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Old 06-08-2010, 12:45 PM   #51
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:46 PM   #52
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I used to never think so. Reminds me of the Hamas killing in Dubai. Israeli agents pretending to be british travelers.

it makes to much sense for Israel to pull off 911 to help gain support from the american public for war in the middle east using Americas proxy army.

Israel is worried about Iran more than any other nation in the middle east. Iran is not an easy nation to just invade.



take a look at where Afghanistan and Iraq are strategically located. why else would they invade Iraq? it is simple they wanted to surround Iran.

After 911 the american public were easy to persuade into going into war in Afghanistan. This brought up alot of Muslim hatred and in turn made it easy to also win support in invading Iraq.

im not big into conspiracy theory but it is all starting to make a little more sense.

why are they still in Iraq an Afghanistan? simple. Israel could never attack Iraq and Afghanistan directly. it would have brought up to much hatred in the world causing all out world war. they are their because Israel wants them to be there. they used 911 and the americans as an excuse on a global scale to invade.

instead they attack the towers, blame it on the muslims and put americas proxy army into use.

it is so clever it is not even funny.
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why is this turned into anti-semetism?

keep to the topic at hand.

if you cant understand what a highly advanced intelligence community is capable of their is no hope for you.
WTF do you know about highly advanced intelligence communities?

Most people don't even know how their car engine or the economy works. What's your job again? Porn webmaster? So besides what you've read on the internet and seen in fictional movies.. what expertise do you have in the world of intelligence and international esbionage?

You wouldn't even know how the cracker factory works, yet you know the operational capabilities of Mossad? lulz.
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i think its spot on the question. you're asking about bin laden and what you think you know about him vs reality. i am in turn asking "who is bin laden?" and what really is "al qaida?"

knowing these would definitely put the puzzle into more perspective as far as the relationship you mentioned is concerned.

here is one scenario- what if someone approached bin laden and said "you will be the mastermind behind an incredible terror plot which will give you messiah like status, all you have to do is take credit for it."
yes, i know what you are getting at. you are saying it should be common sense that such a relationship exists.

thus the pull your head out comment, question asking, etc. i understand all that.

what i am driving at is none of this is tied to any facts. there's just as much history to suggest that such a partnership could never carry out such an elaborate scheme successfully.
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I know what I know, and accept what I don't. The reality I cling to is.. reality. Planes crashed, people died. Missiles, conspiracies, cover-ups - doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

It's a political issue for Americans, all your beliefs are tied into politics and all these other issues, your whole society is "us vs. them" - democrats vs. republicans, good vs. evil, truth vs. lies - you are raised this way.

So for you, if I'm not on your team, I must have some other, opposite beliefs that are just unacceptable. In the 9/11 context, this means that because I don't share your beliefs I am a 'sheep' who 'accepts the story' and I lack some kind of intellectual insight because I can't 'accept the truth'. I 'have my head in the sand' and can't 'wake up to what's really going on'. It's called the 'out-group homogeneity effect' whereby you apply the same attributes to all those who aren't part of your 'in-group'. You obviously hold a set of beliefs that are not up for debate, and regardless of what I might think, as soon as I don't hold those same beliefs.. that's the end of it.

The geo-political implications from the events of that day can be studied and argued and debated regardless of the method of the attack. Finding out the 'truth' is an empty pursuit and a playground for the small minded. But feel free to seek justice and some kind of great catharsis in discovering 'the truth'.

I'll end by saying - there is nothing to argue, your beliefs about 9/11 are religious in nature and there is no 'debate' or even intelligent conversion with a 9/11 zealot (irony intended).

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WTF do you know about highly advanced intelligence communities?

Most people don't even know how their car engine or the economy works. What's your job again? Porn webmaster? So besides what you've read on the internet and seen in fictional movies.. what expertise do you have in the world of intelligence and international esbionage?

You wouldn't even know how the cracker factory works, yet you know the operational capabilities of Mossad? lulz.
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I know what I know, and accept what I don't. The reality I cling to is.. reality. Planes crashed, people died. Missiles, conspiracies, cover-ups - doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

It's a political issue for Americans, all your beliefs are tied into politics and all these other issues, your whole society is "us vs. them" - democrats vs. republicans, good vs. evil, truth vs. lies - you are raised this way.

So for you, if I'm not on your team, I must have some other, opposite beliefs that are just unacceptable. In the 9/11 context, this means that because I don't share your beliefs I am a 'sheep' who 'accepts the story' and I lack some kind of intellectual insight because I can't 'accept the truth'. I 'have my head in the sand' and can't 'wake up to what's really going on'. It's called the 'out-group homogeneity effect' whereby you apply the same attributes to all those who aren't part of your 'in-group'. You obviously hold a set of beliefs that are not up for debate, and regardless of what I might think, as soon as I don't hold those same beliefs.. that's the end of it.

The geo-political implications from the events of that day can be studied and argued and debated regardless of the method of the attack. Finding out the 'truth' is an empty pursuit and a playground for the small minded. But feel free to seek justice and some kind of great catharsis in discovering 'the truth'.

I'll end by saying - there is nothing to argue, your beliefs about 9/11 are religious in nature and there is no 'debate' or even intelligent conversion with a 9/11 zealot (irony intended).
Makes all the difference in the world. If you buy into a mindset without question then you are a useful tool.
If you believe the sky is blue and the earth is green then you may continue your existence as such, but without questioning the powers that be and the "truth" which you are spoonfed, you are in essence following the mantra of those who you hate thru the propaganda disseminated.

And one last for implying my beliefs are religious in nature, for i am an atheist.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:56 PM   #59
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WTF do you know about highly advanced intelligence communities?

Most people don't even know how their car engine or the economy works. What's your job again? Porn webmaster? So besides what you've read on the internet and seen in fictional movies.. what expertise do you have in the world of intelligence and international esbionage?

You wouldn't even know how the cracker factory works, yet you know the operational capabilities of Mossad? lulz.
please point out where i said i know the operational capabilities of Mossad?

i obviously do not fully understand what every operation is. but i can guarantee you when they do operate, they do not do so in a matter in which everything that is on the surface is truth. that would trump the point of them being an intelligence agency in the first place.

i simply said if you cannot see reason in why they are able to pull off large scale operations there is no hope for you.

i know about being a porn webmaster. and they know about how to pull off large scale operations. it is apples to oranges.

i said i know what they are capable of. and they are defiantly capable of pulling off large scale plots.

how do you think the Mossad got into Dubai and killed a Hamas official with British passports? this is what they do for a living. they pull off operations in utter secrecy. that is their job now isnt it?

now i know you want to make yourself sound cool by throwing out jabs about cracker factories and twisting the thread into race war. but do your best to clear your emotions or you are pointless to converse with.

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I know what I know, and accept what I don't. The reality I cling to is.. reality. Planes crashed, people died. Missiles, conspiracies, cover-ups - doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

It's a political issue for Americans, all your beliefs are tied into politics and all these other issues, your whole society is "us vs. them" - democrats vs. republicans, good vs. evil, truth vs. lies - you are raised this way.

So for you, if I'm not on your team, I must have some other, opposite beliefs that are just unacceptable. In the 9/11 context, this means that because I don't share your beliefs I am a 'sheep' who 'accepts the story' and I lack some kind of intellectual insight because I can't 'accept the truth'. I 'have my head in the sand' and can't 'wake up to what's really going on'. It's called the 'out-group homogeneity effect' whereby you apply the same attributes to all those who aren't part of your 'in-group'. You obviously hold a set of beliefs that are not up for debate, and regardless of what I might think, as soon as I don't hold those same beliefs.. that's the end of it.

The geo-political implications from the events of that day can be studied and argued and debated regardless of the method of the attack. Finding out the 'truth' is an empty pursuit and a playground for the small minded. But feel free to seek justice and some kind of great catharsis in discovering 'the truth'.
(trimmed the end off)

While I can agree with this in general principle, I must disagree that the 'truth' is an 'empty pursuit'. Discovering the real methods, strategies & tactics employed in that event no doubt would be quite valuable to a great many people. For example, if... and make sure that word sticks.... IF the government was behind it, we would certainly like to pull the curtain on that and prevent them from murdering their own populations yet again the next time they need to position military units somewhere in the world and need to whip up a good excuse to rally support.
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how do you think the Mossad got into Dubai and killed a Hamas official with British passports? this is what they do for a living. they pull off operations in utter secrecy. that is their job now isnt it?
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did you see the hotel video footage of that? it was the 3 stooges' version of a hit.
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yes, i know what you are getting at. you are saying it should be common sense that such a relationship exists.

thus the pull your head out comment, question asking, etc. i understand all that.

what i am driving at is none of this is tied to any facts. there's just as much history to suggest that such a partnership could never carry out such an elaborate scheme successfully.
was the scheme that elaborate? i missed that one, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

also we should back up here, i was not saying people should think that there was a bin laden -mossad - u.s. connection, i am saying people should definitely be thinking that the official story given as truth is false. thats it.
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Makes all the difference in the world. If you buy into a mindset without question then you are a useful tool.
If you believe the sky is blue and the earth is green then you may continue your existence as such, but without questioning the powers that be and the "truth" which you are spoonfed, you are in essence following the mantra of those who you hate thru the propaganda disseminated.

And one last for implying my beliefs are religious in nature, for i am an atheist.
Perhaps you can't read - you have no idea what mindset I have, you just assume it is the opposite of yours.

Once again, you impose boogeyman logic by suggesting the need to question 'the powers that be'. There is no such thing, there is only chaos. There are just things happen in a big tangled web of causation, no invisible hand.. no 'powers that be' just agents - individuals, organizations, governments, nation-states - actors who can, either individually or collectively, make decisions that have intended and unintended consequences.

And yes, your beliefs are religious in nature. Human's have an innate drive to hold religious-type beliefs. Organized monotheism has been the staple outlet (in terms of raw hits) for these beliefs for several thousand years. Since you are a self-proclaimed atheist, monotheism doesn't fill that void. So, you fill the void by projecting your need onto things other than organized religion.

In short, everyone needs to believe in something to maintain the suspended disbelief necessary to live a happy existence. I'm sure 9/11 is just one example of where you project your need to hold beliefs.

Don't worry about me Caligari, I am not a lost soul. My mind is not a playground for propaganda espoused by the boogeyman. You don't need to save me and baptize me into the "9/11 truth seekers of latter day Internet detectives"
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was the scheme that elaborate? i missed that one, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

also we should back up here, i was not saying people should think that there was a bin laden -mossad - u.s. connection, i am saying people should definitely be thinking that the official story given as truth is false. thats it.
well, if faking hijacking 4 airliners full of passengers and ramming them into 100 story buildings preloaded with nano-thermite, the pentagon, etc. and having bldg 7 collapse later as *tagential* damage all orchestrated by the biggest government(s) in the world corroborating resources with terrorist organizations, et al is an elaborate scheme, then yes.

and re: the official story, what do you mean? what is the official story?
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please point out where i said i know the operational capabilities of Mossad?

i obviously do not fully understand what every operation is. but i can guarantee you when they do operate, they do not do so in a matter in which everything that is on the surface is truth. that would trump the point of them being an intelligence agency in the first place.

i simply said if you cannot see reason in why they are able to pull off large scale operations there is no hope for you.

i know about being a porn webmaster. and they know about how to pull off large scale operations. it is apples to oranges.

i said i know what they are capable of. and they are defiantly capable of pulling off large scale plots.

how do you think the Mossad got into Dubai and killed a Hamas official with British passports? this is what they do for a living. they pull off operations in utter secrecy. that is their job now isnt it?

now i know you want to make yourself sound cool by throwing out jabs about cracker factories and twisting the thread into race war. but do your best to clear your emotions or you are pointless to converse with.
As a fellow Canadian I hold no ill will towards you (Canadian is a race, right?), but the cracker factory comment was comedy gold.

mayabong is a self-proclaimed anti-semite, holocaust denier and all around nut job - so those comments are strictly directed towards him.

And for conversing - I dare you to find 5 other people who you could actually have an intelligent conversation with on GFY that wouldn't degenerate into name calling or an accusation of shaving.

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and i left out the most elaborate part- the motive. it's so elaborate, i don't even understand it well enough to put it in words.
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As a fellow Canadian I hold no ill will towards you (Canadian is a race, right?), but the cracker factory comment was comedy gold.

mayabong is a self-proclaimed anti-semite, holocaust denier and all around nut job - so those comments are strictly directed towards him.

And for conversing - I dare you to find 5 other people who you could actually have an intelligent conversation with on GFY that wouldn't degenerate into name calling or an accusation of shaving.

hehe i dont care about what group or race people come from be it jewish, black, white, muslim etc. i would have all of you over for drinks and even fill your glass. i am against the general grouping of people in the firstplace.

Zionists do exist. and of course people in power want to keep people who will help keep them in power in power. does that make sense?

i used to think otherwise on this 911 issue, but irans surroundings are to obvious to look away.

i am not calling the people of israel evil either, it is peoples govts who are evil. i think the majority of people just want to live in peace and be happy.

but when it looks and quacks like a duck i am going to call it a duck. no matter what race or group that duck is from.

can you not see the map surrounding iran and understand my logic?

govts and friends of govts have plotted against eachother for centuries this is not different in my opinion. for me to think a guy in a cave named "osama" had everything to do with this just doesnt mould right for me.

i dont visit 911 truth sites i read history and try to draw my own conclusions.

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and i left out the most elaborate part- the motive. it's so elaborate, i don't even understand it well enough to put it in words.
Are we talking about Israel or 9/11 in general? This thread needs some guidance by the creator. (Not "god", I mean MetaMan)
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Are we talking about Israel or 9/11 in general? This thread needs some guidance by the creator. (Not "god", I mean MetaMan)
LOL at god creator

911 and why it is in Israels interest to surround Iran is all i am saying.
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hell, either one!
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911 and why it is in Israels interest to surround Iran is all i am saying.
so it's your position that israel orchestrated 9/11 in a tail wagging maneuver to get bushie to invade iraq?
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so it's your position that israel orchestrated 9/11 in a tail wagging maneuver to get bushie to invade iraq?
yes i fully believe israel plotted 911 to create a spin against the muslims.

i dont think bush jr had full knowledge but with the relationship his dad had with iraq i think he was more than happy to go along with everything once the ball started rolling.
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The only people to benefit from 9/11 were the Israelis. Through the blood of young American soldiers and the sweat of hard working Americans.

Who else benefited from it? Nobody. Why is there even a discussion about this, you look at who benefits from it and 99% of the time they are behind it. Case closed.
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At some point the countries around Israel will attack them again, maybe all at the same time.

At that point does the US join Israel and go to war with everyone in the region just to help save this ridiculous made-up state/country again, or just let the natural laws of inevitability play themselves out?

Either way the US will be directly involved, as the US has completely funded and armed Israel to begin with.
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yes i fully believe israel plotted 911 to create a spin against the muslims.

i dont think bush jr had full knowledge but with the relationship his dad had with iraq i think he was more than happy to go along with everything once the ball started rolling.
i see, so now what?
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i see, so now what?
spread the word.

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Bilderberg Agenda Revealed: Globalists In Crisis, Supportive Of Attack On Iran
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderbe...k-on-iran.html


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Bilderberg Agenda Revealed: Globalists In Crisis, Supportive Of Attack On Iran
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderbe...k-on-iran.html


Investment Banker: It?s Going To Get Nasty ? Buy Land, Barbed Wire And Guns
http://www.infowars.com/investment-b...wire-and-guns/
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The US has NO REASON to attack Iran, even if Iran DOES get the bomb... no reason whatsoever!

If we get dragged into a war with Iran, it is all over - WWIII will have started, and for who's benefit?

Think about it...

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As a fellow Canadian I hold no ill will towards you (Canadian is a race, right?), but the cracker factory comment was comedy gold.

mayabong is a self-proclaimed anti-semite, holocaust denier and all around nut job - so those comments are strictly directed towards him.

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When did I proclaim to be an anti-semite? LOL

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Have anything other than funny animations?
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The US has NO REASON to attack Iran, even if Iran DOES get the bomb... no reason whatsoever!

If we get dragged into a war with Iran, it is all over - WWIII will have started, and for who's benefit?

Think about it...
Iran will be the last piece of the puzzle. Guaranteed any invasion of Iran will be made to look like it was completely Iran's own undoing. Just look at Iraq. Iraq was indeed an evil state, but the lies about WMDs is what put us there.

When it's time to take Iran, it will be taken. One way or another.
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Feds arrest analyst who allegedly exposed US Army killing of civilians
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Doctors group says Bush Administration conducted medical experiments on detainees
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0607/doc...nts-detainees/

Didn't Hitler do that?
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The tide is turning..

Bilderberg Agenda Revealed: Globalists In Crisis, Supportive Of Attack On Iran
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderbe...k-on-iran.html


Investment Banker: It?s Going To Get Nasty ? Buy Land, Barbed Wire And Guns
http://www.infowars.com/investment-b...wire-and-guns/
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Don't worry about me Caligari, I am not a lost soul. My mind is not a playground for propaganda espoused by the boogeyman. You don't need to save me and baptize me into the "9/11 truth seekers of latter day Internet detectives"
I don't think you're a lost soul, i think you're being revolves around applied ignorance which is far more tragic.
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Keep laughing.. Just don't come crying to me because you didn't care to listen...
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well, if faking hijacking 4 airliners full of passengers and ramming them into 100 story buildings preloaded with nano-thermite, the pentagon, etc. and having bldg 7 collapse later as *tagential* damage all orchestrated by the biggest government(s) in the world corroborating resources with terrorist organizations, et al is an elaborate scheme, then yes.

and re: the official story, what do you mean? what is the official story?
whoaaa there, i never said anything about faking hijackings, nano thermite...where did you get that from?
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Obama and (ballet dancer) Emanuel: members of gay bath club (run by Jeremiah Wright) in Chicago



http://hillbuzz.org/2010/05/23/someo...andersonville/

So many dirty little secrets so little time..

Have anything other than funny animations?
Really? When in doubt, accuse the other guy of being gay? How high-brow of you - demonize and marginalize, I guess both sides use the same tactics? What a sorry, pathetic scene US politics is.. I thought Canada was bad but you guys know no bounds.
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