wise, it's no issue at all. The problem is almost all illegals crossing over the southern border, wouldn't have ever qualified for citizenship or a real work visa in the first place.

[Coup]

If you think that's bad.. you should read this thread. Fucking Insane!

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=971883

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Legal US workers - teenagers or otherwise - get paid at a MINIMUM of minimum wage. They have rights, and if some shit goes down, they often sue their employers.

As long as the work is "on the books" employers have to match certain taxes (ie unemplyment, social security, etc.).

So what you are saying is big government and over regulation has caused there to be a need for cheap undocumented workers?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Atticus

This is such BS reasoning. Food prices wouldnt increase at all. Instead of illegals they would just hire teenagers again for minimum wage, the way it used to be. Back in the day it was a teenage right of passage to work at a fast food joint (think Fast Times at Ridgemont High). Now you're hard pressed to find any (at least in Vegas/Southwest).

That would solve a few other social issues as well.

No doubt. But, I seem to notice that kids seem a lot less eager to go out and work. I know that kids that want to work always seem to be able to find jobs. Most don't really want to, or are too picky about where they will work.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

None of you will pick fucking fruits and vegetables for minimum wage, let alone BELOW minimum wage, so don't even pretend you would.

Everyone here makes 6 figures, that's why. There are plenty of unemployed Americans that would, and don't post on GFY.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Legal US workers - teenagers or otherwise - get paid at a MINIMUM of minimum wage. They have rights, and if some shit goes down, they often sue their employers.

As long as the work is "on the books" employers have to match certain taxes (ie unemplyment, social security, etc.).

Legal workers have legal rights.

On one hand you guys want to bitch that there are over 12 million illegals in this country taking your jobs, and on the other hand you guys want to pretend they do not work here.

None of you will pick fucking fruits and vegetables for minimum wage, let alone BELOW minimum wage, so don't even pretend you would.

After decades of this debate you are now going to blame Obama?! FUCK YOU!

Bush let in over 5 million illegals, just while he was governor of fucking TEXAS douche bags!

This debate is ridiculous. Even fucking McCain agreed to a reasonable path to citizenship (which is probably the best plan), until the righties went further right.

Now he denies it, and denies being a "maverick" as well.

Fuck off!

It's not just fruit pickers man. In FL for example the illegals have taken over most construction jobs. There are plenty of Americans that are willing to do that job.

I agree on the fruit picking thing as no one wants to do that, but it's not the only jobs they take.

I support Obama on most things but IMO he should stay out of this Arizona thing. TBH, it doesn't matter what the Oval office says, the state will find a way to do it one way or another, right or wrong. (Look at Cali and the Pot stuff for example)

I think the law likely violates peoples rights, but that's something the court system should find out, and not something the Fed govt should be getting involved in.

To be fair, the only reason he's getting involved is because Mexico is bitching up a storm about it, so it's causing international issues between our two countries. Not that it matters to me, but really we do need a good working relationship with Mexico or the immigration and drug smuggling will get even worse.

If not for the international issues, I don't think he would be getting involved in this..

[PornMD]

Originally Posted by baddog

No doubt. But, I seem to notice that kids seem a lot less eager to go out and work. I know that kids that want to work always seem to be able to find jobs. Most don't really want to, or are too picky about where they will work.

The difference is less in the kids and more in the parenting I think. Even just 10-15 years ago when I was a teenager, my parents made me start paying rent. These days, parents let their teenagers do whatever they want because they're afraid of making them more rebellious or some shit. "Hands off" parenting.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by ASW

this doesnt make sence to me why would he let that pass if the can jump the boarder to come here they need to get green cards an i think they should need to be able to speak english an if they cant learn it then they dont deserve to be here point blank we had to learn to speak english

While we're forcing all these people to learn English, why not also force them to be blond, 6 ft tall, middle class with a meager 401k, a healthy fear of the IRS, and married with 2.3 kids. Sound good?

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Legal US workers - teenagers or otherwise - get paid at a MINIMUM of minimum wage. They have rights, and if some shit goes down, they often sue their employers.

As long as the work is "on the books" employers have to match certain taxes (ie unemplyment, social security, etc.).

Legal workers have legal rights.

On one hand you guys want to bitch that there are over 12 million illegals in this country taking your jobs, and on the other hand you guys want to pretend they do not work here.

None of you will pick fucking fruits and vegetables for minimum wage, let alone BELOW minimum wage, so don't even pretend you would.

After decades of this debate you are now going to blame Obama?! FUCK YOU!

Bush let in over 5 million illegals, just while he was governor of fucking TEXAS douche bags!

This debate is ridiculous. Even fucking McCain agreed to a reasonable path to citizenship (which is probably the best plan), until the righties went further right.

Now he denies it, and denies being a "maverick" as well.

Fuck off!

Once again, what you're not grasping is that when you take out the illegal immigrant equation and the corporations have to pay a higher wage, Americans and legal immigrants will do the job. Yes, nobody with a brain or not desperate will pick fruit for $3 an hour. Hire legal workers and raise that to $10-$15 an hour and you will have takers.

It's a total line of crap to make the blanket statement that illegals are doing the jobs that Americans refuse to do. The accurate statement is illegals are doing the job that Americans refuse to do for that price.

The fundamental problem is the business industry that hires these illegal workers to drive down wages. And now Obama is pressing to overturn laws that punish these businesses for hiring them. Thus the thread title.

Stop spending so much time (money) on the border trying to keep people out and spend more time (money) drastically increasing the punishments for businesses that hire illegals. Massive fines, closures, jail time. Make the risk greater than the reward of cheap labor. When the jobs run out you wont need to spend as much on the border as they wont be trying to get in. Fight the cause, not the effect.

[kicks]

This link may have been posted before in other threads, if so, sorry, Detailed Immigration Numbers if it has not been posted before then I hope it is helpful.

Here are a few of the listed numbers there but they have a lot more information including how they arrived at the numbers. These are national numbers not state.

Illegal Aliens in Country: 22,822,784
Other Than Mexican Illegals in Country: 581,382
Money Wired to Mexico Since Jan 2006; $31,469,820,000+
Children of Illegals in Public School; 5,067,119
Illegal Aliens Incarcerated; 423,275
Illegal Alien Fugitives; 743,556
Skilled Jobs Provided to Illegal Aliens :11,636,000

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's not just fruit pickers man. In FL for example the illegals have taken over most construction jobs. There are plenty of Americans that are willing to do that job.

I agree on the fruit picking thing as no one wants to do that, but it's not the only jobs they take.

I support Obama on most things but IMO he should stay out of this Arizona thing. TBH, it doesn't matter what the Oval office says, the state will find a way to do it one way or another, right or wrong. (Look at Cali and the Pot stuff for example)

I think the law likely violates peoples rights, but that's something the court system should find out, and not something the Fed govt should be getting involved in.

To be fair, the only reason he's getting involved is because Mexico is bitching up a storm about it, so it's causing international issues between our two countries. Not that it matters to me, but really we do need a good working relationship with Mexico or the immigration and drug smuggling will get even worse.

If not for the international issues, I don't think he would be getting involved in this..

It's pretty obvious the Democrats are getting involved and making it their fight to court the Hispanic vote. They know they have their hands full in the upcoming elections and if they can get Hispanics into the voting booths because of this hot button issue they'll vote Democrat. Might even allow them to take traditionally Red states like AZ and TX.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Atticus

It's pretty obvious the Democrats are getting involved and making it their fight to court the Hispanic vote. They know they have their hands full in the upcoming elections and if they can get Hispanics into the voting booths because of this hot button issue they'll vote Democrat. Might even allow them to take traditionally Red states like AZ and TX.

If it was about votes he would be supporting the law.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Atticus

It's pretty obvious the Democrats are getting involved and making it their fight to court the Hispanic vote. They know they have their hands full in the upcoming elections and if they can get Hispanics into the voting booths because of this hot button issue they'll vote Democrat. Might even allow them to take traditionally Red states like AZ and TX.

Yep. Hispanics typically do vote democrat, when they vote. The democrats see this as a way to motivate those Hispanic voters during a time when they may not be to interested in voting.

[Redmanthatcould]

Blah blah blah I all of sudden care about everything the government does blah blah blah I know everything blah blah blah

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Blah blah blah I all of sudden care about everything the government does blah blah blah I know everything blah blah blah

that's depressing.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

If it was about votes he would be supporting the law.

No, he understands that his base is going to support him no matter what and a typical Democrat will still vote Democrat regardless of his views on the illegal immigration issue. But what it does do is motivate the Hispanic base ( a group that usually produces a low turnout) and when they enter the voting booth, who do you think they'll vote for?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Atticus

No, he understands that his base is going to support him no matter what and a typical Democrat will still vote Democrat regardless of his views on the illegal immigration issue. But what it does do is motivate the Hispanic base ( a group that usually produces a low turnout) and when they enter the voting booth, who do you think they'll vote for?

Hispanics are divided on the issue as much as anyone else.

The door would swing both ways, if they're for it and he goes against it, it could motivate them to vote against him or the democrats. If this is going to drive people to out and vote, then it works both ways.

However the law is going to be found to be legal, AZ is going to enforce it and by Nov this won't be a topic that anyone cares about.

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Blah blah blah I all of sudden care about everything the government does blah blah blah I know everything blah blah blah

Are you the kid from the gingers have no soals video?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by PornMD

The difference is less in the kids and more in the parenting I think. Even just 10-15 years ago when I was a teenager, my parents made me start paying rent. These days, parents let their teenagers do whatever they want because they're afraid of making them more rebellious or some shit. "Hands off" parenting.

Not pointing fingers, just an observation.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

While we're forcing all these people to learn English, why not also force them to be blond, 6 ft tall, middle class with a meager 401k, a healthy fear of the IRS, and married with 2.3 kids. Sound good?

The troll is strong with this one.

[mrjoint]

Saying that no american will pick fruits or do any hard labor is full of crap. This is the bullshit Media has been feeding you. Stop drinking the media's cool aid.

There are 1000's of Americans who are un employed and will do anything to find work. They will do anything to put food on the table. So stop talking like idiots. Whether its working on farms or doing constructions or even washing dishes. There are people who are willing to do that.

I personally know few well educated people here in the SF who are doing odd jobs now to pay their bills. Yes they all wished they had their dream jobs , but when you are hungry you will do anything to buy food.

Businesses hire illegals so they can milk them out for all they want and know darn well they won't report to any one. You think their working conditions meets country's safety guidelines ??? hell no. There are 1000's of work related accidents and abuse goes behind these closed factory walls that go un reported. So by enforcing this law, we are actually helping the workers.

If every state enforce the law and go after businesses that are heiring undocumented workers, we will not have this problem. Illegals only come to US, because they know well they can get work, open bank accounts, buy house and do everything as they please and no one will do anything about it.

If each state, enforce its & federal law by the book, no one will want to hire illegals. Stop drinking the cool aid that the media feeds you. I am sure you have at least some basic critical thinking skills to see passed these smoke screens.

Let Arizona do its thing. I wish California will do the same, start cracking down on illegals and businesses who employ them. If that is going to make me not be able to buy Jack in the box's Value meal for $3, let it be. I will eat less and be less fat.

Stop pretending its a human right violation. This fucking country is broke, states are broke, but we keep bitching about how its not fair for the illegals.

How about the kids in the US who are starving, because their parents working the mines don't make enough to put food on their table or can afford to send them to school ? How about families with both parents working and still can't afford health insurance for their kids ????

Why not focus all our energy into addressing these issues before crying about how we are pissing Mexico. Or violating someones right by asking them for their ID or passport ??

Tell me one country that will not throw you in jail for not having your papers on you???

Yes it will suck, families will be torn apart, businesses will fail, blah blah blah, but at least down the road US will be able to provide a better quality life for its citizens. There are 1000's of foreign workers enter US every year on workers visa. Yes its tough to get a US visa, but its also what allows US to attract the real qualified talent.

Let Arizona enforce its law.

[goodsites]

jeez, everything is party bullshit these days and getting tiring, you
politician morons get stupider every day just trying to spew shit against your oponents.

This spin on Obama, will blow up in your face, Obama has already quietly sent back more illegal immigrants this year, then supposedly the last 10 years of presidents combined.. or something ridiculous like that..

There's a reason for it too.. It's called, making the health care system work, by removing the responsibility of caring for these illegals.

And he did it right under your nose, and you never saw it.. I did

[goodsites]

Originally Posted by mrjoint

Saying that no american will pick fruits or do any hard labor is full of crap. This is the bullshit Media has been feeding you. Stop drinking the media's cool aid.

There are 1000's of Americans who are un employed and will do anything to find work. They will do anything to put food on the table. So stop talking like idiots. Whether its working on farms or doing constructions or even washing dishes. There are people who are willing to do that.

I personally know few well educated people here in the SF who are doing odd jobs now to pay their bills. Yes they all wished they had their dream jobs , but when you are hungry you will do anything to buy food.

Businesses hire illegals so they can milk them out for all they want and know darn well they won't report to any one. You think their working conditions meets country's safety guidelines ??? hell no. There are 1000's of work related accidents and abuse goes behind these closed factory walls that go un reported. So by enforcing this law, we are actually helping the workers.

If every state enforce the law and go after businesses that are heiring undocumented workers, we will not have this problem. Illegals only come to US, because they know well they can get work, open bank accounts, buy house and do everything as they please and no one will do anything about it.

If each state, enforce its & federal law by the book, no one will want to hire illegals. Stop drinking the cool aid that the media feeds you. I am sure you have at least some basic critical thinking skills to see passed these smoke screens.

Let Arizona do its thing. I wish California will do the same, start cracking down on illegals and businesses who employ them. If that is going to make me not be able to buy Jack in the box's Value meal for $3, let it be. I will eat less and be less fat.

Stop pretending its a human right violation. This fucking country is broke, states are broke, but we keep bitching about how its not fair for the illegals.

How about the kids in the US who are starving, because their parents working the mines don't make enough to put food on their table or can afford to send them to school ? How about families with both parents working and still can't afford health insurance for their kids ????

Why not focus all our energy into addressing these issues before crying about how we are pissing Mexico. Or violating someones right by asking them for their ID or passport ??

Tell me one country that will not throw you in jail for not having your papers on you???

Yes it will suck, families will be torn apart, businesses will fail, blah blah blah, but at least down the road US will be able to provide a better quality life for its citizens. There are 1000's of foreign workers enter US every year on workers visa. Yes its tough to get a US visa, but its also what allows US to attract the real qualified talent.

Let Arizona enforce its law.

Oh you are just wasting your time man, its a game they are palying.. you see they are the business owners of the ones working this cheap, so THEY themselves can pocket the profits... They are going to lose their profits.. thats what the beef is about.. Then America has to go back to work... This is what they know and fear.....

It will be the ressurection of this country, these are the fat fucks brining our country to its knees that have to be removed.. These are the fucks that dont want health care for everyone.. Cuz they have a system they exploit and want to keep it.

No sense arguing.. its just a bunch of slop slinging

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Im having this made into a poster,maybe a billboard!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by goodsites

jeez, everything is party bullshit these days and getting tiring, you
politician morons get stupider every day just trying to spew shit against your oponents.

This spin on Obama, will blow up in your face, Obama has already quietly sent back more illegal immigrants this year, then supposedly the last 10 years of presidents combined.. or something ridiculous like that..

There's a reason for it too.. It's called, making the health care system work, by removing the responsibility of caring for these illegals.

And he did it right under your nose, and you never saw it.. I did

Wow, thats funny
The illegals are going back because the economy here SUCKS!
That and they need to get more drugs to bring across

[brassmonkey]

i forgot its election time and obama is trying to get the hispanic votes