dyna mo

i'm glad we're clear re: gulf oil exports.

Sausage

Good plan.

Unfortunately drilling for oil is critical for your economy in that region. BP has to compensate the fishermen etc, so if Obama manages to ram through this ban on drilling then I take it he will be compensating those affected by it.

Why don't you drill in shallower water? Its much much safer and if anything goes wrong much easier to cap.

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I guess Obama and his cap$trade cronies will have to blow up another one to show up this guy. BP wasn't really affected by the moratorium. They were already there. It was the competition that was going to go broke by spending millions to drag in the man made islands to do it and not being able to. The moratorium was just on the new drilling ops since Obama gave the green light months before this spill. My understanding is there are around 40k wells in the Gulf now those wouldn;t have been affected.

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BFT3K

Not 100% clear, but I don't know enough to argue with you on it.

Last I heard all oil drilled here in the states instantly becomes a fungible global commodity.

I was under the impression that big oil companies were multi-nationals, who invest in product wherever they can lease land, and sell it on the global market.

But hey, what do I know - you may be right.

bhutocracy

I'd be surprised if 90% of people didn't own shares in oil companies through their 401k's.

bhutocracy

Oil fields decline at a rate of up to 9% each year, it's like saying a farmer should protect his crop instead of harvesting it. They have to explore.

dyna mo

it's not a matter of me being right or wrong. it's a matter of the official data on the links i provided being right or wrong. i'm unsure why you think it would be an argument b/w you and me, i don't argue on the web. i try and engage in respectful dialogue.

bhutocracy

So Obama opening up offshore drilling leases a month before the spill was a conspiracy?

BFT3K

Your links say that X percentage of the oil drilled in the Gulf stays/is used, in the Gulf.

Not certain if that constitutes free oil however.

As long as it is still has to be paid for, it is irrelevant if it is drilled here or not.

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It was done to buy votes on cap&trade. It wasn't working so other measures had to be taken.... Such as blowing up a rig. Losing tens of billions on an oil rig is nothing compared to the hundreds of billions if not trillions of carbon credit derivatives BP, Goldman and the rest of them are banking on. BTW Goldman is raising $20 billion for BP by selling more derivatives which will cover their loses on the $20b Obama put on them. See how this conspiracy is working? They are covering each others asses. All hoping for the big payoff of taxing an element of all life.

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Let's say you owned a company. And said company had more or less it's 100+ year existance riding on one thing.. How far would you go to make it happen? Or let me rephrase that. How far do you think someone who cares about nothing more than money and power go?

Two very good timeline's of events sourced from mainstream sources.

States Need To Launch Criminal Investigation Into BP, Federal Government’s Role In Oil Spill
http://www.infowars.com/states-need-...-in-oil-spill/

RICO Investigation Needed NOW about Gulf, Energy, and CCX
http://www.patriotsheartnetwork.net/...ource=activity

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Sly

I'm sure they would love to drill the shallow water if oil was still to be had. :-)

It's like hunting, I suppose. Yeh, it would be great if the deer strolled right up in front of you and waited for you to take a shot... but instead you have to wade out into the woods and stand there all damn day hoping one of those guys walks by.

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BFT3K

Let's say you owned a company.

Okay, I'm following you.

And said company had more or less it's 100+ year existance riding on one thing.

One thing? Are you talking about frozen egg rolls?

How far would you go to make it happen?

Make WHAT happen? The egg rolls?

Or let me rephrase that.

Please, I am getting confused....

How far do you think someone who cares about nothing more than money and power go?

Sheesh! That's a tough one! Is the answer 14 miles?

Did I get it right?

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I guess you missed the part where these companies/people have hundred of billions if not trillions in carbon credit derivatives. If they can't get the cap&trade scam sold. They are all broke..

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dyna mo

i'm not sure what you mean by free oil. you had mentioned previously that all the u.s. oil drilled is sold on the international market. those links show that oil from the gulf is primarily used up domestically + we consume more than we drill out. perhaps i am missing the math.

bhutocracy

This is what people who say oil prices will go to $4 a gallon don't understand, aside from there not actually being enough off shore oil to really affect the global supply, it's not as if BP sells their oil any cheaper than the saudi's (on a sweet to sweet, sour to sour basis), the only real benefit is jobs and resource taxes/lease sales... maybe even corporate taxes if you're lucky and the company isn't registered in a tax haven.
If you support drilling offshore to keep the price of gas down then you basically support anything, like CAFE standards.. If Americans drove cars as efficient as Europeans it would have more of an effect on gas prices at the pump than drilling offshore with the added advantage of being better for the environment... personal transport only it would save roughly 900mmbbl a year.. (which is jack all, but so is offshore drilling.)
I fully support heavily regulated offshore drilling, it's just amusing to see people that think it's some kind of magic bullet to energy independence.

BFT3K

Once again - "oil from the gulf is primarily used up domestically" does not mean we are not paying market value for it.

The point being, if it was NOT drilled in the Gulf, we would still have to buy it at market value.

If that is the case, and as you point out - "we consume more than we drill out" how does this help alleviate our dependence on oil?

In other words, the need to drill here in the US, does not equal energy independence at all.

It is just another manipulative talking point.

BFT3K

Wow, it's like you actually stayed on-topic, and followed along with the discussion!

How did you do that?! Everyone else seems to have strayed off...

Seriously, are you a wizard?

dyna mo

weird change in the topic but ok.

bhutocracy

Why would he need to buy votes? I thought the globalists controlled both houses and republicrats are a distraction?

What does cap and trade have to do with an oil spill? Carbon credits have sweet fuck all to do with oil spilling in the gulf. It's like saying Katrina was created by HAARP to push cap and trade.. A reduction in oil drilling and exploration would make BP's carbon credits worth LESS.. Credits are only valuable if companies need them to offset carbon intensive activities... if there is less oil drilling there is less need for them.. supply and demand.

Why would BP put their hand up to rape their own company? If you were half smart.. and I really mean that: You are sitting in you swivel chair at the head of the long table stroking your cat discussing how you're going to spill oil to help an unrelated bill pass that will reduce the value of your carbon credits and one of your NWO henchmen pipes up "Hey, why don't we spin off a legally separated subsidary company to do this? Or even use that 20B GSak is going to raise for us in derivatives to you know.. buy out an existing smaller company and get them to do it.. because uh sir.. it would be cheaper and you know.. we wouldn't be squeezing out a turd on our green brand we've been building to take over the carbon credit market from your last nwo cap and trade forward planning meeting?" would you as Dr. Claw press the button marked "fiery pitspikes" for the trap door under his seat? Fuck a smaller company stepping up.. Their lack of experience would be the perfect excuse for a spill..

BFT3K

I'm going back to page one on this. I thought we were conversing in a linear and chronological manner...

Not really much of a change, but okay...

BFT3K

I KNEW you were a wizard! I called it!

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Buying votes is the easy option.

The oil spill pisses A LOT of people off so they turn their anger towards the elected officials who then say "Hey the people want it, so let's give it to them. We'll tax the air they breathe!" Reverse psychology..


BP was a founding member of US Climate Action Partnership (USCAP). Obama was an original investor of the Chicago climate exchange. Goldman Sachs has their hands in all of the above. All of them are in cahoots.

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dyna mo

there must of been a misunderstanding then, thus my comment that oil drilled in the gulf is purchased and used domestically, regardless of the fact oil is bought and sold internationally, the actual oil stays here, it is not shipped abroad.

BFT3K

Okay, it's all good. We both win! We are great!

dyna mo

sounds good to me, but based on the topic, we all pretty much lose.

Sausage

Ah ok, I was under the impression that some regulation was stopping them drilling closer to land or something and there was still plenty of easily accessed oil in shallow water.

bhutocracy

Yes, the all powerful globalists that control everything use Rube Goldberg machines, it might take 60 tries to get it right but dommit they just have this THING for dominoes*. Ok I take it you don't have a real answer there.

*Note must search egyptian mythology for demonic link to domino-like glyphs.

A non answer, it can't be reverse psychology if it's not the reverse. It's unrelated. Reverse psychology would be to blow up a rig and say "Because of this oil spill we will NOT pass cap and trade." and then (in your ill thought out logic) everyone goes, no, no, we want the opposite - PASS cap and trade! This is illogical nonsense. It hasn't made anyone want cap and trade, it's made people not want to drill, destroy BP and lynch it's CEO, or if they do want to drill, to spend the extra mill or so on safety equipment and regulate all oil companies a lot more, increasing all of their costs.


A non answer. The question was why didnt they do it in even a vaguely half smart manner. I can kill a person to steal their money. I have two options.. I can do it properly and completely get away with it or I can not wear gloves and leave a sticky wad of dna on his forehead. This is what I'm talking about. There are ways to achieve this in a Non RETARDED manner.

I like my conspiracies logical. Scratch that, I like my conspiracies of a standard that renders the conspirators capable of conspiring. It's not enough to tie disparate things together. There are lots of links - You expected one of the biggest oil companies NOT to have ties with one of the biggest financial companies just as a normal aprt of doing business?
Without a sensible logic filter all you do is look at links that conform to your preconceived world view... like an audience member watching a psychic doing cold reading. Anyways, you failed all three simple questions, not very good for a sheep that is supposed to be awake is it? More like the blissful sleep cycles of cognitive dissonance..

If the evil globalist scum that rules the world and is depopulating us with vaccine and chemtrail sterilisation wanted cap and trade they wouldn't be paying half of congress to vote against it and financing the right wing media and fox news to argue against their interests. Although I forgot that cognitive dissonance lets you allow the controlled opposition to not be controlled when facts don't conform to your worldview.. I'm glad you've found something that lets you think you understand the events going on around you though.

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Well atleast you can understand that..

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dyna mo

well, i can understand enough to see that you got owned by bhutocracy so you ignore his comment and divert to trying to insult me.

too bad it's not an insult, there's much i do not understand and i am always open to learning.

The Demon

Then you're on the wrong forum because 99% of the people here are certifiably stupid.

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dyna mo

i couldn't agree more, sometimes i ask myself wtf am i doing here!