Whats my fault for the charge backs??? - GoFuckYourself.com

DeepDish · 08-14-2010, 01:11 PM

Today my sponsor takes some sales from my account and said that this is from the charge backs... whats my fault about that???
You know how hard is not to make sale, you know how much of work is that... whats my responsibility that some one dont like the website and didnt find what he saw on the free sponsor's tour pages

Please spam me with sponsors that dont take the money back from their webmasters!

Thanks guys!

DBS.US · 08-14-2010, 01:15 PM

So you think you should still get paid when a sponsor get a chargeback?

chronig · 08-14-2010, 01:16 PM

.... idiot

alias · 08-14-2010, 01:16 PM

Here you go DeepDish: DTI Cash

TampaToker · 08-14-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Here you go DeepDish: DTI Cash

Charge Back
If an individual who registered by his credit card have a charge back for some reason, the amount will be deducted for agency's sales amount. This is effective indefinite. However if the total sales amount becomes minus, DTI Services will not bill its loss.

http://www.dticash.com/terms.html

DeepDish · 08-14-2010, 02:06 PM

whats my fault for the CB? if the member is not happy from the members area!

chronig · 08-14-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepDish

whats my fault for the CB? if the member is not happy from the members area!

Just shut up already you ignorant fuck

DeepDish · 08-14-2010, 02:17 PM

Thanks man!

alias · 08-14-2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Charge Back
If an individual who registered by his credit card have a charge back for some reason, the amount will be deducted for agency's sales amount. This is effective indefinite. However if the total sales amount becomes minus, DTI Services will not bill its loss.

http://www.dticash.com/terms.html

No shit, my bad. I know they do vigilant refunds and leave the initial commission. Not trying to mislead.. .

DeepDish · 08-14-2010, 02:19 PM

chronig, suck my dick

BlackCrayon · 08-14-2010, 02:20 PM

just a sign of the times. it never used to happen. thats the whole point of PPS, the sponsor gets the benefits of keeping rebills but must also deal with chargebacks but it seems most don't think it should be that way anymore...

TampaToker · 08-14-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepDish

Today my sponsor takes some sales from my account and said that this is from the charge backs... whats my fault about that???
You know how hard is not to make sale, you know how much of work is that... whats my responsibility that some one dont like the website and didnt find what he saw on the free sponsor's tour pages

Please spam me with sponsors that dont take the money back from their webmasters!

Thanks guys!

You know i see this issue come up a lot. I think the carders are testing card #s on these little guys with no traffic. Any Charge back issues with TeenRev or Realteencash have been with guys that only send a few joins a month. I find it very hard to believe one affiliate can send a shit load of joins and another affiliate with little to near no joins can have such a crazy chargeback ratio while the bigger affiliate has hardly any chargebacks. Its either carders or affiliate fraud one of the two

DeepDish this is a business so treat it like a business. If you really cared about your surfers you would know the sponsor you are pushing on your surfer inside and out.
You didn't do your home work on the sponsor you are sending these surfers to so in all reality the chargeback issue blame falls on YOU! Dont go crying foul now because they took your sales away just use this as a learning experience.

TampaToker · 08-14-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

No shit, my bad. I know they do vigilant refunds and leave the initial commission. Not trying to mislead.. .

And i was not pointing that out to be ass or not saying you were misleading sorry if it came off that way

Adraco · 08-14-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepDish

Today my sponsor takes some sales from my account and said that this is from the charge backs... whats my fault about that???
You know how hard is not to make sale, you know how much of work is that... whats my responsibility that some one dont like the website and didnt find what he saw on the free sponsor's tour pages

Please spam me with sponsors that dont take the money back from their webmasters!

Thanks guys!

Of course not your fault if a member asks his credit card company for a charge back. This is all a simple error. Just email the sponsor back and tell them that this is a mistake and how hard you worked, be exact on the amount of hours per site and per day here, and tell the sponsor exactly how much time and work went into that sale and that you don't deserve this.

They will understand and appreciate your business, since you work so hard for them, and also understand it was wrong to pass the charge back on to you. Just be real polite and explain your situation in detail and you'll see that this will be solved in the best possible way for you.

DeepDish · 08-14-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

You know i see this issue come up a lot. I think the carders are testing card #s on these little guys with no traffic. Any Charge back issues with TeenRev or Realteencash have been with guys that only send a few joins a month. I find it very hard to believe one affiliate can send a shit load of joins and another affiliate with little to near no joins can have such a crazy chargeback ratio while the bigger affiliate has hardly any chargebacks. Its either carders or affiliate fraud one of the two

DeepDish this is a business so treat it like a business. If you really cared about your surfers you would know the sponsor you are pushing on your surfer inside and out.
You didn't do your home work on the sponsor you are sending these surfers to so in all reality the chargeback issue blame falls on YOU! Dont go crying foul now because they took your sales away just use this as a learning experience.

I dont say that I'm big, I can only do 20-30 sales per day, the only thing I will do is to stop promote this sponsor...

alias · 08-14-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

And i was not pointing that out to be ass or not saying you were misleading sorry if it came off that way

No, not at all.

Naechy · 08-14-2010, 02:33 PM

i don`t want to say

TampaToker · 08-14-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepDish

I dont say that I'm big, I can only do 20-30 sales per day, the only thing I will do is to stop promote this sponsor...

But do you understand were i am coming from? In your initial post you stated "whats my responsibility that some one don't like the website and didn't find what he saw on the free sponsor's tour pages"

So you didn't mind sending a surfer to a site that didn't offer what it promised as long as you got paid. But now crying fowl because you got charge back deductions. This is the part that baffles me

DeepDish · 08-14-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

But do you understand were i am coming from? In your initial post you stated "whats my responsibility that some one don't like the website and didn't find what he saw on the free sponsor's tour pages"

So you didn't mind sending a surfer to a site that didn't offer what it promised as long as you got paid. But now crying fowl because you got charge back deductions. This is the part that baffles me

This happend first time with that sponsor, which I promote from 2 weeks, never tought that will get in that problem...
thanks much man!

Adraco · 08-14-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepDish

This happend first time with that sponsor, which I promote from 2 weeks, never tought that will get in that problem...
thanks much man!

Yeah, 2 weeks is a really long time! Man, you really had a history there, a real good relationship and prosperous business to nurish and grow together. But they just fucked you like this, how could they? Didin't they feel the love the two of you had?

roly · 08-14-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

So you think you should still get paid when a sponsor get a chargeback?

errr yes if its pps

Vick! · 08-14-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

Of course not your fault if a member asks his credit card company for a charge back. This is all a simple error. Just email the sponsor back and tell them that this is a mistake and how hard you worked, be exact on the amount of hours per site and per day here, and tell the sponsor exactly how much time and work went into that sale and that you don't deserve this.

Don't be such as ass.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-14-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by roly

errr yes if its pps

Some programs are even starting to charge back PPS.

Which is confusing to me because I thought PPS was based on an avg of all sales, rebills, cross sales and chargebacks

jackknoff · 08-14-2010, 08:53 PM

DeepDish,

What type of audience are you targeting and how are you sending traffic? If you're getting alot of chargebacks you may want to rethink where and how you're advertising your links...

Spanx!
Jack

BJ · 08-14-2010, 08:58 PM

well if you only promoted for 2 weeks and already got a chargeback me thinks that something else is at play here as it normally takes around 45days for a chargeback to reach the merchant.

pornstar2fag · 08-14-2010, 10:01 PM

people are not going to eat your charge backs.

thats the way it is.

pornstar2fag · 08-14-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by roly

errr yes if its pps

AlphaSky · 08-15-2010, 12:29 AM

Unless a reliable 3rd party merchant is controlling the funds, how do you even know if the charge back is legit? What's from preventing a sponsor with his own merchant account from simply removing sales from an affiliate and then saying, "you had a charge back this week, sorry" ......??? Not much money, but if the sponsor does one charge back x 100 affiliates a month, that really ads up to a nice monthly profit.

Dirty Dane · 08-15-2010, 01:13 AM

Is it revenue share or PPS? If revenue share, then it's fair.

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Is it revenue share or PPS? If revenue share, then it's fair.

Its PPS!

roly · 08-15-2010, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

what's funny? are you new to being an affiliate or something?

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky

Unless a reliable 3rd party merchant is controlling the funds, how do you even know if the charge back is legit? What's from preventing a sponsor with his own merchant account from simply removing sales from an affiliate and then saying, "you had a charge back this week, sorry" ......??? Not much money, but if the sponsor does one charge back x 100 affiliates a month, that really ads up to a nice monthly profit.

This is what I mean! They said on their front page $40 Per Sign Up! Why I should care for their charge backs? For partnership program I'm agree about the charge backs, but totally NOT for PPS programs!!!!!!!!

munki · 08-15-2010, 01:29 AM

This is case and point one of the larger current problems with our industry. You can barely string together a sentence in proper English, you have no understanding of chargebacks and their overall effect, and you are bitching about payouts you probably shouldn't have had in the first place being so clueless.

This is why the affiliate model is dieing.

Affiliates seem to have a better than thou outlook on everything. You are basically outside sales reps. If this were any other industry you would've been clipped a long time ago.

rowan · 08-15-2010, 01:48 AM

Chargebacks are frustrating but normally they should be a small percentage of your overall sales (like 1% or less). It's not worth worrying about it.

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 01:57 AM

Terms of service:
The Partnership program with default console option pays you 60% after processing fees (15%). Refunds and chargebacks will be deducted. You will be paid 60% for all membership sales, plus all recurring billing for the duration of each subscription. 15% fees on a 60% share means your payout will be 51% gross.

There is NOTHING about CB's for their PPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jakez · 08-15-2010, 02:00 AM

You said you've been pushing this sponsor for about 2 weeks, if you aren't happy with the profits then move along to another sponsor, simple as that. Although you should give it a bit more time to level out before you come to a conclusion.

Over time if there are a lot of chargebacks then you know there is something up with the members area (it sucks).

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepDish

Terms of service:
The Partnership program with default console option pays you 60% after processing fees (15%). Refunds and chargebacks will be deducted. You will be paid 60% for all membership sales, plus all recurring billing for the duration of each subscription. 15% fees on a 60% share means your payout will be 51% gross.

There is NOTHING about CB's for their PPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok... where is the TOS for the PPS then..?? Obviously they have the same clause for both the revshare and PPS...

Like I said, if the chargeback to join ratio sucks then either their members area sucks or it's your traffic. If you don't have any kind of similiar problem with another sponsor then you know it's the members area.

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 02:10 AM

If they have added terms for their Partnership program, I think they should say the same for PPS...or?

Dirty Dane · 08-15-2010, 02:36 AM

If they chargeback you on PPS, then it's not really PPS program. It's revenue share (share revenue). In fact "less" than revenue share; with real PPS the program only will gain from rebills but pay you only once and they also bear the risk of a loss.

It's not your fault unless you market the website by misleading the surfer.

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

If they chargeback you on PPS, then it's not really PPS program. It's revenue share (share revenue). In fact "less" than revenue share; with real PPS the program only will gain from rebills but pay you only once and they also bear the risk of a loss.

It's not your fault unless you market the website by misleading the surfer.

YEAH!

SpicyM · 08-15-2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepDish

You know how hard is not to make sale

yeah, its very very hard these day not to make sales .. please protect me from making sales

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

yeah, its very very hard these day not to make sales .. please protect me from making sales

VGeorgie · 08-15-2010, 08:31 AM

Where's the beef? A program doesn't know a legit chargeback from a fraudulent affiliate. Of course they're not going to pay on a chargeback from a brand new affiliate. Revshare or PPS has nothing to do with it. In fact, under PPS they're more careful to watch for chargebacks as it could indicate carding by the affiliate.

Really, this is Adult Affiliate 101 stuff here.

Adraco · 08-15-2010, 08:50 AM

I don't have the average or expected number of chargebacks per 100 sales, but let's for the sake of the argument assume it's 2%. The important thing is not the number in itself, rather than it's fairly small.

If a new affiliate comes in, he starts to make a few sales and BAM, here comes the first chargeback. Quite quickly after him joining. Does not look good. And as a free business man, I choose freely who I want to do business with and thus terminate such an account. Both to cut my own losses directly but aslo as a simple security measure, anyone with such high rate of chargeback percentage will not be good business. There's a reason why some big programs have PPS on request only.

Dreamteam · 08-15-2010, 01:43 PM

So when a member is not happy because they stick an extra 2 or 3 unwanted $39.99 cross sales in his ass then it"s ok to blame the affiliate? Cool.

Besides that .... No chargebacks on PPS sales .. plain and simple.

GotGauge · 08-15-2010, 01:52 PM

DeepDish what type of Traffic, are you sending?
Chat?

u-Bob · 08-15-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

So you think you should still get paid when a sponsor get a chargeback?

on revshare: no
on pps: yes

DeepDish · 08-15-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

DeepDish what type of Traffic, are you sending?
Chat?

most of the traffic is from google, but I also have tgp as well!

james_clickmemedia · 08-15-2010, 03:11 PM

wow things must have changed.

If you promote a PPS program then usually the credits & chargebacks ( if any ) are NOT taken out of the affiliates payments. However if you get what a program considers a high amount they are likely to terminate your account or switch you to a rev. share account.

If you promote rev-share then the program usually DOES take out all chargebacks & credits from your account.

Revshare however is not where I would send any traffic too these days, far to risky as the programs generally are run hand to mouth and have no bank roll.

DeepDish · 08-16-2010, 02:09 AM

Yes things has been changed

TeenCat · 08-16-2010, 02:19 AM

man, you know, depends on money, if you make few dollars with them and they took that few back, fuck the sponsor, if you make thousands and they take hundred or two, fuck it and party less today

08-14-2010, 01:11 PM	#1
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	Whats my fault for the charge backs??? Today my sponsor takes some sales from my account and said that this is from the charge backs... whats my fault about that??? You know how hard is not to make sale, you know how much of work is that... whats my responsibility that some one dont like the website and didnt find what he saw on the free sponsor's tour pages Please spam me with sponsors that dont take the money back from their webmasters! Thanks guys!

08-14-2010, 01:15 PM	#2
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08-14-2010, 01:16 PM	#4
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08-14-2010, 02:20 PM	#11
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	just a sign of the times. it never used to happen. thats the whole point of PPS, the sponsor gets the benefits of keeping rebills but must also deal with chargebacks but it seems most don't think it should be that way anymore... __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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08-14-2010, 01:16 PM	#3
chronig Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,653	.... idiot

08-14-2010, 02:06 PM	#6
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	whats my fault for the CB? if the member is not happy from the members area!

08-14-2010, 02:17 PM	#8
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	Thanks man!

08-14-2010, 02:19 PM	#10
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	chronig, suck my dick

08-14-2010, 08:53 PM	#24
jackknoff Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 545	DeepDish, What type of audience are you targeting and how are you sending traffic? If you're getting alot of chargebacks you may want to rethink where and how you're advertising your links... Spanx! Jack

08-14-2010, 08:58 PM	#25
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	well if you only promoted for 2 weeks and already got a chargeback me thinks that something else is at play here as it normally takes around 45days for a chargeback to reach the merchant.

08-14-2010, 10:01 PM	#26
pornstar2fag So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 544	people are not going to eat your charge backs. thats the way it is.

08-15-2010, 12:29 AM	#28
AlphaSky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,013	Unless a reliable 3rd party merchant is controlling the funds, how do you even know if the charge back is legit? What's from preventing a sponsor with his own merchant account from simply removing sales from an affiliate and then saying, "you had a charge back this week, sorry" ......??? Not much money, but if the sponsor does one charge back x 100 affiliates a month, that really ads up to a nice monthly profit.

08-15-2010, 01:13 AM	#29
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Is it revenue share or PPS? If revenue share, then it's fair.

08-15-2010, 01:29 AM	#33
munki Do Fun Shit. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OC Posts: 13,393	This is case and point one of the larger current problems with our industry. You can barely string together a sentence in proper English, you have no understanding of chargebacks and their overall effect, and you are bitching about payouts you probably shouldn't have had in the first place being so clueless. This is why the affiliate model is dieing. Affiliates seem to have a better than thou outlook on everything. You are basically outside sales reps. If this were any other industry you would've been clipped a long time ago. __________________ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

08-15-2010, 01:48 AM	#34
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Chargebacks are frustrating but normally they should be a small percentage of your overall sales (like 1% or less). It's not worth worrying about it.

08-15-2010, 01:57 AM	#35
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	Terms of service: The Partnership program with default console option pays you 60% after processing fees (15%). Refunds and chargebacks will be deducted. You will be paid 60% for all membership sales, plus all recurring billing for the duration of each subscription. 15% fees on a 60% share means your payout will be 51% gross. There is NOTHING about CB's for their PPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-15-2010, 02:10 AM	#37
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	If they have added terms for their Partnership program, I think they should say the same for PPS...or?

08-15-2010, 02:36 AM	#38
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	If they chargeback you on PPS, then it's not really PPS program. It's revenue share (share revenue). In fact "less" than revenue share; with real PPS the program only will gain from rebills but pay you only once and they also bear the risk of a loss. It's not your fault unless you market the website by misleading the surfer.

08-15-2010, 08:31 AM	#42
VGeorgie Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 359	Where's the beef? A program doesn't know a legit chargeback from a fraudulent affiliate. Of course they're not going to pay on a chargeback from a brand new affiliate. Revshare or PPS has nothing to do with it. In fact, under PPS they're more careful to watch for chargebacks as it could indicate carding by the affiliate. Really, this is Adult Affiliate 101 stuff here.

08-15-2010, 08:50 AM	#43
Adraco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Onboard an airplane around the globe Posts: 3,734	I don't have the average or expected number of chargebacks per 100 sales, but let's for the sake of the argument assume it's 2%. The important thing is not the number in itself, rather than it's fairly small. If a new affiliate comes in, he starts to make a few sales and BAM, here comes the first chargeback. Quite quickly after him joining. Does not look good. And as a free business man, I choose freely who I want to do business with and thus terminate such an account. Both to cut my own losses directly but aslo as a simple security measure, anyone with such high rate of chargeback percentage will not be good business. There's a reason why some big programs have PPS on request only. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is not affected by the beliefs, or doubts, of the majority.

08-15-2010, 01:43 PM	#44
Dreamteam Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 472	So when a member is not happy because they stick an extra 2 or 3 unwanted $39.99 cross sales in his ass then it"s ok to blame the affiliate? Cool. Besides that .... No chargebacks on PPS sales .. plain and simple.

08-15-2010, 01:52 PM	#45
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	DeepDish what type of Traffic, are you sending? Chat? __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

08-15-2010, 03:11 PM	#48
james_clickmemedia Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Texas / London Posts: 2,204	wow things must have changed. If you promote a PPS program then usually the credits & chargebacks ( if any ) are NOT taken out of the affiliates payments. However if you get what a program considers a high amount they are likely to terminate your account or switch you to a rev. share account. If you promote rev-share then the program usually DOES take out all chargebacks & credits from your account. Revshare however is not where I would send any traffic too these days, far to risky as the programs generally are run hand to mouth and have no bank roll. __________________ $ CLICKMEMEDIA.COM $ CONVERTING ETHNIC TRAFFIC SINCE 1998 ~ $30+PPS BLACK-X.COM - NEW BLACK EX-GF SITE CLICKMEMEDIA.COM ~ ICQ - 8788771

08-16-2010, 02:09 AM	#49
DeepDish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 323	Yes things has been changed

08-16-2010, 02:19 AM	#50
TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 16,139	man, you know, depends on money, if you make few dollars with them and they took that few back, fuck the sponsor, if you make thousands and they take hundred or two, fuck it and party less today __________________ 6bot / Coming again very soon! Svit Zlin Radio 24/7!