No iPhone

[SallyRand]

For me...ever...they track too much data and people talk about Bill Gates!

Read this one! It's scary!

Big Brother, or in this case, The Big Apple is watching you and you don't have to be a crook to be concerned about the security flaws and data collection and retention! Not only can the iPhone track crooks but ordinary citizens as well!

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...e-smartphones/

From the citation:

"Why Smart Crooks Don't Use Smartphones

Smartphones are as popular with police as with consumers. Indeed, forensics experts say they can provide an extensive set of digital finger prints -- and footprints -- telling law enforcement where you've been, when you were there, and who you've been communicating with.
fox news

How does the modern criminal plan out a caper? Not on a cellphone -- if he's smart, that is.

Smartphones can take pictures tagged to a particular location and time, provide turn-by-turn directions, find the closest gas station or the best nearby Italian restaurant, and communicate via voice, texting, e-mail and even videoconferencing.

They can also store all that information, yielding everything the cops need to capture a bad guy.

The iPhone is particularly popular with cops, because it's so popular with consumers.

Forensics experts say that when an iPhone or other smartphone is involved in an investigation, it can provide an extensive set of digital fingerprints -- and digital footprints -- telling law enforcement where you've been, when you were there, and whom you've been communicating with.

"There's plenty of information an iPhone hangs onto," Jonathan Zdziarski, author of iPhone Forensics, told FoxNews.com. "For example, the iPhone takes a screen shot every time you hit the home button, including shots of your e-mail with the time stamped on it."

Such information can be critical in a criminal investigation.

"When someone tells me they have an iPhone in a case, I say, 'Yeah!' I can do tons with an iPhone," Detective Josh Fazio told the Chicago Sun-Times.

It's not difficult to understand law enforcement's enthusiasm for the iPhone. Equipped with GPS, a camera, and a Web browser, it can provide a wealth of data to police trying to track a criminal's movements and actions:

* Mapping software will store locations you've searched or directions you've received.

* The auto correcting typing feature of iPhones actually stores words you've typed, which could potentially be accessed months after a message was sent and deleted.

* Photos taken with the phone can contain information about where, when and with which device the image was captured.

* Web browser information is also often stored, such as reservations the owner has made or sites they have visited.

The iPhone is obviously a major focus in terms of forensic work, given its popularity, but similar vulnerabilities exist with the growing number of Android-based phones on the market, such as the Motorola Droid X, according to Andrew Hoog, chief investigative officer, at viaForensics.

"Many [Android] apps are being rushed to market, and they can have substantial holes," Hoog told FoxNews.com.

Furthermore, some passwords end up being stored as plain text on phones, including corporate e-mail and eBay passwords.

"It's practically impossible for an end user to completely wipe a phone clean," says Hoog.

So if you're not planning to commit a crime, should you worry? Maybe.

Smart phones are rapidly replacing desktop computers as the repository for a wealth of personal information, including banking passwords, personal contact information, text messages, and social-networking pages. Give someone access to your phone and you're giving them access to your life.

Many people are banking on their iPhones, for example. Watch out. Citigroup recently revealed that its mobile-banking application for the iPhone was secretly storing personal information, possibly including account numbers, access codes, and balance information.

"We discovered that our U.S. Citi Mobile iPhone banking app was accidentally saving information related to customer accounts in a hidden file on their iPhones," Citi said in a prepared statement. The company then issued an updated version of the software to correct the problem, but the vulnerability shows that even a bank -- which focuses intently on security -- can leave smartphone users vulnerable.

Do you carefully delete all of that personal data to play it safe? No matter, it still may be accessible to thieves or law enforcement.

"If you delete a file, the message remains on the phone" until the software overwrites it with another piece of data, explained Zdziarski. And that may be a long time. Zdziarski cited cases he's worked on with law enforcement where he recovered messages that had been deleted months before.

Remember, as well, that former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick landed in hot water and eventually jail two years ago because he didn't realize personal text messages were being stored on his SkyTel device. Indeed, even if you're using another carrier or service, your deleted text message may be stored elsewhere.

Typically, AT&T and Verizon keep cellphone text messages for only about 3 days. After that they are deleted from the carriers' computers. However, many companies store text messages longer to meet legal and fiduciary responsibilities. So if you're using a company phone, all your messages may be stored on the company computers.

Zdziarski concedes that iPhones aren't particularly better or worse than other smart phones on the market in terms of the information they store. However, he does have some advice for consumers.

"People need to be aware that that racy picture you took is still going to be on there even after you delete it," he warned. "So figure out what information is valuable to you, and don't put that on your phone."

Follow John R. Quain on Twitter @jqontech or find more tech coverage at J-Q.com."

There is precious little privacy left in this country and the iPhone is not helping!

Sally.

[whoops]

Go watch The Wire.

[Vendzilla]

I remember when my cell phone got stolen out of my jeep about 6 years ago, I called the phone company and they told me that the guy that stole it made some calls from certain locations, they could tell where they had been because of the locations of the cell towers. I called all the phone numbers and was able to find someone I knew and they got my phone back. And that was 6 years ago before built in navigation

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

telling law enforcement where you've been, when you were there, and whom you've been communicating with.

So its ok for webmasters to use... By my desk, all day & night, & other webmasters at GFY

[ottopottomouse]

Phones have always known where they were. You're a bit slow if you didn't realise that.

[Amputate Your Head]

If you think the iPhone is the only thing tracking you, you're incredibly naive.

[pornstar2fag]

so don't do anything illegal.

are you a criminal? if not who fucking cares.

[crazytrini85]

That is why when you kill a Las Vegas hooker you not only dispose of the body but you dispose of your smart phone as well. In different locations of course.

1 location - her torso
1 location - her head
1 location - her hands and teeth
1 location - arms and legs
1 location - her clothes and bag
1 location - her smart phone
1 location - your smart phone

For body parts its best to feed them to pigs. They will eat anything. For electronics, turn them off, smash them up, remove battery and SIM card if it has one, and throw into a deep lake or into the ocean. Not from the shore, take a boat out and drop the parts along the way. This is also a great place to dispose of her hands and teeth.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by crazytrini85

That is why when you kill a Las Vegas hooker you not only dispose of the body but you dispose of your smart phone as well. In different locations of course.

1 location - her torso
1 location - her head
1 location - her hands and teeth
1 location - arms and legs
1 location - her clothes and bag
1 location - her smart phone
1 location - your smart phone

For body parts its best to feed them to pigs. They will eat anything. For electronics, turn them off, smash them up, remove battery and SIM card if it has one, and throw into a deep lake or into the ocean. Not from the shore, take a boat out and drop the parts along the way. This is also a great place to dispose of her hands and teeth.

Leaving something in a location, even an "unknown random" one, means leaving something behind to be found.

Fire is the great cleanser of the universe.

[Flow]

The thing I don't get is why people think they are sooooo important that the Government gives a shit what you are doing (unless of course you are doing illegal stuff then you deserve it). I mean honestly, if we can get the next 9/11 type terrorist off the streets, then go for it!!! (or sex offender or child molester or whatever).

[crazytrini85]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Leaving something in a location, even an "unknown random" one, means leaving something behind to be found.

Fire is the great cleanser of the universe.

You have ashes and bone remnants.

What you leave on those locations is up to you, but unless you have some sort of acid that will completely dispose of the remains, you will always have something to dispose of.

Have you ever smelled a burning body? That shit stinks. But if you can get away with it, burn her to the bones. Some of the softer bones will burn but most wont so you will still have to get rid of those somewhere. You could always grind them into a powder I guess. No way to track that down if you take them somewhere, stand in a manner where the powder does not blow on you, and let it go. That may work.

[crazytrini85]

Originally Posted by Flow

The thing I don't get is why people think they are sooooo important that the Government gives a shit what you are doing (unless of course you are doing illegal stuff then you deserve it). I mean honestly, if we can get the next 9/11 type terrorist off the streets, then go for it!!! (or sex offender or child molester or whatever).

The problem with that is, it won't help them catch anyone who is going to do grave damage. You don't think terrorists know about these security leaks?

Achmed: yo, im bout to crash a plane into the fed build.

Aamir: lolz

Achmed: allah is great.

Aamir: k

Achmed: serious bro

Aamir: iphone not secure. ya dun goofed. tard. lolz

Achmed: camel shit

There is no way to keep the gov from abusing this power, which of course they would in the same manner they abuse all other powers they have.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by crazytrini85

You have ashes and bone remnants.

What you leave on those locations is up to you, but unless you have some sort of acid that will completely dispose of the remains, you will always have something to dispose of.

Have you ever smelled a burning body? That shit stinks. But if you can get away with it, burn her to the bones. Some of the softer bones will burn but most wont so you will still have to get rid of those somewhere. You could always grind them into a powder I guess. No way to track that down if you take them somewhere, stand in a manner where the powder does not blow on you, and let it go. That may work.

Yeah, I have. I burned stacks of Iraqi bodies in pits in 1991.

[potter]

I'm not a criminal, so I don't give a shit.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by crazytrini85

That is why when you kill a Las Vegas hooker you not only dispose of the body but you dispose of your smart phone as well. In different locations of course.

1 location - her torso
1 location - her head
1 location - her hands and teeth
1 location - arms and legs
1 location - her clothes and bag
1 location - her smart phone
1 location - your smart phone

For body parts its best to feed them to pigs. They will eat anything. For electronics, turn them off, smash them up, remove battery and SIM card if it has one, and throw into a deep lake or into the ocean. Not from the shore, take a boat out and drop the parts along the way. This is also a great place to dispose of her hands and teeth.

You still fucked up because you were left with her jewellery which you will later decide to take to a pawnbroker and get caught on his CCTV

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

For me...ever...they track too much data and people talk about Bill Gates!

Read this one! It's scary!

Big Brother, or in this case, The Big Apple is watching you and you don't have to be a crook to be concerned about the security flaws and data collection and retention! Not only can the iPhone track crooks but ordinary citizens as well!

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...e-smartphones/

From the citation:

"Why Smart Crooks Don't Use Smartphones

Smartphones are as popular with police as with consumers. Indeed, forensics experts say they can provide an extensive set of digital finger prints -- and footprints -- telling law enforcement where you've been, when you were there, and who you've been communicating with.
fox news

How does the modern criminal plan out a caper? Not on a cellphone -- if he's smart, that is.

Smartphones can take pictures tagged to a particular location and time, provide turn-by-turn directions, find the closest gas station or the best nearby Italian restaurant, and communicate via voice, texting, e-mail and even videoconferencing.

They can also store all that information, yielding everything the cops need to capture a bad guy.

The iPhone is particularly popular with cops, because it's so popular with consumers.

Forensics experts say that when an iPhone or other smartphone is involved in an investigation, it can provide an extensive set of digital fingerprints -- and digital footprints -- telling law enforcement where you've been, when you were there, and whom you've been communicating with.

"There's plenty of information an iPhone hangs onto," Jonathan Zdziarski, author of iPhone Forensics, told FoxNews.com. "For example, the iPhone takes a screen shot every time you hit the home button, including shots of your e-mail with the time stamped on it."

Such information can be critical in a criminal investigation.

"When someone tells me they have an iPhone in a case, I say, 'Yeah!' I can do tons with an iPhone," Detective Josh Fazio told the Chicago Sun-Times.

It's not difficult to understand law enforcement's enthusiasm for the iPhone. Equipped with GPS, a camera, and a Web browser, it can provide a wealth of data to police trying to track a criminal's movements and actions:

* Mapping software will store locations you've searched or directions you've received.

* The auto correcting typing feature of iPhones actually stores words you've typed, which could potentially be accessed months after a message was sent and deleted.

* Photos taken with the phone can contain information about where, when and with which device the image was captured.

* Web browser information is also often stored, such as reservations the owner has made or sites they have visited.

The iPhone is obviously a major focus in terms of forensic work, given its popularity, but similar vulnerabilities exist with the growing number of Android-based phones on the market, such as the Motorola Droid X, according to Andrew Hoog, chief investigative officer, at viaForensics.

"Many [Android] apps are being rushed to market, and they can have substantial holes," Hoog told FoxNews.com.

Furthermore, some passwords end up being stored as plain text on phones, including corporate e-mail and eBay passwords.

"It's practically impossible for an end user to completely wipe a phone clean," says Hoog.

So if you're not planning to commit a crime, should you worry? Maybe.

Smart phones are rapidly replacing desktop computers as the repository for a wealth of personal information, including banking passwords, personal contact information, text messages, and social-networking pages. Give someone access to your phone and you're giving them access to your life.

Many people are banking on their iPhones, for example. Watch out. Citigroup recently revealed that its mobile-banking application for the iPhone was secretly storing personal information, possibly including account numbers, access codes, and balance information.

"We discovered that our U.S. Citi Mobile iPhone banking app was accidentally saving information related to customer accounts in a hidden file on their iPhones," Citi said in a prepared statement. The company then issued an updated version of the software to correct the problem, but the vulnerability shows that even a bank -- which focuses intently on security -- can leave smartphone users vulnerable.

Do you carefully delete all of that personal data to play it safe? No matter, it still may be accessible to thieves or law enforcement.

"If you delete a file, the message remains on the phone" until the software overwrites it with another piece of data, explained Zdziarski. And that may be a long time. Zdziarski cited cases he's worked on with law enforcement where he recovered messages that had been deleted months before.

Remember, as well, that former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick landed in hot water and eventually jail two years ago because he didn't realize personal text messages were being stored on his SkyTel device. Indeed, even if you're using another carrier or service, your deleted text message may be stored elsewhere.

Typically, AT&T and Verizon keep cellphone text messages for only about 3 days. After that they are deleted from the carriers' computers. However, many companies store text messages longer to meet legal and fiduciary responsibilities. So if you're using a company phone, all your messages may be stored on the company computers.

Zdziarski concedes that iPhones aren't particularly better or worse than other smart phones on the market in terms of the information they store. However, he does have some advice for consumers.

"People need to be aware that that racy picture you took is still going to be on there even after you delete it," he warned. "So figure out what information is valuable to you, and don't put that on your phone."

Follow John R. Quain on Twitter @jqontech or find more tech coverage at J-Q.com."

There is precious little privacy left in this country and the iPhone is not helping!

Sally.

Why go through all this when they can go straight to their twitter account.

Having dinner with friends,
It was so hot today, Washed my car
Tried paying the bills, realized I am broke so I Robbed a Bank in LA near Baja Fresh.

[SallyRand]

"Why worry if you're not doing anything wrong?"

Because the Constitution of The United States of America guarrantees us certain rights, that's why. Yes I know cell phones can be tracked and know quite a bit more about security that you might suppose. An MOS of 35N mean anything to you? How about 35F?

Since none of you "are doing anything wrong", I suppose that none of you would mind if the local law enforcement searched your house, your car and your computers without a warrant just for the Hell of it?

Doubtful.

Sally.